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Title: Marine Scott Olsen Will Undergo Brain Surgery, And OccupyMARINES Are Making Demands
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Published: Oct 28, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-10-28 08:54:49 by tom007
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Marine Scott Olsen Will Undergo Brain Surgery, And OccupyMARINES Are Making Demands Robert Johnson and Linette Lopez | Oct. 28, 2011, 7:51 AM | 732 | 13 A A A inShare3 Occupy Oakland Image: YouTube After suffering being struck by a projectile at Tuesday's Occupy Oakland evictions, Iraq war veteran Scott Olsen is lucid and awaiting brain surgery. The Guardian reports Olsen "responded with a very large smile" when his parents arrived from Wisconsin to visit him at the hospital. Medical officials say Olsen's able to write and hear, but is having trouble speaking. Meanwhile, Oakland's Mayor Jean Quan who left town after authorizing the raid, has separated herself from the police. Quan said, "I only asked the chief to do one thing: to do it when it was the safest for both the police and the demonstrators." Her interim police chief then denied his men had used rubber bullets or flashbang grenades. His goal he said, "... isn't to cause injury to anyone." In response to the police tactics, OccupyMARINES has issued a formal list of requests in Oakland. Whether these requests are pursued or met should be an indicator of how strong or extensive this branch of the movement has become. Original demands below: OccupyMARINES Have Watched Closely The Response From The OPD, The Mayor, The Governor, And All Others Involved In The Oakland Attack On Peaceful Demonstrators; We Have Observed These Pathetic Cowards Refuse Responsibility For Their Actions That May Very Well Alter The Course Of Our Brother’s Life. Additionally, Many Other Police Departments Nationwide Deploy Similar Riot Tactics Against Demonstrators Honoring The OWS 8, A Peaceful Declaration Of Assembly; We Will Organize Peacefully Against These Departments. In Response To The Oakland Shooting Of Scott Olsen OccupyMARINES Request The Following: The GOP Cowards Responsible For Influencing This Event Be Brought To Justice. Track Names And Photos Of Each And Email Them To Us Identify The 300 OPD Riot Officers By Name, Photo, And Badge Number With Boots On The Ground Engaging In Illegal Excessive Force Acts Against Peaceful Americans For Prosecution. Identify The Officer Responsible For Harming Scott Olsen By Name And Photo For Prosecution. The Honorable Resignation Of Oakland Mayor Jean Quan And Acting Police Chief Howard Jordan. A Public Apology From California Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. For The Unlawful Injury Of Our Brother Scott Olsen. We Fully Intend To Make An Example, Legally And Peacefully, Of The Corwards Associated With Harming An American Veteran. We Will Not Stop Until Our Aforementioned Demands Are Met In Their Entirety. God Be With Scott Olsen, We Pray A Speedy Recovery For Him And His Mother. Semper Fidelis Scott Olsen Keep Pushing Forward America We Support You. Please follow Business Insider on Twitter and Facebook. Follow Robert Johnson on Twitter. Ask Robert A Question > Read more: www.businessinsider.com/m...nds-2011-10#ixzz1c51jcASJ
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A line has been drawn in the sand. Semper Fi, Marines. Thank you. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Who are the GOP cowards ? Otherwise, this event is tragic for the ex-marine but works to the good of our society if the Marines begin to see that they too are serving evil and should remain poised to protect the people regardless of orders from above. "the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
Who are the GOP cowards ? Yeh, I didn't quite get this either. Plenty of dems involved in the US scam. To share some information I have discovered in the last year, remember the Veterans for Peace and their D.C. protest last year? The Marine identified in this thread is a member of that organization. See http://www.veteransforpeace.org/ I have been reading all over the web remarks identified as being from "Iraq War Veterans" on forums where I would not have expected to find past or present military members. I have yet to find any reference to their being VFP members until I went to their home page. In my research last year for confirmation that the D.C. protest was something I could support, I soon discovered that some of the "leaders" of Veterans for Peace are known leftists. I would suspect they get monies for activity in protests such as what we are seeing now as coming from some of the known left wing contributors.
Like the twohundred million the Koch bros are spending to preserve the cosy status quo? I'd like to think that what we're witnessing surpasses party politics or preconceived notions of government "isms". I'm in full support of this "stand" against the current situation even if some commies are enlightened enough to have recognized it. The conditions the country is suffering is a direct result of the activities of those they've been taught to respect and trust (from both parties equally). These folks are able to speak with each other and thereby learn from each other and their shared experience. I keep being pleasantly surprised by these young people and their ability to determine for themselves right from wrong. They deserve a fair chance to develop their own strategy. These youngsters have been raised in one of the most propagandized eras in the history of man and might have much difficulty believing anyone. In the end they will have to live with the outcome. "the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
One thing is certain in my opinion. We must expose the entire criminal enterprise to these young people and quit perpetuating the two party myth.
"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
Patrick Caddell and Douglas Schoen: Expect a Third-Party Candidate in 2012 - WSJ.com The United States is in the midst of what we would both call a prerevolutionary moment, and there is widespread support for fundamental change in the system. An increasing number of Americans are now searching beyond the two parties for bold and effective leadership. A Rasmussen Reports poll conducted earlier this month found that "just 17% of likely U.S. voters think that the federal government today has the consent of the governed," while an extraordinary 69% "believe the government does not have that consent." What's more, a poll of 1,000 Americans conducted by Douglas E. Schoen LLC in April found that a solid majority of Americans are now looking for alternatives to the two-party system. Overall, a majority (57%) of all respondents said there is a need for a third party.
You can be sure that the political class is aware of this. But they have, apparently, achieved hegemon status. But then Gaddafi thought he was, just like Hillary, before he was sodimized and a bullet put in his brain. In my opinion the addition of a third party does little to effect the necessary change because the "FED" still owns it. Much of the gargantuan FEDERAL fraud is made up of stay in place bureaucrats that would undermine Ron Paul's best efforts. Sure, Ron Paul could resort to the issuance of Executive Orders and the veto pen to accomplish some of the changes necessary, but this would amount to his being a benificent dictator rather than the malevolent ones we've become accustomed to. The "FED" has to be escorted out of our lives permanently before we have a snowball's chance in hell of returning to the "organic" Constitutional Government we desire. Maybe Ron Paul can accomplish this feat but I doubt it. "the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
The "Fed" has to go.
If that is true, then the MSM illusion that we are a nation of sheep has been disproved. I always thought that was the case, that the MSM is intentionally and constantly perpetuating that illusion, but this makes it official. It is a small leap from them not having their consent to being enemies of the government and acting accordingly. -------------------------------------------------------- Everyone with an objective mind and average intelligence would be wise to remember THERE ARE NO SPONTANEOUS, UNCOORDINATED, NATIONWIDE POLITICAL PROTESTS IN THIS COUNTRY. All Americans should keep this in mind when viewing the protest(s) as they develop. Remember ... if the "government" WANTED to stop the protests, they would. They have been setting up the wagons for years and, when they see the need, will surround us and end the problem. Perhaps I should point out to those still doubting we have the freedom to organize and protest that the "Occupy" protestors were able to gather and make themselves known without permits, which is directly opposite of that required by the Tea Party organizers. The Tea Party attendants also carried a like message and didn't leave their crap for others to clean up, quite contrary to what we are seeing today. P.S. I might ask, what positive actions/experiences came out of Woodstock, in the 60s??? One marked result I see today that I believe can be directly attributed to that gathering is all the Marxist/socialist/communist politicans that we see enabling or developing the ruination of our republic. At the end of the day, you will witness that all this has been designed to keep buttwheat, his cronies and all the evildoers in their position of power.
Tom, please start attributing the author in stories you post when an author is credited (otherwise, staff/etc. will suffice). You have the habit of just pasting the article link in the spot for "Author". There are two authors listed at the top of the story link. Thank you in advance. P.S. I might ask, what positive actions/experiences came out of Woodstock, in the 60s??? I wouldn't suggest that these protests are spontaneous and would admit that there are those that would like to co-opt them for their own purposes ... on all sides of the political spectrum. I missed Woodstock (darn it) as I was still in the service. Seriously though, they (the establishment) sure did put many of us to sleep with sex, drugs and Rock and Roll. We may have awakened to our problems much sooner had we not partied so much. Then again, life is truly very short. "the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
It turns out that OccupyMarines calls itself OccupyOMC and consists, it says, of retired Marines, not current corps members. For that reason, its website says they will not be wearing their Marine uniforms. I give odds that some who claim to be with them were never in the Corps. In any case, it's a big question mark how many members they actually have (judging from their website, nobody who knows proofreading or writing style), and a bigger question mark how they think they can make Demands.
When you give odds, Shoonra, it's a cinch that I'll know where to lay my bets.
Well, they are marines, what ya expect? that was my thought. what are they going to do when they find out it was Ds not Rs? Why the assumption it was Rs? I suddenly feel like I haven't been following this story closely enough.
so did my husband. he couldn't get himself from CA to NY though he did try.
ROCK ON DUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!!!!!! Not many have, me included, but this seems to be some big stuff. End run around the media that has caged us all in their fairy tales. videopro videopro's picture Make do doubt about it, this was a deliberate attack designed to maximize disabling injuries to the greatest number of people possible. It is NOT a random rogue action by an officer acting in the heat of the moment as the Oakland Police department is attempting to characterize it. It is NOT a tactic suited to civilian crowd control and outright contraindicted according the Geneva Conventions against war crimes, as correctly noted within the posting, This is an illegal tactic even under wartime battlefield conditions. The United States et al. and it's constituents are a signator of this international law. What you see in the video is a highly formalized tactic that is designed specifically for a war-time battle field. It is standardized training for all branches of military despite it's outlawed status and has a specific goal and clear objective: * First, to create a disabling injury among one or a few battlefield combatants. * Next to draw in others in larger numbers to assist and evacuate the wounded. * To attract a high-priority target for elimination, specifically battlefield medics. The rational: To leverage the number of casualties and deaths by eliminating the ability for combatants to achieve recovery by resucitation, treatment of injuries or otherwise rehabilitated enough to return to battle. That means destroying medics, RNs, doctors or others that come to help the wounded. This ensures that other wounded recieve no assistance and serves to guarantee the effectiveness and success of an attack by way of: INTENTIONALLY INFLICITING DISABLING INJURIES OR DEATH TO KEY TACTICAL TARGETS WITH FURTHER OBJECTIVE TO LEVERAGE THE NUMBER OF INCAPACITATING INJURIES TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. What happens next is to make the remaining combatants become easy pickings for destruction as they are bogged down by rescue efforts. What Oakland Police did was in the purest sense and by definition of International Conventions a premeditated act akin to war as the tactic is formalized to that exact purpose. What has occurred is the clearest indication of how civilian policing has tranformed into a offensive based militaristic organization in direct violation of the Constitution of the United States. The officer involved currently has a $1000 reward outstanding to secure his identification. There should be gathering around the idea of soliciting a much higher reward to ensure he is brought to justice under the jurisdiction of the (ICC) International Criminal Court. Carrying with it implicit promise, all other such illegal actions under the color of authority will also meet swift and sure punishment equal to a international war crime. Login or register to post comm things that make you go hmmmmm....
I expect the City of Oakland to stonewall on the identification of the Pig who did this. What I suspect, but cannot prove, is that he was not Oakland PD but a specially trained Fed who had been slipped in to provoke an "incident". What it appears to be from the circumstances and actions is the attempt to throw a "lit match" onto a pool of gasoline. The attack on the Marine was, I believe, a premeditated attempt to create a riot and it backfired. Now the Mayor is acting scared, there was already a recall petition circulating, and the "Good Mayor" is under pressure from above to stay shut up "or else". This incident is going to bring down big thunder on the city of Oakland and holds the potential to unmask the fact that Feds are being inserted into these type of civil situations to escalate them to a level that then justifies a police clampdown and abuse, in the eyes of the Sheeple, as a response to "out of control" rioters. I have seen this pattern before. In Portland, during the anti-Iraq War demonstrations in 2003, there was an incident that drew attention but was papered over and nothing ever came of it. What occurred was black clad Pigs advancing on otherwise peaceful demonstrators inflicted the maximum amount of pain possible - in one instance Pepper Spraying a young father holding his toddler daughter and simply trying to get out of the vicinity and the Pig Pepper Sprayed them both in the face as they tried to flea the scene. These are all Psychological Operations aimed at inciting, creating, a desired response. Have no doubt but that these tactics were created at some Psychiatric Think Tank whether at Tavistock, CIA, or Mossad. Thanks for this take - I'd not thought of it. But, it does make sense. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson * Next to draw in others in larger numbers to assist and evacuate the wounded. * To attract a high-priority target for elimination, specifically battlefield medics. The rational: To leverage the number of casualties and deaths by eliminating the ability for combatants to achieve recovery by resucitation, treatment of injuries or otherwise rehabilitated enough to return to battle. That means destroying medics, RNs, doctors or others that come to help the wounded. This ensures that other wounded recieve no assistance and serves to guarantee the effectiveness and success of an attack by way of: INTENTIONALLY INFLICITING DISABLING INJURIES OR DEATH TO KEY TACTICAL TARGETS WITH FURTHER OBJECTIVE TO LEVERAGE THE NUMBER OF INCAPACITATING INJURIES TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. And thats EXACTLY WHAT THOSE SCUM BAGS DID! Brain surgery for peaceful protesting. He could have easily have been killed by this. If the police are foolish enough to keep this up, they will need all the training they can get, they will be the target.
God is always good!
Police who nearly killed Iraq vet at OCCUPY protests trained by Israeli military Agreed.
Phant, I think you're speaking of Glenn Beck's version of the Tea Party (although I readily admit the Tea Partiers are a tidy bunch). I also attended Tea Party events but quit when I determined that they had been co-opted by neo- con types like Glenn Beck that soon convinced them to attend the (not a protest) "meeting" sign-free. Though he drew a huge crowd they were more difficult to understand than the current protesters that are at least carrying signs which give those with a little more information the opportunity to educate them as well as propagandize them I suppose. The original Tea Partiers left refuse in the bay where they dumped the tea. They weren't trying to be nice and considering modern conditions in this country we shouldn't feel obligated to an abundance of civility either. The original Tea Partiers were delivering a message unlike Glenn's Tea Partiers. Our country is in a difficult time and things are likely to get messy. Neither the neo-con Tea partiers nor the marxist Occupy Wall Streeters hold a majority position within either movement. These two groups are more closely aligned in ideology than they may realize at this stage of events. Ya know, many think the military are just robots engineered to kill but I would offer Ron Paul's campaign contributions from them as an example of the error in some people's thinking. The MSM is expending much effort to convince America that these AMERICANS participating in OWS are unamerican, when the truth is that the MSM is unamerican. Too many folks take the media at their word without considering some of the blatant hypocrisy they spew. Glenn Beck for example "says" he opposes socialism in one breath and then calls for unfettered blind support for Israel, including your tax dollars being spent to militarize Israel. I don't think there are any simple answers to the fact that Americans from every layer of our society know things are spinning out of control because of criminality and corruption at the highest levels. Wall Street (YES), Washington D.C. (YES), FEDERAL RESERVE (YES), Media (YES), State Governments (YES), ... corruption has engulfed this nation and good hard working people with diverse views know it and millions are feeling it personally. Trying to make a nice neat package out of the mess we're in is probably impossible. The "system" or "establishment" wants us to pick a side so that we divide and fight each other when we should unite in support of liberty and agree to argue the lesser points that we don't understand or see eye to eye on after liberty to do so is accomplished. Much of the negativity revolves around housing and employment, which the parties named above have created. (My opinion is that they have created this debacle purposely). The country is sick and might need to toss its cookies before it feels better ! "the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
Now the Mayor is acting scared, there was already a recall petition circulating, and the "Good Mayor" is under pressure from above to stay shut up "or else". This incident is going to bring down big thunder on the city of Oakland and holds the potential to unmask the fact that Feds are being inserted into these type of civil situations to escalate them to a level that then justifies a police clampdown and abuse, in the eyes of the Sheeple, as a response to "out of control" rioters. I have seen this pattern before. In Portland, during the anti-Iraq War demonstrations in 2003, there was an incident that drew attention but was papered over and nothing ever came of it. What occurred was black clad Pigs advancing on otherwise peaceful demonstrators inflicted the maximum amount of pain possible - in one instance Pepper Spraying a young father holding his toddler daughter and simply trying to get out of the vicinity and the Pig Pepper Sprayed them both in the face as they tried to flea the scene. These are all Psychological Operations aimed at inciting, creating, a desired response. Have no doubt but that these tactics were created at some Psychiatric Think Tank whether at Tavistock, CIA, or Mossad. don't know if these have been posted: U.S. military warns of plot by Federal Reserve bankers to have CIA mercenaries from Libya kill New York cops. "...Don't tell anyone that I'm financed by the Federal Reserve bankers. The Federal Reserve bankers have offered $billions to the CIA mercenaries in Libya to come to the United States and start a bloody rebellion. The Federal Reserve bankers sent Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to make their offer and terms. According to high ranking U.S. military officials the plot by the Federal Reserve bankers calls for Libyan mercenaries to enter the United States as guest of the Federal Reserve banks. Once on U.S. soil they are to hook up with CIA and DHS contacts and immediately prepare and execute their mission to start shooting New York City cops who are assigned to police the Occupy Wall Street protests....." presscore.ca/2011/?p=4808 False flag attack alert – Shoulder fired missiles smuggled into U.S. from Libya. "...they were allegedly acquired by and smuggled into the United States by the CIA. The CIA is planning on using them to down U.S. commercial airlines. The downing of U.S. commercial airlines will be blamed on Iran. The U.S. military is looking into a report that the missiles may have entered the U.S. on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s diplomatic plane. Hillary Clinton made an unscheduled stop in Libya last Tuesday October 18, 2011 and held secret meetings with several officials of the National Transitional Council (NTC). Earlier this week presscore.ca reported that the U.S. military uncovered a plot by the Federal Reserve bankers to kill Americans involved in the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York City using CIA Libyan mercenaries. The plot involved killing New York City cops in order to start a bloody confrontation between the peaceful protesters and New York City cops. ...." Then there's this: USMC sniper vets ready to serve and protect the American people. presscore.ca/2011/?p=4854 [This would actually be prophetic if true. Ezekiel 38:5 "Put" = "Libya (Africa)" according to my study Bible. Maybe it's a wake-up call [Isaiah 52] from God. There is no doubt in MY mind that Ezekiel 38-39/Rev. 20:7-10 is where we stand in prophetic times, Christian America being the land of Israel (Ezekiel 34:11-16/John 10;Galatians 3:29), the New Jerusalem of unwalled villages for all the men and cattle thereof (Zechariah 2:4)] "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Thanks for the data. At this point I am watching the situation and still sifting. There are too many variables and there is more here than meets the eye. I expect that there will be a lot of planted disinformation, but sifting out what is fact and what is planted requires more data so that I can make comparisons against data of comparable magnitude. I still lean toward the hypothesis that the initial "Occupy Wall Street" was a set up PsyOp, but that the controlling Psychs running the operation did not expect it to explode in quite the way it did and it has unnerved their masters. They failed to take into account "The Butterfly Effect" i.e., that in a chaotic nonlinear system which has gone out of equilibrium, or been forced out of equilibrium, it will react in unpredictable ways. Another element still developing is the response of veterans to the brutal attempted murder of Scott Olsen. OWS is NOT a homogeneous mix of different shades of left - which I think was the original intent. Instead we have a spectrum of anarchist left to libertarian right and focus is slowly shifting from simply the lure i.e., Wall Street, to the real nexus which is the central banksters. Still evolving and developing. Of course the truth that still may not speak its name is that the "1%" is not a homogeneous group either and that the key players creating hell on earth have names like Greedspan, Kissinger, Benancke, Rothschild, Warburg, Kuhn, Loeb, etc., .... Stay Tuned. noone gives a shit !!! (noone222 that is !) "the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
Salut!
The self-appointed elite vermin seem to have no problem now fomenting chaos just to see what opportunities will occur to their advantage. This indicates a desperation, a fear that has them planning poorly. Perhaps they are coming to the realization they really have nowhere to hide. Perhaps they are feeling cornered.
I think you are on to something there. Although as Psychotics one of their weaknesses is that they cannot, literally, conceive of being wrong - even when they are deadly wrong. It goes with the psychotic territory. However, I think that it is beginning to sink in that "all is not well in Toonerville". As a result they have tried, either through fear or hubris or both, to speed up their enslavement regimen, and as I predicted about 5 years ago that doing so would be their undoing. They, the psychotic Bankster/Psych elite, sought to impose their will and their grip on all of humanity, but the basic weakness is that they could only do it by remaining covert and hidden. They are no longer quite as well hidden, thanks no small part to the Internet and lots of brave people speaking the truth, and with their cover gone they are increasingly exposed. So, we are still in a race between awareness and their already extensive grip. that's what israel's for... the refuge of last resort. of course, if you're a successful looter, you can buy refuge someplace more civilized than israel... not to mention the fact that israel is probably gonna have to be written off, anyhow, because it was such a bad idea in the first place. yu kos executives flee to israel
Indeed we are. Naming them and sending those names a massive amount of negative sentiment may cower some but I'm afraid many of the more psychotic, when cornered, will respond in a most primitive and savage manner with all the weak minds and weapons they can purchase.
If that is all they have, I understand why they would be afraid.
lol....... " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
well, yes... but if they have enough money, they can buy refuge elsewhere.... berezovsky is hiding out in the UK, for instance... but really, they cant abandon ship too early, cause they'd leave a lot of money on the table... and the pro-semitic sympathy in the US has a lot of momentum, and the public is continually flooded with pro-jewish propaganda. it will be a while yet before things get bad enough that the big jews will have to bail out... and of course, things may get so bad so quick (nuke false flag that drags us into nuke WWIII?) that looters are the least of our worries.... and the looters will be long gone before the shit hits the fan, anyhow. when the fat little goldman boys start, en masse, buying plane tickets to uruguay, then it's time to get worried.
"The Jews are always monopolizing capital and when their depredations become too much for the People, protests and dead Jews result. So, instead of pointing their fingers at the Jews who cause capitalism to destroy Society, they point their fingers at Capitalism, itself, as the cause of the depredations. Blaming a non-corporeal idea or system, saves the Jews from being killed for their crimes and opens up a new method of despoiling Society by these same greedy and malicious Jews. Yes, get rid of capitalism that is operated by greedy Jews and bring in Communism or Socialism that is operated by greedy Jews. Such a deal! A real improvement!" Ditto. That concerns me as well, which is why open violence is not a viable solution. Rather than release their grip on power they would literally destroy the planet and kill every man woman and child. Most people do not really get "in their bones" how truly insane these monsters are. Most people will not even look as they do not have the necessary confront - so they throw up a cloud of unknowingness and retreat into their cocoon of Faux Nooze and CNN. It is like my German Aunt who survived the horrors in Germany and married an American Soldier - everything was always "happy, happy", and avoid confronting the true horror of it all. Another part of our suppressed history is the five to eight million Germans who were slowly murdered, mainly by forced starvation, by the "Noble" Allies following WWII. However, the current crop of monsters do have to be handled and neutralized carefully by exposure and slowly prying their fingers loose from the buttons that could kill us all. It is like disarming the fuse on a bomb. We can't delay but we cannot act too quickly or make a wrong move. They truly are criminally insane, and people need to get that. can you envision any way of prying netanyahu's and lieberman's fingers loose from those buttons? israelis have been breeding for radical jewish supremacy for generations, now... are they gonna roll over and play dead, or have they decided that a world without israel-- populated and governed by creatures who are on a spriitual par with cows--- is not worth living in?
I'm sorry, but calling it "the Jooooos" is simplistic. Yes, many of the high level Psychopaths are of Jewish descent, but not all. The problem is not a people it is a diseased mindset which has been infused and conflated with Judaism. The religion, and the people involved are separable. Enforced exclusion actually exacerbates the problem - that is why the Jewish leadership promotes Zionist/Jewish exclusivity and separation - because they perceive that to be the source of their power. By keeping separate and isolated they enhance their control and it provides a wall of defense for the high level criminals. That is why you see the Jewish leadership so concerned and preaching against assimilation. Jews that assimilate into the common culture develop affinity for that culture and as a result are less prone to the types of crimes justified by "anti-semitism". That is why Theodore Hertzl wrote in his diaries that he regarded anti-semites as allies and wanted to inflame anti-semitism as a control tool. To allow one's self to bite on the lure to hate is to disempower one's self. What should be handled is the criminality and it should be done free of hate. It should be done because that is what protects others. Membership in a given cultural group should neither confer prejudice nor protection. It is irrelevant to the degree that we seek to stop the criminal actions.
can you envision any way of prying netanyahu's and lieberman's fingers loose from those buttons? Yes, first you snip the lead carrying power to it, remove their credibility and expose the reality of what they are doing, without triggering any booby-traps. I didn't say it would be easy I said that's what needs to be done. It wouldn't hurt to pray either. why does the israeli haaretz newspaper blame jews for the iraq war? why does the jewish american writer jim lobe trace the origins of this fiasco back to an incestuous group of american jews who are allied with israel? why was the PNAC project, that confessed in september of 2000, that they needed "a new pearl harbor" to get their project started... why was that outfit f ounded by israeli amerincan jews? why were so many of bunnypants' administration recruited from the AEI, which is a hotbed of likud sympathizers, and spawned PNAC? why are so many of the big looters jewish? ...why did they, professional money people, sell houses to people who couldnt afford them, package those loans and sell them globally, then trigger a global econonic crash that lowered demand for oil, thus obscuring the fact that global oil production had peaked? was peak oil the triggering motive for the PNAC operation that started the final looting of america?
This should be of primary concern to every rational person on this planet.
No......they have suppressed alternative energy for a very long time. We don't need oil, but they want to squeeze every last dime out of it and fool you into believing that it is the end all. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
actually, i think they will come out with some sort of alt. energy as a means to minimize the taxation/debt/fake money thingy and remain in a semblance of power.
“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,
we all have to start wondering why exxon is allied with the AEI... if anyone had a realistic estimation about the timing of peak oil, it would have been exxon. so exxon is allied with the AEI --which is infested with likud sympathizers-- and the AEI spawned PNAC, which admitted they needed a "new pearl harbor". then, a couple months after PNAC pubnlishes its paper noting their need for "a new pearl harbor", various PNAC signatories like cheney, rumsfeld and wolfowiz, are installed, by a phony election in a state governed by a PNAC member, into some of the highest offices in the US. then, their new pearl harbor happens.
It is simplistic because the nexus of criminality, at the highest levels, is not ALL Jews. It is a small group of high level criminals that have names like Rothschild, Warburg, Kuhn, Loeb, Rockefeller, Windsor, Beatrix of Orange, Glucksburg, and other members of the old money European Nobility. As is obvious not all of these are Jews. Jewishness is used as a shield to deflect criticism by the highest levels of the titularly Jewish arm of the high cabal. Calling it a Jewish thing is like calling Organized rackets an "Italian Thing". Are all Italians members of the Mob? Are all Catholics members of the Mob? Most of the old money Brahmins of the American Northeast are, in theory, Protestant - which is why they hate the Kennedys who are Catholic. However, trying to make this a matter of Ethnic Politics misses the point. It is a matter of criminality and individual criminal bosses have names. When doing surgery to remove a festering rot you don't cut out everything, you cut out the rot and leave the healthy tissue alone. If Joe has a burst appendix you don't cut Mary's head off to fix it. Who is this they? The same who have suppressed the electro magnetic field technology? This 'they' has no intention of minimizing any alternative to fear and lack for humanity. It will come from us, IMHO. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
well, sure... little jews have to be left behind, and be persecuted for the sins of the big jews, seeing as how persecution (and whining about persecution) is such a fundamental part of jewish philosophy. i mean, without persecution and whining, how are jews gonna get into position to start the next cycle of jewish dominance? that's how it works, and if you dont like it, quit being a jew. simple
It must be tried and, of course, preferable to any violence, but, I believe we are on the verge of seeing millions of people unwilling to bet their very survival on being able to talk down the psychopaths.
could be. they may not be smart enough to hedge. “Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,
There is only one way to "neutralize" and this is to end the secrecy that is destroying this nation and beyond. This is the only way to pry the fingers loose and it is more akin to ripping off the bandage of a festering wound than a careful and slow event, IMHO. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
We often witness their timeline getting a wrench thrown into it and the rush to patch over events that unfold that are unaccounted for and no matter how much effort is thrown at keeping the masses sleeping, we see awakening all around and this cannot be hedged, IMHO. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
i agree. maybe marie antoinette would have sold the fine tableware had she seen the bonfires on the hillside and heard the hoots from her bed chamber “Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,
yup, end the secrecy... you could start by refuting the exxon/AEI/CERA bullshit denials of the prime motives to stage 9/11... those motives being, of course, peak oil and global warming. once everyone realizes how bad peak oil threatens the israeli american empire, the rest will fall into place. israel must be secured from sea level rise (by grabbing high ground in the west bank) before america goes tits up from peak oil... so long as there's such a massively-funded effort by the deniers, there's no chance of ripping the veil of secrecy off this operation.
It must be tried and, of course, preferable to any violence, but, I believe we are on the verge of seeing millions of people unwilling to bet their very survival on being able to talk down the psychopaths. I do agree we are reaching a crisis point. Beyond that the future is unsettled. The game is not yet over and the monsters have not yet won - which is why they are becoming a bit frantic. By their calculations we should have already folded and we have only grown stronger. Peak oil is nonexistent. Next talking point. You act as if 911 had something to do with 'saving' humanity from peak oil and glowbull warming.......how naive can you be? It had to do with consolidation of wealth, an end to the consumer age and controlling the masses with fear, especially fear of glowbull warming and peak oil. Sheesh, lead.and.lag, do you fail to realize that EVERY PLANET IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM IS WARMING? lol " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Once everyone realizes that peak oil is another bullshit scare tactic, the rest will fall into place......wake up already! " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
i got to admit that you dont have to be a jew or an israeli or a psychopath or NWO yahoo or whatever to have an aversion to ideas like peak oil and global warming... the implications of peak oil mean that fat americans are gonna see severe dents put in their rice bowls, and they dont like thinking about that... ...and of course the people who fund the denial mechanism --people who were the instigators of this PNAC oil and land acquisition project, starting with 9/11--- realize that... denial of peak oil and global warming is an easy sell... which is a good thing, because it would be gruesome if people finally understood why israel, israeli americans and their oily felloow travelers had to kill 3000 americans to get their project started.
One wonders how much force would be required to accomplish this and certainly what kind of response it would elicit. One also wonders why there has not been a concentrated effort by many thousands people using the technology of the day to expose the treacherous plotting of psychos who would devastate humanity.
the implications of peak oil mean that fat americans are gonna see severe dents put in their rice bowls, and they dont like thinking about that... Why do you deny that ALL of the planets in our solar system are warming due to changes in the Sun's magnetic field? And what the hell do you plan to do about it? It's not about "denial" it is about not denying that events are unfolding beyond this little blue planet. Peak oil will seem insignificant when the dollar collapses....... " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
of course it will... ...and that's what the money boys are counting on... that's why they sold houses to people who couldnt pay for them... the money boys needed a mechanism to crash the dollar, and the global economy, so the demand for oil will crash, so their motive for this PNAC operation is obscured.
Only the force of human consciousness is necessary to accomplish this.....this will also determine the response it would elicit. The grand demons carry on because we wallow in lack of awareness. I've read of CEO's who have tasted the ramifications of their actions and, on their own, changed their ways simply because of awareness and consciousness. We shall see more of this. But, don't wait to hear the stories on the evening news as they never report them. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
American Jewish Student Loses Eye During West Bank Protest Washington — Overshadowed by the events of the Gaza-bound flotilla, the May 31 incident at Kalandia crossing near Ramallah went almost unnoticed. Little was reported on the injury of Emily Henochowicz, a 21-year-old American Jewish student who lost her left eye after being hit by a tear gas canister shot by Israeli soldiers during a pro-Palestinian protest. Henochowicz, an art student at Cooper Union in New York, was on an exchange program at the Bezalel Academy of Arts and Design in Jerusalem. She grew up in the Washington suburb of Potomac, Md.; her father was born in Israel, and she holds an Israeli passport by birth. During this recent stay in Israel, she frequently joined pro-Palestinian demonstrations, whether to protest the security barrier or the alleged confiscation of Palestinian homes. ..... The events that led to the May 31 injury are in dispute. Pro-Palestinian activists started off protesting the Gaza flotilla incident when, at the Kalandia checkpoint, one of the main entry routes to Ramallah, the protesters encountered Israeli border patrol soldiers who tried to break up the demonstration, which lacked a permit. A border patrol spokesman said in a statement that soldiers shot tear gas canisters according to the approved protocol for this ammunition. These rules require tear gas to be shot at a 45-degree angle and from a safe distance, so as not to hit protesters directly.
The border patrol conducted an internal investigation of the case and concluded that all actions taken by the soldiers were appropriate. The Israel Defense Forces did not provide an explanation for Henochowicz’s injury, but in the past have explained that similar injuries were unfortunate accidents, since there is no way to completely control the trajectory of tear gas or rubber bullets. But activists standing next to Henochowicz offered a different account. Soren Johanssen from Sweden said, in a statement made public by the International Solidarity Movement, that border patrol soldiers shot directly at the protesters. “They fired many canisters at us in rapid succession,” said Johanssen who, according to ISM, stood next to Henochowicz. “One landed on either side of Emily, then the third one hit her in the face,” he said. Henochowicz was rushed to Hadassah Medical Center in Jerusalem after losing her left eye, breaking her jaw and suffering multiple wounds to her face, according to her family members and a statement issued by Cooper Union.
True enough. All is not yet lost.
Since the 70's the dollar has been propped up by petrol dollar hegemony....which was never "stable" in any sense of the word. But, it did work to keep the masses focused on the consumer society......which also isn't "stable" in any way. What is not "stable" will pass away and it must be so. In the end, people will never again seek material wealth over awareness and spiritual wealth. The mechanism is greater than your small world view, IMHO. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Perhaps you are correct. I have noticed an increased number of people who are very concerned.
These tactics go back as far as the French Revolution, maybe further than that. It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?
You have made several references to PNAC in this thread so I am archiving this info here for research convenience: "Rebuilding America's Defenses" – A Summary Full text of Rebuilding America's Defenses here [PNAC/Project for a New American Century .pdf file; Page numbering citation differences -- ex: search phrase "useful tool", etc.] A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm Our Leaders, the Enemy -- The Afghan Vortex, etc. Then September 11 happened. How PNAC and OSP [Office of Special Plans] Created the War -- The Afghan Vortex, etc. In 1992 Paul Wolfowitz wrote the Defense Planning Guidance, with his former student, Lewis Libby: "The foreign strategy of the US must be unapologetic, idealistic, assertive and well funded. America must not only be the world's policeman or its sheriff, it must be its beacon and guide... Our first objective is to prevent the re- emergence of a new rival. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power. These regions include Western Europe, East Asia, the territory of the former Soviet Union, and Southwest Asia..There are three additional aspects to this objective: First the U.S must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests. Second, in the non-defense areas, we must account sufficiently for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic order. Finally, we must maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role." Paul Wolfowitz, who is now the head of the World Trade Organization, was the former Director of Policy Planning in the Department of Defense (DOD). Wolfowitz was a principle PNAC author and he openly admitted in Vanity Fair magazine (May 2003) that they settled on Weapons of Mass Destruction as the excuse to use to get a war with Iraq: "For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on." ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#2. To: tom007 (#0)
The GOP Cowards Responsible For Influencing This Event Be Brought To Justice.
#3. To: noone222 (#2)
The GOP Cowards Responsible For Influencing This Event Be Brought To Justice.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#4. To: noone222 (#2)
#5. To: Phant2000 (#4)
protests such as what we are seeing now as coming from some of the known left wing contributors.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#6. To: Phant2000 (#4)
#7. To: tom007 (#5)
#8. To: noone222, tom007 (#7)
One thing is certain in my opinion. We must expose the entire criminal enterprise to these young people and quit perpetuating the two party myth.
#9. To: TwentyTwelve (#8)
while an extraordinary 69% "believe the government does not have that consent."
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#10. To: TwentyTwelve (#8)
#11. To: noone222 (#10)
The "FED" has to be escorted out of our lives permanently before we have a snowball's chance in hell of returning to the "organic" Constitutional Government we desire.
#12. To: TwentyTwelve (#8)
A Rasmussen Reports poll conducted earlier this month found that "just 17% of likely U.S. voters think that the federal government today has the consent of the governed," while an extraordinary 69% "believe the government does not have that consent."
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#13. To: noone222, tom007, All (#6)
These folks are able to speak with each other and thereby learn from each other and their shared experience. I keep being pleasantly surprised by these young people and their ability to determine for themselves right from wrong.
#14. To: tom007 (#0)
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-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#15. To: Phant2000 (#13)
THERE ARE NO SPONTANEOUS, UNCOORDINATED, NATIONWIDE POLITICAL PROTESTS IN THIS COUNTRY.
#16. To: tom007 (#0)
#17. To: Shoonra (#16)
I give odds
#18. To: Shoonra (#16)
(judging from their website, nobody who knows proofreading or writing style),
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#19. To: tom007, noone222 (#3)
Yeh, I didn't quite get this either. Plenty of dems involved in the US scam.
#20. To: noone222 (#15)
I missed Woodstock (darn it) as I was still in the service.
#21. To: noone222 (#15)
Then again, life is truly very short.
#22. To: farmfriend (#19)
I suddenly feel like I haven't been following this story closely enough.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#23. To: All (#22)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#24. To: Phant2000 (#13)
Perhaps I should point out to those still doubting we have the freedom to organize and protest that the "Occupy" protestors were able to gather and make themselves known without permits, which is directly opposite of that required by the Tea Party organizers. The Tea Party attendants also carried a like message and didn't leave their crap for others to clean up, quite contrary to what we are seeing today.
#25. To: tom007, christine, Phant2000, farmfriend, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, Jethro Tull, CadetD, Go Beavers!, All (#23)
The officer involved currently has a $1000 reward outstanding to secure his identification. There should be gathering around the idea of soliciting a much higher reward to ensure he is brought to justice under the jurisdiction of the (ICC) International Criminal Court. Carrying with it implicit promise, all other such illegal actions under the color of authority will also meet swift and sure punishment equal to a international war crime.
#26. To: Original_Intent (#25)
#27. To: tom007 (#23)
* First, to create a disabling injury among one or a few battlefield combatants.
I support the occupation
#28. To: tom007 (#0)
#29. To: Original_Intent, tom007, christine, noone222, Phant2000, farmfriend, TwentyTwelve, titorite, Lod, RickyJ, Artisan, wudidiz, Jethro Tull, CadetD, Go Beavers!, All (#25)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#30. To: Original_Intent (#25)
Have no doubt but that these tactics were created at some Psychiatric Think Tank whether at Tavistock, CIA, or Mossad.
#31. To: Phant2000m thread, all (#13)
The Tea Party attendants also carried a like message and didn't leave their crap for others to clean up, quite contrary to what we are seeing today.
#32. To: Original_Intent (#25)
I expect the City of Oakland to stonewall on the identification of the Pig who did this. What I suspect, but cannot prove, is that he was not Oakland PD but a specially trained Fed who had been slipped in to provoke an "incident". What it appears to be from the circumstances and actions is the attempt to throw a "lit match" onto a pool of gasoline. The attack on the Marine was, I believe, a premeditated attempt to create a riot and it backfired.
#33. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, christine, farmfriend, TwentyTwelve, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, Lod, CadetD, all, anyone left who still gives a shit (#32)
#34. To: Original_Intent (#33)
#33. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, christine, farmfriend, TwentyTwelve, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, Lod, CadetD, all, anyone left who still gives a shit (#32)
#35. To: noone222 (#34)
#36. To: Original_Intent (#33)
I still lean toward the hypothesis that the initial "Occupy Wall Street" was a set up PsyOp, but that the controlling Psychs running the operation did not expect it to explode in quite the way it did and it has unnerved their masters.
#37. To: eskimo (#36)
Perhaps they are coming to the realization they really have nowhere to hide. Perhaps they are feeling cornered.
#38. To: eskimo (#36)
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Perhaps they are coming to the realization they really have nowhere to hide
#39. To: Original_Intent (#37)
So, we are still in a race between awareness and their already extensive grip.
#40. To: lead.and.lag (#38)
that's what israel's for... the refuge of last resort.
#41. To: eskimo (#40)
If that is all they have, I understand why they would be afraid.
#42. To: eskimo (#40)
(Edited)
If that is all they have, I understand why they would be afraid.
#43. To: Original_Intent, *The hook-nosed Jew* (#33)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#44. To: eskimo (#39)
but I'm afraid many of the more psychotic, when cornered, will respond in a most primitive and savage manner with all the weak minds and weapons they can purchase.
#45. To: Original_Intent (#44)
(Edited)
the current crop of monsters do have to be handled and neutralized carefully by exposure and slowly prying their fingers loose from the buttons that could kill us all.
#46. To: X-15 (#43)
#47. To: lead.and.lag (#45)
the current crop of monsters do have to be handled and neutralized carefully by exposure and slowly prying their fingers loose from the buttons that could kill us all.
#48. To: Original_Intent (#46)
(Edited)
but calling it "the Jooooos" is simplistic
#49. To: lead.and.lag (#42)
it will be a while yet before things get bad enough that the big jews will have to bail out... and of course, things may get so bad so quick (nuke false flag that drags us into nuke WWIII?) that looters are the least of our worries....
#50. To: lead.and.lag (#48)
was peak oil the triggering motive
#51. To: abraxas (#50)
#52. To: All (#48)
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#53. To: lead.and.lag (#48)
#54. To: gengis gandhi (#51)
actually, i think they will come out with some sort of alt. energy as a means to minimize the taxation/debt/fake money thingy and remain in a semblance of power.
#55. To: Original_Intent (#53)
(Edited)
It is simplistic because the nexus of criminality, at the highest levels, is not ALL Jews.
#56. To: Original_Intent (#44)
However, the current crop of monsters do have to be handled and neutralized carefully by exposure and slowly prying their fingers loose from the buttons that could kill us all.
#57. To: abraxas (#54)
#58. To: eskimo, Original Intent (#56)
the current crop of monsters do have to be handled and neutralized carefully by exposure and slowly prying their fingers loose from the buttons that could kill us all.
#59. To: gengis gandhi (#57)
they may not be smart enough to hedge.
#60. To: abraxas (#59)
#61. To: abraxas (#58)
(Edited)
end the secrecy that is destroying this nation and beyond.
#62. To: eskimo (#56)
However, the current crop of monsters do have to be handled and neutralized carefully by exposure and slowly prying their fingers loose from the buttons that could kill us all.
#63. To: lead.and.lag, abraxas (#61)
once everyone realizes how bad peak oil threatens the israeli american empire, the rest will fall into place.
#64. To: lead.and.lag (#61)
you could start by refuting the exxon/AEI/CERA bullshit denials about the prime motives to stage 9/11... those motives being, of course, peak oil and global warming.
#65. To: lead.and.lag (#61)
once everyone realizes how bad peak oil threatens the israeli american empire, the rest will fall into place.
#66. To: All (#61)
(Edited)
#67. To: abraxas (#58)
There is only one way to "neutralize" and this is to end the secrecy that is destroying this nation and beyond.
#68. To: lead.and.lag (#66)
denial of peak oil and global warming is an easy sell... the implications of peak oil mean that fat americans are gonna see severe dents put in their rice bowls, and they dont like thinking about that...
#69. To: abraxas (#68)
(Edited)
Peak oil will seem insignificant when the dollar collapses.......
#70. To: eskimo (#67)
One wonders how much force would be required to accomplish this and certainly what kind of response it would elicit.
#71. To: tom007 (#0)
#72. To: All (#71)
#73. To: Original_Intent (#62)
The game is not yet over and the monsters have not yet won -
#74. To: lead.and.lag (#69)
he money boys needed a mechanism to crash the dollar, and the global economy, so the demand for oil will crash, so their motive for this PNAC operation is obscured.
#75. To: abraxas (#70)
Only the force of human consciousness is necessary to accomplish this.....
#76. To: Original_Intent (#25)
Have no doubt but that these tactics were created at some Psychiatric Think Tank whether at Tavistock, CIA, or Mossad.
#77. To: lead.and.lag (#48)
Blueprint of the PNAC Plan for U.S. Global Hegemony
Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.
Afghanistan - Krakowsky’s distinction is owed to a strategy paper called “The Afghan Vortex” (May 2000). The main thrust of the paper is the importance of Afghanistan ( “crossroads between what Halford MacKinder called the world’s Heartland and the Indian sub continent. It owes its importance to its location at the confluence of major routes. A boundary between land power and sea power, it is the meeting point between opposing forces larger than itself”; and the opportunities it presents for the West which can be arrived at only with ‘external intervention’. The paper also argues that the ‘interested states’ that have a stake in Afghanistan must see that active participation in stabilizing it is the only solution. “ Only the United States has this capability”, according to Krakowshy[ii].
The Iraq war and control over energy resources is outlined in Israel's A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" [linked] which was written by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. You can read the IASPS's (Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Science) paper called The Afghan Vortex [linked], written a year before the invasion.
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