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Title: DINOSAUR and HUMAN FOOTPRINTS TOGETHER
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Published: Oct 14, 2011
Author: Paul and Poker Face
Post Date: 2011-10-14 06:12:12 by HOUNDDAWG
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Introduction: In early July, 2000 Alvis Delk, assisted by James Bishop (both of Stephenville, Texas), was working in the Cretaceous limestone on the McFall property at the Paluxy River near Glen Rose, Texas and discovered a pristine human footprint intruded by a dinosaur footprint. This discovery was made in the vicinity of McFall I and II Sites where the Creation Evidence Museum team has excavated since the Spring of 1982. The eleven-inch human footprint matches seven other such footprints of the same dimensions in the “Sir George Series,” named in honor of His Excellency Governor General Ratu Sir George Cacobau of Fiji.[2] Scientific Verification of Footprint Authenticity: The fossil was transported to a professional laboratory where 800 X-rays were performed in a CT Scan procedure. Laboratory technicians verified compression and distribution features clearly seen in both prints, human and dinosaur. This removes any possibility that the prints were carved or altered. Importance of Discovery: Professor James Stewart Monroe, writing in Journal of Geological Education candidly asserted that “Human footprints in geologically ancient strata would indeed call into doubt many conventional geological concepts.”[3] Professor David H. Milne of The Evergreen State College, Olympia, Washington and Professor Steven D. Schafersman of the Department of Geology, Rice University, Houston, Texas made further admissions in writing that “Such an occurrence, if verified, would seriously disrupt conventional interpretations of biological and geological history and would support the doctrines of creationism and catastrophism.”[4] Professor Steven M. Stanley in The New Evolutionary Timetable opined that “any topsy-turvy sequence of fossils would force us to rethink our theory…As Darwin recognized, a single geographic inconsistency would have nearly the same power of destruction.”[5]
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#1. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
More crap about Paluxy River at this late date?? The Paluxy River has genuine dinosaur prints ... but during the Depression, to try to turn the River into a tourist attraction, a great many of the dinosaur prints were "embellished" - usually by staining the rock to highlight the prints, and sometimes by deliberately carving human-like footprints for size comparison (also, some of the dinosaur prints, being partial such as if the dinosaur had been running, looked a tad like human prints but without toes - and some people added the toes by carving or by staining). This stuff was publicized back in the 1980s, when the Creationists were making waves. No real human prints at Paluxy.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325100541.htm Soft tissue found in T. rex bone Interesting to find any soft tissue from 68+ million years ago. I wonder what the answer is?
I just finished reading Origins, by Phillip Day. Among other things, the author uses math to prove that evolution is bunk. Paraphrasing his work, at a rate 1/10 of proven population expansion rate through written history, if humanity began 2 million years ago, the earth would now be populated by 18,932,139,737,991,000,000,000,000,000,000... people, give or take. Where are all these people, and where are all of the ancestral remains? Starting with two original ancestors, it would take 4,400 years to arrive at today's population, using historical population growth rates. Gotta love math. :)
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The article claims the footprints could not have been carved. FWIW.
Paraphrasing his work, at a rate 1/10 of proven population expansion rate through written history, if humanity began 2 million years ago, the earth would now be populated by 18,932,139,737,991,000,000,000,000,000,000... people, give or take. I wonder how deep human bodies would have to be stacked on the earth for there to be that number of people. I have a feeling the ones on the top wouldn't have any dirt in which to plant a blade of grass.
Actually the same math would apply to just about every living thing, and probably farther back than two million years .... but there have been plagues, famines, floods, and other disasters (not to mention wars) that killed off millions of people in those two million years, each time resetting the math. Putting the origin of humans a mere 4400 years ago would mean that the Pyramids were built by only a couple of dozen people, for the admiration of only a few hundred more.
This stuff was publicized back in the 1980s, when the Creationists were making waves. No real human prints at Paluxy. Horse manure and other execretory references. The footprints have been excavated up under the overlying formation which had never been previously removed and the prints were found to continue under the overlying rock layers and well beyond those already exposed. No, the real problem with them is that the contradict the rantings of the Fundamentalist Darwinians. The evolutionary timelime as currently accepted in the Academic Lamestream is highly dependent upon a series of assumptions which are in turn used to support the dominant materialist dogma. If the foot prints of human and dinosaur coincident in the same strata were accepted then the Darwinist/Materialist Fairy Tale of the "Shit Happens" theory of creation is immediately thrown into the dustbin of history. Academics, frequently, are not scientists in the truest sense as they will discard, attack, and ignore evidence which runs contrary to their favorite "theories" whereas the Scientific Method, taken verbatim and as established since "The Enlightenment" dictates that a contrary datum MUST be accounted for by the theory or the theory discarded or reformulated to account for the contradictory datum or data. Just as in another sphere the recent observation of neutrinos apparently exceeding the speed of light throws decades of scientific theory into question. If the initial observation is confirmed then modern physics MUST be rewritten to accommodate the new data.
Dust to dust Pinguinite. : ) If man was cruising with the Dinos there wouldn't be a massive expansion in numbers of humans, but rather that number of humans would be reduced by dino dining. Only those humans smart enough to not become the dino snack of the day would increase in numbers......given the intelligence of the species today, millions of years later, I can't fathom that many being smart enough to avoid the fate of dino snack.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Could you source this confident assertion please? I'd like to compare the facts and then apply Occam's razor. After all, fraud cannot simply be alleged but must be proven. Otherwise, it would not be unreasonable to surmise that those making such allegations are more desperate to further an agenda, and agenda that you obviously want to embrace. If history has taught us anything it's that those who dismiss anti-establishment revelations such as this with waves of their sickly, vaccine tainted paws should be viewed with skepticism. Surgeons who refused to accept the fact that microscopic bacteria on their hands were infecting and killing their patients were as certain of their positions as you seem to be. And they were wrong. If you have proof it will stand on its own merits. But, factoids such as "The Smithsonian says it's a fake" no longer constitute the last word. Their motto seems to be, "The scientific method is not a suicide pact."
Dust to dust Pinguinite. : ) If man was cruising with the Dinos there wouldn't be a massive expansion in numbers of humans, but rather that number of humans would be reduced by dino dining. Only those humans smart enough to not become the dino snack of the day would increase in numbers......given the intelligence of the species today, millions of years later, I can't fathom that many being smart enough to avoid the fate of dino snack. The other problem is that fossils of any kind are actually a rare occurrence. People make the mistake of assuming they are more common than they are because of the volume found, but they were all created under special conditions over millions to hundreds of millions of years. In that vast quantity of time the conditions have been replicated over and over, but there are still huge gaps in the fossil record. Even if we assume that anatomically modern man was coincident with the existence of dinosaurs most of the remains have long since been "recycled". Even structures constructed by prior civilizations have long since melded into the landscape except for those made of stone, and even some of them are very weathered. Steel, and I once had a poster who just refused to accept this, will, in geologic time, quickly corrode and disappear being no longer recognizable as anything other than a pile of dust. Without maintenance and repair a steel framed building would virtually disappear and melt into the landscape in a mere thousand years, and in the geologic record we are talking millions of years. So, the great wonder of human artifacts is that any at all have survived. There are no ancient wood or metal structures, other than the occasional anomaly, and only stone, and stone used in shapes, forms, and quantities some of which even now we cannot replicate.
Could you source this confident assertion please? There was a controversial made for TV documentary called "The Mysterious Origins of Man" (Narrated by Charlton Heston) which aired during the late 80's to early 90's. In the film they actually visited excavations of the site and photographed the footprints including those that had been more recently excavated and showing that the prints extended up under the rock formation surrounding the river bed where no human in modern time could have reached. The Smithsonian is not a reliable source as they have been caught retouching and "disappearing" unusual finds that contradict the "official story". The Smithsonian is funded by, and was begun by, the Robber Baron's to further their own ends and their preferred story for public consumption. The most intriguing, for me, was the find in the Grand Canyon around the turn of the last century. An explorer found a cave system which supposedly had Egyptian artifacts in great quantity. The Smithsonian mounted an expedition, which was reported on by the local newspaper - The Arizona Gazette if I recall correctly - which chronicled their taking away several boxcar loads of artifacts from the site. They have never been seen again and if you ask the Smithsonian about them today they will deny that it ever happened.
Okay, here are some rather disgusting statistics on that number, posted solely for amusement purposes. The average human body volume is about 2.7 cubic feet. This means there would be about 5.111677729×10^31 cubic feet of people on the earth. Dividing that by the number of cubic feet per cubic mile (147,197,952,000) comes to the nice manageable number of 3.472655468×10^20 cubic miles of people mass. Ignoring the earth completely, if we just compute the size of this mass of (former) humanity if it were rolled up into a ball, it would, by my calcs, have a diameter of about 8.6 million miles, which would rise about 20 times higher than the moon, and be about 20 times the diameter of Jupiter, and about 10 times the diameter of the sun. This means that the unfortunate souls at the center of this thing would instantly undergo nuclear fusion simply due to the same gravitational forces that stars do on a relatively routine basis, and would likely be enough people-mass to collapse into a black hole big enough to impact the movements of nearby stars. Now I understand Critter probably just rattled off an exaggerated number but please...!!! :^)
lol.......you and critter forgot to calculate entropy and time into the formula. : ) The mass of a dead body begins deteriorating the moment the life force exits and rapidly.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Lessee - that would be Mass (m) multiplied by decomposition rate per unit time (D) multiplied by the number of times the entire surface of the earth has been subsumed into a subduction zone and renewed all based upon the amount of time (t) over which the sequence of events took place. Looks like a tensor with respect to time. Anyone care to do the math?
I seem to have misplaced my calculator......lol
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I hope you are as amused as I was while running these numbers! But Critter did say there would be that number living today. That's not the number of people that ever lived -- that's living today. I do understand that this is an argument against humanity walking the earth as long as alleged, but obviously there would be some limiting factors kicking in long before the above number was reached.
Personally, I think humans have been around a LONG time but the herd has been culled whenever the ratio of idiots and assholes overwhelms the tiny fraction that maintain reason and sanity.......hence, we are due for another culling. We could never attain Critter's numbers of humans as this species isn't equipped spiritually to handle that capacity.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Gerald is supposed to be on Rense tonight. Lidsay didn't have anything new last night, I was finding some comedy in his "ground breaking" sharing of "new" information that has been bantered about for months and months and months now. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Personally, I think humans have been around a LONG time but the herd has been culled whenever the ratio of idiots and assholes overwhelms the tiny fraction that maintain reason and sanity.......hence, we are due for another culling. We could never attain Critter's numbers of humans as this species isn't equipped spiritually to handle that capacity. What she said. One cavil: "...this species isn't equipped spiritually to handle that capacity." At this point in time.
I hope he is on, and I hope I get home in time to listen. Gotta head out for an appointment in a minute. Oh, you just need to find a bigger calculator. I'd try HP. ;-)
I've actually been there...there's only dinosaur prints.
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The population of the earth has doubled twice in the last 100 years, despite the 150 or so million killed in probably the bloodiest century ever. To arrive at today's population, from a single ancestral pair 2 million years ago, the population would have had to double only 32 or 33 times, or once every 60,000 years or so. It is beyond retarded to believe that could be the case.
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Hi OI, Nutshell - the lab put out their calculations and the standard methods used and have come up with some topsyturvy results. So the published them with no comments or conclusions. The press immeadiatly claimed that "faster than light" etc. This is all press. Sells papers - and in this case lets us think about physics again. So that is OK
several articles in The American Biology Teacher, esp. "Footprints in Stone and Biology Teaching" by H. Murray Long, vol. 46, nr.1 (January 1984) pages 31-35. A careful study of the "human footprints" shows that they're not really human, that they don't have the characteristics of real human footprints ... and efforts to track those "human footprints" show a stride that often exceeds 4 feet. Other studies have interviewed local oldtimers about what was going on when the dinosaur tracks were first being touted as a tourist attraction.
What evidence is there that those are human prints?
Yep, read that too. Appears to be a true story, but of course there's no publically available PROOF of such, except for the newspaper article. This "human print" under fossil thing appears to be some wishful thinking though, the print doesn't even seem like a real footprint, never mind a human footprint. It could have been CARVED that long ago though. However, I don't see a human footprint there, just a crude attempt to draw something that has five toes or fingers.
H. Murray Who? Perhaps this unknown was the designated hatchet man at The American Biology Teacher who was assigned the task of whistling past the cemetery. And fielding an unknown with no credentials (is he the maintenance superintendent?) to stake is quite telling. I suspect that nothing short of a lightning bolt from Jehovah Yahweh himself, (One Universe Way, Divine Galaxy, Heaven Above) would force any of the establishment publications or institutions to acknowledge any evidence that conflicts with the official pseudo scientific fairie tale. The pyramids adjacent to Cuba are clearly not natural formations and the depth of the water alone is evidence of the lies we are told about the length of time MAN has been on Earth. The researcher who attempted to expose that evidence as well as the giant structures that were visible off the coast of India during the Tsunami low tide is routinely character assassinated by establishment pimps. Although you're always energetic and the first to pounce to protect the wormy system, your haughty self assured performance is so obviously done in haste that a visual representation would look like this:
What evidence is there that those are human prints? If you discovered those prints on your property how much time and money would you spend trying to discredit the obvious implications? That's not how it's done. If you or any other skeptic/critic wishes to challenge the evidence then it's up to you to provide evidence of tool marks and/or sandblasting or other evidence of fraud. If I know I committed no fraud then only a seriously deficient mind would suggest that I'm obligated to first accuse and then prove the case against myself. Your question suggests that all challenges to the dogma must be resolved prior to public exposure to insulate the Pollyannas among us from intellectual stimulation or controversy. In any case I apologize if my post overtaxed anyone's resources.
Gotta love math. :) That may seem logical but what about extinction level events along the way that may have wiped out large numbers of inhabitants. In the absence of hard numbers (before and after, and how many times has the board been swept clean?) that would be a large variable-unknown-X factor that would not readily compute. And other factors (such as potato famines) could seriously alter the normal reproduction and survival rates of various regions. Figures don't lie but liars figure! We are stranded with four flat tires until all those with agendas have been "factored out", and as you can see we have not yet begun to realize that. I'm not convinced of anything except that in our culture the established authorities and their groupies will lie faster than a (bi pedal) horse can trot to avoid any admission of ignorance and to protect their robes of omniscience, regardless of how deserving they are to wear them. Remember according to "our intractable laws of physics and well established scientific principles" a honeybee should be incapable of flight. And many of the same eggheads who are at a loss to explain that will tell us with absolute certainty when and how the universe was formed and savage any who question their absolute conclusions.
I believe that the origin contains elements of BOTH Creation and Evolution. There does seem to be overwhelming fossil evidence (involving the lower jawbones of the animals involved) that the mammals came from reptiles through a class of animals once considered reptiles but no longer considered as such by Cladist Evolutionists called the Synapsida. However when it comes to the population of the world with animals the Bible tells us that He MADE the animals from the earth. He did NOT create them ex-nilo. The evidence for this consists of the gradual reduction of the Quadrate and Articular bones of the lower jaw and the skull as Synapsids advance until they become the Ossicle and Hammer bones of the middle ear. The development of Marsupial mammals also goes through a "Synapsid" stage where they have a standard reptilian Quadrate Articular jaw hinge that shrinks and migrates to the middle ear as the hammer and ossicle bones. Take as a forinstance our favorite invention from our own time, the GUN. While an inanimate object the history of the gun is that of Evolution guided by Intellegent Design. When you take the Intellegent Design out of the picture an and basically say that things make themselves like the Atheistic Evolutionsist do an AK-47 as a forinstance is simply an evolvoved Russian percussion cap musket. The same with your "wonder nine" Barreta or Glock It is sumply the current state of evolution of the Eurpean percussion cap dueling postol. I am of the view that God could have made animals from other animals because the Bible tells us this is true with our own species. It clearly states that God made woman from man. It is also within the relm of possibility that God added the genes needed to eventually produce mammals in the group of reptiles that became the Synapsida and eventually the mammals themselves
The introduction to that book is on the internet and it's very good. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
The funny thing about this book is that I could not find it for sale anywhere in the USA. I had to buy it from a UK bookseller.
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I have looked for it here too but couldn't find it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Mathematicians with access to more data than myself at moment, have come up with a figure of about 168 years, as the average amount of time it has taken for human population to double throughout written history. Even if we suppose an average of 10 times that, or 1680 years, we could have populated the earth to current levels 35 times. That would have left behind trillions of human remains and archeologists just haven't found anything resembling those kinds of numbers.
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Thanks Critter.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
The purported "human" prints at Paluxy look more like outlines of a foot -- though not always in normal human proportions -- and do not display the "squish" that would naturally occur from a human foot walking or running in sand or mud. Moreover, attempts to track the supposed human prints are usually futile -- as if the human somehow put one foot down in the middle of the riverbed and then FLEW away without putting down the other foot or taking a step; the "human" prints are isolated this way. The usual scientific explanation is that the "human" prints are actually partials of dinosaur prints -- that is, just the part of the dinosaur's foot if it were running or backing up or something -- and sometimes these isolated "human" prints line up with obvious dinosaur tracks so this is pretty indisputable.
I'd say that there are a few possibilities, but fraud is not the only one. 1) Fraud 2) It's possible it's not a human foot print but maybe a combination of 2 footprints that by sheer chance appears to be a single human/primate footprint. 3) Maybe it's not a footprint at all but a chance natural imprint from a log and maybe some stones? 4) Is it possible that the object could have been first fossilized with a dino print and then somehow resoftened through some unknown natural processs within the last several thousand years where it acquired the second print? This is certainly a stretch at best, but... *perhaps* not as much of a stretch to conclude humans lived with dinos. 5) Maybe the human print is real but the dino print was not from a dino, but from something much more recent, perhaps from some ceremonial object made by humans responsible for the print? Not all equally likely, of course but possibilities to be discounted nonetheless.
Rense duped us again......grrrrrr.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
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#2. To: Shoonra, HOUNDDAWG (#1)
#3. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
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We are not allowed to make a decision as mundane as what kind of lightbulb we're going to use anymore, but we're allowed to choose who runs the city, state, and fedgoob? Give me a break. - Esso
#4. To: Shoonra (#1)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#5. To: Shoonra (#1)
by deliberately carving human-like footprints for size comparison
#6. To: Critter (#3)
#7. To: Critter (#3)
if humanity began 2 million years ago, the earth would now be populated by 18,932,139,737,991,000,000,000,000,000,000... people, give or take.
#8. To: Shoonra (#1)
More crap about Paluxy River at this late date?? The Paluxy River has genuine dinosaur prints ... but during the Depression, to try to turn the River into a tourist attraction, a great many of the dinosaur prints were "embellished" - usually by staining the rock to highlight the prints, and sometimes by deliberately carving human-like footprints for size comparison (also, some of the dinosaur prints, being partial such as if the dinosaur had been running, looked a tad like human prints but without toes - and some people added the toes by carving or by staining).
#9. To: Pinguinite (#6)
I wonder how deep human bodies would have to be stacked on the earth for there to be that number of people.
#10. To: Shoonra (#1)
No real human prints at Paluxy.
#11. To: abraxas, Pinguinite (#9)
I wonder how deep human bodies would have to be stacked on the earth for there to be that number of people.
#12. To: HOUNDDAWG, Shoonra (#10)
No real human prints at Paluxy.
#13. To: abraxas, Critter (#9)
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if humanity began 2 million years ago, the earth would now be populated by 18,932,139,737,991,000,000,000,000,000,000... people, give or take.
#14. To: Pinguinite, Critter (#13)
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if we just compute the size of this mass of (former) humanity if it were rolled up into a ball,
#15. To: abraxas, Pinguinite, Critter (#14)
#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)
Anyone care to do the math?
#17. To: abraxas (#14)
lol.
#18. To: Pinguinite, Critter, Original_Intent (#17)
I do understand that this is an argument against humanity walking the earth as long as alleged, but obviously there would be some limiting factors kicking in long before the above number was reached.
#19. To: Original_Intent (#15)
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#20. To: abraxas (#18)
I do understand that this is an argument against humanity walking the earth as long as alleged, but obviously there would be some limiting factors kicking in long before the above number was reached.
#21. To: abraxas (#19)
Gerald is supposed to be on Rense tonight. Lidsay didn't have anything new last night, I was finding some comedy in his "ground breaking" sharing of "new" information that has been bantered about for months and months and months now. : )
#22. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
#23. To: Shoonra (#7)
We are not allowed to make a decision as mundane as what kind of lightbulb we're going to use anymore, but we're allowed to choose who runs the city, state, and fedgoob? Give me a break. - Esso
#24. To: Original_Intent (#8)
ust as in another sphere the recent observation of neutrinos apparently exceeding the speed of light throws decades of scientific theory into question. If the initial observation is confirmed then modern physics MUST be rewritten to accommodate the new data.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#25. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)
No real human prints at Paluxy. Could you source this confident assertion please?
#26. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)
Could you source this confident assertion please?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#27. To: Original_Intent (#12)
The most intriguing, for me, was the find in the Grand Canyon around the turn of the last century. An explorer found a cave system which supposedly had Egyptian artifacts in great quantity. The Smithsonian mounted an expedition, which was reported on by the local newspaper - The Arizona Gazette if I recall correctly - which chronicled their taking away several boxcar loads of artifacts from the site. They have never been seen again and if you ask the Smithsonian about them today they will deny that it ever happened.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#28. To: Shoonra, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, christine (#25)
#29. To: FormerLurker, Pinguinite (#26)
Could you source this confident assertion please?
#30. To: Critter (#3)
Starting with two original ancestors, it would take 4,400 years to arrive at today's population, using historical population growth rates.
#31. To: Original_Intent (#8)
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The FARO RESERVE BANK!!! 
#32. To: Critter (#3)
I just finished reading Origins, by Phillip Day.
#33. To: James Deffenbach (#32)
We are not allowed to make a decision as mundane as what kind of lightbulb we're going to use anymore, but we're allowed to choose who runs the city, state, and fedgoob? Give me a break. - Esso
#34. To: Critter (#33)
The funny thing about this book is that I could not find it for sale anywhere in the USA. I had to buy it from a UK bookseller.
#35. To: HOUNDDAWG (#30)
That may seem logical but what about extinction level events
We are not allowed to make a decision as mundane as what kind of lightbulb we're going to use anymore, but we're allowed to choose who runs the city, state, and fedgoob? Give me a break. - Esso
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#34)
We are not allowed to make a decision as mundane as what kind of lightbulb we're going to use anymore, but we're allowed to choose who runs the city, state, and fedgoob? Give me a break. - Esso
#37. To: Critter (#36)
#38. To: HOUNDDAWG (#29)
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#39. To: HOUNDDAWG (#29)
#40. To: Original_Intent (#21)
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