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Title: Four Senior Citizens Plotted Killing Spree At A Waffle House
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URL Source: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/11 ... ted-killing-spree-waffle-house
Published: Nov 3, 2011
Author: Adam Serwer
Post Date: 2011-11-03 08:54:52 by Ada
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Views: 662
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Four senior citizens walk into a Waffle House planning to go on a killing spree in order to "save the Constitution." That's not the beginning of a joke, it's the scenario outlined by the FBI in a criminal complaint filed against four Georgia men yesterday who allegedly sought to use the online novel of a frequent Fox News guest named Mike Vanderboegh as a model for a terrorist plot against US government officials. The four men, Samuel Crump, Frederick Roberts, Ray Adams, and Dan Roberts, who named themselves "the covert group" (subtle!) allegedly fantasized about dispersing the toxic agent ricin over Washington DC and Atlanta, and hoped to ultimately obtain botulinium toxin, which Adams believed could kill millions of people in small doses. "We need somebody to back us with some damn money so we can make that other shit," Crump said at a Waffle House in Toccoa, Georgia. according to the criminal complaint. Crump added that botulinium toxin was "worse than anthrax." What was the ostensible purpose of all this killing? Saving the country of course. "There is no way for us, as militiamen, to save this country, to save Georgia, without doing something that’s highly, highly illegal: murder,” Thomas reportedly said. “When it comes time to saving the Constitution, that means some people have got to die.” The FBI also alleges that "Thomas, Roberts and others discussed the need to obtain unregistered silencers and explosive devices for use in attacks against federal government buildings and employees, as well as against local police." So how much more operational was this plot than your average FBI sting involving some hapless al-Qaeda fanboy? That's not really clear. While the group demonstrated an ability to independently manufacture ricin, which is made from widely available castor beans, the criminal complaint begins with a meeting surveilled by an FBI "confidential human source" in March. While the FBI recordings showing the four men expressing an eagerness to kill large numbers of people in pursuit of their political goals will likely preclude any entrapment defense, there's no way to know from the criminal complaint what level of involvement the FBI's confidential human source had in putting together the whole plan, or even the existence of the group itself, or whether the source came upon the plot by other means. Bottom line: At first glance this appears to be the right-wing extremist version of the sort of al-Qaeda wannabe stings we've become so familiar with.
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#1. To: Ada (#0)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Don't they have anything better to do then make up ridiculous conspiracy diversions like this?
Thankfully a terror plot was, yet again, thwarted because they included FBI agents in their plans. These bad guys always do that. Either the FBI has agents behind every rock, or this is a remarkable and fortunate coincidence, it would seem.
Are you talking about the FBI or these retired guys?
This was an offshoot of a KKK meeting, nothing more.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#2. To: Eric Stratton (#1)
#3. To: Ada (#0)
#4. To: Ferret (#2)
Don't they have anything better to do then make up ridiculous conspiracy diversions like this?
#5. To: Ada (#0)
...there's no way to know from the criminal complaint what level of involvement the FBI's confidential human source had in putting together the whole plan, or even the existence of the group itself, or whether the source came upon the plot by other means.
-Alex Kurtagic
#6. To: Ferret (#2)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#7. To: Pinguinite (#4)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#8. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#7)
Isn't it common knowledge that all great war/revolution plans throughout history have been hatched at Waffle Houses?
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson
#9. To: Lod (#8)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#10. To: Lod (#8)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#11. To: Ada (#0)
This is sad. RimJob just lost four more monthly contributors.
#12. To: Ada (#0)
the group demonstrated an ability to independently manufacture ricin, which is made from widely available castor beans We need to install TSA agents in all Waffle Houses PRONTO!! You never know what these senior citizens could smuggle in their Depends!! Ban those castor beans too....right away!! WTH are castor beans anyway? Four senior citizens walk into a Waffle House
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#13. To: JRiggs (#11)
LOL!! RimJob just lost four more monthly contributors.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#14. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)
Without knowing a bloody thing about this case, I've seen enough of government trumped up cases against white 'terrorists'. I'll eventually get around to reading their "evidence" but I can smell the BS already.
#15. To: Pinguinite (#4) (Edited)
The F.B.I. Do you think I have been a forest activist as long as I have without getting a personal grudge against this sort of Cointelpro-like crap?
#16. To: Eric Stratton (#7)
Well, I thought it was still a good comparison to draw. Geez, I hope (and assumed) he was talking about the Federal Bureau of Instigator guys.
#17. To: Pinguinite (#16)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#18. To: Eric Stratton (#17)
The idea of a bunch of retired guys dreaming up something, and the FBI doing the same.
#19. To: Pinguinite (#18)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#20. To: Ferret, Eric Stratton (#2) (Edited)
No. They are trying to justify all of the Fascist anti-constutional Police State actions and policies and since there is a distinct shortage of real terrorists they have to manufacture them for the ongoing PsyOps. They are no doubt being ordered to do these kind of manufacture "scary scary terrusts'" "stings" from "on high" in order to provide a fig leaf of justification for the draconian actions being taken against a formerly free people. Obusha has decreed it and he was told to decree it by his masters in London. Don't they have anything better to do then make up ridiculous conspiracy diversions like this?
#21. To: Ada (#0)
I guess they didn't know the Jews are the ones to go to for money to make that other shit. "We need somebody to back us with some damn money so we can make that other shit,"
God is always good!
#22. To: JRiggs (#11)
Knock it off! This is sad. RimJob just lost four more monthly contributors.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
#23. To: Original_Intent (#20)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
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