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Title: OFFICIAL LIES ABOUT JFK, jr.
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Published: Oct 25, 2011
Author: HOUNDDAWG
Post Date: 2011-10-25 06:23:12 by HOUNDDAWG
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"Kennedy, the 38-year-old son and namesake of America's 35th president, was flying with his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, 33, and his sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette, 34, when his six-seat, single-engine Piper Saratoga crashed seven miles south of his Martha's Vineyard home. All three were killed. A report by the National Transportation Safety Board blamed pilot error for the crash, saying Kennedy, who had been flying for 15 months, was not skilled enough for low-visibility nighttime flying and became disoriented in the hazy sky." Poster Comment: John John Had been flying for 17 years, he had already passed the quals for IFR, and his instructors all said that he was "methodical in his planning". They murdered him, folks. And I'm still sick about it. If you don't have 1:46:48 to watch the video now, please bookmark it and watch it later. The skullduggery surrounding this plane crash is even more obvious than when they murdered his father.
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#87. To: Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull (#7)
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There are a number of circumstances in the wake of this crash that don't pass the smell test. The dispostion of the remains of the aircraft and the human remains recovered from the sea are among those. The Boston Globe, among other papers, picked up on the unusual rush in examining the bodies of JFK, his wife and sister-in-law. Again, reading from the Boston Globe (www.boston.com), July 23rd: BOSTON GLOBE: JFK Autopsy Rushed "Still, the autopsies in the Kennedy case were performed especially quickly," pathologists said. ..... "The haste [of the autopsies] in this case," he said, "could lead to questions about the investigation's thoroughness." "Pathologists also follow *COMPLEX RULES* for testing a pilot for drug and alcohol use," Dix said. [JD: They are supposed to follow "complex rules" in testing for drug or alcohol use, but they EVIDENTLY violated those rules, indeed, failed to follow them at all! Alcohol and/or drugs are a MAJOR causative suspect in airplane crashes. Remember Ricky Nelson's death in an airplane crash one New Year's Eve? Can someone find out if the coroner examined for substance abuse in that case?] . "The timing [brief time] of the Kennedy investigation [autopsy], Kirschner said, makes it unlikely that pathologists performed autopsies on Carolyn Bessette Kennedy or Lauren Bessette. You can't possibly do three investigations in four hours, he said." [JD: Well, of course the women's condition would have no effect on the control of the aircraft. But what if there were powder burns on their bodies, suggesting an explosion or a fire onboard? What if a lone nut gunmen had stowed away aboard the plane? After all, you must admit that lone nut gunmen have made a tradition of invading the lives of Kennedy's. Haven't they? What if the gunman was willing to sacrifice his own life? I'm not saying that I believe any of these scenarios. What I AM saying is that the coroner is SUPPOSED to examine the bodies for the POSSIBILITY of these scenarios having occurred. THAT IS HIS JOB!] "Passenger autopsies are also useful, Kirschner said, if a victim's family sues for damages related to the crash. A medical examiner could determine whether the victim suffered in the moments before death, or survived in the minutes or hours after the crash." [JD: Yet, despite the established practice of examining the bodies of passengers, and carefully examining the body of the pilot, in order to determine if the pilot was drinking or on drugs, thus permitting the victims to sue in case of pilot misconduct ... despite these rules, the women's bodies were not even autopsied! Unbelievable! Actually, I think it is quite believable, judging from the first JFK autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital, which was judged by the nation's best assassination researchers to be an outrageously appalling fraud -- a continuation of the assassination cover-up. That is exactly what this second JFK autopsy is showing itself to be, also.] John DiNardo What I also find disconcerting is the haste with which the bodies were cremated and then buried at sea. I find this pretty odd for an upper class Catholic family. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that the victims had a decent burial plot reserved for them where friends, family and admirers could pay their respects. Further, as far as I know, all of the victims of the crash of this private aircraft were private citizens, and none of them had ever worn a uniform. Why were the remains flown out to a destroyer for burial? My "inner cop" tells me that it's likely that someone wanted to make damned sure that the victims' remains were under 100% surveillance and control from the time that they were recovered to the moment that what was left was irretrievably committed to the deep.
Excellent research, and for the sake of argument I concede all your points. Now, nearly 11 years after the government possible killed another Kennedy, what to do? Conspiracies, assassinations, rogue governments have been and will be with us until St. Peter calls us home. I suppose with economic circumstances developing at warp speed and wars now being initiated at the wave of Obama's kingly hand, the details of this plane crash, for me at least, take a back seat to our pending collapse. If one were privy to the Kennedy information, an investigation of any kind could consume years and at the end, we'd be where we started, with one exception; our nation will be further flooded with illegals, and the deficits will continue to build an unsustainable debt. These latter issues concern me far more than the former since I already concede this government is quite capable and willing to kill anyone for any (or no) reason. PS: Back to the vid posted in the original article. It's credibility is damaged 5-mins in when the narrator discusses his assessment of the antics of the Swimming Sot.
And I've been told that 19 angry Arabs who hated us for our freedoms, armed with nothing more than box cutters, pulled off a successful coordinated attack against the World Trade Center towers 1 & 2, along with the Pentagon. I've been told not only that, but that the pilots learned their flying skills from flight simulators, and were so proficient by training that way they could fly commercial airliners at high speed directly into their targets, including a ground level attack against the Pentagon. I've been told those things, yet I'll be damned if I believe them. I didn't know they were cremated and buried at sea. That is strange for a catholic family I think. A plane crash at sea should not have disfigured the bodies too much. I don't know if it is true but I heard he was going to announce a run for president and told the Gore campaign this who promised to keep silent about it till he announced. God is always good!
Huh! new one to me.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson There ain't a lot we can do, but we still have our modest soap box here from which we can sling some of the shit back in the faces of the authors of crimes such as the murder of political figures. Yeah, and we are accustomed to interminable investigations that take forever to finger malefactors. Our system, populated as it is by chislers, gremlins and crooks will never get to the bottom of the sort of questions that we pose here. In point of fact, if there were the will, it would take little more time to prosecute one of these great murders than it would take to render due process in the case of a garden variety manslaughter.
I've been told not only that, but that the pilots learned their flying skills from flight simulators, and were so proficient by training that way they could fly commercial airliners at high speed directly into their targets, including a ground level attack against the Pentagon. I've been told those things, yet I'll be damned if I believe them. I'm not sure where you're going but why should we believe the government, after all we have evidence of the crime (film and physical), not to mention the testimony of 100's of expert witnesses who reject the conspiracy with verifiable fact.
I'm not sure where you're going but why should we believe the government, after all we have evidence of the crime (film and physical), not to mention the testimony of Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Better :)
I hear ya' and share your pain, randge.
Justice delayed is Justice denied. An ancient proverb, I believe. Ancient Truth. “Justice delayed is justice denied.” William E. Gladstone quotes (British Statesman and Prime Minister (1868-1894), and the most prominent man in politics of his time, 1809-1898) Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson More true today, than ever before.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. JFKs hit was obviously a conspiracy. The notion that teddy was drugged before he killed that woman in the lake is absurd. But, bobby was on record planning to go after his brothers killers, so thats likely a conspiracy too. Junior, looks shady too.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
CAPITALIST IDEA, COMRADE! Of course Shoonra's response will be predictable:
Thank you.
Of course not my friend. Any skepticism you may hold is sincere and understandable. And any time I finger those who show themselves you may assume that your are excepted no matter what you write. We know each other well enough to be certain that we are both honest about our politics and that neither has a hidden agenda.
The family did nothing to quell it when they (received God knows how much jack) refused to allow an autopsy to be performed on her body. She would have been 71 this year. I didn't know that either. If true then it might not have been an accident at all. But even if it was an accident, he is still to blame for being drunk. God is always good!
I agree with your post regarding JFK jr. FYI, Rick Nelson bought a WWII era plane that was made of flammable magnesium. During the flight the pilot saw a warning light that resulted in his turning off the heater as a precaution. After Rick's girlfriend complained of the cold (at high altitude) Rick went forward and turned the heater on against the pilot's advice and a fire started in the plane. They had made an emergency landing and the pilot and co-pilot escaped through the windows next to their seats, and Rick and his lady were found huddled together after succumbing to the fumes from the fire. The pilot executed a successful emergency ditch in a field and they did not crash. And, the circs were such (faulty wiring or electrical short/overload) that tox screens were not relevant to the deaths of Nelson and his sweety squeeze.
chris, please see 105.
Of course not my friend. I don't think you're a shill either, JT. Or Phant or Turdle. Don't know about Shoonra ;) fwiw :) I believe that the mystery man instructor (who was strapped into the missing seat) turned off the fuel valve and put the plane into a dive so quickly that John had no time to counter the pre-programmed suicide order. Once the plane was in a dive the instructor's body weight and stiff arms against the control yoke would have made it impossible for John to pull the plane out of the dive. Also, The debris field was such that everything was recoverable unless it was edible or otherwise of interest to sea creatures. The missing seat should have been among the debris. There was no explosion necessary because (in my opinion) a Manchurian ewe gno watt with access to the controls was on board.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. I can see you're in need of the re-education program so that we can familiarize you with the "new math" Winston. 2 + 2 = 5 "the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
Too funny !!! "the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
i knew that ;)
Ditto to that. Sorry for being presumptuous. Check your PM.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Right you are my friend. There was a time not so long ago when we had to keep our suspicions and our anti govt sentiments to our damned selves. There was no help from the "respectable media" and any state worshipers could simply yell out upon discovering our "treason" and obligatory lynch mobs could be formed on the spot. But now that ready proof and documentation are available on the net the stoopids keep their pie holes shut (unless we're foolish enough to expose our feelings in places where they have a home court advantage, i.e., VFWs, bowling alleys, porn theaters, massage parlors, PROMISE KEEPERS rallies, etc.,.) And, yet, there is still a genetic strain of mutants who believe that any lie we cannot immediately disprove in the course of a thread discussion is the same as the gospel truth. (Shoonra) And in the past at other now-defunct websites (such as Liberty Forum) the only peeps who performed that valuable service were Zionists, Jews, and Zionist Jews, or their little Goy helpers. And, the pattern of defending a rotten to the core govt in discussions that were only tangentially related to Israel if at all was obviously intended to derail any attempts to de-legitimize the Rockefeller-Plutocratic, oak-lined meeting room form of govt. Even though there is no historical precedent to light the path in defeating an enemy of sovereign self govt, there is no precedent that demonstrates a guaranteed victory for them, either. And, each time they heap another abusive rule change on us in the courtrooms and at airports they catch their breaths and hope that their actions don't ignite a flash fire that they cannot stamp out with their gilded wingtip ballet slippers. The thought of that and of the imminent collapse of the almighty Bretton Woods Hebe buck ($) gives me a nice, warm glow all over. My only concern is not that I may end up living in a large concrete sewer pipe, but that some of the peeps I've argued with about the issues may not live to see the crumbling of Kosher Konfidence-backed Kurrency as it goes the way of the Zimbabwe-Mugabe dollar. (Excuse me but, do you have change for a fifty trillion dollar note? My kids' school bus driver demands exact change only.")
No autopsy no foul my friend.
Of that I am also certain, Dream Girl.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. May they live to feel the flames.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAlso interesting was that the debris from the plane was never in public view. It was recovered from the ocean and kept under guard at a military base (shades of the WTC 1&2 debris Batman). As well the bodies were quickly cremated without autopsy. Could it be that autopsy would have shown injuries from an explosion?
Subject: BOSTON GLOBE: JFK Autopsy Rushed Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:37:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John DiNardo To: newshawk@iname.com CC: John DiNardo
#88. To: randge, 4 (#87)
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#89. To: Jethro Tull, Eric Stratton, All (#75)
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IIRC, he was warned by the ground crew? not to fly that evening, and he disregarded it. It might have been bad weather?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#90. To: randge (#87)
#91. To: RickyJ (#90)
#92. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
what to do?
#93. To: FormerLurker, 4 (#89)
And I've been told that 19 angry Arabs who hated us for our freedoms, armed with nothing more than box cutters, pulled off a successful coordinated attack against the World Trade Center towers 1 & 2, along with the Pentagon.
#94. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
100's 1,000's of expert witnesses who reject the conspiracy with verifiable fact.
#95. To: Lod (#94)
#96. To: randge (#92)
#97. To: randge (#92)
Yeah, and we are accustomed to interminable investigations that take forever to finger malefactors
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#98. To: tom007, 4 (#97)
#99. To: All (#98)
#100. To: Lod (#86)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#101. To: FormerLurker (#89)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#102. To: Jethro Tull (#75)
#103. To: noone222, Shoonra (#55)
Shoonra should head everyone's bozo list since reponses from this troll are predictable and foolish.
#104. To: wudidiz (#56)
#105. To: Jethro Tull (#57)
Are you calling me a shill?
#106. To: Lod (#84)
I remember the speculation that she was carrying Ted's child, that more than negligence was involved, etc. etc.
#107. To: randge (#87)
Remember Ricky Nelson's death in an airplane crash one New Year's Eve? Can someone find out if the coroner examined for substance abuse in that case?]
#108. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#105)
#109. To: Jethro Tull, Phant2000, HOUNDDAWG, Turtle, Shoonra, all (#105)
Are you calling me a shill?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#110. To: Eric Stratton (#59)
Also interesting was that the debris from the plane was never in public view. It was recovered from the ocean and kept under guard at a military base (shades of the WTC 1&2 debris Batman). As well the bodies were quickly cremated without autopsy. Could it be that autopsy would have shown injuries from an explosion?
#111. To: HOUNDDAWG (#110)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#112. To: Eric Stratton (#111)
Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff that doesn't add up.
#113. To: noone222, Eric Stratton, independent thinkers (#112)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#114. To: wudidiz (#113)
#115. To: HOUNDDAWG (#103)
#116. To: HOUNDDAWG (#105)
#117. To: HOUNDDAWG (#105)
We know each other well enough to be certain that we are both honest about our politics and that neither has a hidden agenda.
#118. To: noone222 (#114)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#119. To: wudidiz (#113)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#120. To: Eric Stratton, Shoonra (#111)
Look, these days anytime that anything happens whereby there's even a hint of a political motive one must absolutely assume that the Tyranny was involved. Look at their legislation and EOs for cryin' out loud, they pretty much state that stuff like you just referenced is legal now. The difference between then and now, they weren't so bold.
#121. To: noone222 (#115)
#122. To: Jethro Tull (#117)
#123. To: christine (#116)
i knew that ;)
#124. To: HOUNDDAWG (#120)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#125. To: HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull (#105)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#126. To: HOUNDDAWG (#120)
but that some of the peeps I've argued with about the issues may not live to see the crumbling of Kosher Konfidence-backed Kurrency
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