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Title: Thugs demand $200 from motorist on California roadside
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Published: Sep 25, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-09-25 14:08:53 by Artisan
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With the economy continuing to falter and residents struggling to hold things together, those lucky enough to still be employed are facing coersion and penalties by roadside revenue agents (otherwise known as "traffic cops") along California's highways.

I liken 'traffic tickets' to demands made by petty thugs. If some thug demanded your wallet, taking your what remains of your overtaxed hard-earned money, hopefully you would put up some kind of resistance. But if a cop gives someone a traffic citation, only a tiny percentage statistically is ever going to bother fighting it. Most people think it's way too time consuming or complicated to fight tickets and win. This in turn contributes to the problem, and police are increasing the number of tickets they hand out, because the masses simply submit and pay up.

In a previous essay I explained why everyone should fight their traffic tickets- every time. I am not a lawyer, but I have had a lot of success in beating traffic tickets since I learned how at HelpIgotaticket.com in 2001. The main thing is to simply remember that the number one way you will beat a ticket is by invoking your presumption of innocence. Make the revenue agents prove their case! Without pleading not guilty, you will certainly not beat anything.

I am truly heartened and joyous whenever I beat a trafic ticket. My latest victory was last week involved my first citation as a commercial driver. I was driving through Kern County, California late last year when I pulled through a weigh station in a commercial vehicle- a big rig, 18 wheeler. A woman officer stopped me on the scales and came out, claiming my tires were too far apart. See, in California, the distance between the kingpin and the middle of the rear axle of a tandem can't be more than 40 feet, on a 53 foot trailer.

Tandems on big trucks are adjustable, so depending on what state one is driving through, one can adjust the position of the tires. To measure the length of my tires, this woman had used a raggedy looking rolled up tape. It wasn't even a regular tape measure. Since my trailer was 53 feet long, she walked to the back and stretched out the tape as far as her arms could reach from the back of the trailer, held the tape in place with her finger and then scooted over and tried to measure the rest of the distance. That didn't look like a competent, accurate, or approved way for a law enforcement officer to measure the tandems. Nevertheless, she issued me a citation which turned out amounted to nearly $200 in fines, if I wanted to plead guilty and settle the matter.

Now, $200 bucks is actually very little in comparison to the dollar amount of many traffic fines today. However, since I never arbitrarily submit to government, I always make them prove their case. After all- if some hyped-up thug came up and demanded $200 from me threatening force, I'd take defensive action. What's the difference here?

There is not much of a difference. The state is making an accusation, demanding you sign the ticket to 'promise to appear' and pay into their extortion racket. If you don't appear, the court will issue a warrant for your arrest, suspend your 'license', and lock you in a cage. That is why everyone should plead not guilty to traffic fines. if everyone did that, maybe they'd spend their time actually protecting and serving the public instead of handing out tickets all day to people who are harming no one.

I did not discuss the tandems with the officer whatsoever. Bickering with a cop about their accusation while on the roadside will never accomplish anything. Better to keep your mouth shut, admit nothing, and be as forgetable as possible. Her job is apparently to give tickets, and my job is to fight them. So be it, nothing new here. What I did do, however, was demand the County Seat. And that is where the problem started. The County Seat is every motorists right in California, a right outlined in the California Vehicle Code. The County Seat simply means the location of the main courthouse in each county.

When I asked for that, the officer said that she was not going to give that to me. Now, most cops in my experience don't even know what the county seat is. I have actually had more than one cop thank me for letting him know what the county seat is. But this scraggly woman was particularly arrogant and obnoxious about her absolute refusal to give me the county seat. "40502b", I explained, and suggested that she call her supervisor if she was confused about my right to the county seat. She was working that weigh station by herself and had about five other people in the office who she was giving tickets to at the same time. She indeed was a pro ticket-giver, I gotta admit that.

More on the county seat issue later. She did eventually concede my point and begrudgingly give me the county seat, which in this case meant I was ordered to appear at the Kern County Superior Court in Bakersfield; much further than this cop's local courthouse. This apparently can cause inconvenience for lazy cops who do not like getting up early and driving over 2 hours in rush hour morning traffic! Perhaps this is why she tried to illegally refuse to grant me the county seat.

A week prior to my court date, the first thing I did was get an extension of my arraignment date, over the phone. That gave me about an extra month's breathing room. It's my experience that the longer one drags these things out, the better your chances to win. Another month later, with my new arraingment date approaching, I called the courthouse and told them I wanted to opt for a TRIAL BY DECLARATION. This is a trial conducted on paper through the mail, which is an option for all California motorists. The good thing about that is that if you lose, you are entitled, if you want it, to get a TRIAL DE NOVO, a brand new trial in person. It's like a free shot! Why wouldn't everyone use it? In the trial by declaration, the prosecution witness (the cop who issued you the ticket) is required to write out their statement. I have a feeling that cops don't get paid overtime to do this, unlike when they go to court in person. Many times, cops simply do not do the paperwork and the since there is no prosecution witness, the charge is dismissed in the interest of justice, as is the case with my friend John Shanahan. John has won several trial by declarations.

I paid my bail over the phone with a credit card and they mailed me the form for a trial by declaration. I filled it out and sent it in. I wrote the words "Not guilty" on the form and signed it, because I never opt to give my entire defense in the paper trial. A few weeks later I received notice that the judge found me GUILTY, and included were instructions for requesting a TRIAL DE NOVO, if I wanted one. Of course I opted for the TRIAL DE NOVO. The judge thus vacated the conviction from my trial by declaration, granted my trial de novo, and scheduled my trial for about a month and a half later. The funny thing about circumstances such as this is that I suspect oftentimes, the cop thinks they have already taken care of it and then does not show up for the trial de novo. Also, by this time, over six months have gone by. Even if the prosecution witness (cop) was going to try and fight me, they probably have no memory of any of it.

On the day of the trial I drove to Bakersfield, CA, a place I have never been nor care to return to. The lazy arrogant cop did not show up. I won. The judge ordered my $200 bail returned. See how easy that was? For goodness sakes, don't be a stupid lazy slug. Fight your tickets! Save your money!

Now, for more on the details about this particular cop's refusal to give me the county seat. I did not write this above because since people are stupid, if you give them too much information at once, their eyes glaze over and they get confused, and overwhelmed. Since my goal is to encourage everyone to fight tickets, I do not want to make it seem complicated. Nevertheless, if you're still interested, here goes.

Now I do not want readers to come away with the notion that asking for the County Seat will cause a problem for them with every traffic cop. I have demanded the County Seat for nearly every ticket I have gotten over the last ten years, since I learned what the County Seat was. I have rarely had any problem getting the cop to write the county seat on the ticket. I know that it's my right, and I wasn't going to take no for an answer. If the officer does not write the county seat courthouse on the ticket in the space where it demands you to appear, then you will not get the county seat as a location of your arraignment. In my case, I reiterated that I want the County Seat and stated that if she doesn't give it to me, I will write the words "UNDER PROTEST 40502B" next to my name. I knew that if I didn't sign the citation, I could be arrested, so I never refused to sign it. My notation of 40502b would simply be proof of redress, to demand a judge later transfer the hearing to the county seat, since I am entitled to it and demanded it at the time of signature. The woman cop then threatened to arrest me, impound my truck, and keep me in jail for the weekend if I did that!

Wow. "You are a criminal, and will be held accountable for what you're doing right now", I told her. I continued, "I hope this is being recorded, because I will get the county seat, and I am filing a formal complaint against you for civil rights violations. Now call your supervisor".

This type of thing is not a joke or a game. I did not shout, curse, or resist. I simply informed the shrew that I am a Catholic Constitutionalist who knows the law, who wins when I go to court, and who does not put up with petty tyrant lawbreakers.

I think it shocked the officer when I called her a criminal in front of half a dozen people. But I was serious. I literally meant that yes, she was a criminal. There was absolutely no reason or just cause for her to threaten me with arrest simply because I demanded the county seat! That is literally, crazy. I have beaten about 14 tickets over the last 10 years, including winning a case in the Superior Court of Appeals, where I wrote my own legal briefs. This is not to brag, but simply to tell others that if you simply do a little research, study the laws, and demand your DUE PROCESS, anyone can win.

I told the crazy shrew cop that I want to speak with her supervisor, and when she refused to call one, I demanded their phone number. Finally, she rattled off a phone number. I called it with my cell phone, and the phone on the counter next to her rang. She answered, and I heard her both in person and on the phone. "Why are you giving me your phone number when I asked for the number of your supervisor?" I asked into the phone. The bystanders laughed, seeing the crazy absurdity of it all.

After about a half hour of making me wait to try and punish me, the criminal cop finally gave me the ticket. Since I had spent so much time calling her on her illegal refusal to grant me the county seat, she finally renigged and wrote the county seat on the ticket, and I left.

I proceeded to file an official complaint against this officer, (though the mail) which will stay on her record for 5 years. I suspect that another reason the officer did not show up for the trial is that she did not want to be subject to cross examination by me; (that actually would have been fun). I kept my $200 bucks, and I won.


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#1. To: Artisan (#0)

Assuming that all these mailings are done Certified - Return Receipt?

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-09-25   14:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

yes, i get the electronic return receipt instead of the green card. its cheaper, about a buck 15, and you can access it and print their signtaure online. certified is not required, but recommended since otherwise they may lie and deny getting it.

since texas allows jury trials for traffic tickets, i would definitely opt for that if i lived in texas. that would really muck up their system. i dealt with a texas ticket a few years ago. i couldnt go back there and go to court to fight it, but i got a deferred dispostion, which is good info to know:


Deferred disposition an option for Californians ticketed in Texas
11/23/09

When my wife and I went to Texas last year, I was pulled over three times in less than 2 weeks. Two of the three stops resulted in written 'warnings', but one of them resulted in a speeding citation. I suppose it might have been the California plates that stood out like a sore thumb, screaming 'easy money' to the revenue (traffic) officers.

The first cop who stopped us was a real piece of work. We had driven two vehicles out there and I was driving east on interstate 10 in my truck,some distance in front of my wife, when a cop pulled me over. My wife, after approaching us, then pulled over to wait for me and parked on the shoulder behind the cop car. The cop, not knowing the situation, walked up to her and asked what she was doing. She told him that she had pulled over to wait for her husband, the driver of the truck, to which the cop replied "no you didn't! you stopped because I pulled you over for speeding too!" Now, how a cop pulls someone over who is a half mile behind him is something that I would have loved to see play out in court. The sad fact is that for whatever reason, this officer boldly lied, claiming to have pulled my wife over only after finding out that we were together. My wife, not disliking police as I do, (yet at least) was surprised and unusually disgusted at this blatant outrage. The liar only gave us each a warning, though, instead of a ticket. Nevertheless, the reputation of Texas traffic cops had been inexorably established. 

The second time I got pulled over, it was late at night and we had had dinner with some friends in Austin and were on our way to Kempner. The cop approached me going the opposite direction on the highway, then flipped a U turn and pulled me over. He had purportedly used his radar gun, and gave me a ticket for speeding. Now in California, I always fight my traffic tickets and have beaten eight of them- piece of cake. In Texas, they still allow jury trials for traffic tickets, (this was done away with in California years ago, under governor Reagan).  I would have loved to gone to a jury trial for a traffic ticket, but circumstances didn't allow it, as we were back home in California when my trial date came around.

I had pled not guilty after getting several extensions, and when the trial date approached, realizing I could not make it to Leander, TX in person, I weighed my options. I didn't want the conviction to go on my record, but Leander court told me that I could not qualify for traffic school unless I had a TX drivers license. I ended up looking up traffic ticket lawyers in Texas and finally found one who returned my call. I told them I wanted to plead not guilty and asked them how much they would charge to represent me in traffic court. They said they could make it so that the ticket would not go on my record, and would charge around $300 bucks plus whatever the ticket fees were. I asked for details about what tactic they would use and their secretary told me they would file for what's called a deferred disposition.

Now $300 bucks seemed a bit steep, especialy since I'm a cheapskate, so I thanked them for their time and put google to work. Low and behold, as usual, I found that with a little legal research i could do it myself! An out of state driver can file for a request for a DEFFERRED DISPOSITION  through the mail. Basically there are a number of conditions that the judge may require for this deferrment. In my case  it involved paying a fee, and promising not to get a  ticket in Texas for three months. If I did this, and then sent them a notarized statement at the conclusion of the three months,  it would not go on my driving record. Now this is a compromise, and certainly not my ideal solution, since I never like pleading guilty, or paying government fines or penalties if at all possible. But, considering Leander was 1500+ miles away, paying a fee but not having a ticket on my record with increased insurance rates for three years was an acceptable compromise. 

The Leander court staff had been  very friendly and helpful over the phone for many months, but had never told me about the deferred disposition option until I asked them about it. They then mailed me the form and I sent it back to them with a money order in it. After three months, I sent them the notorized signed form, along with the second half of the fees, and a confirmation that i had complied with their terms by not getting another ticket in TX. It was then permanently removed from my record. Below is some of the text included on the form:

The deferral begins _____ and ends ____ 
 
"Under the authority of article 45.051, 45.0511 and 45.053, Texas code of criminal procedure, the court orders finding of guilty shall not be final and that no judgement shall be rendered thereon, and the imposition of the fine suspended for // days from this date, on the condition that the defendant complete the following (items checked) and provide proof of same:

1) pay State Fees of $102 by (no personal or business checks)

2) PAY A SPECIAL EXPENSE FEE OF $114 BY -----

3) NOTIFY THIS OFFICE IMMEDIATELY OF ANY CHANGE IN ADDRESS

6) Shall not be subsequently convicted of any moving traffic violation incurred in the state of Texas during the state deferral period, regardless of final conviction date.

15) Upon the completion of the deferral period return to the Leander municipal court a copy of the affidavit below, notarized, stating you have complied with this order. (failure to sign affidavit will result in conviction being reported to dps even if all fees have been paid)

The court further orders that if at the conclusion of the deferral period, the defendant presents the above required evidence that he/she has complied with the conditions imposed, the case will be dismissed.

If the defendant fails to keep the terms of this deferral, the deferral may be revoked, the original fee imposed and the conviction may be reported as required by law and a warramt may issue for your arrest.
 

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"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-09-25   14:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Artisan (#2)

I remember well you guys' motoring adventures in the Friendship state.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-09-25   15:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Artisan, Lod, abraxas (#2)

I suppose it might have been the California plates that stood out like a sore thumb, screaming 'easy money' to the revenue (traffic) officers.

which is why I do the limit or less in Nevada. Oddly enough it has also slowed my driving in CA. weird. cops were out in force for street vibrations too. twice I saw rows of motorcycle cops waiting with radar trained. Glad I got out of town before the bullets started flying!

farmfriend  posted on  2011-09-25   15:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: farmfriend, 4 (#4)

Cruise control is our friend.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-09-25   16:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: farmfriend (#4)

Glad I got out of town before the bullets started flying!

WTH?!?!?!? You were in town and didn't call me? Huuummmmmpppppffff!

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

abraxas  posted on  2011-09-25   17:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Artisan (#0)

".... my goal is to encourage everyone to fight tickets...... if everyone did that, maybe (the cops would) spend their time actually protecting and serving the public instead of handing out tickets all day to people who are harming no one."

Too many people on the highways are either drunk, on drugs, on the phone, stupid, or nearly blind. Some of the above are even driving around with 80,000 lb loads. There are a lot of bad laws, but I can't think of any bad traffic laws. Would you really want no cops on the highways?

In the first instance the hyped-up thug was guilty. In your case, you were guilty.

Women measure everything with a 3' cloth dressmaker tape or a 12" keychain tape.

I don't get it. Why demand to know where the County Seat is if you can look it up on the Internet in two minutes? If you start "demanding to know" things like that, the cop is going to, at the minimum, start taking notes so that he'll remember your case in court, or, just as likely, find something else to give you a ticket for, knowing that if you have to fight two citations you'll be less likely to bother fighting at all. If a cop only finds one thing wrong with a tractor trailer at a weigh station, he's in a good mood. Any California Highway Patorl officer could probably find a couple of things wrong with a tractor/trailer without even getting underneath the vehicle.

That's fine if you drive locally. If you don't, you're just as likely to be unloading in NY or Florida on court day as anywhere near Bakersfield.

But let's say you just happen to be home on court day and you only live 100 miles from Bakersfield. The average driver drives 100,000 -150,000 miles a year. What will he most want to do on his day off? Take a trip to Bakersfield? I don't think so. If you're out of state 9 - 10 mos a year you probably don't own a car either. And nobody in their right mind would want to drive a tractor 200 miles without a trailer, so you'll either have to rent a car or take the whole truck to Bakersfield.

200 miles at 4.5 miles per gallon is 44 gals of fuel at $4 gallon (I'm guessing that's what you're paying) = $177 plus the cost of a couple of meals. All that to save $200 for a non moving violation?

Why not just maintain the correct distance between your kingpin and rear axles? You probably weren't even overweight, right?

That said, you really do get screwed if you drive a truck and want to fight a ticket. 95% of the time all you can do is write a letter to the court and tell them you can't appear because you live out of state and to please tell you what the fine is so that you can mail it to them. So IF you want to fight a ticket, anything you can do without having to appear, like postponing or getting a trial by declaration, etc., is a good idea. In the end, you might get lucky.

Big Meanie  posted on  2011-09-26   14:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Big Meanie (#7)

you might get lucky

I don't need luck. The 'county seat' doesnt mean I ask where it is. It means motorists have a right to a change of venue.(where the matter is heard).So for example youre ticketed in Palm Springs, that county seat is in Riverside; the pig must go very far

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-09-27   0:46:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Big Meanie (#7)

you were guilty

Why would you claim that? Presumption of innocence, remember. The prosecution witness didnt show, the judge tossed it. And EVEN IF the tires were more than 40, (a completely unproven claim) the state still doesnt deserve $200. Insanity. No way.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-09-27   0:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#9)

"...you were guilty"

"Why would you claim that?"

I didn't really know if you were guilty or not, I was just razzing you about that part. I assumed that you were guilty because of the way you told the story. Was it the Cabazon/Banning weigh station? I got a couple tickets there myself.

Does that mean you can request a hearing at any courthouse in that county, or do you only have a choice between Riverside and Palm Springs?

Big Meanie  posted on  2011-09-27   11:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Big Meanie (#10)

CVC 40502b.If you live or work closer to the county seat (main venue for each county),IF you request it @ the time the ticket is given, then youre entitled to it.It is merely a premptive measure.Palm Springs,in Riv county& Riv county seat is in Riverside

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-09-27   12:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Big Meanie (#10)

sorry, I'm on a phone which limits the characters i can insert. You could stay in the local palm springs court if you wished, but then.you wouldnt need the county seat. If you live towards LA though. it'd save you time & cost the cop time & distance.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-09-27   13:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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