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Title: OWS has transformed public opinion For the first time since the Great Depression, the majority of Americans favor wealth redistribution
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URL Source: http://www.salon.com/2011/10/31/how ... rmed_public_opinion/singleton/
Published: Nov 2, 2011
Author: Bob
Post Date: 2011-11-02 09:47:55 by tom007
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Views: 838
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OWS has transformed public opinion For the first time since the Great Depression, the majority of Americans favor wealth redistribution By Robert Reich

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Topics:Occupy Wall Street, Great Recession This originally appeared on Robert Reich's blog.

A combination of police crackdowns and bad weather are testing the young Occupy movement. But rumors of its demise are premature, to say the least. Although numbers are hard to come by, anecdotal evidence suggests the movement is growing.

As importantly, the movement has already changed the public debate in America.

Consider, for example, last week’s Congressional Budget Office report on widening disparities of income in America. It was hardly news – it’s already well known that the top 1 percent now gets 20 percent of the nation’s income, up from 9 percent in the late 1970s.

But it’s the first time such news made the front page of the nation’s major newspapers.

Why? Because for the first time in more than half a century, a broad cross-section of the American public is talking about the concentration of income, wealth and political power at the top.

Score a big one for the Occupiers.

Even more startling is the change in public opinion. Not since the 1930s has a majority of Americans called for redistribution of income or wealth. But according to a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, an astounding 66 percent of Americans said the nation’s wealth should be more evenly distributed.

A similar majority believes the rich should pay more in taxes. According to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, even a majority of people who describe themselves as Republicans believe taxes should be increased on the rich.

I remember the days when even raising the subject of inequality made you a “class warrior.” Now, it seems, most Americans have become class warriors.

And they blame Republicans for stacking the deck in favor of the rich. On that New York Times/CBS News poll, 69 percent of respondents said Republican policies favor the rich (28 percent said the same of Obama’s policies).

The old view was anyone could make it in America with enough guts and gumption. We believed in the self-made man (or, more recently, woman) who rose from rags to riches – inventors and entrepreneurs born into poverty, like Benjamin Franklin; generations of young men from humble beginnings who grew up to became president, like Abe Lincoln. We loved the novellas of Horatio Alger, and their more modern equivalents – stories that proved the American dream was open to anyone who worked hard.

In that old view, being rich was proof of hard work, and lack of money proof of indolence or worse. As Herman Cain still says “if you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself.”

But Cain’s line isn’t hitting a responsive chord. In fact, he’s backtracked from it (along with much of the rest of what he’s said).

A profound change has come over America. Guts, gumption, and hard work don’t seem to pay off as they once did – or at least as they did in our national morality play. Instead, the game seems rigged in favor of people who are already rich and powerful – as well as their children.

Instead of lionizing the rich, we’re beginning to suspect they gained their wealth by ripping us off.

Mitt Romney is defensive about his vast wealth (reputed to total a quarter of a billion). He’s reverted to scolding his audiences on the campaign trail for “attacking people based on heir success.”

The old view was also that great wealth trickled downward – that the rich made investments in jobs and growth that benefitted all of us. So even if we doubted we’d be wealthy, we still gained from the fortunes made by a few.

But that view, too, has lost its sheen. Nothing has trickled down. The rich have become far richer over the last three decades but the rest of us haven’t. In fact, median incomes are dropping.

Wall Street moguls are doing better than ever – after having been bailed out by the rest of us. But the rest of us are doing worse. CEOs are hauling in more than 300 times the pay of average workers (up from 40 times the pay only three decades ago), as average workers lose jobs, wages, and benefits.

Instead of investing in jobs and growth, the super rich are putting their money into gold or Treasury bills, or investing it in Brazil or South Asia or anywhere else it can reap the highest return.

Meanwhile, it’s dawning on Americans that in the real economy (as opposed to the financial one) our spending is vital. And without enough jobs or wages, that spending is drying up.

The economy is in trouble because so much income and wealth have been going to the top that the rest us no longer have the purchasing power to buy the goods and services we would produce at or near full employment.

The jobs depression shows no sign of ending. Personal disposable income, adjusted for inflation, was down 1.7 percent in the third quarter of this year – the biggest drop since the third quarter of 2009. Housing prices have stalled, home sales are down.

The only reason consumer spending rose in September is because we drew from our meager savings – mostly in order to pay medical bills, health insurance, and utilities. That’s the third month of savings declines, according to the Commerce Department’s report last Friday.

This can’t and won’t continue. Savings are now down to 3.6 percent of personal disposable income, their lowest level since the recession began.

Americans know a rigged game when they see one. They understand how much money is flowing into politics from the super rich, big corporations, and Wall Street — in order to keep their taxes low and entrench their privileged position.

The Occupy movement is gaining ground because it’s hitting a responsive chord. What happens from here on depends on whether other Americans begin to march to the music — and organize.

Robert Reich, a professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley, was secretary of labor during the Clinton administration. He is also a blogger and the author of "Aftershock: The Next Economy and America's Future."More Robert Reich

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#51. To: tom007 (#0)

OWS has transformed public opinion For the first time since the Great Depression, the majority of Americans favor wealth redistribution By Robert Reich

Seems to me wealth redistribution is precisely what OWS is protesting. But I guess that will remain a point of debate among both sides.

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#55. To: Eric Stratton, Pinguinite, ambi (#53)

The bottom line is that there is no money.

The gravy train's been fun for most people, but now it's over.

The fundamental flaw in socialism is human nature. When you reward people for producing nothing that is what they will produce.

Having said that though we do need a temporary net because the productive capability of the nation has been so sabotaged that if the safety net programs abruptly end today then you would see millions starve and it would create social turmoil.

The dismantling of the socialist regime is going to have to be more gradual in order to rebuild the economy.

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#60. To: Eric Stratton, ambi (#57)

While I could cite counter examples I won't. I will say that I think you made the issue into a greater complexity than it need be. The principle is really quite simple:

What you reward you get more of.

Or stripping it of my prior attempt to be mellifluous:

When you reward non-production you get non-production.

I didn't invent the principle it is one of those things that just is. It has been observed in action and noted by any numbers of people. It is a recognized observation in economics - even though the Keynesians try to avoid it or ignore it.

Take Wall Street for example. What has been getting rewarded on Wall Street is fraud and theft, and as long as it was rewarded, or continues to be rewarded, the result will be more fraud and theft. This is both a moral and economic issue in that it degrades the culture overall by providing an example of criminality rewarded and it degrades the economy by instituting unsound principles of operation which produce no useful product. It is little different from socialism in its effect on the society overall. It amounts to the government saying "these are the approved ways of stealing a lot of money".

However, socialism is a little different in that purports to produce a public good - a safe and secure society. Now that is false and is provably so by the example of pointing out what has been observed in the real world in societies that have gone socialist. You wind up with a power elite running the socialist system and everyone else lives in an equality of misery as there is no reward for producing a valuable product beyond the spiritual reward of accomplishment, and in our current society, as you well know, barriers in law have been erected to make it difficult to succeed as a small entrepreneur. Socialist leaders do not like independent citizens - they get strange notions like that they ought to be free. Even worse they might agree with Thomas Jefferson, "We hold these truths to be self evident ...".

Now these are separate from the issues of personal responsibility and morality which you raise. On many levels I am in agreement that people who are irresponsible should be left to suffer the consequences of their irresponsibility. However, that begs the moral question which is faced by each of us as individuals: "To what degree are we willing to let others suffer without offering some measure of succor?"

Do we allow children to suffer the consequences of irresponsibility by the parents? Do we allow the elderly and infirm to starve in alleyways because we disapprove of their imprudent provision for the time beyond their prime working years? It is not as simple as saying "let them suffer the consequences" (or "let them eat cake") because most people are of kind disposition and are reluctant to watch others suffer when something can be done about it. That the solutions are sometimes onerous and unusual is an issue, but to some degree also beside the point, because the fundamental moral questions remain regardless.

As you recognize the issues are tricky ones since they cut to the heart of who we and what we are. What we as individuals are willing accept as regards the suffering of others.

Personally my solution would be the re-institution of the Poorhouse. I would not condemn anyone to the streets but neither should they be rewarded with featherbedding. A clean bed, a safe environment, and enough simple but nutritious food so that they do not suffer, and work requirements for those who are able to work.

Also solutions are situationally specific. It is well and good to posit an ideal scene, but how we get from the current scene to a closer approximation of that ideal is an important consideration both morally and tactically. In our current society the criminals have so snarled things that the greater population is increasingly unemployed for the simple fact that there are no jobs for them to go to, and for those that are available employers are in the catbird's seat and increasingly are demanding more and more stringent requirements to employ people for the few openings that exist. The older workers are NOT being hired and THAT is a FACT. One can bewail their indolence all one wishes but when there is no gainful employment available, and it is difficult for the impoverished to start a small business, made so by law, then that society is approaching collapse.

I for one do not wish to see hundreds of thousands to millions dying of starvation and neither do I wish to reward sloth with means of living bought at the expense of stealing from those who are responsible to support the irresponsible.

There are no longer easy answers. What I support in the short term as a necessity to prevent mass suffering and death does not mean I would support the same in more salubrious circumstances.

And while I support free market principles for the general economy I am not a blind follower of laissez-faire. Capitalism is not an unadulterated and absolute good. Absolutes are unobtainable in the real world. Capitalism and a "free market" only works in a moral and ethical society and that we do not have. Where criminals are given free reign it may be nice and trite to say "caveat emptor", but for it to have meaning a just society must provide a means of redress when someone is wronged and a means to shut down the malefactors. Thus that moral climate needs to be reestablished as a first requirement. That will not be done over night. Certainly not in the moral and ethical climate that currently exists where criminals are in control of the levers of power.

Much of the socialist-fascist structure could easily be removed without hardship and without great suffering, but the vested interests would cry like babies. So, we are currently at an impasse so long as the criminals are allowed to remain in charge. Yes in a truly free society it would be easier to independently make ones way but that requires also responsibility which as I am sure you have noted is in short supply.

Social Security is really, to me, a side issue, but as I have pointed out in the past there is an implicit contract which has been accepted by most and that monies from the labors of others have been extracted forcibly to support it. People grow old and have come to expect, and have been given every reason to regard that as a reasonable and responsible expectation, that it would be there when they came of age for it. It is in effect a contract, a moral commitment, that cannot and should not be broken.

And at arriving at a just and workable solution we must not allow the perfidy of some to impose sanctions on ALL. I realize you are disgusted by what you see in the District of Corruption, but that is not the entire society, and the desire to visit a just reward to all of the fleas, ticks, leeches, and ghouls should not be allowed to color what has to be a dispassionate but humane set of solutions.

Now I have to get to work too.

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