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Title: Proof that christians are morally compromised.
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Published: Oct 5, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-10-05 09:03:04 by PSUSA2
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#38. To: lead.and.lag (#36)

...that you have to cripple your mind

All religions teach that to some extent or another. The beauty of it is that IF you can't control your mind you are a slave to it and hence you create your own hell.

"Fear NOT, ye of little faith." You have now traded your fear of hell for fear of "Christian terrorists" so I'd say you are no better off for it.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas (#38)
(Edited)

you have to cripple your mind

All religions teach that to some extent or another

so, if you're a compulsive joiner, you're willing to cripple your mind to become one of the pack.

there are certain circumstances, commonly known as "reality", that will, sooner or loater, discipline your mind.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lead.and.lag (#35)

you have willingly crippled your mind.

can you give us one reason anyone with any sense should pay attention to you?

I'm not the one in fear and I'm not a "victim" of any religion.....that's your cross to bear.

Nope. You have free will to pay attention to whatever you wish to pay attention to....hurry, get under the bed "Christian terrorists" are lurking. lol

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lead.and.lag (#39)

so, if you're a compulsive joiner

"reality", that will, sooner or loater, discipline your mind.

Stop projecting......you are the "compulsive joiner" not I. lol

No, sooner or loater (lol) it will not......do tell, what is "reality" that you speak of?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:06:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: abraxas (#41)

you've admitted you've willingly crippled your mind, but you havent explained why rational people should pay attention to you.

why is that?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:08:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lead.and.lag (#42)

you've admitted you've willingly crippled your mind, but you havent explained why rational people should pay attention to you.

Oh, do tell, how have I "crippled" my mind?

You haven't provided any indication of rationality yet. A "rational" person would accept that nobody has asked you to pay attention and a "rational" person would ask themselves why they continue to do so. Why do you need any explanations from me in regards to where you place your attention?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: abraxas (#40)

hurry, get under the bed "Christian terrorists" are lurking.

LOL! Dey beze bad!!!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

"...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-10-05   19:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: abraxas (#43) (Edited)

...you have to cripple your mind

All religions teach that to some extent or another

you agree that all religions require you to cripple your mind.

you seem to be a christian.

what are we supposed to think of your pretenses at rationality?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lead.and.lag (#45)

you agree that all religions require you to cripple your mind.

you seem to be a christian.

what are we supposed to think of your pretenses at rationality?

My point of agreement comes from a greater depth of reading and attempting to understand MULTIPLE faiths and with no judgment as you place on it. What you deem to "cripple" any person's mind is actually your own inability to understand and your feeling of having been "led astray" in your quest for understanding. Simply because you feel crippled by your limited understanding, doesn't mean that the rest of us feel this way.

You think this because your understanding is limited to that which is Christian. Hence, you can only grasp a concept from this limited perspective, but you are in error in attempting to limit mine.

What are you/we to think? I am not here to tell you what to think......that is your job. A rational person thinks for themselves.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: abraxas (#46)

A rational person thinks for themselves.

if a rational person thinks for themselves, why are you swallowing dogma that cripples your mind?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)

free will is not based on fear, it is inherent in us as humans. In other words, no one is forcing us to do anything. True faith is not based on fear of hell, but in love. As an aside, surely the concept of punishment of evil makes sense to you. It must.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   19:32:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lead.and.lag (#47)

dogma that cripples your mind?

are you a freemason? You sound like jefferson who on his deathbed fretted over "breaking the chains of monkish superstition". To him, the moral law of God was impeding his idea of 'liberty'.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   19:37:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Artisan (#49) (Edited)

You sound like jefferson

so jefferson was a bad guy, huh?

the devil must have made him cut and paste the bible into a version that made sense.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lead.and.lag (#47)

why are you swallowing dogma that cripples your mind?

What dogma would this be? You seem to be "crippled" from your experiences because you went to others to think for you and now you feel that you are a "victim" from what they "taught" you about religion. I don't suffer this affliction.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: abraxas (#51) (Edited)

you apparently are swallowing christian dogma that you admit is crippling your mind.

is this some kind of womanly logic we're witnessing, here?

women are supposed to be illogical, flighty, inconsistent thinkers... why are you confirming the stereotype?

why are the male believers conforming to the female stereotype?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:43:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lead.and.lag (#52)

you apparently are swallowing christian dogma that you admit is crippling your mind.

Apparently, your reading comprehension has been crippled too. lol

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:45:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: abraxas (#53)

why are you swallowing dogma that cripples your mind?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lead.and.lag (#54)

why are you swallowing dogma that cripples your mind?

A mind can only be crippled if it thinks it can be crippled. Not only do you see or think yourself as having been crippled, but now you see crippled minds EVERYWHERE...even where they do not exist. You suffer weak thinking, but I don't have this affliction. : )

Change your thoughts lead.and.lag......and change your world. Your world is crippled. Mine is strong, vibrant and healthy. Are you going to answer my question about reality? How about dogma? Your diversion is duly noted.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: abraxas (#55)

you are evidence that minds can be crippled.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: All (#56)

is abraxas stupid, or worse?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: lead.and.lag (#52)

women are supposed to be illogical, flighty, inconsistent thinkers... why are you confirming the stereotype?

why are the male believers conforming to the female stereotype?

You are comical......a victim of religion who sees the world in shades of blame offering his weak and fragile commentary on genders.

Do you ever answer any questions for yourself or do you just keep spewing them ad nauseum in an attempt to divert from your own intellectual inadequacies?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: lead.and.lag (#56)

Oh no, I think your weak and fragile little emotions are hurt. Sniff, sniff.

Is that the best you can do? lol

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   20:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: abraxas (#58) (Edited)

to sum up...

abraxas admits that religions cripple believers' minds.

she's a believer, yet we're expected to take her seriously, even though she admits her mind is crippled.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: abraxas (#55)

crippled mind, crippled mind, crippled mind, crippled mind.

This is actuallly a funny thread. The references to being 'mistreated' in Sunday school reminds me of those books by Bradshaw all about 'the inner child' & the hell on earth many shackle themselves with from memories years past. Eegads.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Artisan (#61)

This is actuallly a funny thread.

I'm getting a good laugh out of it too! So many Sunday school victims in this world. Oh de humanity! : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   20:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Artisan (#61) (Edited)

Sunday school victims

you got to admit that only a religion of love would terrorize children with visions of hell, in order to recruit believers.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lead.and.lag (#63)

I agree with you that fear, particularly fear of demons & hell, is no way to introduce children to Christianity. That is a very wrong tact & is not what Jesus did. I am sorry if that is what you experienced.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Artisan (#64) (Edited)

the concept of hell is universal... and christians exploit that.

christianity is based more on terrrorism than love, and you just cant get around that fact.

the concept of hell is based on the fact that normal people have a conscience.

the people running the world now, including the religious poohbahs, have no conscience.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: lead.and.lag (#65)

Christianity certainly shouldnt terrorize anyone.One can believe that hell exists without exploiting it to scare kids to death. If i can ask, what religion were you raised in? That may help me to understand your position better.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: lead.and.lag (#65)

and christians exploit that.

christianity is based more on terrrorism than love, and you just cant get around that fact.

No they did not. As I stated before, you find the word hell NINE times in the NT. Love is mentioned twice as much. lol

You can find hell many more times in the Koran.....the Vedas.......the Devaduta Sutta is page after page of hell, hell, hell. Jainism describes seven levels of hell. How can you continue to do comparative religious discourse without having any knowledge of hell beyond what you found in Christianity?

There is no more exploitation in Christianity than in any other religion. You will have to go Taoism to avoid the concept completely.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   20:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Artisan (#66)

what religion were you raised in?

my mother sent me to church and bible school... my dad was an atheist.

the easter egg hunts were fun, and there was a point, as a child, that i loved jesus... who wouldnt?

the fact remains: christianity is a terrorist organization.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: All (#68) (Edited)

the fact remains: religions exploit humans' conscience to recruit members.

we all have a conscience, at least most of us...

we dont nned religion to have a conscience, especially when the religion is a predatory terrorist organization.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: lead.and.lag (#68)

The reason I asked what religion you were was to determine who exactly taught you that way.If it were a protestant, where did he get his 'credentials', etc. Probably minimal, which is why there are not really 1000's of Christian sects.Only one true church

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: All (#69)

SATAN'S WEBSITE

tinyurl.com/q7ax

Itistoolate  posted on  2011-10-05   20:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Artisan (#70)

Only one true church

logic and facts

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: All (#72)

i will say it one more time...

we dont need religion because we all have a conscience.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:45:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: lead.and.lag (#72)

If one believes Jesus is the Son of God & came to establish His church, it would not make sense to have 1000s of sects disagreeing on everything.Thats not logical. Jesus established one Universal Catholic church. Luther went astray.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Artisan (#74)

if you got a conscience, why do you need the catholic church, martin luther, or a thousand sects of christianity?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: lead.and.lag (#73)

true, God (our Creator) gave us a conscience. We have free will to choose good or evil. Faith in the Messiah Jesus Christ is a gift which many do not understand. Pride & ego deludes them into believing that there is no Sovereign God of the universe.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Artisan (#74)

Jesus established one Universal Catholic church.

how do you know that? is that what the Catholic church teaches? is that biblical? i'm asking respectfully. ;)

christine  posted on  2011-10-05   20:53:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Artisan (#76) (Edited)

God (our Creator) gave us a conscience.

ah.

that clears everything up, doesnt it?

nevermind that a in our everday contact with other people, the most successful survival strategy is justice, fairness, and cooperation.

so we've been breeding for hundreds of thousands of years for "conscience".

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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