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Title: Biggest jump ever seen in global warming gases
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Published: Nov 6, 2011
Author: SETH BORENSTEIN, AP
Post Date: 2011-11-06 11:47:57 by farmfriend
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By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP WASHINGTON — The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide jumped by the biggest amount on record, the U.S. Department of Energy calculated, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming. The new figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago. "The more we talk about the need to control emissions, the more they are growing," said John Reilly, co-director of MIT's Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change. The world pumped about 564 million more tons (512 million metric tons) of carbon into the air in 2010 than it did in 2009. That's an increase of 6 percent. That amount of extra pollution eclipses the individual emissions of all but three countries — China, the United States and India, the world's top producers of greenhouse gases. It is a "monster" increase that is unheard of, said Gregg Marland, a professor of geology at Appalachian State University, who has helped calculate Department of Energy figures in the past. Extra pollution in China and the U.S. account for more than half the increase in emissions last year, Marland said. "It's a big jump," said Tom Boden, director of the Energy Department's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center at Oak Ridge National Lab. "From an emissions standpoint, the global financial crisis seems to be over." Boden said that in 2010 people were traveling, and manufacturing was back up worldwide, spurring the use of fossil fuels, the chief contributor of man-made climate change. India and China are huge users of coal. Burning coal is the biggest carbon source worldwide and emissions from that jumped nearly 8 percent in 2010. "The good news is that these economies are growing rapidly so everyone ought to be for that, right?" Reilly said Thursday. "Broader economic improvements in poor countries has been bringing living improvements to people. Doing it with increasing reliance on coal is imperiling the world." In 2007, when the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued its last large report on global warming, it used different scenarios for carbon dioxide pollution and said the rate of warming would be based on the rate of pollution. Boden said the latest figures put global emissions higher than the worst case projections from the climate panel. Those forecast global temperatures rising between 4 and 11 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century with the best estimate at 7.5 degrees. Even though global warming skeptics have attacked the climate change panel as being too alarmist, scientists have generally found their predictions too conservative, Reilly said. He said his university worked on emissions scenarios, their likelihood, and what would happen. The IPCC's worst case scenario was only about in the middle of what MIT calculated are likely scenarios. Chris Field of Stanford University, head of one of the IPCC's working groups, said the panel's emissions scenarios are intended to be more accurate in the long term and are less so in earlier years. He said the question now among scientists is whether the future is the panel's worst case scenario "or something more extreme." "Really dismaying," Granger Morgan, head of the engineering and public policy department at Carnegie Mellon University, said of the new figures. "We are building up a horrible legacy for our children and grandchildren." But Reilly and University of Victoria climate scientist Andrew Weaver found something good in recent emissions figures. The developed countries that ratified the 1997 Kyoto Protocol greenhouse gas limiting treaty have reduced their emissions overall since then and have achieved their goals of cutting emissions to about 8 percent below 1990 levels. The U.S. did not ratify the agreement. In 1990, developed countries produced about 60 percent of the world's greenhouse gases, now it's probably less than 50 percent, Reilly said. "We really need to get the developing world because if we don't, the problem is going to be running away from us," Weaver said. "And the problem is pretty close from running away from us." Biggest jump ever seen in global warming gases
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#1. To: farmfriend (#0)
Just as a side note global temperatures are declining, Britain is expecting another hellishly cold winter, Australia just experienced a record COLD summer, and the American East Coast was blanketed in October Snow. Well I for one have not forgotten how these tools got their emails hacked and their lies exposed. www.philipcoppens.com/climategate.html Maybe the emissions they are detecting come from their own mouths since these climatologists are paid to make outrageous bullshit claims...and we all know how much methane is in bullshit. given the declining temps, I would have expected CO2 to go down. The cooling oceans won't out gas as much and they still remain the main source of emissions. I did notice that they claim the US is a prime source still. We have nothing on china and we have reduced our increase (that's a cut right? LOL) much more than countries that signed onto Kyoto. Sometimes the ship tacks right, sometimes it tacks left but it is always sailing in the same direction. Voting lesser of two evils is asking for the ship to tack again. It doesn't change the direction. - farmfriend
Total bulls^^^/ We have seven billion humans and billions of animals living on this planet that all exhale Co2. The oceans are the biggest converter of Co2 into oxygen. Go plant a tree and breath easier. Why are you paying attention to this claptrap?
Just hush up now, you will make Big Al sad! And I know you don't want that. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I wonder why so many on here pay attention to this kind of claptrap. I doubt you will get an answer to your question. Some just don't think.
You could do a poll if you like and ask how many people who post on here believe there is any validity to the claims of the alleged climatologists who have been caught making less than truthful statements about so-called "global warming." I doubt there are as many as three people who post here who believe there is anything to it. Now if you ask about "climate change" that's a no brainer. Of course there is climate change and there always has been. But global warming as a result of anything man has done? Not very likely.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
We've been so dumbed-down that we don't even know basic science/chemistry/physics truths. We've become a nation of meat-heads. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson We've had a lot of volcanic activity the last few years.
Sometimes the ship tacks right, sometimes it tacks left but it is always sailing in the same direction. Voting lesser of two evils is asking for the ship to tack again. It doesn't change the direction. - farmfriend
As far as I know there are only 2 people who still support Glowbull Warming as valid. Well, there's ol' diehard Al (but he doesn't post here, at least so far as I know). Who's the other one?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I planted 16 on my property here in Ft. Wayne this spring. Indiana, Michigan and Ohio should be CO2-free by next year. I think meat-head would be a step up, my man. where are your farms?
eaten by development Sometimes the ship tacks right, sometimes it tacks left but it is always sailing in the same direction. Voting lesser of two evils is asking for the ship to tack again. It doesn't change the direction. - farmfriend
good thing you got out while the getin' was good. some of that land has been farmed by the same families for generations... seems to be going, now, for five on ten thousand an acre... wouldnt be so good for land prices if sea level starts rising, would it?
well the problem with agriculture in urban areas like Sac is you lose your ag infrastructure. It gets harder and hard to farm and more and more profitable to sell for development. you have to buy off the politicians so that your land can be developed rather than being set aside for "open space" or "habitat".
Sometimes the ship tacks right, sometimes it tacks left but it is always sailing in the same direction. Voting lesser of two evils is asking for the ship to tack again. It doesn't change the direction. - farmfriend
there's a couple problems with agriculture on land that's below sea level... first of all, we dont know how much sea level's gonna rise... second of all, we dont know if the economy will survive peak oil well enough to build higher dikes. so there are very sound economic reasons for some people to deny global warming and peak oil, arent there...? ...especially if you've got a few million dollars' worth of land below sea level, and have put generations of blood, sweat and tears into that land.
sacramento is not below sea level. the need for levies is because of the hydrolic mining during the gold rush.
Sometimes the ship tacks right, sometimes it tacks left but it is always sailing in the same direction. Voting lesser of two evils is asking for the ship to tack again. It doesn't change the direction. - farmfriend
that's right (see map, above), but a lot of that extremely productive farmland in the delta is below sea level. if you wanted to keep the price of that land from collapsing, you'd deny global warming and peak oil, wouldnt you?
i was stuck in lodi for a summer, spraying crops in the delta. god was punishing me for something or other.
the asshole i was working for flew too close the barn, stampeded hundreds of thousands' worth of quarter horses through a couple barbwire fences, and didnt even stop to tell the owner which direction the horses went.
this has got me to thinking about sleaze... that outfit in lodi was probably the sleaziest i've ever worked for... on a small scale... that was before it became obvious that the rot was everywhere. but i've worked for evergreen... that's global sleaze, and i've watched evergreen and del smith progress from a sleazy little low-rent helicopter outfit to global sleaziness. you got to wonder about the progression of sleaze... does it work from the bottom up until everything gets so sleazy that sleaze starts working from the top down? ...or does little sleaziness always take its cue from bigger sleaziness? is there a turning point in american history when you had to become sleazy to survive?
bragging rights... that's all it was... my mother could brag about my scholarship to a little baptist college that was famous, mostly, for its snobishness... $150 a semster scholarship... unfuckingbelievable... the scholarship was based on SAT scores, since my GPA in high school was padded by straight As in PE beause i was in danger of flunking out of the honor society... which would have been a real catastrophe, seeing as how i was president of the honor society. sleaze mcminnville, oregon... lodi north... i was starting college as del smith was getting his helicopter company cranked up on the outskirts of mcminnville. now, after evergreen is heavily implicated in toruture rendition flights, del smith is honored by linfield. sleaze
the upshot being... since we are a culture of sleaze, it's no wonder people with sleazy motives will deny reality. reality will catch up with them sooner or later, but, in the meantime, they've protected their investments as best they could.
No, it is below river level not sea level. Sometimes the ship tacks right, sometimes it tacks left but it is always sailing in the same direction. Voting lesser of two evils is asking for the ship to tack again. It doesn't change the direction. - farmfriend
you're saying the map is wong? the problem seems to me that i could see ships passing, when i was on the ground in the delta, but i could only see their superstructure... the dikes hid the rest of the ship. you could maybe post the elevation of the sacramento river from sacramento to san fanacisco, if you wanted to. we know why you dont want to.
um...well...I didn't look at the map. LOL Sometimes the ship tacks right, sometimes it tacks left but it is always sailing in the same direction. Voting lesser of two evils is asking for the ship to tack again. It doesn't change the direction. - farmfriend
you should probably look at the map, and refute my arguments. otherwise, i might think you have sleazy real estate reasons for denying global warming.
it's not really that hard to understand, is it? if yoy want to bail out of a real estate holding because it's threatened, you're gonna deny that it's threatened.
i'm gonna sign out now.... but i do that to lure people into responding when they think i've gone away. sometimes i havent gone away at all... i'm just trying to lure someone into responding.
once you understand the sleaze reasons to deny global warming and peak oil....
as if being an ag lobbyist isn't enough. go find a shoe. Sometimes the ship tacks right, sometimes it tacks left but it is always sailing in the same direction. Voting lesser of two evils is asking for the ship to tack again. It doesn't change the direction. - farmfriend
The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide jumped by the biggest amount on record, the U.S. Department of Energy calculated, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming.
The sky is warming! The sky is warming! Awk! Awk! Polly wants a cracker!
#2. To: farmfriend (#0)
I support the occupation
#3. To: titorite, Original_Intent (#2)
#4. To: farmfriend (#0)
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The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide jumped by the biggest amount on record, the U.S. Department of Energy calculated, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming.
#5. To: Original_Intent (#1)
Just as a side note global temperatures are declining, Britain is expecting another hellishly cold winter, Australia just experienced a record COLD summer, and the American East Coast was blanketed in October Snow.
#6. To: john stadtmiller (#4)
Total bulls^^^/ We have seven billion humans and billions of animals living on this planet that all exhale Co2. The oceans are the biggest converter of Co2 into oxygen. Go plant a tree and breath easier. Why are you paying attention to this claptrap?
#7. To: ambi (#6)
#8. To: john stadtmiller, 4 (#4)
#9. To: john stadtmiller (#4)
#10. To: James Deffenbach, ambi (#7)
You could do a poll if you like and ask how many people who post on here believe there is any validity to the claims of the alleged climatologists who have been caught making less than truthful statements about so-called "global warming."
#11. To: Original_Intent (#10)
#12. To: john stadtmiller (#4)
Go plant a tree and breath easier.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)
#13. To: Lod (#8)
We've become a nation of meat-heads.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)
#14. To: farmfriend (#0)
#15. To: lead.and.lag (#14)
where are your farms?
#16. To: farmfriend (#15)
eaten by development
#17. To: lead.and.lag (#16)
#18. To: farmfriend (#17)
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#19. To: lead.and.lag (#18)
#20. To: farmfriend (#19)
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sacramento is not below sea level
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#26. To: lead.and.lag (#20)
that's right (see map, above), but a lot of that extremely productive farmland in the delta is below sea level.
#27. To: farmfriend (#26)
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it is below river level not sea level
#28. To: lead.and.lag (#27)
you're saying the map is wong?
#29. To: farmfriend (#28)
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#32. To: All (#31)
#33. To: lead.and.lag (#29)
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otherwise, i might think you have sleazy real estate reasons for denying global warming.
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