4um: OFFICIAL LIES ABOUT JFK, jr.

"Kennedy, the 38-year-old son and namesake of America's 35th president, was flying with his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, 33, and his sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette, 34, when his six-seat, single-engine Piper Saratoga crashed seven miles south of his Martha's Vineyard home. All three were killed.

A report by the National Transportation Safety Board blamed pilot error for the crash, saying Kennedy, who had been flying for 15 months, was not skilled enough for low-visibility nighttime flying and became disoriented in the hazy sky."

John John Had been flying for 17 years, he had already passed the quals for IFR, and his instructors all said that he was "methodical in his planning".

If you don't have 1:46:48 to watch the video now, please bookmark it and watch it later. The skullduggery surrounding this plane crash is even more obvious than when they murdered his father.

John F. Kennedy, Jr. obtained his private pilot certificate in April 1998. He received a "high performance airplane" sign-off in his Cessna 182 in June 1998 and a "complex airplane" sign-off in the accident airplane (Piper Saratoga) in May 1999. Although he completed the FAA's written airplane instrument examination about four months before the accident, he did not possess an instrument rating.

Junior's estimated total flight experience, excluding simulator training, was about 310 hours, of which 55 hours were at night. The pilot's estimated flight time in the accident airplane was about 36 hours, of which 9.4 hours were at night. Approximately three hours of that flight time was without a certified flight instructor on board, and about 0.8 hour of that time was flown at night, which included a night landing. You are giving him credit for 17 years of flying time, which is totally misleading and irrelevant. As anyone can see, his RECORD is 310 hours total time as PIC.

Also passing a written IFR ticket exam is not that difficult, passing the instrument flight check is totally different. Junior got himself into a situation that was far beyond his capabilities, VFR rated only and in very marginal VFR conditions.

I would tend to agree. My father was a Flight Instructor so I know that green pilots do sometimes make stupid mistakes in judgment and they can be fatal. One student my father taught killed himself and his two sons when he tried to duplicate a barnstorming trick, without my father's experience, that my father had done in a moment of showing off. I think my father always felt responsible for it because if he hadn't flown under that bridge his student might not have thought to try it. Sad.

However, stupid beginner pilot stunts aside the circumstances around JFK Jr.'s "crash" seem to be disturbingly clear.

The one that has always stood out for me was that just before his plane went down he had radioed the tower at Martha's Vineyard letting them know he had the landing field lights in sight and was beginning his final approach. That directly contradicts the assertion that he was lost in a cloud bank resulting in his spiraling out of control. Yes, if you lose your orientation, and don't know how to use the artificial horizon, you can go into a death spiral. However, from the radio contact with the tower that would appear to NOT be the case.

What did occur was that he began his descent and then abruptly lost contact and plummeted almost straight down. That is consistent with Sherman Skolnick's assertion that it was likely a barometric bomb in the tail section which blew the plane's tail off along with the control surfaces when he began his descent and passed below the trigger level.

Also interesting was that the debris from the plane was never in public view. It was recovered from the ocean and kept under guard at a military base (shades of the WTC 1&2 debris Batman). As well the bodies were quickly cremated without autopsy. Could it be that autopsy would have shown injuries from an explosion?

I am fairly sure they lied about there being low visibility. He was seriously considering running for Senator in NY. That of course would have meant Hillary would have no chance against him. I have always thought he was killed. The elite were scared to death he would become the President in the future and get revenge on them for killing his father and uncle. They were not going to let that happen.

Yep, that is it. I bet she laughed her head off about it just like she laughed about Gaddafi being killed. The elite are just like Hillary, pure evil.

There is no evidence that JFK Jr was seriously contemplating a run at the Senate in 1999 (nor, at that same time, that Hillary was determined to run in NY), nor is there any affirmative evidence of foul play in his plane crash. He had limited piloting experience (I am curious why someone would claim he had been piloting for 17 years when his pilot's license was only slightly more than on year old at the time) and was rushing to arrive at a family wedding, notwithstanding any difficulties about weather or visibility.

Not only is the no evidence that JFK Jr was determined to run for the Senate, but there is no particular reason to believe that he would have been a formidable candidate. He had repeatedly failed the NY Bar Exam ("the hunk that flunked"), he had failed as a magazine publisher ("George"), and he had not been particularly visible in politics.

You obviously know nothing regarding his doomed flight. Did you even bother watching the video?

Exactly. He wasn't murdered. He was a poor flyer. He was in over his head -- literally.

He was a meticulous and cautious pilot according to every one of his flight instructors. In fact, there are indications that there WAS a flight instructor on board that flight.

Why did the Pentagon take over the "rescue" and delay the actual search for 15 hours, and lie about the fact that he had contacted the tower on his final approach?

Why did the Coast Guard fail to initiate a search in the area till actual debris washed up on shore? And why did his plane nose dive down from 2500 feet where he was lined up with the runway?

Why did the Air Force and FAA lie about his "failure to file a flight plan", where he ALWAYS filed a flight plan everytime he flew? Why did they lie about his failure to contact Air Traffic Control, when the FAA initially reported that he had contacted Air Traffic Control just moments before his plane descended abruptly from 2500 feet, asking for permission to land and indicating he had the airport runway lights in sight?

The lies about his "being a poor flier" are about as valid as the lies concerning Oswald being the lone nut who murdered his father. If you checked the facts, you'd understand that.

There is no mention of Joe in #9. Please fill us in on your thoughts. Regardless, the facts regarding JFK Jr.'s death indicate he was murdered by the establishment, whether or not he was aiming for high office, which he more than likely was.

He DID publish some VERY damaging articles regarding their deep dark secrets, including an article by Oliver Stone regarding his father's murder.

He was not a pushover like his uncle Teddy (who was silenced into submission in various ways), or his cousin Joe who apparently has had issues of his own.

No. 9 refers to his "father and uncle". See http://www.aviationmuseum.net/Joe_Kennedy.htm

So JFK's brother died on a secret mission during WWII. How does that disprove anything?

I can't accept that Joe Kennedy or his co-pilot, Wilford John Willy, BOTH volunteers for this secret mission, were then killed by "them" as part of a conspiracy.

Neither I nor anyone else here has suggested that, other than you raising that notion in regards to JFK Jr.'s death.

Please try to follow the discussion. Nobody said he was PART of the conspiracy. People are saying he was whacked by the same CONSPIRATORS as those who whacked his brother, President John F Kennedy.

Try reading No. 9 again, and those before it that caused the response in that item. Be objective, please ... I'm not here to be addressed as if I were a nincompoop. I see you saw the word "conspirators"!

Perhaps this will be easier for you to understand my post: This deep dark conspiracy started with Joe Jr, and has now encompassed all four. All of them have been done in by "they" and "them".

Some basic questions before an investigation begin are; who, what, where, how and why. I love HD to death so I'll keep an open mind on this one, but my knee jerk "inner cop" says accident.

The reference to JFK Jr. and his UNCLE (note it was SINGULAR, not PLURAL) that Ricky posted is the following;

The elite were scared to death he would become the President in the future and get revenge on them for killing his father and uncle. They were not going to let that happen.

You obviously misread the word UNCLE and thought it said UNCLES. Nowhere else but that post mentions anything about JFK Jr. looking into the death of his uncle, who's obviously the assassinated uncle, RFK.

Why are you tap dancing here? Is there a purpose other than tossing doubt onto the basic premise of JFK Jr. being himself assassinated by the same group of people involved in the assassinations of his father and uncle?

JT, did you wonder why they lied when they claimed he hadn't contacted the tower, when the Coast Guard reported that he had contacted the tower seconds before his fatal plunge, where he had requested permission to land and was about to commence his final approach, noting that he had the runway lights in sight?

Did you ever wonder why they didn't even search the area of the crash for 15 hours?

Let me get up to speed on this. I fully admit I haven't given it a lot of thought. Again, the basic questions should be answered before diving in, IMO.

Particularly Hitlery Klinton. He would have smoked her in the primary and the Senate Seat was a payoff and set-up to possibly position her for the pResidency.

Shoonie baby wants us to pretend that such arrangements and plans are not made well in advance. Had JFK Jr. entered the race for the primary the woman with all the charm of a lizard would have finished a distant second at best. She wouldn't have won as it is except that Jew York is dominated by Yella' Dog Democrats who would eat Pork before they would vote for ANY Republican.

As well JFK Jr.'s inner circle did say that he was talking seriously about a run for the open Senate Seat.

Thanks to media conditioning many, a majority even, of the Sheeple just don't get it that political assassinations DO happen here.

On his third birthday, he stood and saluted. Do three year olds understand great turning points in history? He stood there as the flag-draped coffin of his father was slowly drawn past. His only son watching the funeral of John F. Kennedy, assassinated 35th president of the United States. He knew as he grew up that it was his mother's wish that for their safety, no statements be made by them contradicting the big lie of the government, that a "lone assassin" blew out the brains of his father, right in front of numerous witnesses. Thereafter, dozens, if not hundreds of material witnesses were themselves murdered, such as the CIA patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Oswald's murderer, Jack Ruby, and a long list.

John F. Kennedy,Jr. knew that dark forces opposed the terrible truth. His father was ouraged on going along with a disaster shortly after taking office. The Bay of Pigs fiasco, April,1961. President Kennedy fired Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles who reportedly muttered under his breath to JFK, "Traitor". Was there justification for political murder and if so, when,if ever, will the high-level forces go "public"? The President vowed to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind.

Too many assassination researchers are busy writing and selling books with conspiracy theories, and videos of the same, or setting up paid lectures and seminars, to go beyond describing what took place in Dealey Plaza. As a non-commercial assassination researcher, when I come to some political assassination seminars I am appalled how I am treated by supposed friends and acquaintances. They hoot and heckle me when I try to ask a question beyond which way the bullets went in Dealey Plaza.

1. Such as John F. Kennedy and his friend, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., were closet communists, at least the FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and various Directors of CIA believed that.
2. Although Kennedy once explained he was only nominally a Catholic, there were the controllers of America, if not the world, who believed the U.S. should not have a Catholic President. That has been the prevailing view from the downfall of Al Smith as presidential candidate in the 1920s to this very day. And the same forces opposed Jews on the U.S. Supreme Court and the two that did somehow get on the high court after World War Two who were removed. Justice Abe Fortas was removed by a trumped up scandal. Justice Arthur Goldberg was arm-twisted into resigning from the high court and serving instead on the United Nations. They were perceived as making too "liberal" decisions for the common man.

3. Those who call the shots, who govern us NOT by the consent of the governed, were and are afraid of the Vatican connection. Such thinking was involved in blaming certain factions centuries ago for the Gunpowder Plot in England and the period of great bloodshed with Oliver Cromwell.

4. The strongest justification for blowing out Kennedy's brains in an open car was that his his charm and language, he was causing a bad psychological view to sweep the great unwashed of America: that the era of the common man has arrived, a dangerous and seditious idea to those who rule by deceit and trickery while promising ordinary people a so-called "Bill of Rights". Some loudmouths proclaim a new "Bill of Rights" is needed to smash the "Bill of Wrongs". In federal courts, long-dominated from the early years of this nation by multi-millionaire banker-judges, the U.S. Constitution too often is a mirage and a dead letter. Americans of European lineage say, it is dangerous to bother the people from the high windows.

5. And there are and were some with Jewish surnames, not necessarily followers of Judaism, who believed and still believe. that no Kennedy should occupy the White House. They have put a "blood libel" on the entire Kennedy family: that "Founding Father" Joseph P.Kennedy was pro-Hitler as U.S. Ambassador to London up to 1940,and was viciously anti-Jewish. Using his London office, Ambassador Kennedy brokered a deal between Nazi chemical monopoly I.G. Farben and Rockefeller's Standard Oil of New Jersey. To share the profits of business and this deal was made actually THREE WEEKS AFTER THE ONSET OF WORLD WAR TWO in September, 1939. This unholy arrangement, which went on while ordinary people of U.S. and Germany killed each other, shared the profits by two supposed enemy corporate entities all during the conflict, done by fraudulently backdating the deal with Kennedy's help to several weeks BEFORE the Nazis attacked Poland. (See: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

AND: some pointed to the fact that the Kennedy fortune was built, in part, with mobster aid, by Joe Kennedy supplying smuggled in booze into the U.S. all during Prohibition, done by Joe Kennedy on behalf of British royalty who wanted the profits from their Scottish brands of spirits. This was done through a little known French island in the mouth of the St. Lawrence Seaway. During the war, as shown by little mentioned court records, U.S. ships returning from war-time England after delivering weapons, brought back booze on behalf of Joseph P. Kennedy's liquor distribution network, Somerset Importers Ltd. At the time of the murder of President Kennedy, the Kennedy family booze distribution, Somerset, fell into other hands. Yet, the Kennedy's continued to profit from five out of every eight booze label goods distributed in the U.S. This was admitted to me, on tape, by a Somerset managerial official.
A thinly-disguised, so-called "fictional" movie of such happenings of an Irish patriarch with gangster and espionage links in conflict with his son the President, somehow causes the President to be murdered. The movie "Winter Kills" was suppressed from distribution in the U.S. by the Kennedys, according to a tape interview I did with a major movie producer who produced that film.

6. Further, some with quite an impressive list of apparently documented facts,want to blame JFK's murder on Israel. They point to the fact that Kennedy, as U.S. Senator in 1957, made statements opposing the aspirations of the then new State of Israel. And further, that Chicago gangsters, supposedly Jewish, aided the American CIA, in the Dallas murder. ["Final Judgment" by Michael Collins Piper.]

John F. Kennedy, Jr. grew up, well-educated, having some knowledge of this factual backdrop. He was aware that his uncle Edward Kennedy was nearly assassinated in the summer of 1964, in being one of the few survivors of a sabotaged plane crash. Teddy as a result wears a back brace. John-John as he is called is aware that his uncle Robert F. Kennedy opposed the CIA. In fact, in March, 1967, Bobby touched off a tremendous scandal wherein there were identified numerous foundations, set up by prominent families, as conduits and pass-through of CIA clandestine funds for covert projects. {Thereafter, I and my associates started an on-going, intensive project to find out how it worked and continues to work up to this date.]

John-John was aware, that although publicly agreeing with the "lone assassin" finding of the Warren Commission, uncle Bobby Kennedy secretly vowed, if elected President, he would bring to justice the high-level perpetrators of the Dallas murder. Bobby was himself assassinated in June, 1968, just after winning the important California presidential primary. Supposedly by a "lone assassin".

Like his father and two uncles, John F. Kennedy, Jr., intended to run for president. NOT WAY INTO THE FUTURE BUT IN THE 2000 election! It was supposed to be a deep, deep secret until about August 1, 1999. Like the tragedy with his uncle Bobby, John-John secretly vowed, if elected President, to bring the cabal that murdered his father to the gallows and a national firing squad, a punishment upon guilty verdict to be provided by a special tribunal set up for the purpose.

George Herbert Walker Bush heard about it through his cronies at CIA and vowed to stop John-John. By the way, a little known FBI document shows the elder Bush played some role in the cover up of the murder of JFK. Old man Bush's son, George W.-----could he win in 2000 against a non-scandal scarred John F. Kennedy, Jr.? On the other hand, the campaign camp of Presidential Candidate Albert Gore, Jr. is baffled. Would this tend to flatten out Gore's plans? The very few Democrats trusted to know, or somehow who knew, believed America's Golden Boy, would dispose of all opposition and take the Democrat Party to victory in 2000 and traditional Democrat Party values. After all, some consider CLinton a closet Republican by how he has damaged the Democrat Party.

The Vatican gave its blessings to John-John but promised to stay out of the picture so as not to trigger the traditional bigots in the U.S. John F. Kennedy, Jr., however, was toying with the idea of running as an independent, third party candidate, to deal with the anguish of many Americans unhappy with both political parties.

John-John was worried that the U.S. Secret Service could not and would not protect him. He rightfully believed that what is now called the U.S. Secret Service was complicit in the murder of President Abraham Lincoln. (See: "The Lincoln Conspiracy" by Balsiger.] They were complicit in the murders of President Garfield and McKinley as well as the murder of his father. For the good of the nation, he told his closest confidants, he would risk it. Like his father, he was ready to use his charm and language to give the idea that the era of the common man has arrived.

All this was snuffed out by the apparently ritual murder of John F. Kennedy, Jr., typical of the espionage assassins who do their bloody trick on anniversaries:
July 16, 1999: Anniversary of apparent missile shoot-down of TWO Flight 800, covered up by Bill Clinton in 1996 so as not to interfere with the Presidential election, this with the complicity of the FBI and the National Transportation Safety Board. Two days later is the anniversary of the frame-up of Teddy Kennedy, 1969, regarding Chappaquidick. John Jr.'s uncle Teddy was somehow trapped into getting blamed for the death of a "boiler room" women, Mary Jo Kopecne, one of a group of women keeping records on colored cards, at the 1960 Democratic Convention. Robert Kennedy in charge of the "boiler room" developed a system to indicate what convention delegates could be bought with sex or money and such, so as to make brother John the convention winner for sure. This date in 1989 was when the Vatican's giant soybean operation in the U.S. was destroyed by Archer-Daniels-Midland and Cargill with the aid of directors of the Chicago Board of Trade who bribed five Chicago federal judges to torpedo the aspirations of Ferruzzi, the Vatican's American company. {The confession of bribery by a Board of Trade director made to me and a witness is part of the undisputed federal court record.] More about this in Part Two. The ritual murder of John F. Kennedy, Jr. near the anniversary date of the Ferruzzi debacle, sends a message to would-be justice seekers. But the Vatican has not forgotten or forgiven what was done to their company by the unholy dealings.

And about this date in 1978, John D. Rockefeller 3rd was assassinated near the Rockefeller compound in upstate New York. I was the only reporter to make inquiry of possible foul play. AND about this date in 1996, Amschel Rothschild, about to be designated as the new head of the family worldwide fortune and empire, was assassinated in Paris and written off as a suicide but the Paris police say it was not suicide.
[I and my associates have developed expertise in airplane sabotage inquiries, sharing details with experts worldwide. My book in 1973, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage", was greatly opposed by the airline industry that caused the book to be stopped in the printing cycle. No copies of the book are now available.]

I suspected as much immediately as I was following it as it unfolded. Too many inconsistencies and discrepancies between the initial reports and the spin later reported as news.

Being that there were outright lies told, it became obvious very quickly. That it later became apparent that he WAS considering a NY senate run, it became clear as day what had just occured.

What cemented it all was the smear campaign launched against him almost immediately after the event, with no bearing in fact.

President John F Kennedy was possibly one of the greatest champions of Liberty this nation has ever had, and the courage to follow his convictions. That is why he HAD to be "neutralized".

what about sonny b? was that a conspiracy too? Given the hippies first & 2nd fruitcake wives, & freakshow daughter, Id have thought the likes of sonny would fit right in in washington.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

The rule of thumb is that the reports most likely to be true come out within the first 24 hours and usually from independent local outlets. After that the spin machine takes over.

The Cover-up of Sonny Bono's Murder

News Suppression

I may not be very insightful,
But I do find it less than delightful
That way 'cross the sea

They can read more than me
About goings-on here that are frightful.

It is now news in Australia that new evidence has turned up that suggests that California congressman Sonny Bono was murdered and did not die in a skiing accident as we have been told repeatedly. Although he was an American whose job was to represent Americans, as far as the mainstream United States press is concerned this news is unworthy of the attention of the people of the United States. This is the same American press, of course, that never breathed the slightest hint of suspicion that there might have been foul play involved when the experienced skier Bono was reported to have slammed into a tree at the Heavenly Ski resort in Nevada on January 5, 1998. There were no witnesses, the autopsy report was not released to the public, and Bono had shown himself to be something of a thorn in the side of official Washington, which is probably all the more reason for the lapdogs who call themselves journalists to have dummied up.

For Americans, the new revelations can be found buried away--and ignored by "respectable people"--in the U.S. supermarket tabloid, Globe, of April 14, which hit the news racks on April 4. They were said to have been gathered by investigator Bob Fletcher, 66, who, according to Globe, was connected to the case even before Bono died:

He also feels partially responsible for what happened to the California congressman.

Before Bono's death, Fletcher had been probing the activities of high ranking U.S. military and government officials he claims were raking in millions from arms and drug deals in Central America and Southeast Asia.

He says he sent his shocking findings of corruption, including videotaped evidence, to Bono.

"I later received a call from an assistant in his offices to tell me Sonny had seen my full report and was absolutely livid about the level of corruption I made him aware of," Fletcher tells GLOBE.

"He was going to make it his No. 1 priority when Congress resumed after the Christmas and New Year break. He was going to go after the biggest names.

"Just 10 days later, I received a call that he was dead. I'd heard it was suspected his offices had been bugged. Tragically, that must have been the case. There's no doubt in my mind Sonny was murdered by someone who needed to silence him."

The new evidence is the long-suppressed autopsy report, itself, which Fletcher obtained and furnished to the Globe.

After reviewing the shocking secret documents, former FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells GLOBE: "The official version of Sonny Bono's death is hogwash. It's nonsense for anyone to now try to suggest that Bono died after crashing into a tree.

There's zero evidence in this autopsy report or any of these official documents to show such an accident happened. Instead, there's powerful proof he was assassinated. "This was an evil plot that was carried out to almost perfection by ruthless assassins."

Even though two of the online Australian newspapers attribute their article to "staff writers," it's the same short article in The Australian, Mercury (The Voice of Tasmania), and The Daily Telegraph (first two links now dead), beginning:

SONNY Bono, former husband and singing partner of superstar Cher, was clubbed to death by hitmen on the orders of drug and weapons dealers who feared he was going to expose them, a former FBI agent claims.

Ted Gunderson, now a private investigator, has told the US Globe tabloid that Bono, who served as mayor of Palm Springs for four years, did not die after hitting a tree on a Nevada ski slope in January 1998 as everyone believed.

So identical, are they, in fact, that all three of them have the first sentence in bold. Continuing in the brief, rather sketchy article, they say:

Bono, an experienced skier, was ambushed on the slopes by hired hitmen, who beat him to death and then staged a tree collision, Mr. Gunderson said.

He called for authorities to dig up Bono's remains and open a homicide investigation.

His claims have reportedly been backed by top forensics experts who fear Nevada authorities were too quick to call the death a skiing accident.

The Australian papers, it should also be noted, leave the impression that Gunderson is the prime mover in this investigation while only mentioning Fletcher at the end of their article as follows:

Investigator Bob Fletcher had also confessed he sent evidence of a 10-year study that linked top US government officials to arms and weapons dealers to Bono less than a month before his death, the Globe reported.

"(Bono) was going to make it his No.1 priority... There's no doubt in my mind Sonny was murdered by someone who needed him silenced," Mr Fletcher told the paper.

In an email to me on May 13, 2008, Mr. Fletcher was emphatic that Gunderson "has had absolutely nothing to do with this investigation." (The foregoing section, starting with "The Australian papers...," was added on May 13.)

Interestingly, Yahoo also picked up the story, but it is Yahoo for the United Kingdom and Ireland and Yahoo for Australia (both links now dead). It would appear that Yahoo is as compliant toward corrupt American authorities as it is toward their counterparts in China.

The Autopsy

How compelling is the new evidence? The five-page autopsy report prepared by Dr. David E. Palosaari, official pathologist for Washoe County at the time, concluded that the death was caused by "craniocerebral injuries due to blunt force trauma (skiing accident)."

But Globe reports further:

Other injuries detailed in the document included a black eye, swollen lips, bloody nose, bruised jaw, and two upper teeth knocked out, all on the right side of the head.

But the pathologist also noted a series of small fractures in a "central depressed region" on the right side of Bono's skull and found "some of the fractured bone pieces have a curved configuration."

Fletcher consulted a panel of experts and performed a re-creation to determine how these wounds were caused.

He concludes the depressed area was due to blows from a rounded-edged weapon wielded by a man taller than the 5-foot-nine, 165-pound politician and the killer was left-handed since the wounds are on the right side of Bono's face and head. He also believes there was a second man who held Bono from behind.

Fletcher thinks the murder weapon was a pistol, but other experts tell GLOBE that a gun barrel would have left distinguishable marks.

"Sonny was ambushed and viciously battered to death with a billy club or similar weapon," ex-FBI man Gunderson says. "The killers staged the crime scene and made it look like a tragic ski-accident."

Fletcher insists the lack of damage to the back of Bono's brain, known as "contra-coup" injuries, is proof that he was beaten to death. He says people who hit objects face-first normally have brain injuries caused when the organ rebounds off the back of their skull. And other physical evidence doesn't add up, either, he says.

Strangely for what was called a ski accident, Bono had no smashed ribs, broken knees, neck trauma--or hand injuries that would have come from trying to ward off a collision with a tree, Fletcher says. And signs that he actually hit the tree--including bark impressions on his face and plant debris on his clothes--are also missing, the investigator says.

And his ski goggles weren't smashed as they likely would have been in a collision, according to the expert.

Fletcher also notes the back of Bono's clothes were soaked with blood--but he had no back wounds. "The blood must have come from someone else, perhaps when Sonny valiantly fought back and hit one of his assailants," he declares.

The autopsy also mentions a small L-shaped tear on the back of Bono's black and purple Fila ski jacket. Fletcher says the tear is a likely result of a struggle. And Gunderson believes the new evidence gathered by Fletcher raises the specter of murder and warrants a new investigation.

Fletcher believes that Bono's wife when they became famous together, Cher, will call for a new investigation when she learns of these new revelations. Little hope is held out, apparently, that she will be joined by Mary Bono, Sonny's wife at the time of his death. Mary, who succeeded Sonny in the Congress and has remarried, has suggested publicly that his errant skiing was caused by Sonny having taken too many prescription painkillers. But that suggestion had already been contradicted by a previously-released toxicology report, said Globe. Their marriage, which was Sonny's fourth, was said to have been troubled

at the time of his death.

Sonny's mother, Jean, on the other hand, believed all along that he was murdered. She died in 2005, but not before demanding "a much more thorough investigation" into his death, according to Globe.

A Waco Connection?

Gunderson agrees with Fletcher that the 62-year-old Bono was likely to have been killed because of what he might uncover, or had already uncovered, about illegal drug and arms dealing by high-level government officials. But there are other possibilities. When Janet Reno testified before Congress about the final, fatal assault on the Branch Davidians at Waco, Bono was relentless in his questioning about the professed use of CS gas on the confined men, women, and children:

Representative Sonny Bono (R-CA), a member of the full House Crime Committee, was concerned that Ms. Reno had not conducted a more exhaustive study of CS before making a decision. He challenged her claim that she had done all she could to investigate the attributes and hazards of the substance, noting that the U.S. Army Chemical Research and Development Center had confirmed that it knew of no laboratory studies of CS in which the subjects were children. He pointed out that Army databases "contain virtually every study on CS that has ever been conducted by any government or private facility in the world," and stated that he found it "difficult to understand how, after extensive, exhaustive research you failed to uncover the following information that I uncovered in just one day: a report contained in the Journal of the American Medical Association, dated August 4, 1989, that states, I quote, 'Inhalation and toxicology studies at high levels of CS exposure have demonstrated its ability to cause chemical pneumonitis and fatal pulmonary edema.' According to an ear, nose, and throat surgeon that I talked to, pulmonary edema is caused when the mucous membrane is irritated, it secretes mucous which in children and infants plugs up the bronchi. They thus drown in their own saliva and mucous. As soon as the child breathes the fumes, the process begins. Soon after that, the child has little lungs left to breathe, and dies. I find it impossible to believe that with the most powerful law firm in the country, the Department of Justice, at your disposal you could not find this information out, that I found out in one day with two staff members .... So I am sorry to say, Madam Attorney General, that I think you failed there." He concluded with the observation that, in his opinion, "it is the responsibility of the Attorney General in cases like this to research every bit of evidence, and if there is counter evidence, then the error should be on the side of the children." Robert W. Lee, "Waco Whitewash."

What we see here on display is an independence of mind that is both refreshing and dangerous for an American member of Congress. Perhaps Bono looked even further into the Waco outrage and found the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum, which concludes that the whole episode was even more vicious and barbaric than almost anyone suspects. Then again, any member of Congress looking seriously into high level corruption finds himself in what the military calls a "target-rich environment," so who knows what got him killed? The best comparisons that can be made are to the less well-known investigators Paul Wilcher or Danny Casolaro, or perhaps to another California Congressman, Leo Ryan.

The Tabloid Cover-up Operation

One can hardly argue that the American press has really done the proper job of a free press in a free society because these new revelations have, at least, been published by Globe. Rather, the opposite is more nearly the case. There is hardly any better way to discredit a serious story than to have it published in a tabloid, and only in a tabloid. This Globe story is quite similar to the National Enquirer story about the dubious "suicide" of Enron executive, Cliff Baxter, or the Star story about the George W. Bush-led fraternity at Yale branding pledges with hot coat hangers. It is well sourced and documented.

One can bet that Bob Fletcher made a serious effort to get the story covered by "more respectable" news outlets, but was rebuffed. The same "respectable" news organs are now continuing to cover up for the controlling criminal elite by blacking out what Globe has published.

What is really impressive is how thoroughgoing and monolithic the whole operation is. The country is full of reporters who buy groceries in supermarkets just as I do. One would think that one of them, in one corner or other of this vast country, would spot the Sonny Bono article, would recognize the importance of the story, and would be able to prevail upon his or her editor to follow up on it. But it hasn't happened yet. For now it's much bigger news in Australia than it is here, and the odds are very long that not one peep about these Sonny Bono autopsy revelations will be heard anywhere from the American mainstream press.

The same sort of blackout occurred when the former lead investigator for Kenneth Starr, Miquel Rodriguez, spilled the beans about the cover-up of Deputy White House Counsel Vincent Foster's murder, and it happened when the official investigation of the "suicide" of America's first defense secretary, James Forrestal, was made public, and it will occur again.

David Martin, April 6, 2008

Links checked Nov. 22, 2010

Note. Bob Fletcher's investigative reports are available at P.O. Box 216, Bayview, Idaho 83803, email news@bobfletcher.info. The writer of the Globe article is Bob Burns, email bobburns@globefl.com.

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Whatever philandering he had done he was not short of courage - he proved that during WWII.

Actually not only was he seriously considering running for Senator of NY, he was also seriously considering running for President of the USA.

Are you nuts! That Senate seat would have been his if he ran for it then according to polls taken before he had this unfortunate "accident."

No man is without his faults. JFK's positive deeds and courage far outweighed his faults however.

Wow, a very smart man. It is too bad he was before my time. He would put our recent presidents to shame. I bet he didn't even have a teleprompter or a speech writer for this speech. At least in this speech, he sounded like a man who gave a damn.

wow, does it never end? I'd never heard peep one about any of that. Get John Hall, fellow pop star congressman ('dance with me!") on the case, pronto. Sonny Bono Truth Now!

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

"The same variables that affect the cost of learning to fly will affect the time it takes to earn your certificate. The FAA has established the minimum number of flight hours needed to obtain a certificate. Under Part 61 of the federal aviation regulations, the minimums are 20 hours for a sport pilot certificate, 30 hours for a recreational certificate, and 40 hours for a private pilot certificate.

Some schools operate under an alternate regulation, Part 141, which provides more FAA oversight, more rigid schedules, and more paperwork. The added requirements allow them to reduce the minimum hours of private pilot training to 35 hours. However, many schools believe that a true average flight training time for a private pilot is between 50 and 60 hours, whether the school operates under Part 61 or Part 141. Others believe that 68 to 70 hours is the more likely average. These flight hours can be spread over a time span of several months to a year or more."

JFK Jr. had between six and ten times the required number of hours to qualify for a license. (This puts your attempt to make his 300 plus hours seem like a paltry number in an honest perspective. Sorry, but I had to do it.)

And, according to all honest sources with no agenda he never flew without an instructor. (Care to guess the cost of accruing so many hours accompanied by a CFI?)

The fact that he may have taken years to finally get a license makes sense when one considers that A) in order to qualify a certain amount of hours must be accrued within a limited time period, and B) he was one of the busiest men in America and involved in many other activities and he was in no hurry to be another licensed but marginally experienced pilot.

Regarding the assertion that he was "VFR rated only and in very marginal VFR conditions." , that is a whopper that even the ugly conspirators long ago abandoned. The official weather record shows that it was a blue bird evening for flying with visibility in excess of ten miles. And having passed the tests for his instrument ticket all he needed was a few more hours. You seem to want to ignore the fact that he had multiples of the hours and experience needed for a pilot license and an even an instructor's license, many more than others who already held the official govt paperwork but weren't nearly as experienced.

This thread has been an interesting study in the triggering of Pavlovian responses by the shills at 4um.

I'd like to thank those who are much more capable than I who set the record straight. With the exception of Turdle (who is just stupid in my view) the shills reflexively took the bait like predator fish who are hardwired to attack wounded or dying fish even if the predator isn't otherwise hungry or biting.

And, Jethro Tull, if you please I'd appreciate it if you'd read up on the murder of JFK, jr., his wife and sister-in-law. (The provable lies from the govt are stark and a matter of record) And, I believe you'll form the opinion that he was a conscientious and careful pilot who was in no hurry to receive the official blessing of the same govt that closed ranks around those who murdered his father and uncle. He was more concerned with being the best pilot he could be in each of his planes, and like you and I he'd have never put his loved ones at risk if he could have avoided it. And, he could have been licensed years before (like many who were and are licensed with a fraction of his logged flight hours) if bragging rights was what he was about.

And, Shoonra, had JFK, jr. chosen to run for any office you would have seen that he was the most beloved and electable candidate in our lifetimes, and you'd have been forced to resort to some other slimy avenue of attack in order to fulfill your mission.

Great post. The two outstanding and irrefutable factoids are that the weather was clear and he wouldn't commit suicide to off his wife and her sister.

EDIT: (Not to forget the 15.5 hour delay in initiating a Search and Rescue mission).

Shoonra should head everyone's bozo list since reponses from this troll are predictable and foolish.

"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Most likely impossible to determine. That said, go to the 5 minute mark of the 'tube 'dawg posted in the original article. Tell me what you find problematic with what the narrator says.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Yes, IYO are there any facts we can take from the comments offered by the narrator?

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

The narrator offers us, "someone drugged him and drove his car off a bridge." With nothing else being offered would you agree this isn't a fact.

The reality we have is much darker than the reality we have been taught. It has been commented that "the victors write the history" - so do the "unindicted co-conspirators".

We can go all the way back through American history and find elements that have been left out or suppressed - dating from the time of Thomas Jefferson e.g., the Aaron Burr conspiracy, and Jefferson's comments even then of the banksters moving in to take over.

You won't find mention in the histories of the Civil War anything about the Rothschild agitators in the South egging on the secessionists. Neither do any of the skoolbook accounts mention the British Forces in Canada waiting to invade once the North and South were spent - nor of the French Force in Mexico. When Lincoln and the North won convincingly the Union Army was too strong for them to take on and so they just sort of melted away. Of course they got even by whacking Lincoln for thwarting their plans.

It is now almost common knowledge that FDR boxed in the Japanese forcing them to attack in self defense and then withholding the knowledge from the Pacific Commanders, and even Courts Martialing them, in order to make the Japanese attack look like a surprise.

Then we have the OSS/CIA and Operation Paperclip, MK Ultra, and on and on into that black hole.

And along the way there have been numerous assassinations to remove political figures inconvenient to those operating behind the curtain. The murders of JFK, RFK, and JFK Jr. are simply some of the more obvious.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

The video and its amateurish effort to reinvent and resurrect Camelot by painting the Kennedy clan in gold, was a pathetic and childish effort to rewrite history.

The entire video and its dialogue borders on being assinine, making one wonder how any intelligent person could possibly give any part of it serious consideration. Within the first minute, photos of the three brothers appear, all dead by the unseen hands of others in one giant world conspiracy.

The first to die, Joe, was murdered by Roosevelt, then the other two by Oswald/Sirhan; all by one giant hand of WORLD WIDE conspiracy. Then it is Junior's turn, and once again "they" did it. How childish to allow any credibility to such patent nonsense. To believe that everyone involved over an extensive period of years, lied and falsified the deaths of the Kennedys, is appalling ignorance.

This FAA handbook provides tools to help pilots determine and assess each situation for the safest possible flight with the least amount of risk. Pilots who practice effective risk management possess predetermined personal standards and have formed habit patterns and checklists to incorporate them. This handbook presents methods pilots can use to manage the workloads associated with each phase of flight, resulting in a safer, more enjoyable and less stressful experience for both themselves and their passengers."

In the last 20 years, approximately 85 percent of aviation accidents have been caused by “pilot error”; often the result of a tendency in flight training to focus solely on the physical aspects of flying the aircraft. The flight instructor who integrates risk management into flight training teaches aspiring pilots how to be more aware of potential risks in flying, how to clearly identify those risks, and how to manage them successfully — leading to a solid understanding of how to avoid the most common pilot errors.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

As I said early on I haven't enough information about Jr's death to give anything more than my initial feeling. IIRC, he was warned by the ground crew? not to fly that evening, and he disregarded it. It might have been bad weather? Again, that's what I recall so don't hold me to it. Phant in her post above, describes my thoughts on that vid. It's discredited IMO and that's too bad because it hurts the effort of sincere people to find the truth. Could the vid be disinfo designed to do just that? We could pull on that string forever :)

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

I agree with your #74, and age does have a benefit in the Kennedy matters. I lived through them all, and all save Teddy the sot, raised my antenna. This drugging of him followed by someone unknown driving his car off the bridge is a new one on me. Hell, 'ya think if he realized the government killed his brothers, then this happened to him, he'd take the cork out of his mouth. I sure would. For Teddy, excessive booze, a subservient police department, aided by the local DA, and mega political clout, seems to make sense to me.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Even pigs (and he was) like to live. But we digress. That tube offered no proof to what appears to be an opinion offered as fact. If Alex Jones prepared that, some heads would explode here :P

For those of us who recall the Sot's Swim in real time, the comment in the vid strikes a funny bone, in a macabre sort of way.

I remember the speculation that she was carrying Ted's child, that more than negligence was involved, etc. etc.

The family did nothing to quell it when they (received God knows how much jack) refused to allow an autopsy to be performed on her body.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

There are a number of circumstances in the wake of this crash that don't pass the smell test. The dispostion of the remains of the aircraft and the human remains recovered from the sea are among those.

The Boston Globe, among other papers, picked up on the unusual rush in examining the bodies of JFK, his wife and sister-in-law.

What I also find disconcerting is the haste with which the bodies were cremated and then buried at sea. I find this pretty odd for an upper class Catholic family. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that the victims had a decent burial plot reserved for them where friends, family and admirers could pay their respects.

Further, as far as I know, all of the victims of the crash of this private aircraft were private citizens, and none of them had ever worn a uniform. Why were the remains flown out to a destroyer for burial? My "inner cop" tells me that it's likely that someone wanted to make damned sure that the victims' remains were under 100% surveillance and control from the time that they were recovered to the moment that what was left was irretrievably committed to the deep.

Excellent research, and for the sake of argument I concede all your points. Now, nearly 11 years after the government possible killed another Kennedy, what to do? Conspiracies, assassinations, rogue governments have been and will be with us until St. Peter calls us home. I suppose with economic circumstances developing at warp speed and wars now being initiated at the wave of Obama's kingly hand, the details of this plane crash, for me at least, take a back seat to our pending collapse. If one were privy to the Kennedy information, an investigation of any kind could consume years and at the end, we'd be where we started, with one exception; our nation will be further flooded with illegals, and the deficits will continue to build an unsustainable debt. These latter issues concern me far more than the former since I already concede this government is quite capable and willing to kill anyone for any (or no) reason.

PS: Back to the vid posted in the original article. It's credibility is damaged 5-mins in when the narrator discusses his assessment of the antics of the Swimming Sot.

And I've been told that 19 angry Arabs who hated us for our freedoms, armed with nothing more than box cutters, pulled off a successful coordinated attack against the World Trade Center towers 1 & 2, along with the Pentagon.

I've been told not only that, but that the pilots learned their flying skills from flight simulators, and were so proficient by training that way they could fly commercial airliners at high speed directly into their targets, including a ground level attack against the Pentagon.

I didn't know they were cremated and buried at sea. That is strange for a catholic family I think. A plane crash at sea should not have disfigured the bodies too much.

I don't know if it is true but I heard he was going to announce a run for president and told the Gore campaign this who promised to keep silent about it till he announced.

There ain't a lot we can do, but we still have our modest soap box here from which we can sling some of the shit back in the faces of the authors of crimes such as the murder of political figures.

Yeah, and we are accustomed to interminable investigations that take forever to finger malefactors. Our system, populated as it is by chislers, gremlins and crooks will never get to the bottom of the sort of questions that we pose here. In point of fact, if there were the will, it would take little more time to prosecute one of these great murders than it would take to render due process in the case of a garden variety manslaughter.

I'm not sure where you're going but why should we believe the government, after all we have evidence of the crime (film and physical), not to mention the testimony of 100's of expert witnesses who reject the conspiracy with verifiable fact.

I'm not sure where you're going but why should we believe the government, after all we have evidence of the crime (film and physical), not to mention the testimony of ~~100's~~ 1,000's of expert witnesses who reject the conspiracy with verifiable fact.

William E. Gladstone quotes (British Statesman and Prime Minister (1868-1894), and the most prominent man in politics of his time, 1809-1898)

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

JFKs hit was obviously a conspiracy. The notion that teddy was drugged before he killed that woman in the lake is absurd. But, bobby was on record planning to go after his brothers killers, so thats likely a conspiracy too. Junior, looks shady too.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Any skepticism you may hold is sincere and understandable. And any time I finger those who show themselves you may assume that your are excepted no matter what you write.

We know each other well enough to be certain that we are both honest about our politics and that neither has a hidden agenda.

I didn't know that either. If true then it might not have been an accident at all. But even if it was an accident, he is still to blame for being drunk.

FYI, Rick Nelson bought a WWII era plane that was made of flammable magnesium. During the flight the pilot saw a warning light that resulted in his turning off the heater as a precaution. After Rick's girlfriend complained of the cold (at high altitude) Rick went forward and turned the heater on against the pilot's advice and a fire started in the plane. They had made an emergency landing and the pilot and co-pilot escaped through the windows next to their seats, and Rick and his lady were found huddled together after succumbing to the fumes from the fire.

The pilot executed a successful emergency ditch in a field and they did not crash.

And, the circs were such (faulty wiring or electrical short/overload) that tox screens were not relevant to the deaths of Nelson and his sweety squeeze.

I believe that the mystery man instructor (who was strapped into the missing seat) turned off the fuel valve and put the plane into a dive so quickly that John had no time to counter the pre-programmed suicide order. Once the plane was in a dive the instructor's body weight and stiff arms against the control yoke would have made it impossible for John to pull the plane out of the dive.

Also, The debris field was such that everything was recoverable unless it was edible or otherwise of interest to sea creatures. The missing seat should have been among the debris.

There was no explosion necessary because (in my opinion) a Manchurian ewe gno watt with access to the controls was on board.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

I can see you're in need of the re-education program so that we can familiarize you with the "new math" Winston. 2 + 2 = 5

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

There was a time not so long ago when we had to keep our suspicions and our anti govt sentiments to our damned selves. There was no help from the "respectable media" and any state worshipers could simply yell out upon discovering our "treason" and obligatory lynch mobs could be formed on the spot.

But now that ready proof and documentation are available on the net the stoopids keep their pie holes shut (unless we're foolish enough to expose our feelings in places where they have a home court advantage, i.e., VFWs, bowling alleys, porn theaters, massage parlors, PROMISE KEEPERS rallies, etc.,.)

And, yet, there is still a genetic strain of mutants who believe that any lie we cannot immediately disprove in the course of a thread discussion is the same as the gospel truth. (Shoonra)

And in the past at other now-defunct websites (such as Liberty Forum) the only peeps who performed that valuable service were Zionists, Jews, and Zionist Jews, or their little Goy helpers. And, the pattern of defending a rotten to the core govt in discussions that were only tangentially related to Israel if at all was obviously intended to derail any attempts to de-legitimize the Rockefeller-Plutocratic, oak-lined meeting room form of govt.

Even though there is no historical precedent to light the path in defeating an enemy of sovereign self govt, there is no precedent that demonstrates a guaranteed victory for them, either. And, each time they heap another abusive rule change on us in the courtrooms and at airports they catch their breaths and hope that their actions don't ignite a flash fire that they cannot stamp out with their gilded wingtip ballet slippers.

The thought of that and of the imminent collapse of the almighty Bretton Woods Hebe buck ($) gives me a nice, warm glow all over.

My only concern is not that I may end up living in a large concrete sewer pipe, but that some of the peeps I've argued with about the issues may not live to see the crumbling of Kosher Konfidence-backed Kurrency as it goes the way of the Zimbabwe-Mugabe dollar. (Excuse me but, do you have change for a fifty trillion dollar note? My kids' school bus driver demands exact change only.")

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

I can't believe that I'm not familiar with the film. Heck, I swiped a loose board from the fence on the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza back in '85, and I thought I had seen everything about the murder of my president.

What "they" did to him aside, I have my own axe to grind because those bastards made me cry, and they changed my life on that terrible day.

If I ever get the chance I'm gonna kick someone in the balls even if I go to jail for it.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

I caught the 2nd half of yours, then, thankfully, I remembered Game 6 was on. Is it 4 losses by 8 points or less for U? That's a kick in the sack.

Those who doubt this axiom need only examine the motives of any who delay justice. (The more time and distance between the crime and the offender the more innocent they become)

And of course there is also justice perverted. If Bernie Madoff hadn't immediately pleaded guilty while claiming to be the lone gunman who fired those exploding tipped Ponzi bullets at investors, he could have brought down several "respectable" banking houses and many others who helped him spread the word in his community of non-Christians, all of who were looking for suspiciously generous returns on their investments.

In fact, many believed that Bernie was swindling unsuspecting Gentiles. The savvy investors knew that such unbelievable returns were not possible through honest money growth except in rare cases of first day pops (public offerings) of stocks such as Microsoft.

By quickly closing the case (with the cooperation of an amazingly un-curious justice department) "Honest Bernie Madoff" earned the gratitude of some well connected money changers even though he shaved the wealth of many others. It remains to be seen if he actually serves his "eon plus one day" sentence.

He also had access to young Jewish boys but that was incidental...After all, whoever heard of a Jewish homosexual?

Bernie Madoff's wife claims she and the Ponzi schemer tried to kill themselves with a Christmas Eve pill overdose - and she's glad they failed.

Earlier today, I learned that there are nearly 267M websites on the internet, thanks to StartPage.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff (another ---off, dju think their all related somehow?) says that the Madoff family gets to keep $82 million.

StartPage.com is enhanced with GOOGLE, and their explanation reads that they remove any identifying info about you before submitting any query to GOOGLE.

Mine doesn't default to GOOGLE and if the query is inadequate I sometimes go to GOOGLE (which is also on my toolbar). So, I'm going to save the link you supplied and I can then use GOOGLE and keep their snoopy snouts out of my beeswax!

I've never known any other and until you pointed it out I didn't think of it in those terms, nor did I envision an alternative.

And now that I have, one can only wonder about the remedial cleansing effects of simply outlawing usury.

Just think of all the beaks that would be departing on ships and planes to some other hunting grounds. After all, why should people with investment capital have to work or run their own widget businesses when it's so much easier to loan startup and operating capital to others?

Their own widget businesses could fail and they could lose money. But if farmers or industrialists fail the capitalist "wizards behind the curtain" sell off the assets and cheerfully whistle all the way to their offshore banks....after their accountants (many of who are relatives) use their magic pencils to show how the capitalists really "lost money". (boo hoo oy!)

This is quite generous considering how many folks are suing to force the Madoff Crime Syndicate to reveal the locations of billions of heeb bux.

The judge in the trial of former Backstreet Boys and *NSYNC* manager Lou "Chicken Hawk" Pearlman offered to knock off a month for every million that "Honest Lou" helped recover. If Madoff was offered the same deal he could walk tomorrow after buying off every month of his sentence and still have piles of loot hidden away.

I'd like to say that I feel just awful about all the nice Jewish peepul Bernie hosed.

Instead of cooperating Madoff may use his ill gotten boodle to lube the system for his eventual release. (there are always secret grease fittings accessible to the rich-Marc Rich's wife Denise supplied the lube with her mouth and her checkbook-to Bill Clinton and the DNC respectively)

One day Bernie may be transferred "for medical reasons" (i.e., an inflamed uvula) and he'll disappear, and because no other prison will be expecting him he can slip away unnoticed. Nosy reporters will be kept in check by their editors or the owners of their "news mega-congloms".

Until then he'll probably build his own prison with a penthouse for his own "rehab and punishment". The punishment being, he'll have to pay to keep his own tech on staff in case his Elektra Belle Epoque espresso machine goes on the blink.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832