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Title: Proof that christians are morally compromised.
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Published: Oct 5, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-10-05 09:03:04 by PSUSA2
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Comments: 180


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Take off the glasses. Or leave them on. Your choice. But you do have a choice.

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Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 76.

#1. To: PSUSA2 (#0)

Also, why would anyone worship a deity
that they are supposed to fear?
I do not fear the Lord.

wakeup  posted on  2011-10-05   10:30:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: wakeup (#1)

Also, why would anyone worship a deity that they are supposed to fear?

It's all built on fear. Fear of "god", fear of the king, fear of the prophets/priests, fear of "hell", fear of the future, etc

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-10-05   12:19:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: PSUSA2 (#2)

It's all built on fear

all?

God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of sound mind. Timothy, i,7

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   18:24:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: abraxas (#19)

God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of sound mind.

Is that what you see? I sure don't see it.

Perhaps the catholic torturers comforted themselves with that very scripture as they stretched people on the rack.

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-10-05   18:35:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: PSUSA2 (#26)

Is that what you see? I sure don't see it.

How could you miss it? I think that you expected others to find what only you can find for yourself. Now you are disappointed that "they" led you astray, as if you are some "victim" of religion.

Personally, you could toss out all of the NT save the Sermon on the Mount and, if you followed it, you would be the LIGHT of the world......few opt to go that route though. Most are looking for somebody else to tell them how to get to the kingdom.

You should simply accept that Christianity was made political long ago, but that doesn't alter the initial intent of Jesus Christ and His teachings.....go read the Sermon on the Mount again and you will "see" it more clearly.

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   18:45:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: abraxas (#33)

You should simply accept ...

...that you have to cripple your mind and submit to christian terrorists if you're gonna avoid hell.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   18:55:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lead.and.lag (#36)

...that you have to cripple your mind

All religions teach that to some extent or another. The beauty of it is that IF you can't control your mind you are a slave to it and hence you create your own hell.

"Fear NOT, ye of little faith." You have now traded your fear of hell for fear of "Christian terrorists" so I'd say you are no better off for it.

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:02:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas (#38) (Edited)

you have to cripple your mind

All religions teach that to some extent or another

so, if you're a compulsive joiner, you're willing to cripple your mind to become one of the pack.

there are certain circumstances, commonly known as "reality", that will, sooner or loater, discipline your mind.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:04:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lead.and.lag (#39)

so, if you're a compulsive joiner

"reality", that will, sooner or loater, discipline your mind.

Stop projecting......you are the "compulsive joiner" not I. lol

No, sooner or loater (lol) it will not......do tell, what is "reality" that you speak of?

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:06:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: abraxas (#41)

you've admitted you've willingly crippled your mind, but you havent explained why rational people should pay attention to you.

why is that?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:08:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lead.and.lag (#42)

you've admitted you've willingly crippled your mind, but you havent explained why rational people should pay attention to you.

Oh, do tell, how have I "crippled" my mind?

You haven't provided any indication of rationality yet. A "rational" person would accept that nobody has asked you to pay attention and a "rational" person would ask themselves why they continue to do so. Why do you need any explanations from me in regards to where you place your attention?

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:11:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: abraxas (#43) (Edited)

...you have to cripple your mind

All religions teach that to some extent or another

you agree that all religions require you to cripple your mind.

you seem to be a christian.

what are we supposed to think of your pretenses at rationality?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:13:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lead.and.lag (#45)

you agree that all religions require you to cripple your mind.

you seem to be a christian.

what are we supposed to think of your pretenses at rationality?

My point of agreement comes from a greater depth of reading and attempting to understand MULTIPLE faiths and with no judgment as you place on it. What you deem to "cripple" any person's mind is actually your own inability to understand and your feeling of having been "led astray" in your quest for understanding. Simply because you feel crippled by your limited understanding, doesn't mean that the rest of us feel this way.

You think this because your understanding is limited to that which is Christian. Hence, you can only grasp a concept from this limited perspective, but you are in error in attempting to limit mine.

What are you/we to think? I am not here to tell you what to think......that is your job. A rational person thinks for themselves.

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:23:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: abraxas (#46)

A rational person thinks for themselves.

if a rational person thinks for themselves, why are you swallowing dogma that cripples your mind?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:26:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lead.and.lag (#47)

why are you swallowing dogma that cripples your mind?

What dogma would this be? You seem to be "crippled" from your experiences because you went to others to think for you and now you feel that you are a "victim" from what they "taught" you about religion. I don't suffer this affliction.

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:42:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: abraxas (#51) (Edited)

you apparently are swallowing christian dogma that you admit is crippling your mind.

is this some kind of womanly logic we're witnessing, here?

women are supposed to be illogical, flighty, inconsistent thinkers... why are you confirming the stereotype?

why are the male believers conforming to the female stereotype?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:43:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lead.and.lag (#52)

you apparently are swallowing christian dogma that you admit is crippling your mind.

Apparently, your reading comprehension has been crippled too. lol

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:45:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: abraxas (#53)

why are you swallowing dogma that cripples your mind?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   19:48:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lead.and.lag (#54)

why are you swallowing dogma that cripples your mind?

A mind can only be crippled if it thinks it can be crippled. Not only do you see or think yourself as having been crippled, but now you see crippled minds EVERYWHERE...even where they do not exist. You suffer weak thinking, but I don't have this affliction. : )

Change your thoughts lead.and.lag......and change your world. Your world is crippled. Mine is strong, vibrant and healthy. Are you going to answer my question about reality? How about dogma? Your diversion is duly noted.

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   19:54:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: abraxas (#55)

crippled mind, crippled mind, crippled mind, crippled mind.

This is actuallly a funny thread. The references to being 'mistreated' in Sunday school reminds me of those books by Bradshaw all about 'the inner child' & the hell on earth many shackle themselves with from memories years past. Eegads.

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:06:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Artisan (#61) (Edited)

Sunday school victims

you got to admit that only a religion of love would terrorize children with visions of hell, in order to recruit believers.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:11:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lead.and.lag (#63)

I agree with you that fear, particularly fear of demons & hell, is no way to introduce children to Christianity. That is a very wrong tact & is not what Jesus did. I am sorry if that is what you experienced.

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:16:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Artisan (#64) (Edited)

the concept of hell is universal... and christians exploit that.

christianity is based more on terrrorism than love, and you just cant get around that fact.

the concept of hell is based on the fact that normal people have a conscience.

the people running the world now, including the religious poohbahs, have no conscience.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:19:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: lead.and.lag (#65)

Christianity certainly shouldnt terrorize anyone.One can believe that hell exists without exploiting it to scare kids to death. If i can ask, what religion were you raised in? That may help me to understand your position better.

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:26:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Artisan (#66)

what religion were you raised in?

my mother sent me to church and bible school... my dad was an atheist.

the easter egg hunts were fun, and there was a point, as a child, that i loved jesus... who wouldnt?

the fact remains: christianity is a terrorist organization.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:31:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: lead.and.lag (#68)

The reason I asked what religion you were was to determine who exactly taught you that way.If it were a protestant, where did he get his 'credentials', etc. Probably minimal, which is why there are not really 1000's of Christian sects.Only one true church

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:42:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Artisan (#70)

Only one true church

logic and facts

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:43:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: All (#72)

i will say it one more time...

we dont need religion because we all have a conscience.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:45:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: lead.and.lag (#73)

true, God (our Creator) gave us a conscience. We have free will to choose good or evil. Faith in the Messiah Jesus Christ is a gift which many do not understand. Pride & ego deludes them into believing that there is no Sovereign God of the universe.

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:51:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#78. To: Artisan (#76) (Edited)

God (our Creator) gave us a conscience.

ah.

that clears everything up, doesnt it?

nevermind that a in our everday contact with other people, the most successful survival strategy is justice, fairness, and cooperation.

so we've been breeding for hundreds of thousands of years for "conscience".

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05 20:54:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Artisan (#76)

Pride & ego deludes them into believing that there is no Sovereign God of the universe.

On the other hand, pride and ego (and might I add arrogance) convince men that the Sovereign God of the Universe would look like a man, and that he would grant them a book written by other men as His Own and True Word.

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-05 21:18:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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