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Title: Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find
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URL Source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090910084259.htm
Published: Nov 10, 2011
Author: VetenskapsrĂĄdet (The Swedish Research Co
Post Date: 2011-11-10 19:45:46 by Original_Intent
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Keywords: abiotic, oil, kooks, dead dinosaurs
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ScienceDaily (Sep. 10, 2009) — Researchers at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm have managed to prove that fossils from animals and plants are not necessary for crude oil and natural gas to be generated. The findings are revolutionary since this means, on the one hand, that it will be much easier to find these sources of energy and, on the other hand, that they can be found all over the globe. “Using our research we can even say where oil could be found in Sweden,” says Vladimir Kutcherov, a professor at the Division of Energy Technology at KTH. Together with two research colleagues, Vladimir Kutcherov has simulated the process involving pressure and heat that occurs naturally in the inner layers of the earth, the process that generates hydrocarbon, the primary component in oil and natural gas. According to Vladimir Kutcherov, the findings are a clear indication that the oil supply is not about to end, which researchers and experts in the field have long feared. He adds that there is no way that fossil oil, with the help of gravity or other forces, could have seeped down to a depth of 10.5 kilometers in the state of Texas, for example, which is rich in oil deposits. As Vladimir Kutcherov sees it, this is further proof, alongside his own research findings, of the genesis of these energy sources – that they can be created in other ways than via fossils. This has long been a matter of lively discussion among scientists. “There is no doubt that our research proves that crude oil and natural gas are generated without the involvement of fossils. All types of bedrock can serve as reservoirs of oil,” says Vladimir Kutcherov, who adds that this is true of land areas that have not yet been prospected for these energy sources. But the discovery has more benefits. The degree of accuracy in finding oil is enhanced dramatically – from 20 to 70 percent. Since drilling for oil and natural gas is a very expensive process, the cost picture will be radically altered for petroleum companies, and in the end probably for consumers as well. “The savings will be in the many billions,” says Vladimir Kutcherov. To identify where it is worthwhile to drill for natural gas and oil, Vladimir Kutcherov has used his research to arrive at a new method. It involves dividing the globe into a finely meshed grid. The grid corresponds to fissures, so-called ‘migration channels,’ through underlying layers under the surface of the earth. Wherever these fissures meet, it is suitable to drill. According to Vladimir Kutcherov, these research findings are extremely important, not least as 61 percent of the world’s energy consumption derives from crude oil and natural gas. The next step in this research work will involve more experiments, but above all refining the method will make it easier to find places where it is suitable to drill for oil and natural gas. Vladimir Kutcherov, Anton Kolesnikov, and Alexander Goncharov’s research work was recently published in the scientific journal Nature Geoscience. Poster Comment: Well, golly gee Sgt. Carter I guess all those "kooks" who have been talking about abiotic oil for the last couple of decades weren't "kooks" after all.
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#1. To: farmfriend (#0)
Gosh I wonder what the "Peek Oilers" are going to do now - play Ostrich?
peak oil never made sense to me. We find hydrocarbons on every planet. that says abiotic to me. Sometimes the ship tacks right, sometimes it tacks left but it is always sailing in the same direction. Voting lesser of two evils is asking for the ship to tack again. It doesn't change the direction. - farmfriend
"They" fool US with words that initially lead US to the conclusion they want US to have. Fossel Fuels
peak profits demand the farce of peak oil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdSjyvIHVLw Col Fletcher Prouty Explains how oil came to be classified a "fossil fuel" Prouty (1917 - 2001)
and CO2 catastrophe. Sometimes the ship tacks right, sometimes it tacks left but it is always sailing in the same direction. Voting lesser of two evils is asking for the ship to tack again. It doesn't change the direction. - farmfriend
the ace in the hole,when it comes to obscuring the fact that global oil production peaked in late 2004, is war with iran that will close hormuz. "peak oil?!? ...what peak oil?!? ...it's those lousy iranians' fault that we'reshort of oil, because they closed hormuz!" why do we need to obscure the fact that oil production peaked? ...because peak oil was the immediate reason that the AEI/PNAC neocons wanted a new pearl harbor... and the main reason their new pearl harbor happened soon after they were installed in high government positions. so, to avoid any unpleasant dot-connecting, we gots to obscure the fact that oil production peaked.
meanwhile, after it becomes painfully obvious that obama gets his marching orders, daily, from bibi, dennis ross leaves his post as obama's special envoy to the middle east, after doing everything in his power to screw up the palestinian peace process and stir up war with iran. why did ross leave? ...because he's no longer needed as the middleman between netanyahu and obama --seeing as how obama now gets his orders straight from the horse's mouth... and besides that, ross would just as soon be out of the line of fire once world war III starts.
so, regarding war with iran, the israelis gotta shit or get off the pot... do we bomb iran, or not? poor dumb israelis apparently havent made up their minds yet... but as the situation worsens, we can expect them to "do something, even if it's wrong", up to and including samson option suicide which has somehow morphed into a global samson option... ...because a world without israel is not worth living in, israel is fatally dependent on US protection, and the US is fatally dependent on cheap oil.
i imagine that zionists like ross are worried --maybe paranoid... they've been raised on tales of heroic nazi-hunters, avenging the jewish people's mistreatment by hitler... ...so, in their boundless paranoia, zionists are probably worried about bands of vengeful neocon hunters roaming the earth in search of the assholes that dragged us into this mess, and lied so long and so convincingly that we had no chance to prepare for peak oil.
and CO2 catastrophe. Exactly. The two are interrelated in that both are profit mechanisms and control mechanisms. Keeping the price of energy high ensures that less will be used - so the anthropogenic CO2 end of the world TAX becomes justified to reduce oil usage in order to conserve, so we don't run out, and to protect the planet from the hyped up non-danger of Glowbull Warming. It's a double whammy. It also reduces the mobility of the population while extracting more of their earnings forcing people to work longer hours to survive. So, you keep them too tired and too busy to think of revolt against the tyranny. when china buys oil from saudi arabia or iran or angola, how much "anthropogenic CO2 end of the world TAX" do they pay, and who do they pay it to?
why are the energy companies and consumers getting billions in subsidies every year? "The estimated price tag is even bigger for emerging countries: A group of 37 mostly developing countries studied by the IEA spent $409 billion in 2010 on fossil-fuel-consumption subsidies, according to IEA data." OECD, IEA Urge Cuts to Fuel Subsidies . wall street journal
Wanna bet that "consumers" will get any break? Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I'm afraid I don't take sucker bets. ;-) Now, about this beautiful Dodge. It was only driven by a little old lady from Pasadena to church on Sundays - when she felt up to it. I have parked right here next to the Glowbull Warming Special - which runs on cooked climate data and pink oil. Such a deal! However, the Peak Oilers who are busy selling the manufactured for them PsyOp line will keep at it. After all in this economy a job's a job.
However, the Peak Oilers who are busy selling the manufactured for them PsyOp line will keep at it. After all in this economy a job's a job. LOL! "Is rickig" (or ever how Baron von Raschke used to say that's right). Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
here's how it works... if the price of oil gets out of hand, the big money boys crash the economy to crash demand for oil... well, that will work for a while, until the economy crashes on its own hook from oil shortages... in the meantime, we can badmouth the euro, which causes the value of the dollar to rise, which causes the dollar price of oil to fall. meanwhile, as the big old oilfields are depleting, our PNAC project continues... and the silver bullet for denying peak oil is starting a war with iran, closing hormuz, and blaming iranians for the oil shortages... ...but also meanwhile, the threat of war with iran causes the price of oil to climb... so we can badmouth the euro in hopes that the dollar will rise in value enough to make up for rising oil prices caused by threats to iran and stagnation of production. there will come a point in time when no amount of manipulation and bullshit will disguise the fact that (a) oil is a finite substance, (b) oil production has peaked, (c) we've used up the first easy trillion barrels, (d) the next trillion are gonna be much more expensive to get out of the ground, and (e) we may not be able to afford to get it out of the ground. all of this is the reason the neocons intend to establish global hegemony by grabbing control of oil... this is their last chance to achieve their tikkun olam before oil shortages cripple their military... all of this is the reason the neocons wanted a new pearl harbor to kickstart their project. all of this is the reason their new peal harbor happened soon after they were installed into positions high enough to make it ghappen. and all of that is the reason peak oil must be denied.
poor ol' dick cheney, one of the mainstay figureheads for the neocon establishment, had the misfortune, in 1999, of acknowledging peak oil... then perle, kristol, wolfowitz, libby, and the rest of the neocons sold cheney on the PNAC project, and cheney shut up about peak oil. so here we are... being shoved into another war by shitheads that most likely dont give a fig about israel other than its usefulness as cover for their wars... shitheads that obvously dont give a fig about the US, other than its role as a carcass to be stripped before it decays and falls completely to pieces. so the big question is: how many of these guys are looters, and how many of them are true believers? is the israel lobby and zionist media powerful enough to rein in the looters, or are they, too, in on the gag?
Nice mixture of fact and fiction. Did you write it yourself? Yes, oil prices are manipulated. This is done in variety of ways and it is justified by varied means such as planting false data with a patina of pseudo-science to sell it. Take for example "Peak Oil". It provides a wonderful means of creating the illusion that oil is a scarce commodity and growing scarcer. So, of course in order to maintain the illusion any data, no matter how well researched or documented, must be attacked as it is bad for profits. Also oil is a control point. By keeping people dependent on it the flow of profits is maintained and the threat of cut-off is a check on mobility and individual independence of our "Lords and Masters". Also maintaining a high price also limits access since the average individual can only afford to spend so much and so when gas prices are held high it acts as a hidden control on freedom of movement. That is why alternatives are so violently suppressed. Only alternatives that cost more are allowed e.g., Solar and Wind. As well competitors products must be suppressed and restricted. Thus coal fired plants, even with scrubbers, are coming under increasing restriction because they compete with oil and gas at lower cost. Not only that coal is very abundant, but interestingly not as abundant as oil. So, the supply of oil must also be controlled and limited in order to maximize profits - that is the way a monopoly works. The price is maximized at the level that provides the greatest income stream - which may not be the maximum price, but it provides the maximum profit by balancing output versus demand. This is what we studied in economics in understanding how businesses operate to maximize profits. So, of course any information creeping out, particularly well researched studies, that show that oil is NOT scarce, and that there is plentiful supplies waiting to be tapped MUST be attacked. You just can't allow those uppity serfs the opportunity to escape the trap. why has world oil production been flat since late 2004, despite drilling in two miles of water and miles of rock under that? why has world oil production been flat since late 2004 despite the fact that we're using all these "new" and expensive procedures like fracking? why is the price of oil five times what it was in 2001, before the peak in production? why are the neocons' wars concentrated on areas that produce oil, or could be used as pipeline routes to our greatest rival for oil, china? why is the north polar ice melting?
please tell us why commercial quantities of oil are NOT found outside sedimentary basins. please tell us: how fast does abiotic oil accumulate? ...does accumulation of abiotic oil keep up with extraction? please tell us how many millions of barrels of abiotic oil a day your swedish chemist is producing in his lab.
Why is the sky falling? The answers to all can be summed up in one word: C-O-N-T-R-O-L. Spending a billion or two to maintain the illusion of scarcity is chump change compared to a Trillion or Two in profits. By controlling the known supplies they can be kept throttled and off market thus creating an illusion of scarcity thus creating both a control mechanism and profit mechanism. in other words, you cant answer any questions that cast doubt on the abiotic oil theory, and you refuse to acknowledge the logic and facts that point to peak oil as the immediate motive for the neocons to stage their new pearl harbor on 9/11.
the AEI and exxon are some of the most prominent deniers of peak oil and global warming... please acknowledge the fact that, if anyone had an accurate estimate of the timing of peak oil, it would have been exxon. please explain why exxon is allied with the AEI, and please explain why poohba hs at the AEI spun off their PNAC project, which admitted it needed a new pearl harbor to get its project started.
Oh, and your questions are supremely irrelevant. You have not provided one tiny scrap of actual evidence, but have instead throughout the thread engaged in diversions and other disinformation tactics. Disinformation however arranged is still disinformation. You are not refuting anything you are merely trying to cloud the issue with endless pointless questions aimed at trying to discredit the DOCUMENTED RESEARCH without actually doing so. Have a nice day. Play Again? please explain why the neocons that infest the AEI and PNAC are allied with the likud party of israel.
Why would you need an explanation when the reason is so evident, especially given the players and their history.
Why would you need an explanation when the reason is so evident, especially given the players and their history. Because it is a great way to try and divert the thread onto a more manageable topic. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues. why has world oil production been flat since late 2004, despite drilling in two miles of water and miles of rock under that? Law of supply and demand. Keeping the production low, while the demand is high, ensures enourmous profits. why has world oil production been flat since late 2004 despite the fact that we're using all these "new" and expensive procedures like fracking? Greed. why is the price of oil five times what it was in 2001, before the peak in production? Greed why are the neocons' wars concentrated on areas that produce oil, or could be used as pipeline routes to our greatest rival for oil, china? Greed why is the north polar ice melting? Global warming caused by increased solar energy output, and/or human intervention, deliberate or otherwise. Damn, OI. I didn't realize so many juveniles played here. On the other hand, nothing should surprise me after having watched the damned libs destroy others to get what they want ... with no regard for the truth.
Oh, there are, at any given time, shills and disinfo people on virtually every forum on the web. Our would be masters and mistresses are fearful, constantly, that the proles are going to revolt and introduce them to the French National Barber Monsieur Le Guillotine. hehehehe I won't stop the introduction!
it's just too damn bad that the facts and logic are on the peak oilers' side... all you got to do is take ol' doc aumann's advice: you can tell what people know by how they act... and the slimeballs running things are behaving as if they believed oil production has peaked. the neocons and exxon are acting like peak oil has arrived, and they're attempting to block chinese access to energy because cheap energy is getting scarce. then you couple that with their need for a new pearl harbor, then the arrival of their new pearl harbor, and the shredding of the constitution, the militarization of the police, the constant drumbeat to start more wars, and the looting... it all points to one thing: the US is not gonna survive, even as a pseudo- democracy, for long... mostly because of energy scarcity and looters... the looters are looting because they see the peak oil handwriting on the wall, they know what peak oil means for america, and america is the fattest hog ever to show up at the slaughterhouse. the problem for you deniers is this: if you're not high enough on the totem pole too get in on the looting, you're shit out of luck, right along with the rest of us... and maybe worst of all, time is on the peak oilers' side... and sooner or later, despite the deniers' efforts, it's gonna all bnecome evident. it's not that hard to figure out: israel must be secured before the US collpses from energy shortages and looters. people will figure it out.
The problem of course is the entire showy PR piece you list is based on a FALSE PREMISE, i.e., the nonexistent Peak Oil. You provide no proof that Peak Oil is true but instead attempt to assert that the existence of something else that is totally disrelated proves that it is somehow valid because something else exists. Further the argument is circular in that it uses itself to prove itself i.e., "P is true therefore P is true". Despite the cute graphics it looks nice and proves NOTHING. global production of crude oil and lease condensate --that's the stuff that comes out of the ground at the well site, not including pappy's corn squeezin's, refinery gain, natural gas liquids or any of the other stuff the reporting agencies use to pad their "total liquids" figures-- has been flat since late 2004, despite a momentary seven-fold increase in the price of oil. that seven-fold increase triggered the collapse of the housing bubble, which GM's ditech subsidiary had blown up starting in the late 90s, with wall-to-wall 24/7 ads on every TV outlet in america... it remains to be seen if the housing bubble was deliberately pumped up in anticipation of peak oil and the price of oil skyrocketing... but it's odd that professional money people would sell houses to people who couldnt afford them. it's odd, too, that goldman sachs packaged those loans and peddled them worldwide, so the global bubble was sitting there, just waiting for a pinprick, which arrived as the price of oil approached $150 a barrel. so the global economy crashed and the price of oil crashed as planned, but now, even WTI, the index most quoted even though it's lately been $20 or $25 per barrel lower than the rest of the world's oil (anther effort to obscure peak oil?) ...anyhow, the WTI index is, as of this posting, over $98 a barrel... this despite hysterical coverage of the euro's difficulties, which increases the value of the dollar and decreases the dollar price of oil. so the "pop the housing bubble to crash the economy to crash the oil price" ploy didnt last very long, did it? ...and the "badmouth the euro to pump up the dollar" ploy isnt doing so pretty good, either. so we can expect some radical commotion or other to further ebscure the fact that oil production peaked, because peak oil was the reason the israelis and their neocon allies staged their new pearl harbor on 9/11. so peak oil must be denied at all costs.
count the # of Big Lies..in your lifetime..on one hand. i bet you can't. good seeing you btw. un amigo diamante. I bet I can't either - not even if you let me use my toes. And good to see you as well.
#2. To: Original_Intent (#1)
Gosh I wonder what the "Peek Oilers" are going to do now - play Ostrich?
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#4. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent (#2)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
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#6. To: IRTorqued, Original_Intent (#4)
peak profits demand the farce of peak oil.
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#11. To: farmfriend, IRTorqued (#6)
peak profits demand the farce of peak oil.
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Keeping the price of energy high ensures that less will be used - so the anthropogenic CO2 end of the world TAX becomes justified
"A group of 24 industrialized countries now spends $45 billion to $75 billion annually on more than 250 support measures to producers and consumers, according to a report released Tuesday by the OECD.
#14. To: Original_Intent (#0)
But the discovery has more benefits. The degree of accuracy in finding oil is enhanced dramatically – from 20 to 70 percent. Since drilling for oil and natural gas is a very expensive process, the cost picture will be radically altered for petroleum companies, and in the end probably for consumers as well.
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)
Wanna bet that "consumers" will get any break?
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#17. To: Original_Intent (#15)
Now, about this beautiful Dodge. It was only driven by a little old lady from Pasadena to church on Sundays - when she felt up to it. I have parked right here next to the Glowbull Warming Special - which runs on cooked climate data and pink oil. Such a deal!
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On American Citizens
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If it walks like a Duck
And quacks like a Duck
I call it
A Duck
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#29. To: lead.and.lag, Original_Intent (#28)
... explain why the neocons that infest the AEI and PNAC are allied with the likud party of israel.
#30. To: Phant2000 (#29)
... explain why the neocons that infest the AEI and PNAC are allied with the likud party of israel.
#31. To: lead.and.lag (#21)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#32. To: Original_Intent (#30)
Because it is a great way to try and divert the thread onto a more manageable topic.
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#34. To: Original_Intent (#33)
... introduce them to the French National Barber Monsieur Le Guillotine.
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bigger map
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#39. To: Rotara (#38)
count the # of Big Lies..in your lifetime..on one hand. i bet you can't.
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