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Title: Bride who shot husband 'thought it was a blank'
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.thelocal.ch/1261/20110922/
Published: Sep 24, 2011
Author: Tanya Hogan
Post Date: 2011-09-24 08:29:52 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 1006
Comments: 63

A newlywed Swiss woman from Basel who killed her husband in a tragic gun accident in March has been convicted of involuntary manslaughter but will not serve a prison sentence.

32-year old “Nadia N“ was handed a nine-month suspended sentence by Basel Criminal Court on Wednesday, Blick newspaper reported.

The woman cried as she told the court the accident happened while playing with her husband Victor’s gun at their home in the Gundeli area, south of Basel city centre, on Sunday March 20th. She explained she did not know it was loaded.

Although they first met in 1996, the home care assistant and her musician husband did not marry until the beginning of March 2011.

The tragedy occurred in their house two weeks later while their 13-year old son was staying with a friend.

Her husband was always handling his gun, the woman told the court. Even on the day before the deadly shot was fired, he polished his weapon while sitting in front of the TV and smoking a joint.

Nadia N. told her husband she wanted to fetch the family register from the safe. Victor’s gun, a Glock 17-caliber 9x19mm automatic, was also locked up there.

“As I opened the safe, he called saying he wanted the gun,“ she said. “I wanted to pretend I wasn’t afraid.“

Play-acting, she told the court she held the gun to her 35-year old husband’s temple. “Hands up“, she joked.

Her husband, not believing the gun to be loaded, urged her to pull the trigger. When she eventually did, the gun went off and her husband slumped to the floor. She called an ambulance but he was dead before it arrived.

She was held in police custody for two nights but investigators soon came to conclusion that her husband may have loaded the gun with a real bullet rather than a blank while under the influence of marijuana.

The judge found Nadia N. guilty of involuntary manslaughter, but reasoned that "the consequences of what happened are so heavy that an exemption of punishment is justified.“


Besides what's reported it seems pretty stupid to mix blanks and shells in a single gun.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Them 17-caliber weapons are dangerous. Never point them at anything unless you're sure of your target.

randge  posted on  2011-09-24   8:41:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: randge (#1)

It would make more sense written this way:

A Model 17 Glock-caliber 9x19mm automatic....

And Remington loads a .17 cal rifle cartridge (a necked down .223) with velocities in the 4,000 fps range. It's a fine crow rifle out to about 200 yards. (They claim it's a 500 yard cartridge but that's a dream. When shooting a bullet that resembles a hypodermic needle its ballistics are very poor beyond 200 yards)

.17 Remington

NYPD SWAT considered their use as tactical rifles which made sense when you consider that the average SWAT kill is at a range of 75 feet.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-09-24   13:23:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#17)

I've handled the .17, but I've never tried one out. Don't do any varmint hunting, so I don't have much use for one.

Never seen a "Glock 17-caliber" though. Just shows you where these pencil necks are when they write about these sorts of topics. I'd hate to be in the same room if someone were to hand them a weapon. I'd just back out the door kind of slow.

randge  posted on  2011-09-24   14:06:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: randge (#18)

In military jargon the word "caliber" precedes the actual designation of "9X19mm". It's not really all that confusing for folks who are accustomed to reading such gibberish.

And the "17" had no decimal point before it or "mm" stamp after it so, it was clearly not the caliber of the weapon.

I know you're joking but....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-09-24   14:23:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20) (Edited)

Yes, you are right about the designators. I believe that I misread the ID due to the perhaps misplaced hyphen. Anywho, it's fitting that this cockup was committed with a plastic gun. Just like the cars they make today, they all look like they were squirted out of a toy factory.

If I were writing fiction featuring a little intramarital gunplay, I'd choose man's gun like a Webley or a Nagant or at least a Colt Commander.

randge  posted on  2011-09-24   14:54:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: randge (#24)

Anywho, it's fitting that this cockup was committed with a plastic gun. Just like the cars they make today, they all look like they were squirted out of a toy factory.

If I were writing fiction featuring a little intramarital gunplay, I'd choose man's gun like a Webley or a Nagant or at least a Colt Commander.

Well, you and Dean Speir (and I) have something else in common. None of us hold any fondness for the "dishwasher safe TUPPERWARE handgun".

At his website Dean has some great pix of exploding "Glox".

linky

Also, there are still some folks in Hollywood who believe that polymer slides and frames can pass through airport metal detectors and "Z ray" scanners. Those parts show up clearly as just what they are, and the guns also contain at least 8 oz of metal in the barrel, sear and other internal components. Of course if I thought there was a chance that Gaston Glock's POS could be banned because of a myth I'd do my best to start a fear campaign about "hijackings with plastic gunz" just to help the govt do the wrong thing. I despise them that much, and their "trigger safety" thingy is really stoopid. The fact is a loaded Glock is the one handgun that you can't render safe around toddlers unless you handicap yourself so much that the gun is useless for defense against a surprise home invasion..

And every copper that forgets to avoid the trigger while holstering ends up leg shot just like DeShawn Einstein, formerly "the best undercover agent in the DEA."

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-09-25   1:45:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: HOUNDDAWG (#33)

The fact is a loaded Glock is the one handgun that you can't render safe around toddlers unless you handicap yourself so much that the gun is useless for defense against a surprise home invasion..

That's false insurance. ANY handgun can be fatal in the hands of a toddler or any other person.

Just because there's a little safety lever doesn't mean squat. Moral of the story is, you never leave ANY gun where a child can find it. I either have mine on me, or locked in my safe. And it ALWAYS has a full magazine and one in the chamber.

Personally, I like the way a Glock feels, its magazine capacity is huge, and it's dead accurate. I emptied 15 rounds out of my Glock 27 (a .40 caliber subcompact, with a magazine adapter for a Glock 22), fairly rapid fire, all into the center ring of a target at 15 yards. Another guy was slow firing a Colt 45, and out of 8 rounds, could only get one or two in the center ring at the same range, with the other shots being spread out all over the target. He left the range in disgust once I pulled my target back... LOL

Seriously though, it's one of the best handguns out there, and they are extremely rugged, reliable, and durable. And VERY accurate.

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-09-26   17:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FormerLurker (#57)

Just because there's a little safety lever doesn't mean squat. Moral of the story is, you never leave ANY gun where a child can find it. I either have mine on me, or locked in my safe. And it ALWAYS has a full magazine and one in the chamber.

Who said anything about a safety lever? And you probably don't carry a sidearm with an external hammer that can be lowered. A Colt Govt Model in Condition Three is effectively toddler proof. (They were teens before either could jack the slide all the way back, far enough to strip a bullet off the magazine. Conversely, a Glock slide is much easier to cycle)

And, by the time my kids were old enough and strong enough to cock a hammer they had seen very impressive demos of the damage that can result from firearms.

Hiding the guns creates the forbidden fruit syndrome. Warn your kids never to push a BIG RED BUTTON (that you acquire just for training) and then hide it from them and see how long it takes for them to find and push it. My son defeated all the child cabinet locks at 18 months old and he was picking locks open with my lock picks and then his own improvised tools at the age of 9.

Locking guns away renders them worthless in a sudden home invasion, and (assuming that kids have no special learning or discipline problems) the most foolproof safety is to teach them that they can inspect any gun as long as they have a parent's informed consent each time.

My kids very much appreciated that treatment and they had no reason to break a rule to play with guns that were then "de-mystified" because they had access for the asking. Of course my kids were highly intelligent and obedient as children, and that may not be the case in your home. And, If you're tempted to fire back at me you should check the stats to see what dangers injure or kill most kids, and ask yourself what steps you took to minimize them. (Did you lock your car keys in your safe? Are your children allowed to climb stairs or shower unsupervised? The questions are rhetorical and serve only to point out that many people contribute to the problem by overlooking some very real dangers while exaggerating another.)

My kids would have gotten no more of a thrill from sneaking around to handle my guns than they would have from secretly sending their allowances to the GOP. And, the smartest thing I did was not to challenge my son's amazing problem solving abilities and to turn his gun handling into a privilege that he respected and his friends envied. (Which is why he got a single shot .22 rifle (scaled for kids) instead of an airgun at 5 years old. He wasn't allowed to roam the neighborhood with either (Why? because his little buddy from a broken home was as mean as Hell and they'd have been breaking windows and shooting cats and birds in no time) so I got him an accurate rifle that would reward his practice instead of a crappy BB gun that wouldn't. And he knew why he couldn't go out to play with a real rifle, but that discussion may have never ended ("Awww, come on, Dad, I promise I won't.") had I bought him a BB gun instead. And, needless to say his buddies were green with envy after they saw his targets.

There were far fewer tragedies and property damage when guns were a part of the cultural imperative and kids knew what they were for and how to handle them. And I found that the kids were not overly anxious to shoot too many guns at once if they had to clean them afterward. (just as I'm sure they wouldn't have been too anxious to drive all the cars if they had to scrub and ARMORALL the tires after each lesson) This encouraged proficiency ("Fear the man who has but one gun...") rather than burning through ammo.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-09-26   21:19:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#63. To: HOUNDDAWG (#61)

A Colt Govt Model in Condition Three is effectively toddler proof. (They were teens before either could jack the slide all the way back, far enough to strip a bullet off the magazine. Conversely, a Glock slide is much easier to cycle)

Of course my kids were highly intelligent and obedient as children, and that may not be the case in your home.

You may believe your children are superior than others, but that doesn't make it so. And what about friends who are visiting? If your wife's friend has her little Johnny over the house and he finds the gun and blows your kid away, or his own head, what would your "foolproof" parenting provide then?

Locking guns away renders them worthless in a sudden home invasion, and (assuming that kids have no special learning or discipline problems) the most foolproof safety is to teach them that they can inspect any gun as long as they have a parent's informed consent each time.

Keeping guns anywhere but on your person renders them worthless in a home invasion, since you'll have a fraction of a second to draw the weapon, aim, and fire. If it's in another room, or even a different part of the room, you're screwed, as you will not get a chance to run and get it. If you have a dog you might get a bit of an early warning, but do you run for your gun each time the mailman delivers mail at your house?

Besides, if you leave a loaded gun hanging around the house, a burgler or home invader may very well find it before you do and use it against you. It's best to either have it ON you, or locked away where even IF your property is compromised, you can be fairly sure the intruder(s) will not be able to use your own weapon against you and your family.

And of course I taught my kids to ALWAYS consider a gun loaded, and NEVER handle it without my permission if they ever do come across one.

You may feel differently, and you are entitled to your opinion, but just remember, if some kid DOES have an accident with one of your weapons, it will be YOU that is held responsible for whatever happens. Could you live with yourself if anything ever did?

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