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Title: Robert Fisk: You can't blame Gaddafi for thinking he was one of the good guys
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URL Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio ... -of-the-good-guys-2373796.html
Published: Oct 22, 2011
Author: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/com
Post Date: 2011-10-22 13:32:16 by tom007
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Robert Fisk: You can't blame Gaddafi for thinking he was one of the good guys

The West may be celebrating his death, but that's just an accident of timing

Friday, 21 October 2011

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The Libyan leader, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, pictured two years ago in Rome

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We loved him. We hated him. Then we loved him again. Blair slobbered over him. Then we hated him again. Then La Clinton slobbered over her BlackBerry and we really hated him even more again. Let us all pray that he wasn't murdered. "Died of wounds suffered during capture." What did that mean?

He was a crazy combination of Don Corleone and Donald Duck – Tom Friedman's only moment of truth about Saddam Hussein – and we who had to watch his ridiculous march-pasts and his speeches bit our lips and wrote about Libyan tanks and marines and missiles that were supposed to take this nonsense seriously. His frogmen flipped and flapped through Green Square in the heat and we had to take this rubbish at face value and pretend that it was a real threat to Israel; just as Blair tried to persuade us (not unsuccessfully) that Gaddafi's pathetic attempts to create "weapons of mass destruction" had been skewered. This, in a country that couldn't repair a public lavatory.

So he is gone, the colonel who was once beloved of the Foreign Office (after the coup against King Idris), then guarded as a "safe pair of hands", then loathed because he sent weapons to the IRA, then loved, etc, etc. Can you blame the man for thinking he was a good guy? Related articles

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And did he perish so? Shot down while trying to resist? We lived with Ceausescu's death (and that of his wife), so why not Gaddafi's? And Gaddafi's wife is safe. Why shouldn't the dictator die thus? Interesting question. Did our friends in the National Transitional Council decree his demise? Or was this "natural", a death at the hands of his enemies, an honourable end to a bad man? I wonder. How the West must have been relieved that there would be no trials, no endless speeches from the Great Leader, no defence of his regime. No trials mean no accounts of rendition and torture and no cutting of sexual parts.

So let us not recall any grovelling to Gaddafi. More than 30 year ago, I went to Tripoli, and met the IRA man who sent the Semtex to Ireland and protected the Irish citizens in Libya, and the Libyans were quite happy that I should meet them. And why not? For this was a period in which Gaddafi was the leader of the Third World. We got used to the ways of his regime. We got used to his cruelty. We connived at it, once it became "normal". Thus it was important to finish the documentation of his viciousness on our behalf.

Indeed, the end of any juridical evidence of torture by Gaddafi's regime care of (of course) and on behalf of the UK government would be a good thing, wouldn't it? The UK woman who knew all about this torture – unnamed but I know her name, so make sure she does not misbehave again – will she be safe from prosecution (which she should not be)? And will we all make cosy with Muammar Gaddafi's mates in the aftermath of his demise?

Maybe. But let us not forget the past. Gaddafi remembered the Italian colonial rule in Libya, the repulsive Italian rule during which every Libyan had to walk in the gutter when confronted by an Italian, when Libya's heroes were hanged in public, when Libyan freedom was regarded as "terrorism". The oil men and the lads and lassies from the IMF are going to be treated no better with the same servitude. The Libyans are smart people. Gaddafi knew that; although, fatally, he thought himself smarter. The idea that these tribal people will suddenly "globalise" and become different is ridiculous.

Gaddafi was one of those Arab potentates for whom the moniker "crazy" was fitting, yet who spoke a kind of sanity. He did not believe in "Palestine" because he thought the Israelis had already stolen too much Arab land (correct) and he did not really believe in the Arab world – hence his tribal beliefs. He was, indeed, a very odd person.

We shall wait to find out how Gaddafi died. Was he murdered? Was he "resisting" (a good tribal thing to do)? Don't worry – La Clinton will be happy he was "killed".

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#1. To: tom007 (#0)

Interesting read - thanks.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-10-22   13:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tom007 (#0)

These days I'm weary of the geo-political crap that is foisted upon Americans 24/7/365 - no holidays, no vacation, no exceptions.

While it's all too obvious that these dictators are set up, empowered, and used by the west to circumvent the rights of people around the world. The dictators are also using the west to accomplish their own goals, but they should also know that they are expendable.

What makes us think that our participation or opinion is required in geo- politics when it's clear to me that it's not. The kingmakers and other similar deviants present us with a prefabricated storyline complete with a set of facts and other data so as to assist us in forming opinions that ultimately divide us against each other when the truth of the matter is that we never know what the facts really are unless we are personally involved in the event being exposed or spoken about.

Over the years I have witnessed the media and their comrades in politics demean, denegrate and destroy so many seemingly good people that dissented from the "acceptable" version of reality. These days I find it nearly impossible to ingest any more of the bullshit being spread generously throughout society by those we've been instructed to believe or learn from. Usually these people have an agenda of their own or simply generate income by deceiving others that they most arrogantly consider unworthy of the truth.

Most days the bullshit they spread is in direct conflict with other bullshit they have spread previously. The worst part for me when I see a tsunami of bullshit growing in strength and heading my way is knowing that this wave of nonsense will be debated ad nauseum for months while many of my "kind" of people (normal/average families) will be thrown into the streets or sent off to Oceana to fight a mythical enemy, be infected by vaccines, poisoned at the super market, or financially crippled and they aren't even expected to protest their own demise. They're informed that they should elect a different crook with better hair or bigger tits.

I don't know if Gadaffi should have considered himself a good guy or not but I know that the millions adversely affected by the FEDERAL liars, the media, the bankers, and other agenda driven folks are "good guys" or good folks that are truly undeserving of their very orchestrated fates.

As an example, the notion that the entire world could be driven into poverty because some cocaine snorting cocksuckers on Wall Street "invented" a series of fraudulent "securities" (to the tune of 700 Trillion Dollars) and traded them amongst each other via cell phone while cranking their Ferrari up to 175 MPH is ludicrous on its face, and begs the question - What the fuck does this shit have to do with me ? Am I in a maze where my decision as to where I put my hard earned money is in actuallity a coerced response to the forced prodding of others ?

But instead of asking the simple and obvious questions, people are distracted and even entertained by the likes of Beck and Limbaugh who promote/spin this bullshit as if it has some credibility. And, to my utter amazement, people considered "intelligent" applaud these liars. Not only that, they choose these wizards of fraud over their neighbors.

In the end the average American suffers the cost of fraud because they accept it.

"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard

noone222  posted on  2011-10-23   6:21:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222 (#2)

Same old same old. Hussein, Mubarek, the Shah, Gadaffi ...all good things must come to an end...munch, crunch, thanks for the lunch.

scrapper2  posted on  2011-10-23   6:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222 (#2)

As an example, the notion that the entire world could be driven into poverty because some cocaine snorting cocksuckers on Wall Street "invented" a series of fraudulent "securities" (to the tune of 700 Trillion Dollars) and traded them amongst each other via cell phone while cranking their Ferrari up to 175 MPH is ludicrous on its face, and begs the question - What the fuck does this shit have to do with me ? Am I in a maze where my decision as to where I put my hard earned money is in actuallity a coerced response to the forced prodding of others ?

The only reason it has anything to do with you is those "fuckers" on Wall Street have the protection of the governments with the guns and bombs to make damn sure that the losses suffered will be yours and not theirs. These are not "accidents" or mistakes, we are witnessing the culmination of a theft on a scale too grand to comprehend.

I defy anyone to come up with a reason or example that would lead them to believe they won't get off scot-free. In any event it is to late to turn back now, the die is cast. the only question is will we all submit to being impoverished or will they kill us all.

But you knew this.

" Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics................................ Even if you win, you're still retarded ":

Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities. –Voltaire

Hmmmmm  posted on  2011-10-23   10:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Hmmmmm (#4)

I defy anyone to come up with a reason or example that would lead them to believe they won't get off scot-free.

The only example that I can think of would be the Savings and Loan debacle. And, yes, I know most went scot-free, but there were some that did time.

In any event it is to late to turn back now, the die is cast. the only question is will we all submit to being impoverished or will they kill us all.

I think the latter is their intent.

"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard

noone222  posted on  2011-10-23   17:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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