"Kennedy, the 38-year-old son and namesake of America's 35th president, was flying with his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, 33, and his sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette, 34, when his six-seat, single-engine Piper Saratoga crashed seven miles south of his Martha's Vineyard home. All three were killed.
A report by the National Transportation Safety Board blamed pilot error for the crash, saying Kennedy, who had been flying for 15 months, was not skilled enough for low-visibility nighttime flying and became disoriented in the hazy sky."
The Assassination of JFK Jr - Full Version
Poster Comment:
John John Had been flying for 17 years, he had already passed the quals for IFR, and his instructors all said that he was "methodical in his planning".
They murdered him, folks.
And I'm still sick about it.
If you don't have 1:46:48 to watch the video now, please bookmark it and watch it later. The skullduggery surrounding this plane crash is even more obvious than when they murdered his father.
I may not be very insightful, But I do find it less than delightful That way 'cross the sea
They can read more than me About goings-on here that are frightful.
It is now news in Australia that new evidence has turned up that suggests that California congressman Sonny Bono was murdered and did not die in a skiing accident as we have been told repeatedly. Although he was an American whose job was to represent Americans, as far as the mainstream United States press is concerned this news is unworthy of the attention of the people of the United States. This is the same American press, of course, that never breathed the slightest hint of suspicion that there might have been foul play involved when the experienced skier Bono was reported to have slammed into a tree at the Heavenly Ski resort in Nevada on January 5, 1998. There were no witnesses, the autopsy report was not released to the public, and Bono had shown himself to be something of a thorn in the side of official Washington, which is probably all the more reason for the lapdogs who call themselves journalists to have dummied up.
For Americans, the new revelations can be found buried away--and ignored by "respectable people"--in the U.S. supermarket tabloid, Globe, of April 14, which hit the news racks on April 4. They were said to have been gathered by investigator Bob Fletcher, 66, who, according to Globe, was connected to the case even before Bono died:
He also feels partially responsible for what happened to the California congressman.
Before Bono's death, Fletcher had been probing the activities of high ranking U.S. military and government officials he claims were raking in millions from arms and drug deals in Central America and Southeast Asia.
He says he sent his shocking findings of corruption, including videotaped evidence, to Bono.
"I later received a call from an assistant in his offices to tell me Sonny had seen my full report and was absolutely livid about the level of corruption I made him aware of," Fletcher tells GLOBE.
"He was going to make it his No. 1 priority when Congress resumed after the Christmas and New Year break. He was going to go after the biggest names.
"Just 10 days later, I received a call that he was dead. I'd heard it was suspected his offices had been bugged. Tragically, that must have been the case. There's no doubt in my mind Sonny was murdered by someone who needed to silence him."
The new evidence is the long-suppressed autopsy report, itself, which Fletcher obtained and furnished to the Globe.
After reviewing the shocking secret documents, former FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells GLOBE: "The official version of Sonny Bono's death is hogwash. It's nonsense for anyone to now try to suggest that Bono died after crashing into a tree.
There's zero evidence in this autopsy report or any of these official documents to show such an accident happened. Instead, there's powerful proof he was assassinated. "This was an evil plot that was carried out to almost perfection by ruthless assassins."
SONNY Bono, former husband and singing partner of superstar Cher, was clubbed to death by hitmen on the orders of drug and weapons dealers who feared he was going to expose them, a former FBI agent claims.
Ted Gunderson, now a private investigator, has told the US Globe tabloid that Bono, who served as mayor of Palm Springs for four years, did not die after hitting a tree on a Nevada ski slope in January 1998 as everyone believed.
So identical, are they, in fact, that all three of them have the first sentence in bold. Continuing in the brief, rather sketchy article, they say:
Bono, an experienced skier, was ambushed on the slopes by hired hitmen, who beat him to death and then staged a tree collision, Mr. Gunderson said.
He called for authorities to dig up Bono's remains and open a homicide investigation.
His claims have reportedly been backed by top forensics experts who fear Nevada authorities were too quick to call the death a skiing accident.
The Australian papers, it should also be noted, leave the impression that Gunderson is the prime mover in this investigation while only mentioning Fletcher at the end of their article as follows:
Investigator Bob Fletcher had also confessed he sent evidence of a 10-year study that linked top US government officials to arms and weapons dealers to Bono less than a month before his death, the Globe reported.
"(Bono) was going to make it his No.1 priority... There's no doubt in my mind Sonny was murdered by someone who needed him silenced," Mr Fletcher told the paper.
In an email to me on May 13, 2008, Mr. Fletcher was emphatic that Gunderson "has had absolutely nothing to do with this investigation." (The foregoing section, starting with "The Australian papers...," was added on May 13.)
Interestingly, Yahoo also picked up the story, but it is Yahoo for the United Kingdom and Ireland and Yahoo for Australia (both links now dead). It would appear that Yahoo is as compliant toward corrupt American authorities as it is toward their counterparts in China.
The Autopsy
How compelling is the new evidence? The five-page autopsy report prepared by Dr. David E. Palosaari, official pathologist for Washoe County at the time, concluded that the death was caused by "craniocerebral injuries due to blunt force trauma (skiing accident)."
But Globe reports further:
Other injuries detailed in the document included a black eye, swollen lips, bloody nose, bruised jaw, and two upper teeth knocked out, all on the right side of the head.
But the pathologist also noted a series of small fractures in a "central depressed region" on the right side of Bono's skull and found "some of the fractured bone pieces have a curved configuration."
Fletcher consulted a panel of experts and performed a re-creation to determine how these wounds were caused.
He concludes the depressed area was due to blows from a rounded-edged weapon wielded by a man taller than the 5-foot-nine, 165-pound politician and the killer was left-handed since the wounds are on the right side of Bono's face and head. He also believes there was a second man who held Bono from behind.
Fletcher thinks the murder weapon was a pistol, but other experts tell GLOBE that a gun barrel would have left distinguishable marks.
"Sonny was ambushed and viciously battered to death with a billy club or similar weapon," ex-FBI man Gunderson says. "The killers staged the crime scene and made it look like a tragic ski-accident."
Fletcher insists the lack of damage to the back of Bono's brain, known as "contra-coup" injuries, is proof that he was beaten to death. He says people who hit objects face-first normally have brain injuries caused when the organ rebounds off the back of their skull. And other physical evidence doesn't add up, either, he says.
Strangely for what was called a ski accident, Bono had no smashed ribs, broken knees, neck trauma--or hand injuries that would have come from trying to ward off a collision with a tree, Fletcher says. And signs that he actually hit the tree--including bark impressions on his face and plant debris on his clothes--are also missing, the investigator says.
And his ski goggles weren't smashed as they likely would have been in a collision, according to the expert.
Fletcher also notes the back of Bono's clothes were soaked with blood--but he had no back wounds. "The blood must have come from someone else, perhaps when Sonny valiantly fought back and hit one of his assailants," he declares.
The autopsy also mentions a small L-shaped tear on the back of Bono's black and purple Fila ski jacket. Fletcher says the tear is a likely result of a struggle. And Gunderson believes the new evidence gathered by Fletcher raises the specter of murder and warrants a new investigation.
Fletcher believes that Bono's wife when they became famous together, Cher, will call for a new investigation when she learns of these new revelations. Little hope is held out, apparently, that she will be joined by Mary Bono, Sonny's wife at the time of his death. Mary, who succeeded Sonny in the Congress and has remarried, has suggested publicly that his errant skiing was caused by Sonny having taken too many prescription painkillers. But that suggestion had already been contradicted by a previously-released toxicology report, said Globe. Their marriage, which was Sonny's fourth, was said to have been troubled
at the time of his death.
Sonny's mother, Jean, on the other hand, believed all along that he was murdered. She died in 2005, but not before demanding "a much more thorough investigation" into his death, according to Globe.
A Waco Connection?
Gunderson agrees with Fletcher that the 62-year-old Bono was likely to have been killed because of what he might uncover, or had already uncovered, about illegal drug and arms dealing by high-level government officials. But there are other possibilities. When Janet Reno testified before Congress about the final, fatal assault on the Branch Davidians at Waco, Bono was relentless in his questioning about the professed use of CS gas on the confined men, women, and children:
Representative Sonny Bono (R-CA), a member of the full House Crime Committee, was concerned that Ms. Reno had not conducted a more exhaustive study of CS before making a decision. He challenged her claim that she had done all she could to investigate the attributes and hazards of the substance, noting that the U.S. Army Chemical Research and Development Center had confirmed that it knew of no laboratory studies of CS in which the subjects were children. He pointed out that Army databases "contain virtually every study on CS that has ever been conducted by any government or private facility in the world," and stated that he found it "difficult to understand how, after extensive, exhaustive research you failed to uncover the following information that I uncovered in just one day: a report contained in the Journal of the American Medical Association, dated August 4, 1989, that states, I quote, 'Inhalation and toxicology studies at high levels of CS exposure have demonstrated its ability to cause chemical pneumonitis and fatal pulmonary edema.' According to an ear, nose, and throat surgeon that I talked to, pulmonary edema is caused when the mucous membrane is irritated, it secretes mucous which in children and infants plugs up the bronchi. They thus drown in their own saliva and mucous. As soon as the child breathes the fumes, the process begins. Soon after that, the child has little lungs left to breathe, and dies. I find it impossible to believe that with the most powerful law firm in the country, the Department of Justice, at your disposal you could not find this information out, that I found out in one day with two staff members .... So I am sorry to say, Madam Attorney General, that I think you failed there." He concluded with the observation that, in his opinion, "it is the responsibility of the Attorney General in cases like this to research every bit of evidence, and if there is counter evidence, then the error should be on the side of the children." Robert W. Lee, "Waco Whitewash."
What we see here on display is an independence of mind that is both refreshing and dangerous for an American member of Congress. Perhaps Bono looked even further into the Waco outrage and found the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum, which concludes that the whole episode was even more vicious and barbaric than almost anyone suspects. Then again, any member of Congress looking seriously into high level corruption finds himself in what the military calls a "target-rich environment," so who knows what got him killed? The best comparisons that can be made are to the less well-known investigators Paul Wilcher or Danny Casolaro, or perhaps to another California Congressman, Leo Ryan.
The Tabloid Cover-up Operation
One can hardly argue that the American press has really done the proper job of a free press in a free society because these new revelations have, at least, been published by Globe. Rather, the opposite is more nearly the case. There is hardly any better way to discredit a serious story than to have it published in a tabloid, and only in a tabloid. This Globe story is quite similar to the National Enquirer story about the dubious "suicide" of Enron executive, Cliff Baxter, or the Star story about the George W. Bush-led fraternity at Yale branding pledges with hot coat hangers. It is well sourced and documented.
One can bet that Bob Fletcher made a serious effort to get the story covered by "more respectable" news outlets, but was rebuffed. The same "respectable" news organs are now continuing to cover up for the controlling criminal elite by blacking out what Globe has published.
What is really impressive is how thoroughgoing and monolithic the whole operation is. The country is full of reporters who buy groceries in supermarkets just as I do. One would think that one of them, in one corner or other of this vast country, would spot the Sonny Bono article, would recognize the importance of the story, and would be able to prevail upon his or her editor to follow up on it. But it hasn't happened yet. For now it's much bigger news in Australia than it is here, and the odds are very long that not one peep about these Sonny Bono autopsy revelations will be heard anywhere from the American mainstream press.
The same sort of blackout occurred when the former lead investigator for Kenneth Starr, Miquel Rodriguez, spilled the beans about the cover-up of Deputy White House Counsel Vincent Foster's murder, and it happened when the official investigation of the "suicide" of America's first defense secretary, James Forrestal, was made public, and it will occur again.
David Martin, April 6, 2008
Links checked Nov. 22, 2010
Note. Bob Fletcher's investigative reports are available at P.O. Box 216, Bayview, Idaho 83803, email news@bobfletcher.info. The writer of the Globe article is Bob Burns, email bobburns@globefl.com.
"Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. ~ Gautama Siddhartha The Buddha
"Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. ~ Gautama Siddhartha The Buddha
Not only is the no evidence that JFK Jr was determined to run for the Senate, but there is no particular reason to believe that he would have been a formidable candidate.
Are you nuts! That Senate seat would have been his if he ran for it then according to polls taken before he had this unfortunate "accident."
The rule of thumb is that the reports most likely to be true come out within the first 24 hours and usually from independent local outlets. After that the spin machine takes over.
In the matter of JFK Jr., it was several hours, not even a full 24.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Whatever philandering he had done he was not short of courage - he proved that during WWII.
No man is without his faults. JFK's positive deeds and courage far outweighed his faults however.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Wow, a very smart man. It is too bad he was before my time. He would put our recent presidents to shame. I bet he didn't even have a teleprompter or a speech writer for this speech. At least in this speech, he sounded like a man who gave a damn.
wow, does it never end? I'd never heard peep one about any of that. Get John Hall, fellow pop star congressman ('dance with me!") on the case, pronto. Sonny Bono Truth Now!
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
#54. To: Phant2000, Jethro Tull, Eric Stratton, Lod, IRTorqued, Original_Intent, RickyJ, Shoonra, FormerLurker, Turtle, Phant2000, Artisan, wudidiz, christine (#4)
John F. Kennedy, Jr. obtained his private pilot certificate in April 1998. He received a "high performance airplane" sign-off in his Cessna 182 in June 1998 and a "complex airplane" sign-off in the accident airplane (Piper Saratoga) in May 1999. Although he completed the FAA's written airplane instrument examination about four months before the accident, he did not possess an instrument rating.
Junior's estimated total flight experience, excluding simulator training, was about 310 hours, of which 55 hours were at night. The pilot's estimated flight time in the accident airplane was about 36 hours, of which 9.4 hours were at night. Approximately three hours of that flight time was without a certified flight instructor on board, and about 0.8 hour of that time was flown at night, which included a night landing. You are giving him credit for 17 years of flying time, which is totally misleading and irrelevant. As anyone can see, his RECORD is 310 hours total time as PIC.
Also passing a written IFR ticket exam is not that difficult, passing the instrument flight check is totally different. Junior got himself into a situation that was far beyond his capabilities, VFR rated only and in very marginal VFR conditions.
"The same variables that affect the cost of learning to fly will affect the time it takes to earn your certificate. The FAA has established the minimum number of flight hours needed to obtain a certificate. Under Part 61 of the federal aviation regulations, the minimums are 20 hours for a sport pilot certificate, 30 hours for a recreational certificate, and 40 hours for a private pilot certificate.
Some schools operate under an alternate regulation, Part 141, which provides more FAA oversight, more rigid schedules, and more paperwork. The added requirements allow them to reduce the minimum hours of private pilot training to 35 hours. However, many schools believe that a true average flight training time for a private pilot is between 50 and 60 hours, whether the school operates under Part 61 or Part 141. Others believe that 68 to 70 hours is the more likely average. These flight hours can be spread over a time span of several months to a year or more."
JFK Jr. had between six and ten times the required number of hours to qualify for a license. (This puts your attempt to make his 300 plus hours seem like a paltry number in an honest perspective. Sorry, but I had to do it.)
And, according to all honest sources with no agenda he never flew without an instructor. (Care to guess the cost of accruing so many hours accompanied by a CFI?)
The fact that he may have taken years to finally get a license makes sense when one considers that A) in order to qualify a certain amount of hours must be accrued within a limited time period, and B) he was one of the busiest men in America and involved in many other activities and he was in no hurry to be another licensed but marginally experienced pilot.
Regarding the assertion that he was "VFR rated only and in very marginal VFR conditions." , that is a whopper that even the ugly conspirators long ago abandoned. The official weather record shows that it was a blue bird evening for flying with visibility in excess of ten miles. And having passed the tests for his instrument ticket all he needed was a few more hours. You seem to want to ignore the fact that he had multiples of the hours and experience needed for a pilot license and an even an instructor's license, many more than others who already held the official govt paperwork but weren't nearly as experienced.
This thread has been an interesting study in the triggering of Pavlovian responses by the shills at 4um.
I'd like to thank those who are much more capable than I who set the record straight. With the exception of Turdle (who is just stupid in my view) the shills reflexively took the bait like predator fish who are hardwired to attack wounded or dying fish even if the predator isn't otherwise hungry or biting.
And, Jethro Tull, if you please I'd appreciate it if you'd read up on the murder of JFK, jr., his wife and sister-in-law. (The provable lies from the govt are stark and a matter of record) And, I believe you'll form the opinion that he was a conscientious and careful pilot who was in no hurry to receive the official blessing of the same govt that closed ranks around those who murdered his father and uncle. He was more concerned with being the best pilot he could be in each of his planes, and like you and I he'd have never put his loved ones at risk if he could have avoided it. And, he could have been licensed years before (like many who were and are licensed with a fraction of his logged flight hours) if bragging rights was what he was about.
And, Shoonra, had JFK, jr. chosen to run for any office you would have seen that he was the most beloved and electable candidate in our lifetimes, and you'd have been forced to resort to some other slimy avenue of attack in order to fulfill your mission.
Great post. The two outstanding and irrefutable factoids are that the weather was clear and he wouldn't commit suicide to off his wife and her sister.
EDIT: (Not to forget the 15.5 hour delay in initiating a Search and Rescue mission).
Shoonra should head everyone's bozo list since reponses from this troll are predictable and foolish.
"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, Limit yourself; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
This thread has been an interesting study in the triggering of Pavlovian responses by the shills at 4um.
I'd like to thank those who are much more capable than I who set the record straight. With the exception of Turdle (who is just stupid in my view) the shills reflexively took the bait like predator fish who are hardwired to attack wounded or dying fish even if the predator isn't otherwise hungry or biting.
And, Jethro Tull, if you please I'd appreciate it if you'd read up on the murder of JFK, jr., his wife and sister-in-law. (The provable lies from the govt are stark and a matter of record) And, I believe you'll form the opinion that he was a conscientious and careful pilot who was in no hurry to receive the official blessing of the same govt that closed ranks around those who murdered his father and uncle. He was more concerned with being the best pilot he could be in each of his planes, and like you and I he'd have never put his loved ones at risk if he could have avoided it. And, he could have been licensed years before (like many who were and are licensed with a fraction of his logged flight hours) if bragging rights was what he was about.
The latter part of your comment spawned a neutral question in my mind;
How would cops/investigators that showed up to a well-planned and thought out "false flag" crime know any different?
Most likely impossible to determine. That said, go to the 5 minute mark of the 'tube 'dawg posted in the original article. Tell me what you find problematic with what the narrator says.
EDIT: Specifically his statement regarding Teddy Kennedy.
wow, does it never end? I'd never heard peep one about any of that.
The reality we have is much darker than the reality we have been taught. It has been commented that "the victors write the history" - so do the "unindicted co-conspirators".
We can go all the way back through American history and find elements that have been left out or suppressed - dating from the time of Thomas Jefferson e.g., the Aaron Burr conspiracy, and Jefferson's comments even then of the banksters moving in to take over.
You won't find mention in the histories of the Civil War anything about the Rothschild agitators in the South egging on the secessionists. Neither do any of the skoolbook accounts mention the British Forces in Canada waiting to invade once the North and South were spent - nor of the French Force in Mexico. When Lincoln and the North won convincingly the Union Army was too strong for them to take on and so they just sort of melted away. Of course they got even by whacking Lincoln for thwarting their plans.
And then we could speak of WWI and its real reasons.
It is now almost common knowledge that FDR boxed in the Japanese forcing them to attack in self defense and then withholding the knowledge from the Pacific Commanders, and even Courts Martialing them, in order to make the Japanese attack look like a surprise.
Then we have the OSS/CIA and Operation Paperclip, MK Ultra, and on and on into that black hole.
We're not in Kansas any more - if we ever were.
And along the way there have been numerous assassinations to remove political figures inconvenient to those operating behind the curtain. The murders of JFK, RFK, and JFK Jr. are simply some of the more obvious.
"Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. ~ Gautama Siddhartha The Buddha
The video and its amateurish effort to reinvent and resurrect Camelot by painting the Kennedy clan in gold, was a pathetic and childish effort to rewrite history.
The entire video and its dialogue borders on being assinine, making one wonder how any intelligent person could possibly give any part of it serious consideration. Within the first minute, photos of the three brothers appear, all dead by the unseen hands of others in one giant world conspiracy.
The first to die, Joe, was murdered by Roosevelt, then the other two by Oswald/Sirhan; all by one giant hand of WORLD WIDE conspiracy. Then it is Junior's turn, and once again "they" did it. How childish to allow any credibility to such patent nonsense. To believe that everyone involved over an extensive period of years, lied and falsified the deaths of the Kennedys, is appalling ignorance.
As for the aviation aspect, this from FAA publications:
"FAA RISK MANAGEMENT HANDBOOK H-8083-2
This FAA handbook provides tools to help pilots determine and assess each situation for the safest possible flight with the least amount of risk. Pilots who practice effective risk management possess predetermined personal standards and have formed habit patterns and checklists to incorporate them. This handbook presents methods pilots can use to manage the workloads associated with each phase of flight, resulting in a safer, more enjoyable and less stressful experience for both themselves and their passengers."
In the last 20 years, approximately 85 percent of aviation accidents have been caused by pilot error; often the result of a tendency in flight training to focus solely on the physical aspects of flying the aircraft. The flight instructor who integrates risk management into flight training teaches aspiring pilots how to be more aware of potential risks in flying, how to clearly identify those risks, and how to manage them successfully leading to a solid understanding of how to avoid the most common pilot errors.
As I said early on I haven't enough information about Jr's death to give anything more than my initial feeling. IIRC, he was warned by the ground crew? not to fly that evening, and he disregarded it. It might have been bad weather? Again, that's what I recall so don't hold me to it. Phant in her post above, describes my thoughts on that vid. It's discredited IMO and that's too bad because it hurts the effort of sincere people to find the truth. Could the vid be disinfo designed to do just that? We could pull on that string forever :)
I agree with your #74, and age does have a benefit in the Kennedy matters. I lived through them all, and all save Teddy the sot, raised my antenna. This drugging of him followed by someone unknown driving his car off the bridge is a new one on me. Hell, 'ya think if he realized the government killed his brothers, then this happened to him, he'd take the cork out of his mouth. I sure would. For Teddy, excessive booze, a subservient police department, aided by the local DA, and mega political clout, seems to make sense to me.
Even pigs (and he was) like to live. But we digress. That tube offered no proof to what appears to be an opinion offered as fact. If Alex Jones prepared that, some heads would explode here :P