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Title: OFFICIAL LIES ABOUT JFK, jr.
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Published: Oct 25, 2011
Author: HOUNDDAWG
Post Date: 2011-10-25 06:23:12 by HOUNDDAWG
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"Kennedy, the 38-year-old son and namesake of America's 35th president, was flying with his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, 33, and his sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette, 34, when his six-seat, single-engine Piper Saratoga crashed seven miles south of his Martha's Vineyard home. All three were killed. A report by the National Transportation Safety Board blamed pilot error for the crash, saying Kennedy, who had been flying for 15 months, was not skilled enough for low-visibility nighttime flying and became disoriented in the hazy sky." Poster Comment: John John Had been flying for 17 years, he had already passed the quals for IFR, and his instructors all said that he was "methodical in his planning". They murdered him, folks. And I'm still sick about it. If you don't have 1:46:48 to watch the video now, please bookmark it and watch it later. The skullduggery surrounding this plane crash is even more obvious than when they murdered his father.
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#61. To: Eric Stratton (#60)
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How would cops/investigators that showed up to a well-planned and thought out "false flag" crime know any different? Most likely impossible to determine. That said, go to the 5 minute mark of the 'tube 'dawg posted in the original article. Tell me what you find problematic with what the narrator says. EDIT: Specifically his statement regarding Teddy Kennedy.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Yes, IYO are there any facts we can take from the comments offered by the narrator?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. The narrator offers us, "someone drugged him and drove his car off a bridge." With nothing else being offered would you agree this isn't a fact.
The reality we have is much darker than the reality we have been taught. It has been commented that "the victors write the history" - so do the "unindicted co-conspirators". We can go all the way back through American history and find elements that have been left out or suppressed - dating from the time of Thomas Jefferson e.g., the Aaron Burr conspiracy, and Jefferson's comments even then of the banksters moving in to take over. You won't find mention in the histories of the Civil War anything about the Rothschild agitators in the South egging on the secessionists. Neither do any of the skoolbook accounts mention the British Forces in Canada waiting to invade once the North and South were spent - nor of the French Force in Mexico. When Lincoln and the North won convincingly the Union Army was too strong for them to take on and so they just sort of melted away. Of course they got even by whacking Lincoln for thwarting their plans. And then we could speak of WWI and its real reasons. It is now almost common knowledge that FDR boxed in the Japanese forcing them to attack in self defense and then withholding the knowledge from the Pacific Commanders, and even Courts Martialing them, in order to make the Japanese attack look like a surprise. Then we have the OSS/CIA and Operation Paperclip, MK Ultra, and on and on into that black hole. We're not in Kansas any more - if we ever were. And along the way there have been numerous assassinations to remove political figures inconvenient to those operating behind the curtain. The murders of JFK, RFK, and JFK Jr. are simply some of the more obvious. A great movie on the assasination of JFK is called Dark Legacy. chilling.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Same here, and unfortunately it takes credibility away from the 'tube.
The video and its amateurish effort to reinvent and resurrect Camelot by painting the Kennedy clan in gold, was a pathetic and childish effort to rewrite history. The entire video and its dialogue borders on being assinine, making one wonder how any intelligent person could possibly give any part of it serious consideration. Within the first minute, photos of the three brothers appear, all dead by the unseen hands of others in one giant world conspiracy. The first to die, Joe, was murdered by Roosevelt, then the other two by Oswald/Sirhan; all by one giant hand of WORLD WIDE conspiracy. Then it is Junior's turn, and once again "they" did it. How childish to allow any credibility to such patent nonsense. To believe that everyone involved over an extensive period of years, lied and falsified the deaths of the Kennedys, is appalling ignorance. As for the aviation aspect, this from FAA publications: "FAA RISK MANAGEMENT HANDBOOK H-8083-2 This FAA handbook provides tools to help pilots determine and assess each situation for the safest possible flight with the least amount of risk. Pilots who practice effective risk management possess predetermined personal standards and have formed habit patterns and checklists to incorporate them. This handbook presents methods pilots can use to manage the workloads associated with each phase of flight, resulting in a safer, more enjoyable and less stressful experience for both themselves and their passengers." In the last 20 years, approximately 85 percent of aviation accidents have been caused by “pilot error”; often the result of a tendency in flight training to focus solely on the physical aspects of flying the aircraft. The flight instructor who integrates risk management into flight training teaches aspiring pilots how to be more aware of potential risks in flying, how to clearly identify those risks, and how to manage them successfully — leading to a solid understanding of how to avoid the most common pilot errors. It speaks for itself. Have a great day.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. As I said early on I haven't enough information about Jr's death to give anything more than my initial feeling. IIRC, he was warned by the ground crew? not to fly that evening, and he disregarded it. It might have been bad weather? Again, that's what I recall so don't hold me to it. Phant in her post above, describes my thoughts on that vid. It's discredited IMO and that's too bad because it hurts the effort of sincere people to find the truth. Could the vid be disinfo designed to do just that? We could pull on that string forever :)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. It was a hit.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson I agree with your #74, and age does have a benefit in the Kennedy matters. I lived through them all, and all save Teddy the sot, raised my antenna. This drugging of him followed by someone unknown driving his car off the bridge is a new one on me. Hell, 'ya think if he realized the government killed his brothers, then this happened to him, he'd take the cork out of his mouth. I sure would. For Teddy, excessive booze, a subservient police department, aided by the local DA, and mega political clout, seems to make sense to me.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. That's my take on his and Mary Jo's night out. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Even pigs (and he was) like to live. But we digress. That tube offered no proof to what appears to be an opinion offered as fact. If Alex Jones prepared that, some heads would explode here :P
For those of us who recall the Sot's Swim in real time, the comment in the vid strikes a funny bone, in a macabre sort of way.
I remember the speculation that she was carrying Ted's child, that more than negligence was involved, etc. etc. The family did nothing to quell it when they (received God knows how much jack) refused to allow an autopsy to be performed on her body. She would have been 71 this year. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Common sense is now a terroristic act.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson There are a number of circumstances in the wake of this crash that don't pass the smell test. The dispostion of the remains of the aircraft and the human remains recovered from the sea are among those. The Boston Globe, among other papers, picked up on the unusual rush in examining the bodies of JFK, his wife and sister-in-law. Again, reading from the Boston Globe (www.boston.com), July 23rd: BOSTON GLOBE: JFK Autopsy Rushed "Still, the autopsies in the Kennedy case were performed especially quickly," pathologists said. ..... "The haste [of the autopsies] in this case," he said, "could lead to questions about the investigation's thoroughness." "Pathologists also follow *COMPLEX RULES* for testing a pilot for drug and alcohol use," Dix said. [JD: They are supposed to follow "complex rules" in testing for drug or alcohol use, but they EVIDENTLY violated those rules, indeed, failed to follow them at all! Alcohol and/or drugs are a MAJOR causative suspect in airplane crashes. Remember Ricky Nelson's death in an airplane crash one New Year's Eve? Can someone find out if the coroner examined for substance abuse in that case?] . "The timing [brief time] of the Kennedy investigation [autopsy], Kirschner said, makes it unlikely that pathologists performed autopsies on Carolyn Bessette Kennedy or Lauren Bessette. You can't possibly do three investigations in four hours, he said." [JD: Well, of course the women's condition would have no effect on the control of the aircraft. But what if there were powder burns on their bodies, suggesting an explosion or a fire onboard? What if a lone nut gunmen had stowed away aboard the plane? After all, you must admit that lone nut gunmen have made a tradition of invading the lives of Kennedy's. Haven't they? What if the gunman was willing to sacrifice his own life? I'm not saying that I believe any of these scenarios. What I AM saying is that the coroner is SUPPOSED to examine the bodies for the POSSIBILITY of these scenarios having occurred. THAT IS HIS JOB!] "Passenger autopsies are also useful, Kirschner said, if a victim's family sues for damages related to the crash. A medical examiner could determine whether the victim suffered in the moments before death, or survived in the minutes or hours after the crash." [JD: Yet, despite the established practice of examining the bodies of passengers, and carefully examining the body of the pilot, in order to determine if the pilot was drinking or on drugs, thus permitting the victims to sue in case of pilot misconduct ... despite these rules, the women's bodies were not even autopsied! Unbelievable! Actually, I think it is quite believable, judging from the first JFK autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital, which was judged by the nation's best assassination researchers to be an outrageously appalling fraud -- a continuation of the assassination cover-up. That is exactly what this second JFK autopsy is showing itself to be, also.] John DiNardo What I also find disconcerting is the haste with which the bodies were cremated and then buried at sea. I find this pretty odd for an upper class Catholic family. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that the victims had a decent burial plot reserved for them where friends, family and admirers could pay their respects. Further, as far as I know, all of the victims of the crash of this private aircraft were private citizens, and none of them had ever worn a uniform. Why were the remains flown out to a destroyer for burial? My "inner cop" tells me that it's likely that someone wanted to make damned sure that the victims' remains were under 100% surveillance and control from the time that they were recovered to the moment that what was left was irretrievably committed to the deep.
Excellent research, and for the sake of argument I concede all your points. Now, nearly 11 years after the government possible killed another Kennedy, what to do? Conspiracies, assassinations, rogue governments have been and will be with us until St. Peter calls us home. I suppose with economic circumstances developing at warp speed and wars now being initiated at the wave of Obama's kingly hand, the details of this plane crash, for me at least, take a back seat to our pending collapse. If one were privy to the Kennedy information, an investigation of any kind could consume years and at the end, we'd be where we started, with one exception; our nation will be further flooded with illegals, and the deficits will continue to build an unsustainable debt. These latter issues concern me far more than the former since I already concede this government is quite capable and willing to kill anyone for any (or no) reason. PS: Back to the vid posted in the original article. It's credibility is damaged 5-mins in when the narrator discusses his assessment of the antics of the Swimming Sot.
And I've been told that 19 angry Arabs who hated us for our freedoms, armed with nothing more than box cutters, pulled off a successful coordinated attack against the World Trade Center towers 1 & 2, along with the Pentagon. I've been told not only that, but that the pilots learned their flying skills from flight simulators, and were so proficient by training that way they could fly commercial airliners at high speed directly into their targets, including a ground level attack against the Pentagon. I've been told those things, yet I'll be damned if I believe them. I didn't know they were cremated and buried at sea. That is strange for a catholic family I think. A plane crash at sea should not have disfigured the bodies too much. I don't know if it is true but I heard he was going to announce a run for president and told the Gore campaign this who promised to keep silent about it till he announced. God is always good!
Huh! new one to me.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson There ain't a lot we can do, but we still have our modest soap box here from which we can sling some of the shit back in the faces of the authors of crimes such as the murder of political figures. Yeah, and we are accustomed to interminable investigations that take forever to finger malefactors. Our system, populated as it is by chislers, gremlins and crooks will never get to the bottom of the sort of questions that we pose here. In point of fact, if there were the will, it would take little more time to prosecute one of these great murders than it would take to render due process in the case of a garden variety manslaughter.
I've been told not only that, but that the pilots learned their flying skills from flight simulators, and were so proficient by training that way they could fly commercial airliners at high speed directly into their targets, including a ground level attack against the Pentagon. I've been told those things, yet I'll be damned if I believe them. I'm not sure where you're going but why should we believe the government, after all we have evidence of the crime (film and physical), not to mention the testimony of 100's of expert witnesses who reject the conspiracy with verifiable fact.
I'm not sure where you're going but why should we believe the government, after all we have evidence of the crime (film and physical), not to mention the testimony of Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Better :)
I hear ya' and share your pain, randge.
Justice delayed is Justice denied. An ancient proverb, I believe. Ancient Truth. “Justice delayed is justice denied.” William E. Gladstone quotes (British Statesman and Prime Minister (1868-1894), and the most prominent man in politics of his time, 1809-1898) Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson More true today, than ever before.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe latter part of your comment spawned a neutral question in my mind;
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#61)
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#63. To: Jethro Tull (#61)
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#64. To: Eric Stratton (#62)
You talkin' about the part about Ted being drugged re: Chappaquiddick?
#65. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
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#66. To: Eric Stratton (#65)
Otherwise, I'm not sure what you mean? We know that Chappaquiddick is "fact" in that it happened.
#67. To: Artisan (#52)
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wow, does it never end? I'd never heard peep one about any of that.
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#71. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
Based on what I know it's not a fact.
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#81. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#78)
For Teddy, excessive booze, a subservient police department, aided by the local DA, and mega political clout, seems to make sense to me.
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#83. To: Lod (#81)
That's my take on his and Mary Jo's night out.
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#87. To: Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull (#7)
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Also interesting was that the debris from the plane was never in public view. It was recovered from the ocean and kept under guard at a military base (shades of the WTC 1&2 debris Batman). As well the bodies were quickly cremated without autopsy. Could it be that autopsy would have shown injuries from an explosion?
Subject: BOSTON GLOBE: JFK Autopsy Rushed Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:37:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John DiNardo To: newshawk@iname.com CC: John DiNardo
#88. To: randge, 4 (#87)
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#89. To: Jethro Tull, Eric Stratton, All (#75)
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IIRC, he was warned by the ground crew? not to fly that evening, and he disregarded it. It might have been bad weather?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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#92. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
what to do?
#93. To: FormerLurker, 4 (#89)
And I've been told that 19 angry Arabs who hated us for our freedoms, armed with nothing more than box cutters, pulled off a successful coordinated attack against the World Trade Center towers 1 & 2, along with the Pentagon.
#94. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
100's 1,000's of expert witnesses who reject the conspiracy with verifiable fact.
#95. To: Lod (#94)
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#97. To: randge (#92)
Yeah, and we are accustomed to interminable investigations that take forever to finger malefactors
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