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Title: Catholic church to show what "mistakes" it made, to help tackle the bigger problem of child abuse. Isn't that just precious?
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URL Source: http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/1 ... -a-much-larger-global-problem/
Published: Oct 15, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-10-15 13:17:17 by PSUSA2
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Charles Lewis Oct 14, 2011 – 9:45 PM ET

It would seem to be the ultimate in bad taste to look for a silver lining in the dark cloud of the Roman Catholic Church sexual-abuse crisis. To do so would be, in the minds of many, to minimize the damage done to countless children and teenagers who were betrayed by the “holy people” they trusted.

But for some of the scholars meeting this weekend at McGill University in Montreal, the abuse scandal offers something more than just despair: It is a chance for a broader society plagued with child sexual abuse to learn from the mistakes of the Church and the solutions it found to try to end the abuse.[TRY HARDER, MOTHERFUCKERS -PSUSA]

Dan Cere, a professor of religion, law and ethics at McGill, and one of the organizers of the conference, said the Church crisis now stands as a “case study” that secular society should pay careful attention to.

No other institution, he said, has produced as many reports and done as much analysis on the problem of abuse. [Oh for fucks sake look at the spin doctoring. NO other institution has perpetrated this kind of abuse and used their power to cover it up -PSUSA]

The conference, called “Trauma and Transformation: The Catholic Church and the Sexual Abuse Crisis,” will see 20 presenters take stock of what the Church has done to date to confront the crisis, how effective those measures have been and what more is needed. [What is needed is to stop trying to fuck little kids -PSUSA]

They will discuss the Church’s attempts to move from a culture of concealment to transparency, improvements made on the report of abuse to civil authorities and the attempts to screen seminary candidates to weed out potential abusers.

They will also look at clericalism — a form of cronyism and cloistered political environment in the Church — that led to cover-ups and a desire to protect the institution instead of the victims.

The news on Friday showed the Church still has a long way to go. The bishop of Kansas City and his diocese were indicted for failure to report an allegation of child abuse.

This comes a decade after the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops made it mandatory to report suspected abuse to civil authorities.

Still, despite the failings, insights the Church has gained can help guide secular society, Prof. Cere suggested.

“The Catholic Church has been the main focus of media and public attention, and there has been more study on abuse in the Catholic Church than on any other institution in society,” said Prof. Cere. “But if you stopped every clerical abuser tomorrow, the vast majority of kids in the world will still be abused by other people. The clerical abuse issue is a small part of a much larger global problem. [What unmitigated bullshit! Oh, look over here! Others are doing it too! So we're not so bad! In fact, we're here to help" -PSUSA]

“Even in the Catholic community the vast amount of children that will be abused will be by extended family, teachers and coaches. So if our fundamental concern is about the protection of children, ending clerical abuse doesn’t get us very far along the path to that goal.”

In a 2010 landmark study on the U.S. abuse crisis, the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York found that between 1950 and 2002, 4,932 priests, or 4% of all U.S. priests, faced allegations of sexual abuse. Over that same period there were 10,667 incidents, many of which likely involved more than one child. [Well, the catholic church hasn't been exactly forthcoming about their kiddie diddling priests, have they? So their numbers don't mean shit]

Statistically however, said Prof. Cere, that is a sliver of the greater problem.

Child Help, an Arizona-based group that studies child abuse, says a report of child abuse is made every 10 seconds in the United States and more than five children die every day as a result of abuse.

It noted 90% of juvenile sexual abuse victims knew their perpetrators. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services found 83,000 reports of child sexual abuse in 2005 alone.

“Child sexual abuse is very prevalent in institutions where there is interaction between adults and children and adolescents, particularly in environments where there is a mentoring and nurturing relationship between adults in children,” said Karen Terry, professor and acting dean at John Jay and the main author of the 2010 report.

“The information the Church has gathered is applicable to schools, other religious institutions and especially sports groups — where there is often a strong bond between a coach and an individual player.”

A key issue that the Church has tried to grapple with was the way it put its priests on a pedestal, said Sister Nuala Kenny, who is also a pediatrician and the former head of the department of bioethics at Dalhousie University in Halifax.

She said the more exalted the priest, the more likely that no one would believe he was capable of doing harm, which in turn affected the way abuse allegations were dealt with.

But this problem of power is not unique to the Church, she noted. Clericalism, she said, can infect any organization big enough to develop structure and authority.

“Many people experience ‘clericalism’ from doctors,” she said. “How many times have you heard, ‘I’m the doctor here!’ [I haven't heard it one single solitary time to my recollection -PSUSA] The medical profession is as hierarchal as the Church because the characteristics are the same: power over people who are vulnerable by reason of position.” {I have no fucking idea what the medical profession has to do with this, other than as an attempt to distract -PSUSA]


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#1. To: PSUSA2 (#0)

Great commentary on a pathetic article and a horrific situation.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-10-15   14:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

It pissed me off. And believe me, I pulled my punches. Next time, I might not have the restraint to do that.

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-10-15   14:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: PSUSA2 (#0)

This is the official song sung by Nuns to the Catholic Priests. I got a copy of it when we visited the Vatican. It said it was sung to the same tune as lipstick on your collar by Connie Francis.

When you left me all alone

At the church hop

Told me you were going out

For a soda pop

You were gone for quite awhile

Half an hour or more

You came back

And man oh man

This is what I saw

Lipstick on your ballsack

Told a tale on you Father

Lipstick on your ballsack

Said you were untrue

Bet your bottom dollar

You and I are through

Cause lipstick on your ballsack

Told a tale on you

You said it belonged to me

Made me stop and think

Then I noticed yours was red

Mine was baby pink

Who walked in but Sister Mary Jane

Lipstick all a mess

Were you getting a hummer from my best friend

Guess the answer's yes

Lipstick on your ballsack

Told a tale on you Father

Lipstick on your ballsack

Said you were untrue

Bet your bottom dollar

You and I are through

Cause lipstick on your ballsack

Told a tale on you

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2011-10-15   14:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA2 (#0)

there's several good books on this. Basically it is a long term plot to destroy the church from within. what better way to do it than something so evil? TPTB turned away decent men & let in every perv, & promoted them, the fags/pederasts.That must stop.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-16   0:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#3)

lol

christine  posted on  2011-10-16   0:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA2 (#0)

[What unmitigated bullshit! Oh, look over here! Others are doing it too! So we're not so bad! In fact, we're here to help" -PSUSA]

well put

christine  posted on  2011-10-16   1:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#6)

There was a great group run by a layman, a devout traditional Catholic, Steven Brady in IL who constantly exposed the perv priests. RCF.org. Several priests who worked with him to expose the perv priests were violently MURDERED. This story runs deep.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-16   1:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PSUSA2, Lod (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-16   9:04:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eric Stratton (#8) (Edited)

It's a carbon copy of the Jewish one during his time, the same one that he declared "desolate" and called the keepers of "sons of hell."

I am a "son of Hell" and I am not catholic, or protestant (anymore), and Satan knows I am not a fucking kike.

It is of paramount importance when discussing this general topic to keep the distinction between it and the true church as mentioned in Scripture.

What has the "true church" that is not a subsidiary of the "false church" ever done that was worthwhile? I'm curious.

Yes, the "false church" has started universities, hospitals etc. But the kikes have done the same. Pagans have done the same. Atheists have done the same.

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-10-16   9:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: PSUSA2 (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-16   9:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Eric Stratton (#10) (Edited)

It hasn't hurt anyone, nor has it started any wars, it's been charitable, it minds its own business, it lays down its life for others, it does unto others as they would have unto itself, ...

Atheists do as much. Satanists do as much, but you would never know that if all of your ideas of Satanism, or atheism, comes from christian sources. They're a little biased...

Anyone that believes that God/Christ endorses most of the things you hate, clearly does not understand God/Christ has read the bible.

It's one bloodbath after another, OT and NT.

Not to get your worked up, but I hear people like you comment on "what the Bible says" or what the church does, when you don't even have the two, or the three I should say, the "church" of the Bible, the church(es) of the world, and the church that you mention, whatever that is, identified for purposes of discussion.

Evidently you believe that since you are a "lone wolf" christian that you are a "True Christian". Am I right? That's OK. I understand that. I was the same way. If that is your path, then that is your path. That is not the type of christian that is causing problems. But understand that it does not take a christian to do these same good things.

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-10-16   9:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Artisan (#7)

Several priests who worked with him to expose the perv priests were violently MURDERED

omg. i have such a loathing for organized religion.

christine  posted on  2011-10-16   11:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#12)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-16   11:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine, Artisan (#12)

I suspect Fr. Malachi Martin was murdered for much the same reasons - he knew too much and at the right time was willing to talk. So, he was shut up - permanently as the pedophile scandals really began breaking.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-16   11:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#14) (Edited)

the pedophile scandals start breaking after the pope opened his big fat yap about the immorality of the iraq war.

John Paul II stated before the 2003 war that this war would be a defeat for humanity which could not be morally or legally justified.

Pope John Paul II calls War a Defeat for Humanity: Neoconservative Iraq Just War Theories Rejected

*shrug*

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-16   11:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lead.and.lag (#15)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-16   11:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eric Stratton (#16) (Edited)

The RCC is a socio-political organization that has corrupted itself by playing harlot to the world.

link fixed

meanwhile, i appreciate harlots more than i appreciate whiners, who after whining non-stop for decades, turn into murderous bullies.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-16   11:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#14)

I suspect Fr. Malachi Martin was murdered for much the same reasons - he knew too much and at the right time was willing to talk. So, he was shut up - permanently as the pedophile scandals really began breaking.

www.amazon.com/Beware-Nig...lph-Sarchie/dp/0312977379

Ralph Sarchie, a friend of mine, and a former Sgt. in the NYPD, would agree with you. He was a close friend of Malachi's and is referenced -not by name - in Malachi's "Hostage to the Devil." Fr. Martin's last book, "Windswept House" used the title as a metaphor for the evil that was/is blowing through the RCC.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-10-16   11:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lead.and.lag (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-16   11:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

looks to me like the catholic church has been neutralized as a moral force against zionism... should contribute to the disintegration of christianity and jewishness, unless the powers can continue to cover up the link between the pope's outburst about the iraq war and the scandals breaking.

you got to assume there are carloads of pedast priest cases locked away in a vault someplace, just waiting for the pope to object to... for instance, theimpending war with iran.

you got to wonder about hardcore catholics in latin america... are they putting two and two together?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-16   12:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lead.and.lag (#20)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-16   12:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

I'm not sure how "neutralized" it will become

it's already neutralized as a moral force against zionism...

after billions of dollars of settlements and legal costs, the popes have shut up about the neocons, havent they?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-16   12:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lead.and.lag (#20)

Fr. Martin had the current state of the RCC about right; it's an integral part of the NWO, save for a few renegades who the church no longer recognizes.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-10-16   12:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#23) (Edited)

Fr. Martin had the current state of the RCC about right; it's an integral part of the NWO

i went to mass with a catholic friend a couple times, back when they did it in latin... and i got to say it was a charming experience... all those mysterious words and bells and whistles and smoke and robes and whatnot.

we got to wonder if the church can clean up its act enough to become immune to zionist blackmail.

doubtful.

looks to me like the whole NWO structure is so corrupt that nobody can claim the moral high ground... which, i spose, accounts for the prevalent "might makes right" philosophy, whether the "might" is financial might, military might, media might, or whatever.

we seem to be in the early stages collapse, similar to the disintegration of the USSR... when the big boys start shooting each other... well, then we'll know.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-16   12:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lead.and.lag, jethro tull (#22)

yes there is definitely a plot against the church for many centuries- call it a zionist, satanist, freemasonic-(there are encyclicals on that,)Most within the church would not believe or grasp the magnitude of this very real spiritual battle.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-16   12:31:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Artisan (#25) (Edited)

the old ones will come out of the woodworks to pick up the pieces, once the big religions have devoured each other.

i am only 63.8% joking.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-16   12:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

interesting fact that Pope Leo XIII, who wrote HUMANUM GENUS, the encyclical against freemasonry, also wrote the prayer to St Michael, which USED TO be said after each Mass.I highly recommend reading that encyclical, Its not too long but very interesting.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-16   12:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

Ralph Sarchie, a friend of mine, and a former Sgt. in the NYPD, would agree with you. He was a close friend of Malachi's and is referenced -not by name - in Malachi's "Hostage to the Devil." Fr. Martin's last book, "Windswept House" used the title as a metaphor for the evil that was/is blowing through the RCC.

Yes, the good Father took much to his grave. Those who are perpetuating, and fattening, off of the evil sweeping not just the Church but our entire world will not let something silly, such as the truth, get in the way of their designs.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-16   12:36:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

(contd) who fund & promote commies. & how the fed reserve enslaves us all, & the 'warmongers' "blood business", prosperity only when there is war, is the gospel of satan.Incredible genius prophetic, from 1938.All i can say is Wow.

His position was that the church will prevail in the end, no? also, ive been listening to Fr Couglins programs from Iamthewitness.com & its astounding all the things he covers.Defend liberty against the fascist rothschild international bankers & jews who

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-16   12:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Artisan (#29) (Edited)

I wouldn't say Malachi believed the Church would prevail in the end. He believed it was in a death struggle with evil and the outcome was far from certain. He believed strongly that when the Church failed to reveal the Third secret of Fatima, and worse, refuse to act on it, we were in a great deal of trouble.

EDIT: My personal introduction to the NWO was from a small group of Philadelphia based American Firsters, who had their roots in the Fr. Coughlin movement. They're still around, and I remain in touch with them to this day.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-10-16   12:57:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

Oh, i had forgotten about that. Id also seen videos about that, how they didnt reveal the real 3rd secret. But, never shielded from reality of the conspiracy, i believe, & never doubt that as Jesus said, the gates of hell shall not prevail against It.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-16   13:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

Thats great!I hope to learn more about him.I recently got an MP3 & listened to about 7hours straight while driving.His legacy needs to be promoted.Politically,he sounds just like ron paul, the year Paul was born.He also covers the jew plot to silence him

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-16   13:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lead.and.lag (#22)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-16   13:40:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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