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Title: Proof that christians are morally compromised.
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Published: Oct 5, 2011
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#64. To: lead.and.lag (#63)

I agree with you that fear, particularly fear of demons & hell, is no way to introduce children to Christianity. That is a very wrong tact & is not what Jesus did. I am sorry if that is what you experienced.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Artisan (#64)
(Edited)

the concept of hell is universal... and christians exploit that.

christianity is based more on terrrorism than love, and you just cant get around that fact.

the concept of hell is based on the fact that normal people have a conscience.

the people running the world now, including the religious poohbahs, have no conscience.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: lead.and.lag (#65)

Christianity certainly shouldnt terrorize anyone.One can believe that hell exists without exploiting it to scare kids to death. If i can ask, what religion were you raised in? That may help me to understand your position better.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: lead.and.lag (#65)

and christians exploit that.

christianity is based more on terrrorism than love, and you just cant get around that fact.

No they did not. As I stated before, you find the word hell NINE times in the NT. Love is mentioned twice as much. lol

You can find hell many more times in the Koran.....the Vedas.......the Devaduta Sutta is page after page of hell, hell, hell. Jainism describes seven levels of hell. How can you continue to do comparative religious discourse without having any knowledge of hell beyond what you found in Christianity?

There is no more exploitation in Christianity than in any other religion. You will have to go Taoism to avoid the concept completely.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   20:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Artisan (#66)

what religion were you raised in?

my mother sent me to church and bible school... my dad was an atheist.

the easter egg hunts were fun, and there was a point, as a child, that i loved jesus... who wouldnt?

the fact remains: christianity is a terrorist organization.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: All (#68) (Edited)

the fact remains: religions exploit humans' conscience to recruit members.

we all have a conscience, at least most of us...

we dont nned religion to have a conscience, especially when the religion is a predatory terrorist organization.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: lead.and.lag (#68)

The reason I asked what religion you were was to determine who exactly taught you that way.If it were a protestant, where did he get his 'credentials', etc. Probably minimal, which is why there are not really 1000's of Christian sects.Only one true church

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: All (#69)

SATAN'S WEBSITE

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Itistoolate  posted on  2011-10-05   20:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Artisan (#70)

Only one true church

logic and facts

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: All (#72)

i will say it one more time...

we dont need religion because we all have a conscience.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:45:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: lead.and.lag (#72)

If one believes Jesus is the Son of God & came to establish His church, it would not make sense to have 1000s of sects disagreeing on everything.Thats not logical. Jesus established one Universal Catholic church. Luther went astray.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Artisan (#74)

if you got a conscience, why do you need the catholic church, martin luther, or a thousand sects of christianity?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: lead.and.lag (#73)

true, God (our Creator) gave us a conscience. We have free will to choose good or evil. Faith in the Messiah Jesus Christ is a gift which many do not understand. Pride & ego deludes them into believing that there is no Sovereign God of the universe.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   20:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Artisan (#74)

Jesus established one Universal Catholic church.

how do you know that? is that what the Catholic church teaches? is that biblical? i'm asking respectfully. ;)

christine  posted on  2011-10-05   20:53:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Artisan (#76) (Edited)

God (our Creator) gave us a conscience.

ah.

that clears everything up, doesnt it?

nevermind that a in our everday contact with other people, the most successful survival strategy is justice, fairness, and cooperation.

so we've been breeding for hundreds of thousands of years for "conscience".

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   20:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: christine (#77)

(contd) conceded even by early writings of protestant leaders). Luther may have had some legit beefs, but the when Jesus told Peter he is the rock upon which I will build my church, the 1st Papacy was established.EVERY priest can be traced directly to him

by asking 'is that biblical' presumes "Sola Scripture" (google it) which means that the Bible alone is the source of truth. (a protestant view). Since the Catholic church was established before the Bible & the Church gave us the Bible, (a point conceded e

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   21:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: lead.and.lag (#73)

we dont need religion because we all have a conscience.

What you are not grasping is that most people do not go to church to grow or to find a conscience.......they go for companionship, support, to fulfill social "needs" and for cookies.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   21:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: abraxas (#80) (Edited)

conscience is a survival mechanism.

if you're so lame that you cant tell the difference between right and worng without your bible, you're an idiot.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   21:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: christine (#77)

I realize that my protestant pals here will disagree,but if one thinks about it, How could the 'preechers on the corner' all have such variant views (the rapture for example)&be of the true Christian church? That seems to be disorder of the highest order.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   21:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Artisan (#79)

Jesus told Peter he is the rock upon which I will build my church,

Then why did the church omit the Apocalypses of Peter in lieu of John's Revelations? It was a close match and early Christians really liked the Apocalypses of Peter. No gospels from the rock doesn't make a lot of sense, especially when Peter is deemed as more important than John in Apostle position for the Catholic Church.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   21:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: All (#81) (Edited)

smoking them out

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   21:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: lead.and.lag (#81)

conscience is a survival mechanism.

No it isn't. Animals survive without what humans consider a "conscience" and put far more emphasis on FEAR as a survival mechanism. Serial killers and sociopaths are deemed to have no conscience.....yet they survive while their prey does not.

Completely BASE people with very little conscience survive all the time all around you. They would tell you that a conscience is a mechanism that subverts survival. Knowing the difference between right and wrong isn't a "survival mechanism" at all. A poor kid who steals to eat may know that it is "morally" wrong but that will take a back seat to his understanding that FOOD will keep him alive.

You are confusing apples and oranges.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   21:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: lead.and.lag (#84) (Edited)

smoking them out

Put down the bong....lol.

PS.....every time you send an SOS for others to read your posts and rally your cause, it is right after you type words that aren't worthy of the attention you wish to bring to them. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   21:15:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: abraxas (#85) (Edited)

Animals survive without what humans consider a "conscience"

ah

you're admitting that you're an animal, so you have no mind at all, other than an animalistic that lives by "might makes right".

good enough

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   21:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: lead.and.lag (#81)

does your conscience lead you to believe that being so nasty on an internet discussion board is right or wrong? calling strangers lame, idiot, crippled etc. is the good way to behave? Come on now. We dont have to degrade others just because we disagree.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   21:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Artisan (#76)

Pride & ego deludes them into believing that there is no Sovereign God of the universe.

On the other hand, pride and ego (and might I add arrogance) convince men that the Sovereign God of the Universe would look like a man, and that he would grant them a book written by other men as His Own and True Word.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-05   21:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Artisan (#88) (Edited)

being so nasty on an internet discussion board

so i'm "nasty" because you cant explain why most humans know what's right and what's wrong without having to refer to the bible.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   21:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: lead.and.lag (#87)

good enough

Conscience is obviously another big word that you do not comprehend......like rational, reality, mind, dogma.

Are you in middle school? You argue like a middle school girl who has just learned to reason while having no experience regarding what is reasoned.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   21:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: lead.and.lag (#90)

Part of knowing right from wrong is being spiritual. By "spiritual" I mean that a person IS somehow in touch with something greater than him or herself, and that greater knowledge is what forms the basis of the human conscience.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-05   21:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: FormerLurker (#92)

people know right from wrong... it's built into them.

they dont need a bunch of religious bullshit.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   21:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: FormerLurker (#92)

i got to say that anyone who uses "spiritual" is suspect...

it's not a matter of "spirituality", it's a matter of common sense... if you dont want to be fucked over, you dont fuck over other people.

simple.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   21:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: abraxas (#83)

The fact that these writings were not accepted into the Bible by the Church sort of proves my point that the Catholics, agree or disagree with them, were the determinates of what stayed or went, This determination was made long before the reformation.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   21:30:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: lead.and.lag (#93)

people know right from wrong... it's built into them.

The only thing "built" into people is instinct. Even animals function beyond pure instinct, and that is why it is obvious to me at least that they have a soul.

Humans who poison their souls with evil lose whatever conscience they had, where they become capable of extremely horrific and cruel acts. History bares that out.

they dont need a bunch of religious bullshit.

You don't need to be religious to be spiritual. Spirituality comes with an affinity to Nature, or the Universe in general.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-05   21:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Artisan (#95)

sort of proves my point that the Catholics, agree or disagree with them, were the determinates of what stayed or went,

Surely doesn't prove they were right. Proves that they selected texts that placed them in the precarious position of middle men between God and the serfs, which turned out to be a great way to gain power, authority and massive amounts of wealth.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-05   21:34:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: FormerLurker (#96) (Edited)

Spirituality comes with an affinity to Nature

nature is completely unaware of common sense, physics, chemistry, or human nature.

thank goodness

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   21:35:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: abraxas, Artisan (#97)

Surely doesn't prove they were right. Proves that they selected texts that placed them in the precarious position of middle men between God and the serfs, which turned out to be a great way to gain power, authority and massive amounts of wealth.

Where did God ever claim to have written the books of the bible?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-05   21:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: lead.and.lag (#98)

nature is completely unaware of common sense, physics, chemistry, or human natue.

Nature is all of the above, plus more.

Energy can not be created or destroyed. If you look at a human soul as a intelligent animated being of energy, then that soul lasts forever. The collection of souls is what forms the collective knowledge of all that ever lived, or will ever live. And THAT could be called God..

OR, that which created the souls in the first place would be the Supreme God of All, not just this Universe, but that of the infinite number of universes which more than likely exist.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-05   21:40:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: FormerLurker (#89)

It's not that God is seen as like a man, in a masculine image. It's the opposite. God created man in His image. Thus men are creative, & give life in the human process.Women, created through man, are by nature more submissive (this isnt derogatory)& mates

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-05   21:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: All (#98) (Edited)

i guess what you have to come to terms with is this: christianity and judaism are obsolete....

they dont work anymore except on the most animalistic might makes right basis.

so you can have wars until you cant afford them anymore, you can have nuke wars that kill billions outright, you can fade away.

the fact remains: if you have to have religion, the only religion that makes sense will be a religion that worships the earth's capacity to sustain life.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-05   21:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Artisan (#101)

God created man in His image.

Have you actually read the original Hebrew? That's not what it says.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-05   21:43:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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