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Title: Might As Well Vote for Obama
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URL Source: http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2011/tle638-20110925-02.html
Published: Sep 27, 2011
Author: L. Neil Smith
Post Date: 2011-09-27 13:07:18 by christine
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Views: 353
Comments: 33

Grin and Bear It was the name of a Sunday comic strip I loved. Its writer/artist went by the name George Lichty. When I was a kid, he did one I've always remembered. In Stalinist Russia, two bureaucrats with star-shaped "Hero" medals on their chests stand either side of an office safe with a broken door. One of the two is lamenting, "Is terrible news, Comrade! Someone is stealing results of next week's election!"

Welcome to 21st century America.

You've seen it yourself, and recently. The state-controlled "news" media announce that Michelle Bachmann (or Herman Cain or whoever) wins a "straw poll", while Mitt Romney (or some other zombie) takes third, and Rick Perry, a southern-fried born-again New Englander pretending to be something real, trades him—in this instance—for fourth place.

Guess who came in second.

Notice that there's no question mark at the end of that sentence, because it's not a question—it's an instruction. All any of us can do is guess, because the round-heeled press, those well-known ladies and gentlemen of the evening, are paid obscene salaries not to tell you. And to help cram another mercantilist goon down our collective throat.

Mitt Romney (if you'll pardon the expression) wants to allow the Federal Reserve cartel—the real reason that the rich grow richer in this country and the poor grow poorer—an alien excrescence on these shores and a self-confessed deadly enemy of the people of America and their Constitution, continue to bleed the Productive Class as if nothing at all untoward had happened here, on or since September 11, 2001.

Or since 1913, for that matter.

While he attacks Obamacare, when he was governor of Massachusetts, this pathetic excuse for a leader imposed a brutal system of "healthcare" on the state precisely as evil and pernicious as the current federal mess, and he will not renounce it or apologize for it, even though it's rapidly destroying the state and the wellbeing of its people. He is also a stubborn purveyor of the great pseudoscientific hoax of our times—global warming—perhaps in hopes that he will be the one to wield the power it offers to ambitious and authoritarian politicians.

He is a meat-puppet for the Israeli government, the only thing he seems to disagree with the United Nations about. He's a big fan of Agenda 21.

Romney's record on defending the unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right of every man, woman, and responsible child, to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon— rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—any time, any place, without asking anyone's permission, is comparable to that of Charles Schumer, Carolyn McCarthy, and Sarah Brady. Like them, he is clearly of the opinion that it's better to see a woman raped in an alley and strangled with her pantyhose than see her with a gun in her hand.

Online sources I consulted seemed surprised that many areas of Michigan considered safe for Democrats voted for Romney in the straw poll there. What's to be surprised? He is as conservative as Barney Frank, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi. The R after his name stands for "RINO". At best, electing Romney would be like reelecting the Bushes, the Wimp or the Idiot. More likely, it would be like reelecting Obama, an unthinkability we'll get back to in a moment—with extreme prejudice.

Now as to Rick Perry. Like so many other individuals who know absolutely nothing, philosophically, ethically, about what it means to be a human being, he yearns to criminalize a woman's control over her own body—in the context of abortion, what else?—nationalize and enslave her uterus, presumably for the same reason that Hitler did, to provide cannon fodder for the wars in the Middle east and elsewhere he enjoys.

Like every other Republican candidate—with the exception of the guy whose straw poll results we don't get to hear about—Perry is a warmonger.

Sadly, he's also wishy-washy on he environment, citing the green things he has "accomplished" out of one side of his mouth, while correctly identifying global warming as a hoax out of the other. Once again we see that to a politician, a "green job" is one that hauls in plenty of green, from environmentalist pressure groups, crony capitalists building phlogiston factories, and voters who have been misled into mistaking the exhalation of carbon dioxide for Original Sin.

The man also doesn't seem able to sort out his various conflicting views on economic freedom, often calling for reductions in taxation and regulation without daring to refer to first principles concerning property rights and self-ownership—the only thing that's going to save America, if America is to be saved—and abolishing them altogether. He doesn't really mean free trade, or seem to know what it is. All he wants is a different regulatory regime than we suffer under now. And he's as snakily forked-tongue about unions as he is about environmentalism.

One thing he's very clear about: there's no such thing as gay rights. Just as there's no such thing as the human rights protected by the Fourth and Fifth Amendments if you happen to be stuck in public housing—thanks largely to taxation and regulation stifling the free market—and resent the mandatory police state drug sweeps he's proud of.

Probably worst of all, the man can't seem to keep his religion in his pants, and takes possibly the most cowardly position on evolution—meaning antievolution—that I've seen in politics so far, citing various unspecified "recent findings" that he never gets around to identifying.

Naturally, the conservatives aren't any better, not in any way that our Founding Fathers—including Frederic Bastiat, Lysander Spooner, Leonard Reed, Ayn Rand, and David Nolan—would be able to identify.

Many times over many years, I have heard—initially in Fort Walton Beach, Florida, from my high school biology teacher who was also a lay-preacher in the Baptist church—that God buried fossils—and jiggered the rate of radioactive decay in minerals—simply as a test of our faith. They say He got his raw materials by drowning most of the animal and plant kingdom, not to mention all but a handful of the human race, in a gigantic snit. Einstein had it wrong: God is both tricky and mean. And nasty-tempered and murderous into the bargain.

Sarah Palin has been fairly cagey about all this—she even made the Constitutionally and scientifically correct decision about having Alaska school kids indoctrinated in the fraudulently-labeled "creation science"—but Michelle Bachmann swallows it whole, or at least she claims to, and, given some other indications, I'm inclined to believe her. I don't know about Herman Cain (I have my suspicions) or Gary Johnson.

H.L. Mencken went to some pains to point out more than eighty years ago, that anybody with more than a third grade education who refuses to acknowledge the most firmly-established body of facts in science, the process of evolution by natural selection—accepted by an overwhelming majority of Christian denominations by the way—is a moron. Sorry, but there's simply no better word for it. If you would rather have a baboon for President than be a monkey's uncle, you're a moron.

Thus I was disappointed, even a little surprised, when I heard Ron Paul, a physician with a scientific education and more than passing acquaintance with the architecture and operation of the human body, its wonders and shortcomings, claim not to "believe" in evolution. If he's telling the truth, not simply pandering to his perceived constituency, it's the first thing I've ever heard the man say that was stupid. If he is posturing, then it's the first time I've ever heard him tell a lie.

For what it's worth, a person doesn't "believe" in evolution, any more than he "believes" in gravity; it's just there, an aspect of objective reality, regardless of whatever he chooses to believe, and he ignores it at his peril. Me, I've long been interested in a wrinkle of human evolution that may account for the insatiable lust that some individuals manifest for power over others. If that's something Charles Darwin led us to, that alone justifies our interest in his ideas.

But once again, I have digressed.

It is tragic but undeniably true that each and every one of these candidates has serious problems of one kind or another, that render them unfit for any public office, including dogcatcher. The media- acclaimed frontrunners, Romney and Perry, are the absolute worst of the lot. Ron Paul and Herman Cain and Gary Johnson could end this Depression overnight, albeit at the cost of my daughter's personal sovereignty.

It's equally tragic but true that the establishment—including the owners and operators of the Republican Party—are going to fob Romney or Perry on us at the expense of those who actually know what they're doing and are willing to do it. If Paul, by some fluke, were actually to capture the nomination, the RINOs would do the same thing to him that they (a "they" that includes Mitt's daddy, George) did to Barry Goldwater: go limp on their own candidate and let the Democrats win.

That was my introduction to national politics. But this time, it's going to be different. If it happens as I describe, I will spend whatever time I have left, and every resource at my command to make sure that the Republicans—Socialist Party B—never elect another President.

Nominate—and fully support—Ron Paul, and I will hold my nose and vote for him, apologizing to the women in my family. Before I vote for another stiff like Romney or Perry, I will vote for Obama, let the poor country slide completely into ruins, and rebuild on the ashes afterward.

Call it a game of chicken on a global scale.

I'm up for it, Republicans, are you?


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#1. To: christine, 4 (#0)

I will vote for Obama, let the poor country slide completely into ruins, and rebuild on the ashes afterward.

I'm not so sure the nation will ever slide into ruins. IMO it's more likely we'll morph into a new entity, joining together with Britain and Israel, to form a new, formal, power block. Eventually we'll be part of a NATO-like arrangement with China and Russia being forced to link arms in opposition. Welcome to the Cold War Part II.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-09-27   13:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

If I was King there would be very few problems.

All hail Turtle!

"Terrorism is when the innocent are murdered due to the evil actions of the guilty." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2011-09-27   13:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

For what it's worth, a person doesn't "believe" in evolution, any more than he "believes" in gravity; it's just there, an aspect of objective reality, regardless of whatever he chooses to believe, and he ignores it at his peril.

But what about if it isn't "there" as this guy (and most others who believe in Darwin's theory think about it?

ORIGINS – AN INTRODUCTION by Phillip Day

A short excerpt:

This book will expose just how far we’ve been bamboozled by ‘the experts’, who have robbed us of our faith, sold us a shoddy bill of goods and even killed us. Such ‘experts’ have by their greed and unassailable sense of right eschewed the passion for going where the evidence led them and finished up snake-oil charlatans posing as men of learning, dreaming up their own fairy-tales and flogging them to the public as fact.

I am not anti-capitalist, anti-science, anti-politics, anti-religion, anti-medicine or one of those slipper-wearing, tree-hugging potato-heads trying to bust us back to the Wind Age. I’m an ordinary citizen and I’m fed up. In fact, I’ve been fed up for quite a while now, so I’m taking you on this little excursion so you can consider to what extent we’ve been sold down the river by intellectual prostitutes who mock the public’s intelligence, pontificate absurdities and expect us to believe them. I’ve always wanted to do a book like this.

No area of science and religion, no zone of society has been immune from their brutality. Overarching the lot is the quackery of evolution, which I studied for years in one of Britain’s great learning institutions, Charterhouse, before realising I’d been had. Evolution is the idea that we’re nothing but a piece of pond slime that washed up on a beach four million years ago, then began evolving through a series of blind, random mistakes into the splendid creatures we are today. All this in spite of the Second Law of Thermodynamics which, author Wendy Wallace takes haste to remind us, holds that we’re actually devolving back into pond scum and our minds are so far along in the process we can’t figure it out.1

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

"...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-09-27   16:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#0)

Might As Well Vote for Obama

You gotta be joking me! ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-09-27   16:51:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#0)

Nominate—and fully support—Ron Paul, and I will hold my nose and vote for him, apologizing to the women in my family. Before I vote for another stiff like Romney or Perry, I will vote for Obama, let the poor country slide completely into ruins, and rebuild on the ashes afterward.

Call it a game of chicken on a global scale.

I'm up for it, Republicans, are you?

Sure

I'm not a republican......

but unless the stupid party nominates Dr. Paul, or another equally qualified candidate - I'll join you and vote to re-elect Obama.

Gridlock

Jameson  posted on  2011-09-27   20:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jameson (#5)

hahahaha..no, Jameson, i'd never vote for obama. i posted the article only for the parts i bolded in the commentary. i'll only be voting if Ron Paul secures the nomination.

christine  posted on  2011-09-27   20:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#6)

hahahaha..no, Jameson, i'd never vote for obama.

To prevent another "bush-like" president - who might very well have a republican house and senate?

I'd give it serious thought.

Jameson  posted on  2011-09-27   20:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#0)

Thought provoking commentary from The Libertarian Enterprise.

Who put "all" of those turds in the punch bowl ?

Americans are a desparately dysfunctional society that mirrors a battered wife; too weak to fight back and beginning to enjoy the rush caused by the constant abuse.

noone222  posted on  2011-09-27   20:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jameson (#7)

To prevent another "bush-like" president - who might very well have a republican house and senate?

I'd give it serious thought.

Surely you jest !

Americans are a desparately dysfunctional society that mirrors a battered wife; too weak to fight back and beginning to enjoy the rush caused by the constant abuse.

noone222  posted on  2011-09-27   20:50:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

I'm not so sure the nation will ever slide into ruins. IMO it's more likely we'll morph into a new entity, joining together with Britain and Israel, to form a new, formal, power block. Eventually we'll be part of a NATO-like arrangement with China and Russia being forced to link arms in opposition. Welcome to the Cold War Part II.

We have always been joined together with Britain and Israel, and have already slid into ruins and we are part of a NATO and UN arrangement. Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran, Germany and Venezuela, among others, have linked arms against us. Welcome to WW3.

It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?

angK  posted on  2011-09-27   21:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jameson (#7)

I'd give it serious thought.

"Vote for Obama" is not really a serious thought, at least not for sentient beings.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

"...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-09-27   21:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#9)

Surely you jest !

Of course not -

While I'm disappointed in the Obama administration's performance, with the exception of Dr. Paul - there is a better chance for an end to the war on taxpayers with divided government than with one of the other globalist, big- government tools who are currently in contention.

If the stupid party nominates another war-mongering, freedom-hating, big-donor pandering, ass-bite..... there will be a substantial number of independent voters who will vote for divided government over a replay of the disaster that was the bush administration.

IMHO

Jameson  posted on  2011-09-27   22:03:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#0)

Isn't it possible to write-in Ron Paul? It is my understanding that it could be quite successful if he was the only candidate for the Libertarian Party.

Presidential primaries

In 1928, Herbert Hoover won the Republican Massachusetts presidential primary on write-ins, polling 100,279.

In 1940, Franklin D. Roosevelt won the Democratic New Jersey presidential primary with 34,278 write-ins.

In 1944, Thomas Dewey won the Republican Pennsylvania presidential primary with 146,706 write-ins. He also won the Oregon Republican presidential primary with 50,001 write-ins.

In 1948, Harold Stassen won the Republican Pennsylvania presidential primary with 81,242 write-ins.

In 1952, Robert Taft won the Republican Nebraska presidential primary with 79,357 write-ins.

Also in 1952, Estes Kefauver won the Democratic Pennsylvania presidential primary with 93,160 write-ins.

Also in 1952, Dwight Eisenhower won the Republican Massachusetts presidential primary with 254,898 write-ins.

In 1956, Dwight Eisenhower won the Republican Massachusetts presidential primary with 51,951 write-ins.

In 1960, Richard Nixon won the Republican Massachusetts presidential primary with 53,164 write-ins.

Also in 1960, John F. Kennedy won the Democratic Pennsylvania presidential primary with 183,073 write-ins, and he won the Democratic Massachusetts presidential primary with 91,607 write-ins.

It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?

angK  posted on  2011-09-27   22:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: James Deffenbach (#11)

"Vote for Obama" is not really a serious thought, at least not for sentient beings.

Better than a vote for perry, romney, santorum, cain, bachmann etc..........

perhaps.........

Jameson  posted on  2011-09-27   22:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jameson (#14)

Better than a vote for perry, romney, santorum, cain, bachmann etc..........

perhaps........

You don't have to vote for any of those people--you can always vote for Donald Duck or Pluto. And before I would vote for Obama or any of the people you listed I would vote for Donald or Daffy Duck.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

"...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-09-27   22:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: James Deffenbach (#15)

I would vote for Donald or Daffy Duck.

I prefer Wylie the coyote; he seems to represent my needs.

CadetD  posted on  2011-09-27   23:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: angK (#13)

The problems with write in votes, at least in some states, is that they don't count and it doesn't matter how many votes someone gets. If they aren't on the ballot then as far as the establishment controllers are concerned they don't exist. I write in as a protest sometimes but it's never counted. Just my way of showing them that I refuse to vote for Tweedledumb or his ideological twin, Tweedledumber.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

"...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-09-28   0:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: CadetD (#16)

I prefer Wylie the coyote; he seems to represent my needs.

The Road runner is a good choice too--anyone or anything other than establishment whore/statists.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

"...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-09-28   0:13:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: christine (#0)

Thus I was disappointed, even a little surprised, when I heard Ron Paul, a physician with a scientific education and more than passing acquaintance with the architecture and operation of the human body, its wonders and shortcomings, claim not to "believe" in evolution. If he's telling the truth, not simply pandering to his perceived constituency, it's the first thing I've ever heard the man say that was stupid. If he is posturing, then it's the first time I've ever heard him tell a lie.

It is not stupid and is not a lie, it is what he believes. Many also believe the same and many of them are also not stupid. But, there are plenty that are stupid that believe in Evolution.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-09-28   0:50:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: RickyJ (#19)

But, there are plenty that are stupid that believe in Evolution.

Many evolutionists have come to agree that evolution could not have succeeded without intelligent design. Is that stupid?

It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?

angK  posted on  2011-09-28   1:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: RickyJ (#19)

But, there are plenty that are stupid that believe in Evolution.

Many evolutionists have come to agree that evolution could not have succeeded without intelligent design. Is that stupid? It is the perfect compromise.

It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?

angK  posted on  2011-09-28   1:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jameson (#12)

If the stupid party nominates another war-mongering, freedom-hating, big-donor pandering, ass-bite.....

Puleeze ... you're describing both parties. They are all war mongering, control freaks that think your stuff is theirs. (And they're right it is theirs !)

There is no redeeming the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK GOVT just like there's no redeeming an FRN. Both are fiat, both are a fraud, and people that still vote for these ass-bites may as well help Santa Claus ready his sleigh.

Jameson, there are still quite a few on this forum that think the FEDERAL debacle can be corrected. I'm not one of them.

Here's the rub. Most Americans have been convinced that the problem is political in nature. So, they continue to run around like kids playing doctor in a sense. They keep voting for lying ass-bites regardless of which party label they wear. "ALL FEDS are FRAUDS."

The problem (and the solution) is actually commercial in nature. The monetary system using commercial paper instead of real money (gold/silver) causes a change in applicable law. The Law of the Land (Constitutional Law) relies upon gold/silver coin to operate.

As long as we have any tie to the commercial paper system we are living in a non-constitutional environment. The FED IS THE PROBLEM not the insignificant ass-hats that we call politicians. They are simply puppets that benefit by keeping the Americam people stupid and content to vote (joke) for more of the same old shit.

Whether it's Ron Paul or Obama, Bill Clinton or George Bush, Richard Nixon or Jimmy Carter, they are all frauds that operate in a commercial system that can legally deny your (Constitutional) rights because in effect you have forfeited the Constitution in exchange for permission to use and access the benefits of their FEDERAL RESERVE COMMERCIAL PAPER SYSTEM.

Until people realize what the enemy is they can't resist.

Here's the fundamental rule. choice of law clause legal definition n

A provision in a contract in which the parties stipulate that any dispute between them arising from the contract shall be determined in accordance with the law of a particular jurisdiction. If the dispute is litigated, the choice is not binding, but is normally honored, by the court hearing the lawsuit. The choice is binding if the dispute is arbitrated. See also choice of forum clause.

The medium of exchange (type of money) dictates the choice of law in all commerce unless some other choice is specified in a contract between the parties. Simply put, the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM (strictly commercial) has accomplished a hostile takeover of the United States. They own it, and that's why we see incremental disclosures that scream "there ain't no fucking constitution" while the puppet political class try to keep you stupid enough to think there is a constitution in spite of a myriad of direct violations of what you think are your rights. The FEDERAL (reserve bank) GOVT exists in a commercial jurisdiction and it is NON-CONSTITUTIONAL.

You don't have any fucking rights in a commercial system, only privileges.

Until someone in a position to broadcast this info with a wide audience informs enough people that they are buying the rope that will stretch their own neck when they use the commercial paper system, nothing will change. The return of Constitutional Law, Constitutional Rights and the Law of the LAND are all based on land based MONEY (Gold/Silver) - whereas the system you're in relies upon fraud and false promises to pay (FRNs).

It's really not complicated for honest people to see what's happening. The hard part is for people that have acquired a taste for material things and conveniences through this commercial system that want to keep their shit and still bitch about losing their rights. When you begin to see the FEDERAL (reserve bank) SYSTEM as one that's dependent upon and actually RELIES COMPLETELY on false promises and then open your eyes to the kazillion false promises and lies you've been told your entire life, you cannot still believe this is what you were taught America was all about in school.

The truth is that you have to willingly ignore the bullshit and rely upon cognitive dissonance to carry on as if everything is OK we just need to elect a better person or modify a rule or regulation. That is a very blatant fucking lie, you know it's a lie but you keep telling yourself this bullshit because you're scared shitless to admit the truth, that you too are a bought and paid for whore for the system.

Once you stop making excuses for yourself and your participation in the system you should get a sick feeling in your stomach about the millions of innocent kids YOU HAVE MURDERED through your proxy - Uncle Sambo ! At least tell yourself the truth !

Americans are a desparately dysfunctional society that mirrors a battered wife; too weak to fight back and beginning to enjoy the rush caused by the constant abuse.

noone222  posted on  2011-09-28   4:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: All (#0)

Puleeze ... you're describing both parties. They are all war mongering, control freaks that think your stuff is theirs. (And they're right it is theirs !)

There is no redeeming the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK GOVT just like there's no redeeming an FRN. Both are fiat, both are a fraud, and people that still vote for these ass-bites may as well help Santa Claus ready his sleigh.

There are still quite a few on this forum that think the FEDERAL debacle can be corrected. I'm not one of them.

Here's the rub. Most Americans have been convinced that the problem is political in nature. So, they continue to run around like kids playing doctor in a sense. They keep voting for lying ass-bites regardless of which party label they wear. "ALL FEDS are FRAUDS."

The problem (and the solution) is actually commercial in nature. The monetary system using commercial paper instead of real money (gold/silver) causes a change in applicable law. The Law of the Land (Constitutional Law) relies upon gold/silver coin to operate.

As long as we have any tie to the commercial paper system we are living in a non-constitutional environment. The FED IS THE PROBLEM not the insignificant ass-hats that we call politicians. They are simply puppets that benefit by keeping the Americam people stupid and content to vote (joke) for more of the same old shit.

Whether it's Ron Paul or Obama, Bill Clinton or George Bush, Richard Nixon or Jimmy Carter, they are all frauds that operate in a commercial system that can legally deny your (Constitutional) rights because in effect you have forfeited the Constitution in exchange for permission to use and access the benefits of their FEDERAL RESERVE COMMERCIAL PAPER SYSTEM.

Until people realize what the enemy is they can't resist.

Here's the fundamental rule. choice of law clause legal definition n

A provision in a contract in which the parties stipulate that any dispute between them arising from the contract shall be determined in accordance with the law of a particular jurisdiction. If the dispute is litigated, the choice is not binding, but is normally honored, by the court hearing the lawsuit. The choice is binding if the dispute is arbitrated. See also choice of forum clause.

The medium of exchange (type of money) dictates the choice of law in all commerce unless some other choice is specified in a contract between the parties. Simply put, the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM (strictly commercial) has accomplished a hostile takeover of the United States. They own it, and that's why we see incremental disclosures that scream "there ain't no fucking constitution" while the puppet political class try to keep you stupid enough to think there is a constitution in spite of a myriad of direct violations of what you think are your rights. The FEDERAL (reserve bank) GOVT exists in a commercial jurisdiction and it is NON-CONSTITUTIONAL.

You don't have any fucking rights in a commercial system, only privileges.

Until someone in a position to broadcast this info with a wide audience informs enough people that they are buying the rope that will stretch their own neck when they use the commercial paper system, nothing will change. The return of Constitutional Law, Constitutional Rights and the Law of the LAND are all based on land based MONEY (Gold/Silver) - whereas the system you're in relies upon fraud and false promises to pay (FRNs).

It's really not complicated for honest people to see what's happening. The hard part is for people that have acquired a taste for material things and conveniences through this commercial system that want to keep their shit and still bitch about losing their rights. When you begin to see the FEDERAL (reserve bank) SYSTEM as one that's dependent upon and actually RELIES COMPLETELY on false promises and then open your eyes to the kazillion false promises and lies you've been told your entire life, you cannot still believe this is what you were taught America was all about in school.

The truth is that you have to willingly ignore the bullshit and rely upon cognitive dissonance to carry on as if everything is OK we just need to elect a better person or modify a rule or regulation. That is a very blatant fucking lie, you know it's a lie but you keep telling yourself this bullshit because you're scared shitless to admit the truth, that you too are a bought and paid for whore for the system.

Once you stop making excuses for yourself and your participation in the system you should get a sick feeling in your stomach about the millions of innocent kids YOU HAVE MURDERED through your proxy - Uncle Sambo !

At least tell yourself the truth !

Americans are a desparately dysfunctional society that mirrors a battered wife; too weak to fight back and beginning to enjoy the rush caused by the constant abuse.

noone222  posted on  2011-09-28   4:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: noone222 (#22)

I thought I was a cynic....

You've re-defined cynicism - and delivered quite the overly-dramatic rant - good job!

So what's your solution? What are you prepared to do TODAY? What is your advice to the readers of this forum?

Jameson  posted on  2011-09-28   5:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jameson (#24)

What is your advice to the readers of this forum?

A wise guy I used to work with once told me that advice is worth what you pay for it !

That being said, I should also add that I have been on this forum for quite a long time and the elder statesmen here already know that I continually, persistently and emphatically (ad nauseum) recommend that we all pull out of their parasitic system, renew our own (constitutional / common law / honest money) system and let the parasites feed off of each other.

Their system depends on our participation. If it were up to me there wouldn't be a FEDERAL RESERVE or a FEDERAL RESERVE BANK GOVT.

Lastly, it's all about beliefs. Their system only works because humanity has been trained to believe it does.

Americans are a desparately dysfunctional society that mirrors a battered wife; too weak to fight back and beginning to enjoy the rush caused by the constant abuse.

noone222  posted on  2011-09-28   7:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: angK (#21)

The simple fact is there is no evidence for macro evolution, only micro evolution, which does not lead to new species.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-09-28   7:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: RickyJ (#26)

The problem with most people who believe in the theory of evolution as posited by Darwin is that it has become a religion to them.

“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.” - Leo Tolstoy

Those who believe, as the author of this article does, that evolution is just "there" cannot seem to account for the number of people that would be populating the earth today if their theory was correct.

Geologist Dr John Morris remarks:

“Observation of Earth’s population and population growth supports a young Earth…. Starting one million years ago, with a growth rate of 0.002% and a present population of six billion, can you guess how many people would have lived and died throughout history? …There should be 10 to the 8600th people alive today. That’s 10 with 8600 zeros following it. …The number is so large it is meaningless, and it’s approximately the number which could just fit inside the volume of the entire Earth! If all these people lived and died, where are their bones? Why are human bones so scarce?”

Source: ORIGINS – AN INTRODUCTION

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

"...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-09-28   12:34:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: noone222 (#25)

I continually, persistently and emphatically (ad nauseum) recommend that we all pull out of their parasitic system, renew our own (constitutional / common law / honest money) system and let the parasites feed off of each other.

ok, I'm game - what would the first step be?

Jameson  posted on  2011-09-28   12:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jameson (#28)

I'm home for lunch and have to run - I'll reply later this evening or early in the A.M.

Basically you have to rescind all agreements with any and all legal fictions, which means banks, corporations and government.

Americans are a desparately dysfunctional society that mirrors a battered wife; too weak to fight back and beginning to enjoy the rush caused by the constant abuse.

noone222  posted on  2011-09-28   13:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jameson (#24)

and delivered quite the overly-dramatic rant - good job!

LoL. welcome to 4um! it is a great place to read the daily new & to gain knowledge, as well as share it.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-09-28   14:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: All (#29)

I've outlined the program to detach onesself from the criminal cabal we commonly call the U.S. many times. Anyone that's interested in withdrawing has every right to do so as long as they're willing to accept the good with the bad and are ready, willing, and able to fight the cockroaches we laughingly call public servants and their lawyers.

Explaining the process to every curious soul is a pain in the ass especially when most haven't decided for theirself where they stand with respect to a rogue and criminal government.

To operate outside of the system "alone" requires some balls which seems to me lacking in America these days. I also think it takes a spiritual commitment and TRUST in the GOD that created all things to provide adequate protection from the very evil elements that run the U.S. Govt.

That being said, in my own situation I decided that man had been threatening to correct himself through secular humanism for thousands of years without an iota of success or improvement. Actually, mankind has only improved their methods of raping, robbing and murdering each other. I'd add that I looked at the churches and found them unfaithful to their own instruction manual (Bible).

Keep in mind that I exited the system nearly 30 years ago. I have had a number of run-ins with the STATE ORGANS and have survived them with my conscience, integrity, and resolve more evident with each encounter.

I've had it relatively easy for a few years (well 20 years). My approach has been to demonstrate the fallacies and inconsistencies of the FEDERAL BULLSHIT GOVERNMENT (owned and operated solely for the benefit of the banksters, politicians and internationalists)to those trying to enforce the Laws without coming across like a wild-eyed patiotard. I make it my mission to show the absurdities and contradictions in THEIR laws without treating them like enemies. Some of them feel just like many of us and are good people.

I have made very good long term friends with local judges and prosecutors and have been invited to speak publicly about my exit from the system and why I did it BY THE COUNTY PROSECUTOR (that I also share Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner with annually).

I live in a very small town where everyone really knows everyone else. I would advise this to anyone living in a metro area. Cities are going to burn. Here, we notice outsiders immediately and if the situation arose could eliminate them knowing that a very fair appraisal of the action would prevail.

I digress. I wanted to speak to the commitment issue because it definitely requires a lot of study in the law and mechanics of the court system. But even more than this it takes faith in the God that created you to enjoy life, liberty, and happiness. I'm speaking of a fervent TRUST that gives one the ability to KNOW that God will protect you because you have acted upon a belief, not simply because you believe.

I don't pretend to comprehend God fully, but there are immutable laws that once understood make it possible to have a deal with God. Like, God can't lie. So, if promises have been made they will be kept unless we violate some provision of the promise.

[Side Note:] God is the Supreme Lawmaker in the Universe (aside from everything else).

Truth is many claim faith but theirs is a noun, a "thing" called faith preached by modern pulpit prostitutes. Faith is a verb, an operation based upon beliefs.

The reason I'm making such a big deal about God and faith is that without these two fundamentals when we are tested or better said "Threatened" by the "authorities" it's easy to shrink away from our position or forfeit to those threatening us.

After years of sending out info, and assisting others that "say" they want to exit the system or stand against tyranny I have witnessed so much cowardice and ignorance that I have determined anyone serious will find things out for their self and ask for help on occasion. It is necessary for them to learn what it takes to defend ones position because no one can do that for them in a court.

I've gone into court and found the other side had 9 attorneys there to attack me. So, it's not always a comfortable situation and one must have more than an attitude towards government or taxes. It's a spiritual battle carried out by men against godliness and the contentment that comes with it.

To comprehensively explain in detail what has to be done to undo everything that has taken years of indoctrination and commitment to get into the system in a single response to a seemingly casual inquiry is impossible for me to do.

When I did the things that I felt were necessary to publicly withdraw from the commercial and criminal system typewriters were in vogue, so much of what I did is in a filing cabinet and not stored on a hard drive. Suffice it to say I made every effort to formally and publicly NOTICE every corporate/governmental agency / enttity that I had ever had contact with to make certain they knew my position and had every opportunity to address any error they may have felt I was making.

I have to ready myself for another day of planting wheat. If you like we can continue this dialogue later.

Americans are a desparately dysfunctional society that mirrors a battered wife; too weak to fight back and beginning to enjoy the rush caused by the constant abuse.

noone222  posted on  2011-09-29   8:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: noone222 (#29)

Basically you have to rescind all agreements with any and all legal fictions, which means banks, corporations and government.

I see,

So resend all agreements with all legal fictions.... (factions?)

Banks, corporations and government.

Not very realistic is it? Perhaps a tiny number individuals can actually go off the grid.....but the vast majority simply cannot.

It is impossible for 99.999% (or more) of the population of the USA to function without the ability to earn money, interact with corporations and deal with the government.

So your suggestion is unreasonable. Best of luck to you.

Just wondering.....how do you access the internet?

Jameson  posted on  2011-10-02   15:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jameson (#32)

Just wondering.....how do you access the internet?

You have to be a little bit creative but it doesn't appear that you have the capability or the grit.

"ALL" legal fictions without exception are FRAUD. This FRAUD creates an illusion that is destroying America. Please, quit helping the enemy any way you can. Resistance is victory.

noone222  posted on  2011-10-03   14:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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