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Title: OFFICIAL LIES ABOUT JFK, jr.
Source: washingtonpost.com
URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy ... 7020601495.html?referrer=yahoo
Published: Oct 25, 2011
Author: HOUNDDAWG
Post Date: 2011-10-25 06:23:12 by HOUNDDAWG
Keywords: None
Views: 1634
Comments: 142

"Kennedy, the 38-year-old son and namesake of America's 35th president, was flying with his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, 33, and his sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette, 34, when his six-seat, single-engine Piper Saratoga crashed seven miles south of his Martha's Vineyard home. All three were killed.

A report by the National Transportation Safety Board blamed pilot error for the crash, saying Kennedy, who had been flying for 15 months, was not skilled enough for low-visibility nighttime flying and became disoriented in the hazy sky."

The Assassination of JFK Jr - Full Version


Poster Comment:

John John Had been flying for 17 years, he had already passed the quals for IFR, and his instructors all said that he was "methodical in his planning".

They murdered him, folks.

And I'm still sick about it.

If you don't have 1:46:48 to watch the video now, please bookmark it and watch it later. The skullduggery surrounding this plane crash is even more obvious than when they murdered his father.

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#10. To: Lod (#5)

He got in the way of shrill's senate aspirations.

Yep, that is it. I bet she laughed her head off about it just like she laughed about Gaddafi being killed. The elite are just like Hillary, pure evil.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-10-25   12:40:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
(Edited)

People who call him John-John clearly didn't know him.

There is no evidence that JFK Jr was seriously contemplating a run at the Senate in 1999 (nor, at that same time, that Hillary was determined to run in NY), nor is there any affirmative evidence of foul play in his plane crash. He had limited piloting experience (I am curious why someone would claim he had been piloting for 17 years when his pilot's license was only slightly more than on year old at the time) and was rushing to arrive at a family wedding, notwithstanding any difficulties about weather or visibility.

Not only is the no evidence that JFK Jr was determined to run for the Senate, but there is no particular reason to believe that he would have been a formidable candidate. He had repeatedly failed the NY Bar Exam ("the hunk that flunked"), he had failed as a magazine publisher ("George"), and he had not been particularly visible in politics.

Shoonra  posted on  2011-10-25   13:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Shoonra (#11) (Edited)

nor is there any affirmative evidence of foul play in his plane crash

You obviously know nothing regarding his doomed flight. Did you even bother watching the video?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   13:38:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Phant2000 (#4)

Junior got himself into a situation that was far beyond his capabilities

Exactly. He wasn't murdered. He was a poor flyer. He was in over his head -- literally.

"The smallest deed is better than the grandest intention" --Roger Baldwin

Turtle  posted on  2011-10-25   13:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Turtle (#13)

He was in over his head -- literally.

Thanks for the confirmation, Turtle.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-10-25   13:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: RickyJ (#9)

The elite were scared to death he would become the President in the future and get revenge on them for killing his father and uncle.

Who are "they" or "them" and how did they get Joe Kennedy to volunteer?

Phant2000  posted on  2011-10-25   14:45:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)

Thanks for the heads up to this.

"The United States today is like a cruise ship on the Niagara River upstream of the most spectacular falls in North America. A few people on board have begun to pick up a slight hiss in the background, to observe a faint haze of mist in the air or on their glasses, to note that the river current seems to be running slightly faster. But no one yet seems to have realized that it is almost too late to head for shore." -- Historian and author Chalmers Johnson"

Ferret  posted on  2011-10-25   14:48:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Turtle, Phant2000, ALL (#13)

Exactly. He wasn't murdered. He was a poor flyer. He was in over his head -- literally.

That's bullshit.

He was a meticulous and cautious pilot according to every one of his flight instructors. In fact, there are indications that there WAS a flight instructor on board that flight.

Did you even bother watching the video?

Why did the Pentagon take over the "rescue" and delay the actual search for 15 hours, and lie about the fact that he had contacted the tower on his final approach?

Why did the Coast Guard fail to initiate a search in the area till actual debris washed up on shore? And why did his plane nose dive down from 2500 feet where he was lined up with the runway?

Why did the Air Force and FAA lie about his "failure to file a flight plan", where he ALWAYS filed a flight plan everytime he flew? Why did they lie about his failure to contact Air Traffic Control, when the FAA initially reported that he had contacted Air Traffic Control just moments before his plane descended abruptly from 2500 feet, asking for permission to land and indicating he had the airport runway lights in sight?

The lies about his "being a poor flier" are about as valid as the lies concerning Oswald being the lone nut who murdered his father. If you checked the facts, you'd understand that.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   14:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Phant2000 (#15)

Who are "they" or "them" and how did they get Joe Kennedy to volunteer?

What does Joe Kennedy have to do with anything?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   14:58:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: FormerLurker (#18)

What does Joe Kennedy have to do with anything?

See #9 above. It is self-explanatory to anyone who knows history.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-10-25   15:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Phant2000 (#19)

See #9 above. It is self-explanatory to anyone who knows history.

There is no mention of Joe in #9. Please fill us in on your thoughts. Regardless, the facts regarding JFK Jr.'s death indicate he was murdered by the establishment, whether or not he was aiming for high office, which he more than likely was.

He DID publish some VERY damaging articles regarding their deep dark secrets, including an article by Oliver Stone regarding his father's murder.

He was not a pushover like his uncle Teddy (who was silenced into submission in various ways), or his cousin Joe who apparently has had issues of his own.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   15:49:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FormerLurker (#20)

No. 9 refers to his "father and uncle". See http://www.aviationmuseum.net/Joe_Kennedy.htm

Phant2000  posted on  2011-10-25   16:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Phant2000 (#21)

So JFK's brother died on a secret mission during WWII. How does that disprove anything?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   17:28:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#22)

How does that disprove anything?

I can't accept that Joe Kennedy or his co-pilot, Wilford John Willy, BOTH volunteers for this secret mission, were then killed by "them" as part of a conspiracy.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-10-25   17:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Phant2000 (#23)

I can't accept that Joe Kennedy or his co-pilot, Wilford John Willy, BOTH volunteers for this secret mission, were then killed by "them" as part of a conspiracy.

Neither I nor anyone else here has suggested that, other than you raising that notion in regards to JFK Jr.'s death.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   17:37:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Phant2000 (#23)

JFK Jr. had more than one uncle you know. Ever hear of Robert Kennedy?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   17:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: FormerLurker (#25)

Ever hear of Robert Kennedy?

Sure have. You think he was part of a conspiracy?

Phant2000  posted on  2011-10-25   17:38:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Phant2000 (#26)

Sure have. You think he was part of a conspiracy?

Please try to follow the discussion. Nobody said he was PART of the conspiracy. People are saying he was whacked by the same CONSPIRATORS as those who whacked his brother, President John F Kennedy.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   18:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FormerLurker (#27) (Edited)

Please try to follow the discussion.

I was following it, but then I'm not a late bloomer.

Try reading No. 9 again, and those before it that caused the response in that item. Be objective, please ... I'm not here to be addressed as if I were a nincompoop. I see you saw the word "conspirators"!

Perhaps this will be easier for you to understand my post: This deep dark conspiracy started with Joe Jr, and has now encompassed all four. All of them have been done in by "they" and "them".

Phant2000  posted on  2011-10-25   18:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Phant2000. 'dawg (#15)

Some basic questions before an investigation begin are; who, what, where, how and why. I love HD to death so I'll keep an open mind on this one, but my knee jerk "inner cop" says accident.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-10-25   18:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Phant2000, RickyJ (#28)

Try reading No. 9 again, and those before it that caused the response in that item. Be objective, please ... I'm not here to be addressed as if I were a nincompoop. I see you saw the word "conspirators"!

The reference to JFK Jr. and his UNCLE (note it was SINGULAR, not PLURAL) that Ricky posted is the following;

The elite were scared to death he would become the President in the future and get revenge on them for killing his father and uncle. They were not going to let that happen.

You obviously misread the word UNCLE and thought it said UNCLES. Nowhere else but that post mentions anything about JFK Jr. looking into the death of his uncle, who's obviously the assassinated uncle, RFK.

Why are you tap dancing here? Is there a purpose other than tossing doubt onto the basic premise of JFK Jr. being himself assassinated by the same group of people involved in the assassinations of his father and uncle?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   18:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Shoonra (#11)

Regrets, Shoonra, but you're dust-bin here.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-10-25   18:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#29)

JT, did you wonder why they lied when they claimed he hadn't contacted the tower, when the Coast Guard reported that he had contacted the tower seconds before his fatal plunge, where he had requested permission to land and was about to commence his final approach, noting that he had the runway lights in sight?

Did you ever wonder why they didn't even search the area of the crash for 15 hours?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   18:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Phant2000 (#28)

This deep dark conspiracy started with Joe Jr, and has now encompassed all four. All of them have been done in by "they" and "them".

Says who, you?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   18:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: FormerLurker, 4 (#32)

JT, did you wonder why they lied when they claimed he hadn't contacted the tower, when the Coast Guard reported that he had contacted the tower seconds before his fatal plunge, where he had requested permission to land and was about to commence his final approach, noting that he had the runway lights in sight?

Did you ever wonder why they didn't even search the area of the crash for 15 hours?

Indeed.

It was a hit.

Klintoon - I don't know...but it WAS a hit.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-10-25   18:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: FormerLurker (#32)

Let me get up to speed on this. I fully admit I haven't given it a lot of thought. Again, the basic questions should be answered before diving in, IMO.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-10-25   19:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Shoonra (#11)

Not only is the no evidence that JFK Jr was determined to run for the Senate, but there is no particular reason to believe that he would have been a formidable candidate.

He would have beaten anyone outright. Period, end of sentence.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-10-25   19:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#36)

He would have beaten anyone outright. Period, end of sentence.

Exactly the reason that that he was taken out.

Wellestonedsened in other words.

Or Bonoed.

Just tragic accidents to the mullets...

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-10-25   19:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull, Shoonra (#36)

Not only is the no evidence that JFK Jr was determined to run for the Senate, but there is no particular reason to believe that he would have been a formidable candidate.

He would have beaten anyone outright. Period, end of sentence.

Particularly Hitlery Klinton. He would have smoked her in the primary and the Senate Seat was a payoff and set-up to possibly position her for the pResidency.

Shoonie baby wants us to pretend that such arrangements and plans are not made well in advance. Had JFK Jr. entered the race for the primary the woman with all the charm of a lizard would have finished a distant second at best. She wouldn't have won as it is except that Jew York is dominated by Yella' Dog Democrats who would eat Pork before they would vote for ANY Republican.

As well JFK Jr.'s inner circle did say that he was talking seriously about a run for the open Senate Seat.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-25   20:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#37)

He would have beaten anyone outright. Period, end of sentence.

Exactly the reason that that he was taken out.

Wellestonedsened in other words.

Or Bonoed.

Just tragic accidents to the mullets...

Thanks to media conditioning many, a majority even, of the Sheeple just don't get it that political assassinations DO happen here.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-25   20:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#37)

WHAT HAPPENED TO
AMERICA'S GOLDENBOY?
Part One

By Sherman H. Skolnick
Moderator/producer Chicago public access Cable TV Program "Broadsides", on since 1991, chairman/founder, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts since 1963.



On his third birthday, he stood and saluted. Do three year olds understand great turning points in history? He stood there as the flag-draped coffin of his father was slowly drawn past. His only son watching the funeral of John F. Kennedy, assassinated 35th president of the United States. He knew as he grew up that it was his mother's wish that for their safety, no statements be made by them contradicting the big lie of the government, that a "lone assassin" blew out the brains of his father, right in front of numerous witnesses. Thereafter, dozens, if not hundreds of material witnesses were themselves murdered, such as the CIA patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Oswald's murderer, Jack Ruby, and a long list.

John F. Kennedy,Jr. knew that dark forces opposed the terrible truth. His father was ouraged on going along with a disaster shortly after taking office. The Bay of Pigs fiasco, April,1961. President Kennedy fired Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles who reportedly muttered under his breath to JFK, "Traitor". Was there justification for political murder and if so, when,if ever, will the high-level forces go "public"? The President vowed to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind.

Too many assassination researchers are busy writing and selling books with conspiracy theories, and videos of the same, or setting up paid lectures and seminars, to go beyond describing what took place in Dealey Plaza. As a non-commercial assassination researcher, when I come to some political assassination seminars I am appalled how I am treated by supposed friends and acquaintances. They hoot and heckle me when I try to ask a question beyond which way the bullets went in Dealey Plaza.

When I discuss the rationale of the ultra-rich for this bloody deed:

1. Such as John F. Kennedy and his friend, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., were closet communists, at least the FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and various Directors of CIA believed that.
2. Although Kennedy once explained he was only nominally a Catholic, there were the controllers of America, if not the world, who believed the U.S. should not have a Catholic President. That has been the prevailing view from the downfall of Al Smith as presidential candidate in the 1920s to this very day. And the same forces opposed Jews on the U.S. Supreme Court and the two that did somehow get on the high court after World War Two who were removed. Justice Abe Fortas was removed by a trumped up scandal. Justice Arthur Goldberg was arm-twisted into resigning from the high court and serving instead on the United Nations. They were perceived as making too "liberal" decisions for the common man.

3. Those who call the shots, who govern us NOT by the consent of the governed, were and are afraid of the Vatican connection. Such thinking was involved in blaming certain factions centuries ago for the Gunpowder Plot in England and the period of great bloodshed with Oliver Cromwell.

4. The strongest justification for blowing out Kennedy's brains in an open car was that his his charm and language, he was causing a bad psychological view to sweep the great unwashed of America: that the era of the common man has arrived, a dangerous and seditious idea to those who rule by deceit and trickery while promising ordinary people a so-called "Bill of Rights". Some loudmouths proclaim a new "Bill of Rights" is needed to smash the "Bill of Wrongs". In federal courts, long-dominated from the early years of this nation by multi-millionaire banker-judges, the U.S. Constitution too often is a mirage and a dead letter. Americans of European lineage say, it is dangerous to bother the people from the high windows.

5. And there are and were some with Jewish surnames, not necessarily followers of Judaism, who believed and still believe. that no Kennedy should occupy the White House. They have put a "blood libel" on the entire Kennedy family: that "Founding Father" Joseph P.Kennedy was pro-Hitler as U.S. Ambassador to London up to 1940,and was viciously anti-Jewish. Using his London office, Ambassador Kennedy brokered a deal between Nazi chemical monopoly I.G. Farben and Rockefeller's Standard Oil of New Jersey. To share the profits of business and this deal was made actually THREE WEEKS AFTER THE ONSET OF WORLD WAR TWO in September, 1939. This unholy arrangement, which went on while ordinary people of U.S. and Germany killed each other, shared the profits by two supposed enemy corporate entities all during the conflict, done by fraudulently backdating the deal with Kennedy's help to several weeks BEFORE the Nazis attacked Poland. (See: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

AND: some pointed to the fact that the Kennedy fortune was built, in part, with mobster aid, by Joe Kennedy supplying smuggled in booze into the U.S. all during Prohibition, done by Joe Kennedy on behalf of British royalty who wanted the profits from their Scottish brands of spirits. This was done through a little known French island in the mouth of the St. Lawrence Seaway. During the war, as shown by little mentioned court records, U.S. ships returning from war-time England after delivering weapons, brought back booze on behalf of Joseph P. Kennedy's liquor distribution network, Somerset Importers Ltd. At the time of the murder of President Kennedy, the Kennedy family booze distribution, Somerset, fell into other hands. Yet, the Kennedy's continued to profit from five out of every eight booze label goods distributed in the U.S. This was admitted to me, on tape, by a Somerset managerial official.
A thinly-disguised, so-called "fictional" movie of such happenings of an Irish patriarch with gangster and espionage links in conflict with his son the President, somehow causes the President to be murdered. The movie "Winter Kills" was suppressed from distribution in the U.S. by the Kennedys, according to a tape interview I did with a major movie producer who produced that film.

6. Further, some with quite an impressive list of apparently documented facts,want to blame JFK's murder on Israel. They point to the fact that Kennedy, as U.S. Senator in 1957, made statements opposing the aspirations of the then new State of Israel. And further, that Chicago gangsters, supposedly Jewish, aided the American CIA, in the Dallas murder. ["Final Judgment" by Michael Collins Piper.]

John F. Kennedy, Jr. grew up, well-educated, having some knowledge of this factual backdrop. He was aware that his uncle Edward Kennedy was nearly assassinated in the summer of 1964, in being one of the few survivors of a sabotaged plane crash. Teddy as a result wears a back brace. John-John as he is called is aware that his uncle Robert F. Kennedy opposed the CIA. In fact, in March, 1967, Bobby touched off a tremendous scandal wherein there were identified numerous foundations, set up by prominent families, as conduits and pass-through of CIA clandestine funds for covert projects. {Thereafter, I and my associates started an on-going, intensive project to find out how it worked and continues to work up to this date.]

John-John was aware, that although publicly agreeing with the "lone assassin" finding of the Warren Commission, uncle Bobby Kennedy secretly vowed, if elected President, he would bring to justice the high-level perpetrators of the Dallas murder. Bobby was himself assassinated in June, 1968, just after winning the important California presidential primary. Supposedly by a "lone assassin".

Like his father and two uncles, John F. Kennedy, Jr., intended to run for president. NOT WAY INTO THE FUTURE BUT IN THE 2000 election! It was supposed to be a deep, deep secret until about August 1, 1999. Like the tragedy with his uncle Bobby, John-John secretly vowed, if elected President, to bring the cabal that murdered his father to the gallows and a national firing squad, a punishment upon guilty verdict to be provided by a special tribunal set up for the purpose.

George Herbert Walker Bush heard about it through his cronies at CIA and vowed to stop John-John. By the way, a little known FBI document shows the elder Bush played some role in the cover up of the murder of JFK. Old man Bush's son, George W.-----could he win in 2000 against a non-scandal scarred John F. Kennedy, Jr.? On the other hand, the campaign camp of Presidential Candidate Albert Gore, Jr. is baffled. Would this tend to flatten out Gore's plans? The very few Democrats trusted to know, or somehow who knew, believed America's Golden Boy, would dispose of all opposition and take the Democrat Party to victory in 2000 and traditional Democrat Party values. After all, some consider CLinton a closet Republican by how he has damaged the Democrat Party.

The Vatican gave its blessings to John-John but promised to stay out of the picture so as not to trigger the traditional bigots in the U.S. John F. Kennedy, Jr., however, was toying with the idea of running as an independent, third party candidate, to deal with the anguish of many Americans unhappy with both political parties.

John-John was worried that the U.S. Secret Service could not and would not protect him. He rightfully believed that what is now called the U.S. Secret Service was complicit in the murder of President Abraham Lincoln. (See: "The Lincoln Conspiracy" by Balsiger.] They were complicit in the murders of President Garfield and McKinley as well as the murder of his father. For the good of the nation, he told his closest confidants, he would risk it. Like his father, he was ready to use his charm and language to give the idea that the era of the common man has arrived.

All this was snuffed out by the apparently ritual murder of John F. Kennedy, Jr., typical of the espionage assassins who do their bloody trick on anniversaries:
July 16, 1999: Anniversary of apparent missile shoot-down of TWO Flight 800, covered up by Bill Clinton in 1996 so as not to interfere with the Presidential election, this with the complicity of the FBI and the National Transportation Safety Board. Two days later is the anniversary of the frame-up of Teddy Kennedy, 1969, regarding Chappaquidick. John Jr.'s uncle Teddy was somehow trapped into getting blamed for the death of a "boiler room" women, Mary Jo Kopecne, one of a group of women keeping records on colored cards, at the 1960 Democratic Convention. Robert Kennedy in charge of the "boiler room" developed a system to indicate what convention delegates could be bought with sex or money and such, so as to make brother John the convention winner for sure. This date in 1989 was when the Vatican's giant soybean operation in the U.S. was destroyed by Archer-Daniels-Midland and Cargill with the aid of directors of the Chicago Board of Trade who bribed five Chicago federal judges to torpedo the aspirations of Ferruzzi, the Vatican's American company. {The confession of bribery by a Board of Trade director made to me and a witness is part of the undisputed federal court record.] More about this in Part Two. The ritual murder of John F. Kennedy, Jr. near the anniversary date of the Ferruzzi debacle, sends a message to would-be justice seekers. But the Vatican has not forgotten or forgiven what was done to their company by the unholy dealings.

And about this date in 1978, John D. Rockefeller 3rd was assassinated near the Rockefeller compound in upstate New York. I was the only reporter to make inquiry of possible foul play. AND about this date in 1996, Amschel Rothschild, about to be designated as the new head of the family worldwide fortune and empire, was assassinated in Paris and written off as a suicide but the Paris police say it was not suicide.
[I and my associates have developed expertise in airplane sabotage inquiries, sharing details with experts worldwide. My book in 1973, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage", was greatly opposed by the airline industry that caused the book to be stopped in the printing cycle. No copies of the book are now available.]

Part Two

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-25   20:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Lod, Original_Intent, Jethro Tull (#34)

Indeed.

It was a hit.

Klintoon - I don't know...but it WAS a hit.

I suspected as much immediately as I was following it as it unfolded. Too many inconsistencies and discrepancies between the initial reports and the spin later reported as news.

Being that there were outright lies told, it became obvious very quickly. That it later became apparent that he WAS considering a NY senate run, it became clear as day what had just occured.

What cemented it all was the smear campaign launched against him almost immediately after the event, with no bearing in fact.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   21:22:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Original_Intent, ALL (#40)

President John F Kennedy was possibly one of the greatest champions of Liberty this nation has ever had, and the courage to follow his convictions. That is why he HAD to be "neutralized".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-25   21:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Lod (#37)

Or Bonoed

what about sonny b? was that a conspiracy too? Given the hippies first & 2nd fruitcake wives, & freakshow daughter, Id have thought the likes of sonny would fit right in in washington.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-10-25   21:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: FormerLurker, Lod, Jethro Tull (#41)

I suspected as much immediately as I was following it as it unfolded. Too many inconsistencies and discrepancies between the initial reports and the spin later reported as news.

The rule of thumb is that the reports most likely to be true come out within the first 24 hours and usually from independent local outlets. After that the spin machine takes over.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-25   21:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Artisan, Lod, FormerLurker, Jethro Tull, all (#43)

what about sonny b? was that a conspiracy too?

Disregard his personal life for a moment and "follow the bouncing ball".

Here's DC Dave's take on it:

                                              The Cover-up of Sonny Bono's Murder

                                                News Suppression

I may not be very insightful,
But I do find it less than delightful
That way 'cross the sea

They can read more than me
About goings-on here that are frightful.

It is now news in Australia that new evidence has turned up that suggests that California congressman Sonny Bono was murdered and did not die in a skiing accident as we have been told repeatedly.  Although he was an American whose job was to represent Americans, as far as the mainstream United States press is concerned this news is unworthy of the attention of the people of the United States.  This is the same American press, of course, that never breathed the slightest hint of suspicion that there might have been foul play involved when the experienced skier Bono was reported to have slammed into a tree at the Heavenly Ski resort in Nevada on January 5, 1998.  There were no witnesses, the autopsy report was not released to the public, and Bono had shown himself to be something of a thorn in the side of official Washington, which is probably all the more reason for the lapdogs who call themselves journalists to have dummied up.

For Americans, the new revelations can be found buried away--and ignored by "respectable people"--in the U.S. supermarket tabloid, Globe, of April 14, which hit the news racks on April 4.  They were said to have been gathered by investigator Bob Fletcher, 66, who, according to Globe, was connected to the case even before Bono died:

He also feels partially responsible for what happened to the California congressman.  

Before Bono's death, Fletcher had been probing the activities of high ranking U.S. military and government officials he claims were raking in millions from arms and drug deals in Central America and Southeast Asia.

He says he sent his shocking findings of corruption, including videotaped evidence, to Bono.

"I later received a call from an assistant in his offices to tell me Sonny had seen my full report and was absolutely livid about the level of corruption I made him aware of," Fletcher tells GLOBE.

"He was going to make it his No. 1 priority when Congress resumed after the Christmas and New Year break.  He was going to go after the biggest names.

"Just 10 days later, I received a call that he was dead.  I'd heard it was suspected his offices had been bugged.  Tragically, that must have been the case.  There's no doubt in my mind Sonny was murdered by someone who needed to silence him."

The new evidence is the long-suppressed autopsy report, itself, which Fletcher obtained and furnished to the Globe. 

After reviewing the shocking secret documents, former FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells GLOBE: "The official version of Sonny Bono's death is hogwash. It's nonsense for anyone to now try to suggest that Bono died after crashing into a tree.

There's zero evidence in this autopsy report or any of these official documents to show such an accident happened.  Instead, there's powerful proof he was assassinated.  "This was an evil plot that was carried out to almost perfection by ruthless assassins."

Even though two of the online Australian newspapers attribute their article to "staff writers," it's the same short article in The Australian, Mercury (The Voice of Tasmania), and The Daily Telegraph (first two links now dead), beginning:

SONNY Bono, former husband and singing partner of superstar Cher, was clubbed to death by hitmen on the orders of drug and weapons dealers who feared he was going to expose them, a former FBI agent claims.

Ted Gunderson, now a private investigator, has told the US Globe tabloid that Bono, who served as mayor of Palm Springs for four years, did not die after hitting a tree on a Nevada ski slope in January 1998 as everyone believed.

So identical, are they, in fact, that all three of them have the first sentence in bold.  Continuing in the brief, rather sketchy article, they say:

Bono, an experienced skier, was ambushed on the slopes by hired hitmen, who beat him to death and then staged a tree collision, Mr. Gunderson said.

He called for authorities to dig up Bono's remains and open a homicide investigation.

His claims have reportedly been backed by top forensics experts who fear Nevada authorities were too quick to call the death a skiing accident.

The Australian papers, it should also be noted, leave the impression that Gunderson is the prime mover in this investigation while only mentioning Fletcher at the end of their article as follows:

Investigator Bob Fletcher had also confessed he sent evidence of a 10-year study that linked top US government officials to arms and weapons dealers to Bono less than a month before his death, the Globe reported.

"(Bono) was going to make it his No.1 priority... There's no doubt in my mind Sonny was murdered by someone who needed him silenced," Mr Fletcher told the paper.

In an email to me on May 13, 2008, Mr. Fletcher was emphatic that Gunderson "has had absolutely nothing to do with this investigation."  (The foregoing section, starting with "The Australian papers...," was added on May 13.)

Interestingly, Yahoo also picked up the story, but it is Yahoo for the United Kingdom and Ireland and Yahoo for Australia (both links now dead).  It would appear that Yahoo is as compliant toward corrupt American authorities as it is toward their counterparts in China.

The Autopsy

How compelling is the new evidence?  The five-page autopsy report prepared by Dr. David E. Palosaari, official pathologist for Washoe County at the time, concluded that the death was caused by "craniocerebral injuries due to blunt force trauma (skiing accident)."

But Globe reports further:

Other injuries detailed in the document included a black eye, swollen lips, bloody nose, bruised jaw, and two upper teeth knocked out, all on the right side of the head.

But the pathologist also noted a series of small fractures in a "central depressed region" on the right side of Bono's skull and found "some of the fractured bone pieces have a curved configuration."

Fletcher consulted a panel of experts and performed a re-creation to determine how these wounds were caused.

He concludes the depressed area was due to blows from a rounded-edged weapon wielded by a man taller than the 5-foot-nine, 165-pound politician and the killer was left-handed since the wounds are on the right side of Bono's face and head.  He also believes there was a second man who held Bono from behind.

Fletcher thinks the murder weapon was a pistol, but other experts tell GLOBE that a gun barrel would have left distinguishable marks.

"Sonny was ambushed and viciously battered to death with a billy club or similar weapon," ex-FBI man Gunderson says.  "The killers staged the crime scene and made it look like a tragic ski-accident."

Fletcher insists the lack of damage to the back of Bono's brain, known as "contra-coup" injuries, is proof that he was beaten to death.  He says people who hit objects face-first normally have brain injuries caused when the organ rebounds off the back of their skull.  And other physical evidence doesn't add up, either, he says.

Strangely for what was called a ski accident, Bono had no smashed ribs, broken knees, neck trauma--or hand injuries that would have come from trying to ward off a collision with a tree, Fletcher says.  And signs that he actually hit the tree--including bark impressions on his face and plant debris on his clothes--are also missing, the investigator says.

And his ski goggles weren't smashed as they likely would have been in a collision, according to the expert.

Fletcher also notes the back of Bono's clothes were soaked with blood--but he had no back wounds.  "The blood must have come from someone else, perhaps when Sonny valiantly fought back and hit one of his assailants," he declares.

The autopsy also mentions a small L-shaped tear on the back of Bono's black and purple Fila ski jacket.  Fletcher says the tear is a likely result of a struggle.  And Gunderson believes the new evidence gathered by Fletcher raises the specter of murder and warrants a new investigation.

Fletcher believes that Bono's wife when they became famous together, Cher, will call for a new investigation when she learns of these new revelations.  Little hope is held out, apparently, that she will be joined by Mary Bono, Sonny's wife at the time of his death.  Mary, who succeeded Sonny in the Congress and has remarried, has suggested publicly that his errant skiing was caused by Sonny having taken too many prescription painkillers.  But that suggestion had already been contradicted by a previously-released toxicology report, said Globe.  Their marriage, which was Sonny's fourth, was said to have been troubled

at the time of his death.

Sonny's mother, Jean, on the other hand, believed all along that he was murdered.  She died in 2005, but not before demanding "a much more thorough investigation" into his death, according to Globe.

A Waco Connection?

Gunderson agrees with Fletcher that the 62-year-old Bono was likely to have been killed because of what he might uncover, or had already uncovered, about illegal drug and arms dealing by high-level government officials.  But there are other possibilities.  When Janet Reno testified before Congress about the final, fatal assault on the Branch Davidians at Waco, Bono was relentless in his questioning about the professed use of CS gas on the confined men, women, and children:

Representative Sonny Bono (R-CA), a member of the full House Crime Committee, was concerned that Ms. Reno had not conducted a more exhaustive study of CS before making a decision. He challenged her claim that she had done all she could to investigate the attributes and hazards of the substance, noting that the U.S. Army Chemical Research and Development Center had confirmed that it knew of no laboratory studies of CS in which the subjects were children. He pointed out that Army databases "contain virtually every study on CS that has ever been conducted by any government or private facility in the world," and stated that he found it "difficult to understand how, after extensive, exhaustive research you failed to uncover the following information that I uncovered in just one day: a report contained in the Journal of the American Medical Association, dated August 4, 1989, that states, I quote, 'Inhalation and toxicology studies at high levels of CS exposure have demonstrated its ability to cause chemical pneumonitis and fatal pulmonary edema.' According to an ear, nose, and throat surgeon that I talked to, pulmonary edema is caused when the mucous membrane is irritated, it secretes mucous which in children and infants plugs up the bronchi. They thus drown in their own saliva and mucous. As soon as the child breathes the fumes, the process begins. Soon after that, the child has little lungs left to breathe, and dies. I find it impossible to believe that with the most powerful law firm in the country, the Department of Justice, at your disposal you could not find this information out, that I found out in one day with two staff members .... So I am sorry to say, Madam Attorney General, that I think you failed there." He concluded with the observation that, in his opinion, "it is the responsibility of the Attorney General in cases like this to research every bit of evidence, and if there is counter evidence, then the error should be on the side of the children."  Robert W. Lee, "Waco Whitewash."

What we see here on display is an independence of mind that is both refreshing and dangerous for an American member of Congress.  Perhaps Bono looked even further into the Waco outrage and found the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum, which concludes that the whole episode was even more vicious and barbaric than almost anyone suspects.  Then again, any member of Congress looking seriously into high level corruption finds himself in what the military calls a "target-rich environment," so who knows what got him killed?  The best comparisons that can be made are to the less well-known investigators Paul Wilcher or Danny Casolaro, or perhaps to another California Congressman, Leo Ryan.

The Tabloid Cover-up Operation

One can hardly argue that the American press has really done the proper job of a free press in a free society because these new revelations have, at least, been published by Globe.  Rather, the opposite is more nearly the case.  There is hardly any better way to discredit a serious story than to have it published in a tabloid, and only in a tabloid.  This Globe story is quite similar to the National Enquirer story about the dubious "suicide" of Enron executive, Cliff Baxter, or the Star story about the George W. Bush-led fraternity at Yale branding pledges with hot coat hangers.  It is well sourced and documented. 

One can bet that Bob Fletcher made a serious effort to get the story covered by "more respectable" news outlets, but was rebuffed.  The same "respectable" news organs are now continuing to cover up for the controlling criminal elite by blacking out what Globe has published.  

What is really impressive is how thoroughgoing and monolithic the whole operation is.  The country is full of reporters who buy groceries in supermarkets just as I do.  One would think that one of them, in one corner or other of this vast country, would spot the Sonny Bono article, would recognize the importance of the story, and would be able to prevail upon his or her editor to follow up on it.  But it hasn't happened yet.  For now it's much bigger news in Australia than it is here, and the odds are very long that not one peep about these Sonny Bono autopsy revelations will be heard anywhere from the American mainstream press.

The same sort of blackout occurred when the former lead investigator for Kenneth Starr, Miquel Rodriguez, spilled the beans about the cover-up of Deputy White House Counsel Vincent Foster's murder, and it happened when the official investigation of the "suicide" of America's first defense secretary, James Forrestal, was made public, and it will occur again.

David Martin, April 6, 2008

Links checked Nov. 22, 2010

 

Note.  Bob Fletcher's investigative reports are available at P.O. Box 216, Bayview, Idaho 83803, email news@bobfletcher.info.  The writer of the Globe article is Bob Burns, email bobburns@globefl.com.

 

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Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-25   22:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: FormerLurker (#42)

Whatever philandering he had done he was not short of courage - he proved that during WWII.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-25   22:09:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Shoonra (#11) (Edited)

There is no evidence that JFK Jr was seriously contemplating a run at the Senate in 1999

According to his good friend he was seriously considering it.

Jfk Jr. Mulled Run For Senate In 2000

Actually not only was he seriously considering running for Senator of NY, he was also seriously considering running for President of the USA.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-10-25   22:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Shoonra (#11)

Not only is the no evidence that JFK Jr was determined to run for the Senate, but there is no particular reason to believe that he would have been a formidable candidate.

Are you nuts! That Senate seat would have been his if he ran for it then according to polls taken before he had this unfortunate "accident."

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-10-25   22:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Original_Intent (#44)

The rule of thumb is that the reports most likely to be true come out within the first 24 hours and usually from independent local outlets. After that the spin machine takes over.

In the matter of JFK Jr., it was several hours, not even a full 24.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-26   1:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Original_Intent (#46)

Whatever philandering he had done he was not short of courage - he proved that during WWII.

No man is without his faults. JFK's positive deeds and courage far outweighed his faults however.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-26   1:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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