"Kennedy, the 38-year-old son and namesake of America's 35th president, was flying with his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, 33, and his sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette, 34, when his six-seat, single-engine Piper Saratoga crashed seven miles south of his Martha's Vineyard home. All three were killed.
A report by the National Transportation Safety Board blamed pilot error for the crash, saying Kennedy, who had been flying for 15 months, was not skilled enough for low-visibility nighttime flying and became disoriented in the hazy sky."
The Assassination of JFK Jr - Full Version
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John John Had been flying for 17 years, he had already passed the quals for IFR, and his instructors all said that he was "methodical in his planning".
They murdered him, folks.
And I'm still sick about it.
If you don't have 1:46:48 to watch the video now, please bookmark it and watch it later. The skullduggery surrounding this plane crash is even more obvious than when they murdered his father.
John F. Kennedy, Jr. obtained his private pilot certificate in April 1998. He received a "high performance airplane" sign-off in his Cessna 182 in June 1998 and a "complex airplane" sign-off in the accident airplane (Piper Saratoga) in May 1999. Although he completed the FAA's written airplane instrument examination about four months before the accident, he did not possess an instrument rating.
Junior's estimated total flight experience, excluding simulator training, was about 310 hours, of which 55 hours were at night. The pilot's estimated flight time in the accident airplane was about 36 hours, of which 9.4 hours were at night. Approximately three hours of that flight time was without a certified flight instructor on board, and about 0.8 hour of that time was flown at night, which included a night landing. You are giving him credit for 17 years of flying time, which is totally misleading and irrelevant. As anyone can see, his RECORD is 310 hours total time as PIC.
Also passing a written IFR ticket exam is not that difficult, passing the instrument flight check is totally different. Junior got himself into a situation that was far beyond his capabilities, VFR rated only and in very marginal VFR conditions.
I would tend to agree. My father was a Flight Instructor so I know that green pilots do sometimes make stupid mistakes in judgment and they can be fatal. One student my father taught killed himself and his two sons when he tried to duplicate a barnstorming trick, without my father's experience, that my father had done in a moment of showing off. I think my father always felt responsible for it because if he hadn't flown under that bridge his student might not have thought to try it. Sad.
However, stupid beginner pilot stunts aside the circumstances around JFK Jr.'s "crash" seem to be disturbingly clear.
The one that has always stood out for me was that just before his plane went down he had radioed the tower at Martha's Vineyard letting them know he had the landing field lights in sight and was beginning his final approach. That directly contradicts the assertion that he was lost in a cloud bank resulting in his spiraling out of control. Yes, if you lose your orientation, and don't know how to use the artificial horizon, you can go into a death spiral. However, from the radio contact with the tower that would appear to NOT be the case.
What did occur was that he began his descent and then abruptly lost contact and plummeted almost straight down. That is consistent with Sherman Skolnick's assertion that it was likely a barometric bomb in the tail section which blew the plane's tail off along with the control surfaces when he began his descent and passed below the trigger level.
Also interesting was that the debris from the plane was never in public view. It was recovered from the ocean and kept under guard at a military base (shades of the WTC 1&2 debris Batman). As well the bodies were quickly cremated without autopsy. Could it be that autopsy would have shown injuries from an explosion?
#87. To: Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull (#7)(Edited)
Also interesting was that the debris from the plane was never in public view. It was recovered from the ocean and kept under guard at a military base (shades of the WTC 1&2 debris Batman). As well the bodies were quickly cremated without autopsy. Could it be that autopsy would have shown injuries from an explosion?
There are a number of circumstances in the wake of this crash that don't pass the smell test. The dispostion of the remains of the aircraft and the human remains recovered from the sea are among those.
The Boston Globe, among other papers, picked up on the unusual rush in examining the bodies of JFK, his wife and sister-in-law.
Subject: BOSTON GLOBE: JFK Autopsy Rushed Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:37:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John DiNardo To: newshawk@iname.com CC: John DiNardo
Again, reading from the Boston Globe (www.boston.com), July 23rd: BOSTON GLOBE: JFK Autopsy Rushed
"Still, the autopsies in the Kennedy case were performed especially quickly," pathologists said.
..... "The haste [of the autopsies] in this case," he said, "could lead to questions about the investigation's thoroughness."
"Pathologists also follow *COMPLEX RULES* for testing a pilot for drug and alcohol use," Dix said. [JD: They are supposed to follow "complex rules" in testing for drug or alcohol use, but they EVIDENTLY violated those rules, indeed, failed to follow them at all! Alcohol and/or drugs are a MAJOR causative suspect in airplane crashes. Remember Ricky Nelson's death in an airplane crash one New Year's Eve? Can someone find out if the coroner examined for substance abuse in that case?] .
"The timing [brief time] of the Kennedy investigation [autopsy], Kirschner said, makes it unlikely that pathologists performed autopsies on Carolyn Bessette Kennedy or Lauren Bessette. You can't possibly do three investigations in four hours, he said." [JD: Well, of course the women's condition would have no effect on the control of the aircraft. But what if there were powder burns on their bodies, suggesting an explosion or a fire onboard? What if a lone nut gunmen had stowed away aboard the plane? After all, you must admit that lone nut gunmen have made a tradition of invading the lives of Kennedy's. Haven't they? What if the gunman was willing to sacrifice his own life? I'm not saying that I believe any of these scenarios. What I AM saying is that the coroner is SUPPOSED to examine the bodies for the POSSIBILITY of these scenarios having occurred. THAT IS HIS JOB!]
"Passenger autopsies are also useful, Kirschner said, if a victim's family sues for damages related to the crash. A medical examiner could determine whether the victim suffered in the moments before death, or survived in the minutes or hours after the crash." [JD: Yet, despite the established practice of examining the bodies of passengers, and carefully examining the body of the pilot, in order to determine if the pilot was drinking or on drugs, thus permitting the victims to sue in case of pilot misconduct ... despite these rules, the women's bodies were not even autopsied! Unbelievable! Actually, I think it is quite believable, judging from the first JFK autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital, which was judged by the nation's best assassination researchers to be an outrageously appalling fraud -- a continuation of the assassination cover-up. That is exactly what this second JFK autopsy is showing itself to be, also.] John DiNardo
What I also find disconcerting is the haste with which the bodies were cremated and then buried at sea. I find this pretty odd for an upper class Catholic family. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that the victims had a decent burial plot reserved for them where friends, family and admirers could pay their respects.
Further, as far as I know, all of the victims of the crash of this private aircraft were private citizens, and none of them had ever worn a uniform. Why were the remains flown out to a destroyer for burial? My "inner cop" tells me that it's likely that someone wanted to make damned sure that the victims' remains were under 100% surveillance and control from the time that they were recovered to the moment that what was left was irretrievably committed to the deep.
Remember Ricky Nelson's death in an airplane crash one New Year's Eve? Can someone find out if the coroner examined for substance abuse in that case?]
I agree with your post regarding JFK jr.
FYI, Rick Nelson bought a WWII era plane that was made of flammable magnesium. During the flight the pilot saw a warning light that resulted in his turning off the heater as a precaution. After Rick's girlfriend complained of the cold (at high altitude) Rick went forward and turned the heater on against the pilot's advice and a fire started in the plane. They had made an emergency landing and the pilot and co-pilot escaped through the windows next to their seats, and Rick and his lady were found huddled together after succumbing to the fumes from the fire.
The pilot executed a successful emergency ditch in a field and they did not crash.
And, the circs were such (faulty wiring or electrical short/overload) that tox screens were not relevant to the deaths of Nelson and his sweety squeeze.