The official government and media conspiracy theory says that American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked by 5 fanatical Islamic terrorists on 9/11, and flown into the Pentagon, killing all 64 people on board along with 125 people in the Pentagon. From Wikipedia:
American Airlines Flight 77 was American Airlines' morning, daily scheduled transcontinental flight, from Washington Dulles International Airport, in Dulles, Virginia to Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles, California. On September 11, 2001, the aircraft flying this route—a Boeing 757-223—was hijacked by five al-Qaeda terrorists and deliberately crashed into the Pentagon, as part of the September 11 attacks.
Less than 35 minutes into the flight, the hijackers stormed the cockpit and forced the passengers to the rear of the aircraft. Hani Hanjour, one of the hijackers who was trained as a pilot, assumed control of the flight. Unknown to the hijackers, passengers aboard were able to make telephone calls to loved ones and relay information on the hijacking.
The aircraft crashed into the western side of the Pentagon at 09:37 EDT. All 64 people on board the aircraft, including the hijackers, were killed, as were 125 people in the building. Dozens of people witnessed the crash and news sources began reporting on the incident within minutes. The impact severely damaged an area of the Pentagon and ignited a large fire. A portion of the Pentagon collapsed; firefighters spent days trying to fully extinguish the blaze. The damaged sections of the Pentagon were rebuilt in 2002, with occupants moving back into the completed areas on August 15, 2002.
The 184 victims of the attack are memorialized in the Pentagon Memorial adjacent to the Pentagon. The 1.93-acre (7,800 m2) park contains a bench for each of the victims, arranged according to their year of birth, ranging from 1930 (aged 71) to 1998 (aged 3).
Upon further investigation, there is no evidence to support any of these claims. For starters, let's have a listen to what CNN Pentagon correspondent Jamie McIntyre had to say about what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11:
From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.
The only site, is the actual side of the building that's crashed in. And as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse.
Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed, that didn't happen immediately. It wasn't until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed.
After the U.S. Justice Department released the rather pathetic photos supposedly showing Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, Jamie McIntrye had a change of heart:
McIntrye's rather Orwellian about face should not surprise anyone. 9/11 was a hectic day, and not everyone had their script in front of them, including McIntyre. After all, it's been common knowledge for years
Criminal elements of the media clearly were and remain involved in the 9/11 deception and cover up.
In Enver Masud's "Pentagon Transcripts, Official Records Belie 56;The 9/11 Commission Report'," we learn:
I live less than a mile from the Pentagon, and began examining this issue in early 2002. The first question I asked when I looked at the Pentagon shortly after that tragic day in 2001 was, “where’s the plane?”
I began to suspect the official account of 9/11 when I learned that the U.S. war on Afghanistan was apparently planned prior to September 11, and possibly after U.S. negotiations with the Taliban for a pipeline broke down.
According to the BBC (September 18, 2001), Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. [...]
Writing in “9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out,” Kwiatowski noted, “a strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense, who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a ‘missile’.”
Pentagon employee April Gallop, whose “desk was roughly 40 feet from the point where the plane allegedly hit the outside wall” stated in a sworn complaint (before the U.S. District Court Southern District of New York):
“As she sat down to work there was an explosion, then another; walls collapsed and the ceiling fell in. Hit in the head, she was able to grab the baby and make her way towards the daylight showing through a blasted opening in the outside wall. There was no airplane wreckage and no burning airplane fuel anywhere; only rubble and dust.”
Barbara Honegger, military affairs journalist, reported in her personal capacity that a pilot sent by Gen Larry Arnold (NORAD) “reported back that there was no evidence that a plane had hit the building.” She added, “Multiple standard-issue, battery-operated wall clocks . . . stopped between 9:31 and 9:32-1/2 on September 11.” [...]
Masud emphasizes the importance of the September 12th and September 15th, 2001 Pentagon news briefings, and what they revealed:
At the September 12, 2001, Dept. of Defense (DoD) News Briefing by Assistant Secretary of Defense, Victoria Clarke, Ed Plaugher (fire chief of Arlington County), and others, “American Airlines”, “Flight 7783;, “Boeing 75783; were not even mentioned.
How significant is this?
With the world’s news media assembled at the Pentagon on the day after the alleged attack on the Pentagon by Arab hijackers flying American Airlines Flight 77 — a Boeing 757 — “American Airlines”, “Flight 7783;, “Boeing 75783; were not considered important enough to mention at the Pentagon News Briefing the day after the alleged attack!
Fire chief Ed Plaugher was asked by a reporter, “Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?” Plaugherresponded, “there are some small pieces of aircraft … there’s no fuselage sections and that sort of thing.”
When asked, “Chief, there are small pieces of the plane virtually all over, out over the highway, tiny pieces. Would you say the plane exploded, virtually exploded on impact due to the fuel”, Plaugher responded “You know, I’d rather not comment on that.” [...]
At the September 15, 2001, Dept. of Defense (DoD) News Briefing by Mr. Lee Evey, Pentagon Renovation Manager, Rear Adm. Craig R. Quigley, deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Public Affairs, and others, it was apparent that there were lingering doubts about what had struck the Pentagon on September 11.
When Mr. Evey said, “the nose of the aircraft broke through this innermost wall of C Ring”, a reporter asked, “One thing that’s confusing — if it came in the way you described, at an angle, why then are not the wings outside? I mean, the wings would have shorn off. The tail would have shorn off. And yet there’s apparently no evidence of the aircraft outside the E Ring.” Evey replied, “Actually, there’s considerable evidence of the aircraft outside the E Ring. It’s just not very visible.”
Apparently, no one asked how “the nose of the aircraft” (a relatively weak component of the aircraft) remained sufficiently intact to penetrate the C Ring — the E Ring is the outermost ring.
Dr. James Fetzer has explained in detail the fact that a Boeing 757, even piloted by an experienced and well-trained pilot (which was not the case with Hani Hanjour, the alleged Arab hijacker that flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon), could not possibly perform the feats described by the official government conspiracy theory:
The probability that a real Boeing 757 could have hit the Pentagon and not left debris from its wings and tail or even its engines-not to mention bodies, seats, and luggage-is zero. The probability that the alleged trajectory could have been flown in violation of the laws of aerodynamics is even less than zero-since violations of these laws is not physically possible. The probability that the trajectory, if it were possible, could have left a smooth, green, unblemished lawn is zero. The probability that debris would have been planted or that smoke would have been simulated, had this event involved the crash of a real Boeing 757, is likewise extremely low. That all of these things would have occurred if the alleged impact were contrived, however, is very high. Indeed, it is difficult to imagine any reasonable alternative. [...]
The conclusion that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon appears to have been established beyond a reasonable doubt.
It's been conclusively proven that in-flight phone calls were impossible in 2001. Why did Ted make up this story? Or, who told him to tell these lies? Where is Barbara now? Is it apparent to you by now that the media is a major part of the crime gang that pulled off 9/11? Are you aware that Zionist Jews with a particular agenda own most of the major corporate media and entertainment productions in this country?
Are those incapable of contemplating the fact that the "hijackings", planes, videos, and many of the victims on 9/11 were a major fraud, just like the rest of the official government conspiracy theory? It seems rather obvious to me that this is indeed the case.
We still don't know exactly what happened on 9/11, so it would be wise to keep an open mind about everything.
i think it's good thing if you steer the thread off onto a completely irrelevant direction.
the more iganorance, the more confusion, the more likely that people who know what they want will get what they want.
i got to say that you're the idiot sho supposedly believes in chemtrails, so you're an outcast from the getgo.
the thing that is so pathetic is ron paul, who is so desperate for media outlets that he panders to the chemtrail/abiotoic oil guru, alex jones.
although appaently, in a bid for respectability, alex jones has abanodoned chemtrails and abiotic oil, much to the consternation of his braindead worshippers.
Dozens of people saw the plane hit. Of course, all are lying, right?
They saw SOMETHING hit, MAYBE, but then again, there are TWO sets of witnesses. One group saw what appeared to be an airliner approach from a northwest direction, and another group saw something approach from a southwest direction.
It's QUITE possible that an airliner DID approach from the northwest, BUT, it flew over the Pentagon at precisely the same time as a missile impacted from the southwest.
That, and there are some serious questions about some of the "eyewitness reports", where some stated they saw the wingtips "scrape the lawn" and such yet not only would the aircraft had tumbled and disintegrated on the lawn if that had happened, there were NO scrapes or gouges in the lawn after the impact.
What happened, did the lawn magically repair itself?
So anyways, where are all those videos Turtle? Why are they still being withheld from the public? You SHOULD know that if ANY of those videos showed a plane hitting the Pentagon, they would have been playing it 24/7 for weeks or months after the tragedy, just like they did with the WTC videos.
What it comes down to is that it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for a 757 to have flown into the ground floor of the Pentagon at over 500 mph. That is beyond debate, as the Laws of Physics do not bend just because you want to believe the government.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
i think it's good thing if you steer the thread off onto a completely irrelevant direction.
That's it, do the deed then blame your victim. You are a piece of work, whoever you are.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I don't know if anything actually hit it. It could have been just a some bombs that went off to make it look like something hit it. That would have been the easiest and surest way of doing it. There was a plane in the vicinity reported by multiple witnesses, but I think it was there only so people would confuse it with the explosion thinking it was the cause of it.
BTW: shills and flamers and disruptors often do us a service in that they force posters on one side of an issue to dig for facts, credible opinion, and documented support for arguments and contentions that they might not otherwise have felt constrained to unearth and present.
Yep. BeAChooser forced me to do a LOT of research into the events of 9/11, where much of what I found out I found by being instigated into doing so.
Just like shills over at FreeRepublic forced me to look into the OKC bombing more skeptically, and the TWA 800 tragedy as well. There was voluminious amounts of evidence that the "approved" story was pure BS, and indications are that in each case, the US goverment not only covered up the truth, but were actually behind the events themselves.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
the most pathetic thing is ron paul, who is so desperate for media outlets that he panders to the chemtrail/abiotoic oil guru, alex jones.
although apparently, in a bid for respectability, alex jones has abandoned chemtrails and abiotic oil, much to the consternation of his braindead worshippers.
It is YOU who is irrelevant here. You have nothing to add really, you're just trying to tear me down so that it becomes less obvious to casual readers that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a 757 to perform as the aircraft did which impacted the Pentagon, no matter WHO was flying it.
And if you are who I think you are, you have a bit of nerve to say MY record here is "not so pretty good".
So what are you, an Internet stalker who likes to hound certain individuals he selects at random, or is it more personal than that?
C'mon brave man, tell us your last handle here on this forum.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
the most pathetic thing is ron paul, who is so desperate for media outlets that he panders to the chemtrail/abiotoic oil guru, alex jones.
Ah, so you're a Sarah Palin fan, or is it now Rick Perry?
Maybe you're a closet Obama worshipper, eh?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
you dont know if it's impossible for a 757 to hit the pentagon, because nobody's ever tried it.
you have a record of being an idiot.
what are we supposed to think? ...that you've, all of a sudden grown a brain?
is your supposed expertise in 757 aeorodynaics supposed to give you some boost in status, even though 757 aerodynamics are compeletely irrelevant when it comes to the pentagon, seeing as how it was most likely a missile that hit the pentagon?
i'd bet that an experienced 757 pilot could hit the same exact spot on the pentagon, without scraping wingtips, engine cowlings, or anything else.
They might possibly be able to hit the same spot, but not at the same angle and not with the same relatively small hole being left in the Pentagon afterwords.
I don't know if anything actually hit it. It could have been just a some bombs that went off to make it look like something hit it. That would have been the easiest and surest way of doing it.
You have to look at how the missile penetrated the various rings, much like how a shaped charge would cause with the energy of a missile behind it.
The Pentagon also had to have SOME sort of exterior damage for the public to swallow the lie, and if it had been a simple explosion there would have been enough telltale signs indicating that is what it was. Remember, even the US military was expected to believe the story, and they are quite familiar with explosives.
After the WTC impacts, and with the confusion of the day, a missile painted like an AA airliner may very well have been seen as an actual airliner in the fog of the moment.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
They might possibly be able to hit the same spot, but not at the same angle and not with the same relatively small hole being left in the Pentagon afterwords.
We don't know a lot of damned things because our government and its agents are keeping forensic and physical evidence locked away out of sight and out of reach of independent investigators.
WHEN THE OFFICIALDOM MAKES ALL THE VIDEO TAPES AND THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF WHATEVER CRASHED IN TO PENTAGON AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION WE WILL ALL STFU.
you dont know if it's impossible for a 757 to hit the pentagon, because nobody's ever tried it.
So since I've never tried to fly by jumping off a tall building and flapping my arms, I don't KNOW if I'll crash into the ground or not, eh? Maybe YOU don't know what would happen, but I'd take a wild guess and say MOST people would.
you have a record of being an idiot.
Based on what asshole? Your word? You've been here for two weeks and you think you know people's "record" here? Screw off.
what are we supposed to think? ...that you've, all of a sudden grown a brain?
Well if you're buckeroo, we all know that you never had one to begin with. If you're not, you're probably his inbred cousin or something.
is your supposed expertise in 757 aeorodynaics supposed to give you some boost in status, even though 757 aerodynamics are compeletely irrelevant when it comes to the pentagon, seeing as how it was most likely a missile that hit the pentagon?
How can you say it was a missile when you still cling to the idea it is POSSIBLE for a 757 to have flown into the building and done the damage that was observed? I don't claim any special expertise on any specific aircraft, I simply repeat KNOWN SCIENTIFIC FACTS which eliminate pretty much ANY large airliner as the aircraft which flew into the Pentagon. That said, it proves that Flight 77 did NOT hit the Pentagon that day, so the government is LYING, and many people have died as a result of that lie.
You are not here to discuss, you are here to stifle and disrupt, that much is obvious. That you CLAIM to be interested in the matter yet ridicule the messenger carrying the message of what did NOT occur that day, indicates you are part of problem.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
How can you say it was a missile when you still cling to the idea it is POSSIBLE for a 757 to have flown into the building
i can say it's possible because it's probably possible...although nobody but the government says it's been done.
in the meantime, it's perfectly obvious that you're beating a dead horse, because the government conspiracy theory is so out of whack that your theory is rrrelevant.
i can say it's possible because it's probably possible...although nobody but the government says it's been done.
No, it is not probable, it is HIGHLY improbable. Scientifically, it is impossible.
Show me a large airliner fly less than say 40 feet off the ground at 500 mph, then I might consider it possible. Till then, with science as my guide, I say it's not only highly improbable, it is impossible.
That's besides the fact the supposed pilot MOST LIKELY couldn't even fly into the Pentagon with a Cessna, never mind a 757.
in the meantime, it's perfectly obvious that you're beating a dead horse, and the official conspiracy theory is so out of whack that your theory is rrrelevant.
I began by simply defending my analysis, and ended up having to defend my SELF against YOU.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
According to April Gallop she saw no plane or missile but she did smell cordite and knew the smell of it from her training in the military.
I'm pretty sure they had some "insurance" that things went well for them, at minimum destroying the investigative records concerning that missing 2 trillion dollars. That they pulled the show off without a hitch was just an added benny for them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I'm out of here for now. I think we all agree 19 Arabs didn't do 9/11 and that it was a false flag to benefit Israel. I am not going to be quiet about this with those that still think it was 19 Muslims that attacked us anymore. I am through suffering quietly around idiots.
you dont know if it's impossible for a 757 to hit the pentagon, because nobody's ever tried it.
http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623
Former Vietnam Combat and Commercial Pilot Firm Believer 9/11 Was Inside Government Job Posted on: 7/17/2005 7:54:00 AM - Columnist By Greg Szymanski
There was no fooling former Air Force and commercial pilot Russ Wittenberg the morning of 9/11. He knew it was an inside job from the get-go, knowing the ‘big boys’ were up to the same dirty tricks they played in the Kennedy assassination and Pearl Harbor.
The government may have fooled millions of Americans with its cockamamie official story, but the former fighter pilot who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam and who sat for 35 years in the cockpit for Pan Am and United, wasn’t one of them.
Now, almost four years later, Wittenberg is still shaking his head in disbelief more than ever, saying the country he loved and fought so bravely 40 years ago has fallen in the deep, dark and sinister hands of fascist leaders who are quickly turning America into a military state.
Wittenberg claimed the high speed maneuver would have surely stalled the jetliner sending it into a nose dive, adding it was “totally impossible for an amateur who couldn’t even fly a Cessna to maneuver the jetliner in such a highly professional manner, something Wittenberg said he couldn’t do with 35 years of commercial jetliner experience.
Wittenberg said he couldn’t do with 35 years of commercial jetliner experience.
yeah, well...
it's hard to say what wittenberg would have been capable of had he had a few hours of training in extreme low level flying with his autopilot coupled to GPS and a radar altimeter.
the fact remains: there's too many holes in th eofficial story.
Who was Killed in the 9/11/01 Attack on the Pentagon
Whereas victims of the World Trade Center attack were identified by civilian authorities, victims of the attack on the Pentagon (like those of the crash of Flight 93) were identified by military authorities. The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology issued a report in November of 2001 claiming to have identified 184 of 189 persons killed in the Pentagon attack. 1
Since there were five alleged hijackers of Flight 77, whom authorities did not identify since they lacked DNA samples from the families, that 184 identifications accounts for the 125 people killed inside the Pentagon, and the 54 people other than the hijackers on board the aricraft.
The following map of the locations of victims in the attack was released as part of prosecution exhibits in the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. 2
An office of the Army that had just re-occupied the Pentagon's recently renovated Wedge One, named Resource Services Washington, lost 34 of its 45 employees. Most were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. 3 Defense Secretary Rumsfeld had announced on the eve of the attack that more than $2 trillion was missing from the Pentagon.
you dont know that, i dont know that, nobody knows that, as far as i know, because nobody's tried it.
But aeronautical engineers DO know that and have reported on it. And that's besides the simple fact that planes climb when they accelerate, UNLESS the nose is pointed down.
IF the nose had been pointed down, traveling at 500 mph at tree top level, with approximately 500 feet between the initiation of descent and the time of impact, isn't it obvious to you that the plane would have hit the ground nose first and NOT have flown through the wall? Pulling the nose up too soon and it would have hit towards the roof; pulling it up too late and it would have crashed into the lawn. But even if the nose were pulled up at the exact right time, to get down to the altitude it HAD to have been at for it to enter the Pentagon as it did would cause it to bounce its engines off the ground due to the inertia of the descent, and the plane would have exploded on the lawn.
That's IF it could even get that low due to ground effect. A DIVE would overcome the ground effect of course, but a dive would have resulted in an impact from above, and this impact was level AND just several feet off the ground (considering the vertical height of the plane with its engines).
I'm still sticking with the fact it WOULD have been impossible for even the best pilot in the world to have pulled it off as claimed, never mind some idiot who really couldn't fly at all.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
it's hard to say what wittenberg would have been capable of had he had a few hours of training in extreme low level flying with his autopilot coupled to GPS and a radar altimeter.
Autopilot would not allow such a manuever, and besides that, according to the NTSB, it had been turned off WELL before the plane got to DC.
Autopilot holds a plane on course and at the proper altitude while cruising, it does not allow for the Flight Management Computer to be set to crash the plane into an object on the ground.
Besides, Hanjour didn't have the necessary skill or training to work the Flight Management Computer on a 757 to begin with.
So it is STILL impossible for it to have happened that way.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
i'd bet that an experienced 757 pilot could hit the same exact spot on the pentagon, without scraping wingtips, engine cowlings, or anything else.
Check out Pilots for 911 Truth and you will find that there are some very senior pilots questioning whether that it is possible at all for a 757 to do it once.
Interesting discussion on the Pilots for 911 Truth Forum here.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Shoonra: The wings of the jet lopped off the tops of some street lamps as it approached the Pentagon
Jump to Original_Intent's post at #112: Interesting discussion on the Pilots for 911 Truth Forum here.
Interesting comment there on Page 1:
If these wings were to hit light poles I don't think it would have done them the world of good at all. In fact it would have converted the aircraft 'more into a shorter winged projectile' for the last part of it's journey, before smacking into things in front of the wall.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
If these wings were to hit light poles I don't think it would have done them the world of good at all.
In fact it would have converted the aircraft 'more into a shorter winged projectile' for the last part of it's journey...
speaking as a helicopter pilot who's mowed down acres of trees, through ineptitude, overenthusiasm, or necessity, i think the "pilot" who made that comment needs to look into the construction of airliner wings vs light poles.
you try not to hit trees, and you never hit big trees or big branches...
it's embarrassing to come taxiing back on the flight line, and the damaged tip caps are making that unmistakeable "whoosh, whoosh, whoosh" sound... everybody piles out of the line shack to see who's made a fool of himself.
on the other hand, when you're training, sometimes it's better to keep your hands off the controls, hoping that the student pilot has judgement enough to pull it off...
when he doesnt, that's the breaks, but he learns a couple things: first, maybe his judgement isnt as good as he thought it was, and second, he cant rely on somebody else to bail him out.
i figured that the learning experience for the students was worth the ridicule.
on yet another hand, that philosophy may have backfired, because a disproportionate amount of my students seem to have bought the farm in vietnam.
speaking as a helicopter pilot who's mowed down acres of trees, through ineptitude, overenthusiasm, or necessity, i think the "pilot" who made that comment needs to look into the construction of airliner wings vs light poles.
And the helos were undamaged and as flight-stable as before? You can probably agree that fixed wing aircraft and helo rotor blades act differently. We're not talking about the jet wings shearing off tree branches or trunks with some flex to them. We're talking about the wing's metal impacting immobile metal objects at very high speed. Suppose your helo blades had jammed and they hit lamp posts as the aircraft was moving forward, even at a much lower speed. Might the blades have broken off or been mangled so as to make continued flight erratic or improbable?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
you got to screw up really bad to damage the aerodynamic properties of a rotor blade... the saving grace being, unless the trees are horrendously tall, you're close enough to the ground to survive the crash.
wings and rotor blades have to survive wind forces approaching or exceeding the speed of sound... light poles dont.
i dont know how much rotor blade you'd have to lose to put the rotor system so far out of balance that the lelicopter would shake itself to pieces, but, after observing the mechanics' efforts to balance and track rotor systems, i'd guess it would be a matter of inches, maybe less.
Do you think the wings of a plane could fly through a lamp post cemented in the ground and the aircraft not crash right there or go careening wildly off its flight path?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
light poles are designed to snap off on impact... the cement on the ground has nothing to do with it.
it's a matter of design... wings are designed to withstand 600 mph winds, light poles arent... they're designed to snap off when hit by a drunk on a bicycle.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
