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Title: Bride who shot husband 'thought it was a blank'
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URL Source: http://www.thelocal.ch/1261/20110922/
Published: Sep 24, 2011
Author: Tanya Hogan
Post Date: 2011-09-24 08:29:52 by Tatarewicz
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A newlywed Swiss woman from Basel who killed her husband in a tragic gun accident in March has been convicted of involuntary manslaughter but will not serve a prison sentence. 32-year old “Nadia N“ was handed a nine-month suspended sentence by Basel Criminal Court on Wednesday, Blick newspaper reported. The woman cried as she told the court the accident happened while playing with her husband Victor’s gun at their home in the Gundeli area, south of Basel city centre, on Sunday March 20th. She explained she did not know it was loaded. Although they first met in 1996, the home care assistant and her musician husband did not marry until the beginning of March 2011. The tragedy occurred in their house two weeks later while their 13-year old son was staying with a friend. Her husband was always handling his gun, the woman told the court. Even on the day before the deadly shot was fired, he polished his weapon while sitting in front of the TV and smoking a joint. Nadia N. told her husband she wanted to fetch the family register from the safe. Victor’s gun, a Glock 17-caliber 9x19mm automatic, was also locked up there. “As I opened the safe, he called saying he wanted the gun,“ she said. “I wanted to pretend I wasn’t afraid.“ Play-acting, she told the court she held the gun to her 35-year old husband’s temple. “Hands up“, she joked. Her husband, not believing the gun to be loaded, urged her to pull the trigger. When she eventually did, the gun went off and her husband slumped to the floor. She called an ambulance but he was dead before it arrived. She was held in police custody for two nights but investigators soon came to conclusion that her husband may have loaded the gun with a real bullet rather than a blank while under the influence of marijuana. The judge found Nadia N. guilty of involuntary manslaughter, but reasoned that "the consequences of what happened are so heavy that an exemption of punishment is justified.“
Besides what's reported it seems pretty stupid to mix blanks and shells in a single gun.
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#4. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
Firing a gun right at the head at zero range could be fatal even if it was loaded with a blank round.
Who in their right mind would load a Glock with blanks in the first place? It sure as hell wouldn't do any good against an armed intruder. Besides, even if it was a blank, it still would have blasted a hole if the barrel was placed right up against the temple. Sounds to me that either he forgot he had left a round in the chamber, or the wife put one in herself. Maybe he didn't "urge her to pull the trigger" as she claims, and she decided that she was going to do him in. Who knows. But then again, even our "heroes" sometimes forget that their guns are loaded...
He's da only one who is professional enough to play wid dat Glock up in dere! And don't you forget it either.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I always get a chuckle out of that...
This is why God made snap-caps.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson I thought I would fall out of my chair laughing at that big dummy the first time I ever saw that. Very next thing after he tells the kids what a professional he is, he shoots himself. You can't make that $#it up!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
You'd think he'd at least have the sense to end the presentation after he shot himself and walk off with a least a grain a dignity. Oh no, he wants to hold an AK-47 for the class afterwards, till the kids tell him "NO, put it down". I think the guy had to quit the DEA, he was the butt of so many jokes he couldn't work there anymore. Then again maybe he was sampling too much of the evidence, maybe THAT'S what happened that day... LOL
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
That's if she's even telling the truth about that part of her story. It's just her word, he can't give his side of the story any longer.
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When I was a kid I shot a friend with a .177 caliber. Fortunately, he survived.
"Terrorism is when the innocent are murdered due to the evil actions of the guilty." -- Turtle
Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed years ago when the wad that holds the powder charge in a .44 magnum blank entered his brain after he held the gun to his head and fired. Sadly the gun room people and prop masters failed to warn the actor that at point blank range the blank charge was dangerous.
It would make more sense written this way: A Model 17 Glock-caliber 9x19mm automatic.... And Remington loads a .17 cal rifle cartridge (a necked down .223) with velocities in the 4,000 fps range. It's a fine crow rifle out to about 200 yards. (They claim it's a 500 yard cartridge but that's a dream. When shooting a bullet that resembles a hypodermic needle its ballistics are very poor beyond 200 yards) NYPD SWAT considered their use as tactical rifles which made sense when you consider that the average SWAT kill is at a range of 75 feet.
I've handled the .17, but I've never tried one out. Don't do any varmint hunting, so I don't have much use for one. Never seen a "Glock 17-caliber" though. Just shows you where these pencil necks are when they write about these sorts of topics. I'd hate to be in the same room if someone were to hand them a weapon. I'd just back out the door kind of slow.
Those kids had sense enough to understand that that guy was not the professional he told them he was. If he had been he wouldn't have shot himself with an "unloaded gun."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
In military jargon the word "caliber" precedes the actual designation of "9X19mm". It's not really all that confusing for folks who are accustomed to reading such gibberish. And the "17" had no decimal point before it or "mm" stamp after it so, it was clearly not the caliber of the weapon. I know you're joking but....
I think the guy had to quit the DEA, he was the butt of so many jokes he couldn't work there anymore. Then again maybe he was sampling too much of the evidence, maybe THAT'S what happened that day... LOL Actually it was an AR15 or M16 he asked for after the shooting. And he sued the DEA for releasing the tape and exposing him to ridicule. In his suit he claimed that he was "one of the best if not THE BEST undercover agent in the DEA". Do you believe that? Even after leg shooting himself his arrogance was undiminished.
One shudders to think of the implications of that!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Yeah, what if it's true?
Yes, you are right about the designators. I believe that I misread the ID due to the perhaps misplaced hyphen. Anywho, it's fitting that this cockup was committed with a plastic gun. Just like the cars they make today, they all look like they were squirted out of a toy factory. If I were writing fiction featuring a little intramarital gunplay, I'd choose man's gun like a Webley or a Nagant or at least a Colt Commander.
I've got a Remington 700 chambered for the .17 Remington cartridge, it's my most accurate rifle. Kills coyotes DEAD, my longest shot while hunting was only 72 paces, the longest I've shot it is 100-yds at a rifle range. It's also the most fun to shoot since it has the recoil of a .22 Long Rifle cartridge. I let new shooters shoot it because they won't flinch due to the low/non-existent recoil.
Have you tried it on feral hogs up there?
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson No, and I've already passed on some big ones when I was out coyote hunting: I was afraid that I would piss-off a +/- 400-lb boar and there weren't any tree's close by for me to climb up :-o
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson The .17 air rifle appears to get the job done. You also saw him dancing with that hog?? He was lucky that he emerged with his legs intact. When I encountered about 4 huge tusker's, I was by myself and feeling very isolated with no tree's around, the group I was facing decided to run away, thankfully.
I'd probably fired one into the ground, and prayed that they left the scene. They are not the smartest creatures on the planet. Smarter than congress, but still, not all that smart.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson A .44, especially a magnum, is a hellava lot more powerful than a .17 caliber. I was going to amend my post saying a .17 blank might not be too bad. But I'm not inclined to do any experimentation.
Not on your own dome, anyway.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson If I were writing fiction featuring a little intramarital gunplay, I'd choose man's gun like a Webley or a Nagant or at least a Colt Commander. Well, you and Dean Speir (and I) have something else in common. None of us hold any fondness for the "dishwasher safe TUPPERWARE handgun". At his website Dean has some great pix of exploding "Glox". Also, there are still some folks in Hollywood who believe that polymer slides and frames can pass through airport metal detectors and "Z ray" scanners. Those parts show up clearly as just what they are, and the guns also contain at least 8 oz of metal in the barrel, sear and other internal components. Of course if I thought there was a chance that Gaston Glock's POS could be banned because of a myth I'd do my best to start a fear campaign about "hijackings with plastic gunz" just to help the govt do the wrong thing. I despise them that much, and their "trigger safety" thingy is really stoopid. The fact is a loaded Glock is the one handgun that you can't render safe around toddlers unless you handicap yourself so much that the gun is useless for defense against a surprise home invasion.. And every copper that forgets to avoid the trigger while holstering ends up leg shot just like DeShawn Einstein, formerly "the best undercover agent in the DEA."
Outstanding! Hey, even the legendary .22-250 is only a great varmint rifle on calm days. Those light .22s (like the .17s with 20, 25 and 30 grain bullets) just aren't much for wind bucking, but on calm days you can hit what you shoot at I'll bet. That's one reason my partner and I opted for the heavy barreled REMINGTON VARMINT SPECIAL .243 WIN for our long range (CA and AZ) desert shooting. His Dad had a really sweet synthetic stocked SAKO in .22-250 and on mild days he could group his shots like nobody's beeswax. But when there were crosswinds our 85 gr bullets would wander 5 inches to Dad's two feet left or right.
When I encountered about 4 huge tusker's, I was by myself and feeling very isolated with no tree's around, the group I was facing decided to run away, thankfully. Imagine if some real mean tuskers had come after him, or even HAWGzilla? No, it's always a good idea to have backup when hunting dangerous pork just as African hunters do when hunting The Big Five. Someone standing by with a repeating 12 ga loaded with Brenneke slugs is cheap insurance in case some older hogs (who have managed to survive) show up. (I'm guessing but) those in the video were probably two years or younger and it's doubtful that they had any serious tusks at that age. (experienced Porky The HAWG hunters may say otherwise)
The thing is, the plastic or cardboard wads used to keep the powder in the cases are so light that they have no mass to speak of and therefore no energy to retain over any distance. But, at point blank range even his mama's kiss could have killed him if fired in a blank charge powerful enough to produce the desired special effects. (noise and flame) I recall one western TV actor telling how another famous TV cowboy shot him in the butt with a blank, and what was supposed to be grabastic fun between takes put that guy in the hospital.
here's page two from the former DEA agent's complaint, found here.
Ping.
Ping.
LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Funny that it didn't mention him showing the little kiddies how to shoot yourself with an unloaded gun. Guess he didn't think that was too important.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
dude's pretty calm and relaxed about his "accident." he certainly took his time leaving the room to get medical attention. what a strange man he is. DEA (LOL)
Good point! In DE when hunter education courses are taught in schools there are strict rules about the firearms and ammo used in the classes. Specifically, "never the twain shall meet on school property". Now, I suppose the school system where Agent Lee Paige put those kids' lives in jeopardy wouldn't have dreamed of setting safety standards for agents of FEDGOV, Inc. But, did they know that the agent conducting the show and tell would be an arrogant, stupid 85-IQ jackass who probably points at words when he reads and who never completely read or comprehended the simplest fundamentals of firearms safety? And what do you wanna bet that the AR15 he asked for (as he was going into shock) was also loaded? Can anyone explain why the weapon he used in the demo was loaded at all? If he felt the need to always be armed for his protection then that weapon should have remained holstered and another unloaded but identical weapon used in the demonstration. There are simple rules that amount to idiot proofing for reasons that require no explanation or justification. Of course had the school made such suggestions prior to his negligent (not accidental) discharge, he'd have no doubt been indignant at the implication that there was any risk at all as he, Mr. "I Bee da ownlee Mo Fo heah qualified to handle dis heah bad ass fawty!", showed his stupidity while putting others in serious danger. All it takes is one mistake and we learn why the rules are so absolute and necessary. Sadly, he didn't learn the hard way before his You Tube debut, and he didn't believe that the rules applied to him because he was just so darn special! And the diff between his last class and my outdoor education class is, I'd be held responsible if my negligence resulted in the death of a trusting innocent, but federal agents can literally get away with murder as FBI HRT sniper Lon Horiuchi proved after killing Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge. (the rules of engagement were changed on the spot but Vicki was neither armed nor the target of Horiuchi's bullet-her death was pursuant to the sniper's "lawful performance of his duties" despite the improvised "out of policy" rule change. And lets not forget the mass murder at WACO by Delta Force operatives and FBI who laid in wait and machine gunned all who were able to escape the collapsing inferno) "Dear Occupant, On behalf of The Attorney General and The Director of The DEA we'd like to express our sincere condolences on the loss of your son, Johnny Junior. As you know the agent who was present during the tragedy feels terrible as well, and the weapon is being inspected by experts to isolate and identify the mechanical malfunction that was likely responsible for your son's death. And, let me assure you that no matter the outcome this public relations disaster will go on Agent Lee Paige's permanent record and will be considered when he is eligible for future promotions and/or merit pay raises. This action is actually quite harsh because your son's death was "pursuant to Agent Paige's lawful performance of his duties" which is regrettably also why the court denied your motion to sue the agent or The DEA". Sincerely, Pontius Q. Despot, Deputy Director, US DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION (signed and initialed by The DD's personal secretary-GF-Gennifer Flowers and mailed with the proper postage affixed to Johnny Junior's last known address and Parent Of Record)
That was a great post, DAWG. Funny in a sad kind of way if you follow.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
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#5. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
She was held in police custody for two nights but investigators soon came to conclusion that her husband may have loaded the gun with a real bullet rather than a blank while under the influence of marijuana.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#6. To: FormerLurker (#5)
#7. To: James Deffenbach (#6)
He's da only one who is professional enough to play wid dat Glock up in dere! And don't you forget it either.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#8. To: Tatarewicz, 4 (#0)
What a horrible story.
#9. To: FormerLurker (#7)
I always get a chuckle out of that...
#10. To: James Deffenbach (#9)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#11. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
#12. To: Eric Stratton (#11)
Weed and guns don't mix for starters.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#13. To: FormerLurker (#5)
#14. To: FormerLurker (#12)
#15. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
#16. To: Pinguinite (#4)
Firing a gun right at the head at zero range could be fatal even if it was loaded with a blank round.
#17. To: randge (#1)
#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#17)
#19. To: FormerLurker (#10)
You'd think he'd at least have the sense to end the presentation after he shot himself and walk off with a least a grain a dignity. Oh no, he wants to hold an AK-47 for the class afterwards, till the kids tell him "NO, put it down".
#20. To: randge (#18)
#21. To: FormerLurker (#10)
You'd think he'd at least have the sense to end the presentation after he shot himself and walk off with a least a grain a dignity. Oh no, he wants to hold an AK-47 for the class afterwards, till the kids tell him "NO, put it down".
#22. To: HOUNDDAWG (#21)
And he sued the DEA for releasing the tape and exposing him to ridicule. In his suit he claimed that he was "one of the best if not THE BEST undercover agent in the DEA".
#23. To: James Deffenbach (#22)
One shudders to think of the implications of that!
#24. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)
(Edited)
#25. To: HOUNDDAWG, randge (#17)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#26. To: X-15 (#25)
#27. To: Lod (#26)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#28. To: X-15 (#27)
pellet rifle takes feral hog - amazing -
#29. To: Lod (#28)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#30. To: X-15 (#29)
#31. To: HOUNDDAWG (#16)
Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed years ago when the wad that holds the powder charge in a .44 magnum blank entered his brain after he held the gun to his head and fired.
#32. To: Pinguinite (#31)
But I'm not inclined to do any experimentation.
#33. To: randge (#24)
Anywho, it's fitting that this cockup was committed with a plastic gun. Just like the cars they make today, they all look like they were squirted out of a toy factory.
#34. To: X-15 (#25)
I've got a Remington 700 chambered for the .17 Remington cartridge, it's my most accurate rifle. Kills coyotes DEAD, my longest shot while hunting was only 72 paces, the longest I've shot it is 100-yds at a rifle range. It's also the most fun to shoot since it has the recoil of a .22 Long Rifle cartridge. I let new shooters shoot it because they won't flinch due to the low/non-existent recoil.
#35. To: X-15 (#29)
The .17 air rifle appears to get the job done. You also saw him dancing with that hog?? He was lucky that he emerged with his legs intact.
#36. To: Pinguinite (#31)
(Edited)
A .44, especially a magnum, is a hellava lot more powerful than a .17 caliber. I was going to amend my post saying a .17 blank might not be too bad. But I'm not inclined to do any experimentation.
#37. To: All, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, randge, Lod, Jethro Tull (#21)
#38. To: X-15 (#37)
#39. To: Eric Stratton (#37)
#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#33)
DeShawn Einstein, formerly "the best undercover agent in the DEA."
#41. To: HOUNDDAWG (#37)
#42. To: FormerLurker (#5)
#43. To: James Deffenbach, Lod, christine, Eric Stratton, wudidiz (#41)
Funny that it didn't mention him showing the little kiddies how to shoot yourself with an unloaded gun. Guess he didn't think that was too important.
#44. To: HOUNDDAWG (#43)
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