This is actuallly a funny thread. The references to being 'mistreated' in Sunday school reminds me of those books by Bradshaw all about 'the inner child' & the hell on earth many shackle themselves with from memories years past. Eegads.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
I agree with you that fear, particularly fear of demons & hell, is no way to introduce children to Christianity. That is a very wrong tact & is not what Jesus did. I am sorry if that is what you experienced.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
Christianity certainly shouldnt terrorize anyone.One can believe that hell exists without exploiting it to scare kids to death. If i can ask, what religion were you raised in? That may help me to understand your position better.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
christianity is based more on terrrorism than love, and you just cant get around that fact.
No they did not. As I stated before, you find the word hell NINE times in the NT. Love is mentioned twice as much. lol
You can find hell many more times in the Koran.....the Vedas.......the Devaduta Sutta is page after page of hell, hell, hell. Jainism describes seven levels of hell. How can you continue to do comparative religious discourse without having any knowledge of hell beyond what you found in Christianity?
There is no more exploitation in Christianity than in any other religion. You will have to go Taoism to avoid the concept completely.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
The reason I asked what religion you were was to determine who exactly taught you that way.If it were a protestant, where did he get his 'credentials', etc. Probably minimal, which is why there are not really 1000's of Christian sects.Only one true church
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
If one believes Jesus is the Son of God & came to establish His church, it would not make sense to have 1000s of sects disagreeing on everything.Thats not logical. Jesus established one Universal Catholic church. Luther went astray.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
true, God (our Creator) gave us a conscience. We have free will to choose good or evil. Faith in the Messiah Jesus Christ is a gift which many do not understand. Pride & ego deludes them into believing that there is no Sovereign God of the universe.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
(contd) conceded even by early writings of protestant leaders). Luther may have had some legit beefs, but the when Jesus told Peter he is the rock upon which I will build my church, the 1st Papacy was established.EVERY priest can be traced directly to him
by asking 'is that biblical' presumes "Sola Scripture" (google it) which means that the Bible alone is the source of truth. (a protestant view). Since the Catholic church was established before the Bible & the Church gave us the Bible, (a point conceded e
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
we dont need religion because we all have a conscience.
What you are not grasping is that most people do not go to church to grow or to find a conscience.......they go for companionship, support, to fulfill social "needs" and for cookies.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I realize that my protestant pals here will disagree,but if one thinks about it, How could the 'preechers on the corner' all have such variant views (the rapture for example)&be of the true Christian church? That seems to be disorder of the highest order.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
Jesus told Peter he is the rock upon which I will build my church,
Then why did the church omit the Apocalypses of Peter in lieu of John's Revelations? It was a close match and early Christians really liked the Apocalypses of Peter. No gospels from the rock doesn't make a lot of sense, especially when Peter is deemed as more important than John in Apostle position for the Catholic Church.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
No it isn't. Animals survive without what humans consider a "conscience" and put far more emphasis on FEAR as a survival mechanism. Serial killers and sociopaths are deemed to have no conscience.....yet they survive while their prey does not.
Completely BASE people with very little conscience survive all the time all around you. They would tell you that a conscience is a mechanism that subverts survival. Knowing the difference between right and wrong isn't a "survival mechanism" at all. A poor kid who steals to eat may know that it is "morally" wrong but that will take a back seat to his understanding that FOOD will keep him alive.
You are confusing apples and oranges.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
PS.....every time you send an SOS for others to read your posts and rally your cause, it is right after you type words that aren't worthy of the attention you wish to bring to them. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
does your conscience lead you to believe that being so nasty on an internet discussion board is right or wrong? calling strangers lame, idiot, crippled etc. is the good way to behave? Come on now. We dont have to degrade others just because we disagree.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
Pride & ego deludes them into believing that there is no Sovereign God of the universe.
On the other hand, pride and ego (and might I add arrogance) convince men that the Sovereign God of the Universe would look like a man, and that he would grant them a book written by other men as His Own and True Word.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Part of knowing right from wrong is being spiritual. By "spiritual" I mean that a person IS somehow in touch with something greater than him or herself, and that greater knowledge is what forms the basis of the human conscience.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
The fact that these writings were not accepted into the Bible by the Church sort of proves my point that the Catholics, agree or disagree with them, were the determinates of what stayed or went, This determination was made long before the reformation.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
people know right from wrong... it's built into them.
The only thing "built" into people is instinct. Even animals function beyond pure instinct, and that is why it is obvious to me at least that they have a soul.
Humans who poison their souls with evil lose whatever conscience they had, where they become capable of extremely horrific and cruel acts. History bares that out.
they dont need a bunch of religious bullshit.
You don't need to be religious to be spiritual. Spirituality comes with an affinity to Nature, or the Universe in general.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
sort of proves my point that the Catholics, agree or disagree with them, were the determinates of what stayed or went,
Surely doesn't prove they were right. Proves that they selected texts that placed them in the precarious position of middle men between God and the serfs, which turned out to be a great way to gain power, authority and massive amounts of wealth.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Surely doesn't prove they were right. Proves that they selected texts that placed them in the precarious position of middle men between God and the serfs, which turned out to be a great way to gain power, authority and massive amounts of wealth.
Where did God ever claim to have written the books of the bible?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen