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Title: Bride who shot husband 'thought it was a blank'
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URL Source: http://www.thelocal.ch/1261/20110922/
Published: Sep 24, 2011
Author: Tanya Hogan
Post Date: 2011-09-24 08:29:52 by Tatarewicz
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A newlywed Swiss woman from Basel who killed her husband in a tragic gun accident in March has been convicted of involuntary manslaughter but will not serve a prison sentence. 32-year old “Nadia N“ was handed a nine-month suspended sentence by Basel Criminal Court on Wednesday, Blick newspaper reported. The woman cried as she told the court the accident happened while playing with her husband Victor’s gun at their home in the Gundeli area, south of Basel city centre, on Sunday March 20th. She explained she did not know it was loaded. Although they first met in 1996, the home care assistant and her musician husband did not marry until the beginning of March 2011. The tragedy occurred in their house two weeks later while their 13-year old son was staying with a friend. Her husband was always handling his gun, the woman told the court. Even on the day before the deadly shot was fired, he polished his weapon while sitting in front of the TV and smoking a joint. Nadia N. told her husband she wanted to fetch the family register from the safe. Victor’s gun, a Glock 17-caliber 9x19mm automatic, was also locked up there. “As I opened the safe, he called saying he wanted the gun,“ she said. “I wanted to pretend I wasn’t afraid.“ Play-acting, she told the court she held the gun to her 35-year old husband’s temple. “Hands up“, she joked. Her husband, not believing the gun to be loaded, urged her to pull the trigger. When she eventually did, the gun went off and her husband slumped to the floor. She called an ambulance but he was dead before it arrived. She was held in police custody for two nights but investigators soon came to conclusion that her husband may have loaded the gun with a real bullet rather than a blank while under the influence of marijuana. The judge found Nadia N. guilty of involuntary manslaughter, but reasoned that "the consequences of what happened are so heavy that an exemption of punishment is justified.“
Besides what's reported it seems pretty stupid to mix blanks and shells in a single gun.
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#23. To: James Deffenbach (#22)
Yeah, what if it's true?
Yes, you are right about the designators. I believe that I misread the ID due to the perhaps misplaced hyphen. Anywho, it's fitting that this cockup was committed with a plastic gun. Just like the cars they make today, they all look like they were squirted out of a toy factory. If I were writing fiction featuring a little intramarital gunplay, I'd choose man's gun like a Webley or a Nagant or at least a Colt Commander.
I've got a Remington 700 chambered for the .17 Remington cartridge, it's my most accurate rifle. Kills coyotes DEAD, my longest shot while hunting was only 72 paces, the longest I've shot it is 100-yds at a rifle range. It's also the most fun to shoot since it has the recoil of a .22 Long Rifle cartridge. I let new shooters shoot it because they won't flinch due to the low/non-existent recoil.
Have you tried it on feral hogs up there?
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson No, and I've already passed on some big ones when I was out coyote hunting: I was afraid that I would piss-off a +/- 400-lb boar and there weren't any tree's close by for me to climb up :-o
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson The .17 air rifle appears to get the job done. You also saw him dancing with that hog?? He was lucky that he emerged with his legs intact. When I encountered about 4 huge tusker's, I was by myself and feeling very isolated with no tree's around, the group I was facing decided to run away, thankfully.
I'd probably fired one into the ground, and prayed that they left the scene. They are not the smartest creatures on the planet. Smarter than congress, but still, not all that smart.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson A .44, especially a magnum, is a hellava lot more powerful than a .17 caliber. I was going to amend my post saying a .17 blank might not be too bad. But I'm not inclined to do any experimentation.
Not on your own dome, anyway.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson If I were writing fiction featuring a little intramarital gunplay, I'd choose man's gun like a Webley or a Nagant or at least a Colt Commander. Well, you and Dean Speir (and I) have something else in common. None of us hold any fondness for the "dishwasher safe TUPPERWARE handgun". At his website Dean has some great pix of exploding "Glox". Also, there are still some folks in Hollywood who believe that polymer slides and frames can pass through airport metal detectors and "Z ray" scanners. Those parts show up clearly as just what they are, and the guns also contain at least 8 oz of metal in the barrel, sear and other internal components. Of course if I thought there was a chance that Gaston Glock's POS could be banned because of a myth I'd do my best to start a fear campaign about "hijackings with plastic gunz" just to help the govt do the wrong thing. I despise them that much, and their "trigger safety" thingy is really stoopid. The fact is a loaded Glock is the one handgun that you can't render safe around toddlers unless you handicap yourself so much that the gun is useless for defense against a surprise home invasion.. And every copper that forgets to avoid the trigger while holstering ends up leg shot just like DeShawn Einstein, formerly "the best undercover agent in the DEA."
Outstanding! Hey, even the legendary .22-250 is only a great varmint rifle on calm days. Those light .22s (like the .17s with 20, 25 and 30 grain bullets) just aren't much for wind bucking, but on calm days you can hit what you shoot at I'll bet. That's one reason my partner and I opted for the heavy barreled REMINGTON VARMINT SPECIAL .243 WIN for our long range (CA and AZ) desert shooting. His Dad had a really sweet synthetic stocked SAKO in .22-250 and on mild days he could group his shots like nobody's beeswax. But when there were crosswinds our 85 gr bullets would wander 5 inches to Dad's two feet left or right.
When I encountered about 4 huge tusker's, I was by myself and feeling very isolated with no tree's around, the group I was facing decided to run away, thankfully. Imagine if some real mean tuskers had come after him, or even HAWGzilla? No, it's always a good idea to have backup when hunting dangerous pork just as African hunters do when hunting The Big Five. Someone standing by with a repeating 12 ga loaded with Brenneke slugs is cheap insurance in case some older hogs (who have managed to survive) show up. (I'm guessing but) those in the video were probably two years or younger and it's doubtful that they had any serious tusks at that age. (experienced Porky The HAWG hunters may say otherwise)
The thing is, the plastic or cardboard wads used to keep the powder in the cases are so light that they have no mass to speak of and therefore no energy to retain over any distance. But, at point blank range even his mama's kiss could have killed him if fired in a blank charge powerful enough to produce the desired special effects. (noise and flame) I recall one western TV actor telling how another famous TV cowboy shot him in the butt with a blank, and what was supposed to be grabastic fun between takes put that guy in the hospital.
here's page two from the former DEA agent's complaint, found here.
Ping.
Ping.
LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Funny that it didn't mention him showing the little kiddies how to shoot yourself with an unloaded gun. Guess he didn't think that was too important.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
dude's pretty calm and relaxed about his "accident." he certainly took his time leaving the room to get medical attention. what a strange man he is. DEA (LOL)
Good point! In DE when hunter education courses are taught in schools there are strict rules about the firearms and ammo used in the classes. Specifically, "never the twain shall meet on school property". Now, I suppose the school system where Agent Lee Paige put those kids' lives in jeopardy wouldn't have dreamed of setting safety standards for agents of FEDGOV, Inc. But, did they know that the agent conducting the show and tell would be an arrogant, stupid 85-IQ jackass who probably points at words when he reads and who never completely read or comprehended the simplest fundamentals of firearms safety? And what do you wanna bet that the AR15 he asked for (as he was going into shock) was also loaded? Can anyone explain why the weapon he used in the demo was loaded at all? If he felt the need to always be armed for his protection then that weapon should have remained holstered and another unloaded but identical weapon used in the demonstration. There are simple rules that amount to idiot proofing for reasons that require no explanation or justification. Of course had the school made such suggestions prior to his negligent (not accidental) discharge, he'd have no doubt been indignant at the implication that there was any risk at all as he, Mr. "I Bee da ownlee Mo Fo heah qualified to handle dis heah bad ass fawty!", showed his stupidity while putting others in serious danger. All it takes is one mistake and we learn why the rules are so absolute and necessary. Sadly, he didn't learn the hard way before his You Tube debut, and he didn't believe that the rules applied to him because he was just so darn special! And the diff between his last class and my outdoor education class is, I'd be held responsible if my negligence resulted in the death of a trusting innocent, but federal agents can literally get away with murder as FBI HRT sniper Lon Horiuchi proved after killing Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge. (the rules of engagement were changed on the spot but Vicki was neither armed nor the target of Horiuchi's bullet-her death was pursuant to the sniper's "lawful performance of his duties" despite the improvised "out of policy" rule change. And lets not forget the mass murder at WACO by Delta Force operatives and FBI who laid in wait and machine gunned all who were able to escape the collapsing inferno) "Dear Occupant, On behalf of The Attorney General and The Director of The DEA we'd like to express our sincere condolences on the loss of your son, Johnny Junior. As you know the agent who was present during the tragedy feels terrible as well, and the weapon is being inspected by experts to isolate and identify the mechanical malfunction that was likely responsible for your son's death. And, let me assure you that no matter the outcome this public relations disaster will go on Agent Lee Paige's permanent record and will be considered when he is eligible for future promotions and/or merit pay raises. This action is actually quite harsh because your son's death was "pursuant to Agent Paige's lawful performance of his duties" which is regrettably also why the court denied your motion to sue the agent or The DEA". Sincerely, Pontius Q. Despot, Deputy Director, US DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION (signed and initialed by The DD's personal secretary-GF-Gennifer Flowers and mailed with the proper postage affixed to Johnny Junior's last known address and Parent Of Record)
That was a great post, DAWG. Funny in a sad kind of way if you follow.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Indeed I do my friend. I (try to) laugh to keep from crying because my country is no more. Can you believe that the DEA sent out that self promoting hot dog with no training or rules for the safe handling of firearms? Remember these are the guys who can go down to the basement and shoot without a range officer to supervise, and many cops and feds have little or no prior experience with hand guns. So bad habits become ingrained and are reinforced by the myth that LEOs are gun experts after 8 hrs or so of classroom training and perhaps 60 rounds fired during annual quals. Remember that out of the 41 rounds fired by the NYPD's elite "jump out squad" at Amadou Diallo at near-point blank range the cops missed with all but 19. There were too many misses to call them warning shots of course. Hell, I knew a LAPD guy who had to borrow 6 rounds of FEDERAL JSP .38 cal ammo from me for his annual qual, (I carried the same ammo as the LAPD then) and after he went to the range and was issued 18 fresh rounds he gave me 6, and he drove around with one empty Speed Loader on his belt for the next year! I offered to let him keep the ammo he owed me just so he wouldn't be handicapped but he didn't seem to care that the ammo he shot off for funzies made him permanently short on his issued ammo. In fact he seemed secretly proud of his silent protest against his department. 30 years ago I read a book called STREET SURVIVAL: TACTICS FOR ARMED ENCOUNTERS (PALADIN PRESS) and it showed me lots of pix of dead cops who weren't making new and unusual mistakes, but the same ones again and again. (One cop tried to pry up a manhole cover with his gun barrel and he ended up with a "revolver that shoots around corners". The book didn't reveal whether he tried to shoot the gun) And who can forget the Metro rail cop who shot and killed a man who was face down on a train platform because the cop believed he "was reaching for (his) TASER"? No, there's entirely too much TV and film hype about cops and guns, so much so that the public seldom challenges it and cops start to believe it. And former DEA Super Agent Lee Paige didn't brag about how he was "one of the best if not the best player in the NFL" because his record (one year with Tampa Bay Buccaneers) speaks the truth about that. Lee Paige was born on Sunday, October 16, 1960 in Jackson , MS and he is a famous American football player. Life in Brief: - Being born on Oct 16, Lee is a Libra. - he is 6'0'' (183 cm) tall. - his weight is 197 lbs (89 kg). - he has a gaming experience of 1 year. - Lee attended the Florida State University. Years and teams he played for: - in 1987 for Tampa Bay Buccaneers He went from being too modest to admit that he was "da best agent in the universe" (classroom video and lawsuit filing) to merely, "a productive agent and not some bum an' buffoon that shot hisself in the foot"! (above video) HAH! "Paige accuses fellow DEA officers of leaking the tape as he struggle to REGAIN RESPECT(?) as a husband, father and lawman" I RESPECTfully submit that if he wasn't such a horse's ass his fellow agents wouldn't have torpedoed him...and he cannot regain what he never had. He should have asked someone to read the Glock owner's manual to him because Mr. "NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS EBONICS-I went to Florida State UNAVERS..uhh...UNOVERS...uhh...UNEVERS...uhh...COLLEGE!" didn't know that riding a Glock trigger into the holster is a common mistake that results in too many leg shots.
LOL! That is funny stuff.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
DEA "agents" are the shadiest mo-fo's on the planet.
I've since started carrying my S&W .357 Magnum with Federal Ammunition 180- grain CastCore bullets "for bone-crushing penetration."
A serious sidearm is never a bad idea.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson I'm carrying extra weight through the bottom-lands of Fannin County, but it's a great comfort to know that I can stop anything this side of Hell.
In the past 40 years, or so, Fannin has re-wilded quite nicely - hogs, big white-tail, turkeys, coyotes, etc. are to be found there. And the Red River just keeps rolling along. I miss it.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson really funny. i'm sitting here laughing.
That bad ass fawty comment reminded me of this clip. What you reckon that Agent Paige had never been to Hawvahd?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Maybe he was so high on some "evidence" that he didn't feel the pain... :)
One of the first things they teach in the military (well at Paris Island at least) is to keep your trigger finger off to the side of the weapon, and never place it into the trigger guard unless you are ready to shoot. Even with an UNLOADED gun, as obviously, mistakes can and DO happen. The exceptions of course are when you are dry firing the weapon or disassembling it to clean it, but only AFTER you've removed the magazine and checked the chamber.
That is a damn good question, and one that we'll probably never get an honest answer for.
That's false insurance. ANY handgun can be fatal in the hands of a toddler or any other person. Just because there's a little safety lever doesn't mean squat. Moral of the story is, you never leave ANY gun where a child can find it. I either have mine on me, or locked in my safe. And it ALWAYS has a full magazine and one in the chamber. Personally, I like the way a Glock feels, its magazine capacity is huge, and it's dead accurate. I emptied 15 rounds out of my Glock 27 (a .40 caliber subcompact, with a magazine adapter for a Glock 22), fairly rapid fire, all into the center ring of a target at 15 yards. Another guy was slow firing a Colt 45, and out of 8 rounds, could only get one or two in the center ring at the same range, with the other shots being spread out all over the target. He left the range in disgust once I pulled my target back... LOL Seriously though, it's one of the best handguns out there, and they are extremely rugged, reliable, and durable. And VERY accurate.
funny!
The exceptions of course are when you are dry firing the weapon or disassembling it to clean it, but only AFTER you've removed the magazine and checked the chamber. This bears reposting.
I liked that part where he said, "You ain't keepin' it RAAALLLL, you ain't REPRESEENNNTINNN!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Who said anything about a safety lever? And you probably don't carry a sidearm with an external hammer that can be lowered. A Colt Govt Model in Condition Three is effectively toddler proof. (They were teens before either could jack the slide all the way back, far enough to strip a bullet off the magazine. Conversely, a Glock slide is much easier to cycle) And, by the time my kids were old enough and strong enough to cock a hammer they had seen very impressive demos of the damage that can result from firearms. Hiding the guns creates the forbidden fruit syndrome. Warn your kids never to push a BIG RED BUTTON (that you acquire just for training) and then hide it from them and see how long it takes for them to find and push it. My son defeated all the child cabinet locks at 18 months old and he was picking locks open with my lock picks and then his own improvised tools at the age of 9. Locking guns away renders them worthless in a sudden home invasion, and (assuming that kids have no special learning or discipline problems) the most foolproof safety is to teach them that they can inspect any gun as long as they have a parent's informed consent each time. My kids very much appreciated that treatment and they had no reason to break a rule to play with guns that were then "de-mystified" because they had access for the asking. Of course my kids were highly intelligent and obedient as children, and that may not be the case in your home. And, If you're tempted to fire back at me you should check the stats to see what dangers injure or kill most kids, and ask yourself what steps you took to minimize them. (Did you lock your car keys in your safe? Are your children allowed to climb stairs or shower unsupervised? The questions are rhetorical and serve only to point out that many people contribute to the problem by overlooking some very real dangers while exaggerating another.) My kids would have gotten no more of a thrill from sneaking around to handle my guns than they would have from secretly sending their allowances to the GOP. And, the smartest thing I did was not to challenge my son's amazing problem solving abilities and to turn his gun handling into a privilege that he respected and his friends envied. (Which is why he got a single shot .22 rifle (scaled for kids) instead of an airgun at 5 years old. He wasn't allowed to roam the neighborhood with either (Why? because his little buddy from a broken home was as mean as Hell and they'd have been breaking windows and shooting cats and birds in no time) so I got him an accurate rifle that would reward his practice instead of a crappy BB gun that wouldn't. And he knew why he couldn't go out to play with a real rifle, but that discussion may have never ended ("Awww, come on, Dad, I promise I won't.") had I bought him a BB gun instead. And, needless to say his buddies were green with envy after they saw his targets. There were far fewer tragedies and property damage when guns were a part of the cultural imperative and kids knew what they were for and how to handle them. And I found that the kids were not overly anxious to shoot too many guns at once if they had to clean them afterward. (just as I'm sure they wouldn't have been too anxious to drive all the cars if they had to scrub and ARMORALL the tires after each lesson) This encouraged proficiency ("Fear the man who has but one gun...") rather than burning through ammo.
Exactly right. Dangerous critters with heavy bones (cougars being one notable exception) may not present the optimum angle to stop them cold and deep penetration with a solid is preferable to fast expanding ammo that one chooses for urban self defense. Some Big Five ammo will enter the nose and exit the poop chute of elephant and cape buff, and that is the best way to avoid becoming toe jam. Your ammo is an excellent choice and the likelihood that you can anchor a critter with one shot could give you enough time to deal with them all if they decide to "cluster tusk" you.
A Colt Govt Model in Condition Three is effectively toddler proof. (They were teens before either could jack the slide all the way back, far enough to strip a bullet off the magazine. Conversely, a Glock slide is much easier to cycle) Of course my kids were highly intelligent and obedient as children, and that may not be the case in your home. You may believe your children are superior than others, but that doesn't make it so. And what about friends who are visiting? If your wife's friend has her little Johnny over the house and he finds the gun and blows your kid away, or his own head, what would your "foolproof" parenting provide then? Locking guns away renders them worthless in a sudden home invasion, and (assuming that kids have no special learning or discipline problems) the most foolproof safety is to teach them that they can inspect any gun as long as they have a parent's informed consent each time. Keeping guns anywhere but on your person renders them worthless in a home invasion, since you'll have a fraction of a second to draw the weapon, aim, and fire. If it's in another room, or even a different part of the room, you're screwed, as you will not get a chance to run and get it. If you have a dog you might get a bit of an early warning, but do you run for your gun each time the mailman delivers mail at your house? Besides, if you leave a loaded gun hanging around the house, a burgler or home invader may very well find it before you do and use it against you. It's best to either have it ON you, or locked away where even IF your property is compromised, you can be fairly sure the intruder(s) will not be able to use your own weapon against you and your family. And of course I taught my kids to ALWAYS consider a gun loaded, and NEVER handle it without my permission if they ever do come across one. You may feel differently, and you are entitled to your opinion, but just remember, if some kid DOES have an accident with one of your weapons, it will be YOU that is held responsible for whatever happens. Could you live with yourself if anything ever did?
One shudders to think of the implications of that!
#24. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)
(Edited)
#25. To: HOUNDDAWG, randge (#17)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#26. To: X-15 (#25)
#27. To: Lod (#26)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#28. To: X-15 (#27)
pellet rifle takes feral hog - amazing -
#29. To: Lod (#28)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#30. To: X-15 (#29)
#31. To: HOUNDDAWG (#16)
Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed years ago when the wad that holds the powder charge in a .44 magnum blank entered his brain after he held the gun to his head and fired.
#32. To: Pinguinite (#31)
But I'm not inclined to do any experimentation.
#33. To: randge (#24)
Anywho, it's fitting that this cockup was committed with a plastic gun. Just like the cars they make today, they all look like they were squirted out of a toy factory.
#34. To: X-15 (#25)
I've got a Remington 700 chambered for the .17 Remington cartridge, it's my most accurate rifle. Kills coyotes DEAD, my longest shot while hunting was only 72 paces, the longest I've shot it is 100-yds at a rifle range. It's also the most fun to shoot since it has the recoil of a .22 Long Rifle cartridge. I let new shooters shoot it because they won't flinch due to the low/non-existent recoil.
#35. To: X-15 (#29)
The .17 air rifle appears to get the job done. You also saw him dancing with that hog?? He was lucky that he emerged with his legs intact.
#36. To: Pinguinite (#31)
(Edited)
A .44, especially a magnum, is a hellava lot more powerful than a .17 caliber. I was going to amend my post saying a .17 blank might not be too bad. But I'm not inclined to do any experimentation.
#37. To: All, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, randge, Lod, Jethro Tull (#21)
#38. To: X-15 (#37)
#39. To: Eric Stratton (#37)
#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#33)
DeShawn Einstein, formerly "the best undercover agent in the DEA."
#41. To: HOUNDDAWG (#37)
#42. To: FormerLurker (#5)
#43. To: James Deffenbach, Lod, christine, Eric Stratton, wudidiz (#41)
Funny that it didn't mention him showing the little kiddies how to shoot yourself with an unloaded gun. Guess he didn't think that was too important.
#44. To: HOUNDDAWG (#43)
#45. To: James Deffenbach (#44)
Funny in a sad kind of way if you follow
#46. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)
He should have asked someone to read the Glock owner's manual to him because Mr. "NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS EBONICS-I went to Florida State UNAVERS..uhh...UNOVERS...uhh...UNEVERS...uhh...COLLEGE!" didn't know that riding a Glock trigger into the holster is a common mistake that results in too many leg shots.
#47. To: HOUNDDAWG (#37)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#48. To: HOUNDDAWG, Lod (#35)
No, it's always a good idea to have backup when hunting dangerous pork just as African hunters do when hunting The Big Five.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#49. To: X-15, 4 (#48)
#50. To: Lod (#49)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#51. To: X-15 (#50)
#52. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)
He should have asked someone to read the Glock owner's manual to him because Mr. "NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS EBONICS-I went to Florida State UNAVERS..uhh...UNOVERS...uhh...UNEVERS...uhh...COLLEGE!" didn't know that riding a Glock trigger into the holster is a common mistake that results in too many leg shots.
#53. To: HOUNDDAWG (#43)
"I Bee da ownlee Mo Fo heah qualified to handle dis heah bad ass fawty!", showed his stupidity while putting others in serious danger.
#54. To: christine (#42)
dude's pretty calm and relaxed about his "accident." he certainly took his time leaving the room to get medical attention. what a strange man he is. DEA (LOL)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#55. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)
didn't know that riding a Glock trigger into the holster is a common mistake that results in too many leg shots.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: HOUNDDAWG (#43)
Can anyone explain why the weapon he used in the demo was loaded at all? If he felt the need to always be armed for his protection then that weapon should have remained holstered and another unloaded but identical weapon used in the demonstration.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: HOUNDDAWG (#33)
The fact is a loaded Glock is the one handgun that you can't render safe around toddlers unless you handicap yourself so much that the gun is useless for defense against a surprise home invasion..
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: James Deffenbach (#53)
#59. To: FormerLurker (#55)
One of the first things they teach in the military (well at Paris Island at least) is to keep your trigger finger off to the side of the weapon, and never place it into the trigger guard unless you are ready to shoot. Even with an UNLOADED gun, as obviously, mistakes can and DO happen.
#60. To: HOUNDDAWG (#58)
#61. To: FormerLurker (#57)
Just because there's a little safety lever doesn't mean squat. Moral of the story is, you never leave ANY gun where a child can find it. I either have mine on me, or locked in my safe. And it ALWAYS has a full magazine and one in the chamber.
#62. To: X-15 (#48)
I've since started carrying my S&W .357 Magnum with Federal Ammunition 180- grain CastCore bullets "for bone-crushing penetration."
#63. To: HOUNDDAWG (#61)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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