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Title: 9/11 Vans: 'Splain This!
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkhMwID-IYQ
Published: Nov 13, 2011
Author: corvusblog
Post Date: 2011-11-16 17:00:00 by GreyLmist
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Keywords: 9/11, Vans, 9/11 Fund-Gate, Censorship
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Poster Comment: There are currently 138 comments on this video uploaded by corvusblog, which was directly linked to YouTube at Rense.com and also referenced along with the YT site-path in this article by Jim Kirwan: The Story That Was Never Told! There are currently 4 comments, one of them mine, that have been hidden/censored by being flagged as spam. Evidently, none of those comments have been spam-flagged off the board due to any net-negative ratings up vs. down. There is no thumbs-up or thumbs-down icon to indicate that those comments were ever rated at all. Two of the posts are informational, one is satirically joking, and only one could be considered on the rude-side. Even if they had been hidden from view by downrates, there would still be no logical reason apparent for those comments in particular to be hidden by the poster of the video, readers, hackers, or whoever, as unpermissable in comparison to other posts discussing the subject. Am copying as FYI the comments that have been strangely blocked from view by censorship-agenda(s) of some behind-the-scenes sort, I reckon, and can't be seen at the YT site except by clicking the "show" link next to the "flagged as spam" message for the post. Will probably ask the video poster for an explanation, repost the comment there with a request to unblock the original, and post updates on the situation in this thread. This has been flagged as spam hide This has been flagged as spam hide Coincidence- 'comon they always have explosives and extra Arab clothes everywhere they go. Don't you?? Now that I think about it, I don't,,, Occupy the US (in) justice dept. This has been flagged as spam hide Follow the 9/11 Fund money trail. Re: the Israelis' detainment, CNSNews was reporting extensively at the time on the mishandling of those charity funds by the United Way and the Red Cross. An example reported on misuse of the funds (donated for 9/11 victims and their families) had to do with providing for the legal expenses of detained terror suspects.This has been flagged as spam hide
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@corvusblog jews did 911. only an idiot would think otherwise.
CodenameOnyx 1 day ago
@corvusblog Nice try but there is no between 6th and 7th on King Street. Check Google Maps of Manhattan. BTW, all caps is a dead give away.
Amhlair 1 day ago
@corvusblog "Do you realize this happened on 9/11? Do you realize Israelis were arrested driving what CBS, ABC and NBC reported as, "...a truck full of explosives." Do you get it? Or do you think it was a "coincidence?""
SlackerSlayer 3 hours ago
@triathlete007: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
GreyLmist 1 day ago
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The "dancing Israelis" is a dead give away that they were involved. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Of course, the supra-gov did this hit. Don't click link - it goes nowhere. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Thanks - I'm embarrassed to admit that this is the 1st I've been aware that the moving van had a mural of 9-11 painted on it !
"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
Same here. This could have been 'shopped. The van that I saw originally was solid white. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Seems we "desert stormed" the wrong stretch of dirt, no??
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Why would they advertise they did it by painting it on the side of their van? Very strange. I think they didn't do it, but Israel and elements within our government did. Their purpose was not to just document the event, but be seen and divert attention away from those that really did it. But why? Why would Israel in any way want people to think they did it? My bet is that these guys were patsies for the ones who really did it and were set up take the fall and be called rogue agents if they were charged with blowing the towers up. However since they were released without being charged they don't have to worry about their fall back plan in case their plan A of blaming the Muslims didn't work out. Then again, maybe they realize their control over our media and government is so great that they can publicly do this in plain sight and get away with it. God is always good!
"Audacity, always Audacity" i wrongly ass-u-me-d everyone at 4 knew this. among the 101 good reasons the official fairytale is total bunk.. Update: Without having to contact the video uploader, my post has been uncensored. The other posts flagged as spam are still hidden but contain a note at the top now saying "Not Spam". Another post was flagged and hidden as spam, a post by the video uploader, which also contains a note at the top saying "Not Spam" but is still hidden. Research on the topic of the 9/11 mural van(s) shows that the first mention of such was in the February 2006 Norman Y. Mineta International Institute for Surface Transportation Policy Studies (MTI) report entitled: “Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9- 11 Terrorist Attacks”. The report states: Other research links, some with pics of said van(s), maps, videos: www.viewzone.com/whitevan.html www.abovetopsecret.c om/forum/thread280053/pg1 http://letsrollforums.com/amazing-mural-van-photo-t19016.html? s=bf39c838366ae1a860752c9cdafda455& Videos: ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The van that I saw originally was solid white. That truck is probably the one that blew up on King Street, especially since the mural was reported by the officers who witnessed the Israelis getting out of the truck right before it blew up. Yep. Need drones over Tel Aviv, with Hellfires away to the eneimes of the US.. Hve no evidence but I think this is BS. That was the reason I offered my ignorance up for humiliation ... to see if anyone else would ! Thanks to those who did so ! "Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."
The officer thing is what made me really wonder about the van ... and to question why I hadn't EVER heard about it or for that matter the officer's statement. That statement and a picture of the van should have instigated some synagogue burn downs ! "Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."
http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php? boardId=564809&articleId=66562&func=5&channel=Member+Guided+News "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Poster comment on related topic at Goon Squad | Who Did 9-11? | January 26, 2011 7:59 PM http://mybigfatanti-zionistlife.blogspot.com/2009/08/9-11-mossad-mall-spies- zoomcopters-and.html Israelis in the malls also sell other crappy little toys like airplanes. The van at 6th and King was described as having a mural "with a plane crashing into New York City" (NOT into the WTC) The graphic on the van may have had something to do with this other line of business Suter was involved in (the shopping mall helicopter/plane vendors). Just a thought. Copy of my 4um comment on that: Playlist of related videos and info, currently still under construction 9/11 Suspect Vans Info For access convenience, this is a video listed there that will be referenced in text research after this post: Will try to post a transcription of the Police Radio transmissions later. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
SO... The van exploded.... ??? Then their is no more evidence of it save what is in pictures and stuff like the recording above. It would of been recycled along with everything else right.... That is what I heard near the end there correct? If so then it might also be in the toasted car picture collection... _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Several excerpted references, separated with: ------------ ------------ Kerik Plans Mission To Israel BY JOHN MARZULLI DAILY NEWS POLICE BUREAU CHIEF Sunday, August 26, 2001 Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik leaves tonight for a four-day trip to Israel, where he will meet with government officials to discuss anti-terror tactics and Israeli traffickers of Ecstasy pills. Kerik was invited to the violence-wracked region by Israel's minister of public safety. Mayor Giuliani approved the trip. The visit is considered official business, so New York City taxpayers are picking up the tab. Kerik was invited to the violence-wracked region by Israel's minister of public safety. Mayor Giuliani approved the trip. Kerik himself is no stranger to the Middle East and traveled to Israel before becoming commissioner. Before joining the NYPD, he coordinated security for the Saudi royal family. http://articles.nydailynews.com/2001-08-26/news/18360449_1_police-commissioner- bernard-kerik-israel-suicide-bombers My Note: NYC Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik retired soon after 9/11 on New Years Eve, 12-31-01. ------------ NYPD Now Has an Israel Branch By Margaret Hartmann 9/6/12 at 3:22 AM Even people who don't live anywhere near New York are getting an opportunity to experience the NYPD's controversial policing practices. The department has had a handful of officers stationed abroad for some time now, and Al-Monitor reports that it's "opened a local branch" in Israel. Last year Mordecai Dzikansk, an NYPD detective working in Israel, explained that his role was to learn from foreign authorities and situations that arise overseas. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/nypd-now-has-an-israel-branch.html ------------ The 9/11 Mural Van: Rabbit Hole or Memory Hole? The only official account of the Mural Van is in the Mineta Transportation Institute's "Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks" document: http://transweb.sjsu.edu/mtiportal/research/publications/documents/ The most detailed transcript pointed to was hosted on thememoryhole.org, which ironically was taken down by hackers in 2009, never to return -- not even at archive.org. What does the van have to do with “remote controlled airplanes filled with explosives?” If the Mossad in collusion with the top levels of US government agencies planned and executed 9-11, then it seems to me that these 3 Urban Moving Systems vignettes seem to be a deliberate part of their overall plan, to lead us down rabbit trails and keep our focus off of other more obvious deceptions about the events of 9-11. http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/06/16/the-911-mural-van-rabbit-hole-or- memory-hole/ Transcription. ------------ The 9-11 Forum • View topic - Police Radio - King Street Mural Van [Many] mistakenly say that [the Mineta Transportation Institute] report [Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks] came out in Feb. 2006 because it is numbered 02-06, but it was actually published in Sep. 2003 (as evident from the front page). On the transmission, the officer says twice that they had detained the two fleeing suspects that "were driving the van and the van exploded." The longer recording can be found here: http://we-dont.gotdns.org/~culhavoc/audio/WTC10-10-5-the-message-about-the- remote-controlled-plane.mp3 it seems to be a recording made from a police scanner by the person who runs this website: http://www.bayscan.net/ On the recording, there is first a mention of remote controlled planes filled with explosives (?!) that later, through much crosstalk and interference, becomes a description of a truck (possibly filled with explosives) with a mural depicting a plane crashing into the WTC. Within about thirty seconds of the last message describing the mural and request for the bomb squad, apparently the van/truck has exploded and the fleeing men have been apprehended a year ago or so on youtube i remember a comment saying the truck belonged to a toy remote control plane company, but that still doesn't explain why the painting showed the toy plane crashing into the wtc. As far as the Mineta report is concerned, the phrase "The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck" certainly gives the impression that this was much ado about nothing, but displacing the question of guilt onto the truck could simply be a strategy to offer a technically true statement while not commenting on either the men or the presence of explosives: The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck, occupied by terrorists, filled with explosives. An even longer clip, which is of better quality, of this incident is found here: Part 9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vAulAAMO1E&feature=related for the conspiracy minded: at 8:40 or so in part 10 (just a few minutes after the alleged van/truck explosion) there is a message from a lieutenant who is with the mayor (?!) at King and 6th looking for the closest command post. http://the911forum.freeforums.org/police-radio-king-street-mural-van-t256.html Transcription. ------------ Strange Moving Van Puzzles 911 Investigators Links to story and Police Radio audio at: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread610640/pg1 The indication is that the suspects ran away when the van was stopped and were then apprehended following some sort of struggle. It is then stated that the van has actually exploded. What do you think? there is no median strip on King Street. Furthermore, there is no 7th Ave south of Houston. 7th Ave turns into Varick at Houston. Any New Yorker knows this. http://www.viewzone.com/whitevan.html Transcription. Dan Rather news video. ------------ The FBI, the NYPD and the 9-11-2001 King Street Exploding Mural Truck - All Roads Lead to Nowhere Saturday, 12-May-2012 The best evidence for the existence of the truck (sometimes referred to as a "van") is an audio of the New York Police Department radio transmissions on that day, which were recorded by a ham radio operator. The operator is identified in the video below as WB6NYC who was at the time working as an emergency coordinator for the Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) in New York City. In the audio at 1:42, 1:54, and 2:32 mention is made of a "remote controlled plane filled with explosives" - the location is given as "King and 6th Avenue". Several requests are then made to the officer reporting on the plane to "10-5 (repeat | My Note: or Relay?) the message about the plane". At 3:51 an officer states "Central, I got a message on that, uh, plane. It's a big truck with a mural painted of an airplane diving into New York City and exploding". At 4:05 an officer makes a request for the Bomb Squad and the ESU (Emergency Service Unit) of the NYPD to go to King Street. ESU also functions as a SWAT unit. Mention is made of an explosion at 5:03 and then again at 5:36. At 6:10 a request is made to contact the chief of OCCB, the Organized Crime Control Bureau. The truck was also mentioned in the Mineta Transportation Institute Report (September 2003) and the mural in that report (page 28 in the .pdf file) is described as "a plane crashing into the World Trade Center". "Mineta" refers to Norman Mineta, Secretary of Transportation under George W. Bush, appointed to the position in 2001. Norman Mineta is also mentioned several times in the official 9-11 Commission Report. Critics have stated that there is no 6th or 7th Avenue next to King Street in Manhattan as heard on the audio. The King Street location was between Avenue of the Americas, which New Yorkers habitually refer to as 6th Avenue, and Varick Street, which feeds into 7th Avenue. In a 9-16-2001 New York Times article titled After Shining Decade, City Dwellers Reassess Face of Their Reality by Adam Nagourney, mention is made in the 8th paragraph of the truck found on King Street in Soho Contrast that with the audio above and then this excerpt from page 28 of the pdf file of the Mineta Transportation Institute Report, which gives a different story: A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post From the Wall Street Journal 12-3-08 "Shalom Christmas Shoppers: Israelis Sell Toys, Cosmetics at the Mall" Urban Moving Systems, the Israeli Mossad front famous for the "Dancing Israelis" who celebrated the collapse of the WTC, is connected to a warehouse in Bayonne, NJ. This warehouse is a distribution point for Zoomcopters, a simple toy famous for being sold by Israelis from mall kiosks just prior to 9- 11. Other goods sold by Israelis include but are not limited to: Dead Sea cosmetics, remote controlled planes and helicopters, and hair extensions. Did the King Street truck belong to Urban Moving? If in fact "the vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck", then why did it explode, and why did the occupants run away just before the explosion? File [a class action lawsuit] against the City of New York, the NYPD, Rudolph Guiliani and Bernard Kerik as defendants. The crime of aiding and abetting the cover-up of a terrorist act should be one of the charges. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=239530 FOIA/FOIL info. ------------ Help Stop the 9-11 Coverup: King Street Truck Explosion Cover-Up Continues Few Americans are aware that on September 11, 2001 after 11:00AM several New York Police Officers stopped a rented truck on King Street between 6th (Avenue of the Americas) and 7th Avenue/Varick known to local NY residents as South 7th Avenue. Two men took off running away from the truck which exploded according to the NYPD radio recordings. The only print media report of this incident was on page 8 of an September 16, 2001 New York Times article by Adam Nagourney titled "After Shining Decade, City Dwellers Reasssess Face of Their Reality" excerpt here: The only print media report of this incident was on page 8 of an September 16, 2001 New York Times article by Adam Nagourney titled "After Shining Decade, City Dwellers Reasssess Face of Their Reality" excerpt here: This is the beginning of King Street and 6th Avenue [Pic] This is 7th Avenue, Varick is known locally as the Southern End of 7th Ave [Pic] Let's all do more than just talk about this incident. Let's get involved. Share this video with everyone you know and encourage them to get involved. Please. Video: Something About King Street http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B1CJ4MjBhVo 8:25 VARICK is known locally as South 7th Avenue http://helpstopthe9-11coverup.blogspot.com/2012/09/king-street-van-explosion- cover-up.html#!/2012/09/king-street-van-explosion-cover-up.html ------------ Excerpts: What Cover-Up You Ask... As noted in the upper left corner of the document, the FBI's High Fiver [My Note: "Dancing Israelis] files will not be declassified until the year 2035. The FBI asserts that it is a matter of national security, On Friday September 9, 2011 the Star Ledger newspaper and the New Jersey Performing Arts Center invited three former members of the 9-11 Commission, John Lehman (left), Former Chairman Tom Kean (center) and John Farmer (right corner) to speak about their work on the commission and their feelings about the approaching ten year commemoration of the attacks. After being rushed to get to my question, I asked the former 'investigators' why they did not hold anyone accountable in government for not acting on [various] information: The three commissioners looked at each other, presumably to determine who would answer the question, and after pausing for a few seconds John Lehman responded:"It wasn't our job". [Much 9/11 Documentation at the site] http://helpstopthe9-11coverup.blogspot.com/2012/09/king-street-van-explosion- cover-up.html#!/ ------------ A truckload of explosives A forgotten story? Sources said the van was stopped as it headed east on Route 3, between the Hackensack River bridge and the Sheraton hotel. As a precaution, police shut down Route 3 traffic in both directions after the stop and evacuated a small roadside motel near the Sheraton. There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park. It's also conceivable that there were two vans, in which case it could be argued that Kerik's denial of explosives referred to the second, at George Washington bridge A report was also carried on Army Radio, apparently: http://web.archive.org/web/20040820083318/http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/jpos t.html http://web.archive.org/web/20011108025936/http://www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200 109125.htm http://www.911myths.com/index.php/A_truckload_of_explosives [Various news reports and analysis] ------------ The Mystery Of The 9/11 Car Bombs Evidence points to multiple roaming backup teams with vans full of explosives Steve Watson Infowars.net Monday, April 23, 2007 Some evidence even suggests that some of these vehicles actually exploded, and at least one was reported by mainstream media sourcing the FBI as having been parked at the base of one of the towers when it exploded and aided the collapse of the tower. The first, and most mysterious, piece of evidence to highlight comes from an actual transmission from audio from Channel 30 NYC, one of the emergency communications channels, on the morning of September 11 which makes reference to the discovery of a van full of explosives and two suspects located between 6th and 7th on King Street, some blocks away from the World Trade Center. if this was an "innocent delivery truck" why did the suspects attempt to run away? The bizarre thing about the transmission is that the responder makes reference to a mural painted on the side of the van depicting a "remote controlled plane" diving into New York City. A full transcript follows the audio: Another transcript of 9/11 police radio transmissions, originally obtained by memoryhole.org in 2005 through a Port Authority Freedom of Information Request, reveals a second separate mention of a van with “terrorists” and explosives: In a separate transcript first broadcast by NBC news, another mention is made of a white van with explosives and "terrorists" heading for the Holland Tunnel. In addition to these Holland Tunnel reports, The Jerusalem Post and others also reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge: The George Washington Bridge is several miles north of the Holland Tunnel. It certainly becomes clear that the suspects detained at the GW Bridge were not the same suspects detained in King St. with the mural on their van. It was reported by ABC, the New York Post and the New Jersey Bergen Record that police stopped a group of five men in a white van on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel at around 4.30pm on 9/11. Another often documented instance of suspicious individuals seen in a white van on 9/11 is that of the so called "Five Dancing Israelis". It was reported by the New York Times any many other outlets Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact. Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. Could these reports have all pertained to the same group of middle easterners or was there more than one group? The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. [video] shows many witnesses stating that they heard explosions inside and at the base of the buildings. It also contains MSNBC's Pat Dawson stating that the chief of safety for the New York City Fire Department had told him that they believed a secondary device had exploded somewhere inside one of the buildings: So not only do we have reports of explosive vans from all over New York on 9/11, news reports also strongly suggest that the authorities believed that vans packed with explosives were used in the actual attack on the World Trade Center. Another widely circulated report picked up by multiple mainstream outlets on 9/11 was the announcement by senior law officials within the State Department in Washington that a car bomb had exploded outside the their building. The news anchors in the following British Channel 5 clip also make mention of a car bomb at the State Department and the bombing of a shopping mall in Washington DC. By the evening of September 11, following a "perimeter walk around our building," the State Department publicly stated that no such bombing had taken place. Why were senior State Department officials telling the media that there had been a bombing without even conducting a basic appraisal of the building's perimeter? Can this all be put down to "confusion" or were some elements of the 9/11 script changed according to how events were unfolding on the day? There are reports from 9/11 of white vans with explosives and middle eastern suspects in at least eight different places in New York on that day: [List] There were at least three different parties involved: [List] once again it is clear that the whole truth as to what happened on the day that changed the world is far from being told. http://infowars.net/articles/april2007/230407vans.htm Transcriptions. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
hmmmm .. And if all this is correct then it would suggest alot more too. It could be taken with two angles. ONE: Use of RC planes would of made for many more compelling witness but it does not fill in every blank, TWO: It give the incident another broken bone to chase. A van with suspects apprehended under very suspicious circumstances and at a very turbulent time. Then they are all let go? The locals let that happen? And they are not continueing to co-operate with the citizen investigation movement,...... It could be a smoke trail... _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Then their is no more evidence of it save what is in pictures and stuff like the recording above. It would of been recycled along with everything else right.... That is what I heard near the end there correct? If so then it might also be in the toasted car picture collection... My impression from the recordings is that there was some number of remote controlled toy planes filled with explosives and one or more exploded in the van (ref: Dominic Suter's Zoomcopter business). I'm guessing that explosion might have been small-scale but maybe would have been worse at some point if they hadn't been apprehended. Am noting here that references within the above Playlist videos to the Meadowlands are referring to the arrest of the Dancing Israel's aka High Fivers. Also in the listings are interviews of Scott DeCarlo, an arrestiing officer, and interviews of some of those Israelis. Am noting here, too, that the Police Radio transmissions mention a gas leak at Stuyvesant school across from the WTC, which might be linked somehow to the streetwork-scene that was being filmed by the suspect Naudet Brothers. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Right... 3 trucks one found and stopped. It blows up a few moments later. (five bucks says one of them pushed a button) What about the size of these RC planes? Was their any mention to that? And the cops on scene are they all conscripted into the truth movement proper? This is an aspect I has not heard ..I have seen the truck before , I had not heard of it being filled with explosive RC planes. I had heard that the truck was Israeli owned. ..... Still WTF... two suspects in custody. Their shit blows up while everyone is still on scene. And it is later determined to be innocent?!?! and the suspects? vanish? Surly the police got prints, pics, and everything else before letting them go !!! RIGHT!!!! ??? ugh... always more questions. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
It could be taken with two angles. ONE: Use of RC planes would of made for many more compelling witness but it does not fill in every blank, TWO: It give the incident another broken bone to chase. A van with suspects apprehended under very suspicious circumstances and at a very turbulent time. Then they are all let go? The locals let that happen? And they are not continueing to co-operate with the citizen investigation movement,...... It could be a smoke trail... In the 2006 Pentagon film-release, there appears to be some small drone- aircraft or something flying remote-control toy-style from the left of the screen to the alleged crash site. One is a red plane. Now with the remote-controlled toy planes in the "Dancing Israelis" scenario, here we are -- years later, and that's what surprisingly amounts to the bulk of non-speculative data on the Remote Controlled Planes at the WTC and Pentagon Theorems. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I don't recall hearing anything about what size the rc planes were. The recording is actually on the humorous side in one section -- kind of like a remote viewing of an ethereal plane where there seemed to be some overemphasis on "location", "location, "location", as if there was a real estate agency matter of some sort askance, perceptionwise, rather than a procedural routines imperative. Seemed to be a dialogue-disconnection from that.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
WEll from the van size we know they had to be smaller that the box removed at the pentagon. Thats what I was wondering earlier before I thought about it more. ... and they would of been out of box, ready to fly and already modifed with explosives but not done in a subtle manner as the cops recognised explosives and called the bomb squad.... but not before the explosives went off. .........but the fire department feed did not include that part. Never any word on how many RC planes they saw either... it could of been two or it could of been half a dozen...I doubt they were piled into the back of that van so I would wager their were only a few (2 to 6) ... I kinda wonder if they were made to launch from the flat bed of the van or if they were gonna do a normal take off. And what was the point of the RC planes? By themselves they won't be able to blow up buildings...but they can provide added distraction to a story loaded with it....unless their was some other plan for the RCs....... _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
There were reports of tons of explosives but that wasn't the only van in question. It's been theorized that the intent was as smuggled basement demolition at the WTC and maybe elsewhere. Even if so, that wouldn't account much for the way the Towers were destroyed, I wouldn't think. There are conflicting reports too, so I dunno.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Instead, they went after Saddam and bin Laden. That makes sense to someone I guess, but not to me. Amazing. You totally ignored this information when I posted it to you and asked you about it about a month ago, and you're acting like you're just discovering this out now? If you had paid attention, it wasn't the police that let them go, it was the FBI. In fact, GreyLmist made a huge deal because I said it was those in the Justice Department and above who made the decision. Apparently that wasn't exact enough, he (or she) called me a shill or whatever because I didn't specify names. Apparently that wasn't exact enough, he (or she) called me a shill or whatever because I didn't specify names. What? You most certainly did specify exactly the name Chertoff. I certainly did not make a huge deal about those in the Justice Department and above. I named Mukasey as another Justice Dept. suspect in their release, as well as U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, remember? I thought we had reached that much of an understanding about Ashcroft and others at the Bush admin level but you're claiming now that their release was the FBI-in-general's doing particularly or especially? You're claiming too that I called you a shill or whatever? You need to source every one of your quoted claims but won't be able to, I'm sure, because it looks to me like you're just making that stuff up. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Box of what removed at the Pentagon? Edited for grammar. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Sorry, but I surly expected that this was ALL common knowledge to those of us on this site. I've been stewing over this for 10+ years.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Uh, yeah I could. Do you want me to? Uh, yeah I could. Do you want me to? Yes, do that if you think you can. Or you could just agree with my reminder post. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The drone box... It was covered in tarp and removed and it is speculated to be the remains of a drone. ..... ..drones are not RC planes. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
I hadn't heard that speculation before. Why do you say that drones aren't remotely controlled planes/aircraft? Do you mean their flights are pre- programmed?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
No no no.... I was just going off the audio. The officers went on and on about RC planes... At first I was wondering if those RCs were big enough to be military drones... but then I thought about the size of drones. I'm trying to fathom just how many RC planes did the officer see... a few? Many? just one? ...... _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
The 1st link below was referenced in the text research after I posted the video "Something About King Street". It's included in the Playlist too -- one of a series with eleven parts on Police and other transmissions that day. Haven't listened to it closely enough yet but did hear at 8:20: "one of those remote control planes filled with explosives." I think that's about where the King Street video picks up on it and the recording says, "10-5 [Repeat/Relay] the message about the remote control plane," singular/one but the officer doesn't say if only one exploded so I don't know. WTC Live Radio Transmission of the Public Safety Heroes Part 09 of 11 Parts 10 and 11 might have more info about how many exploded. Didn't include the entire series in the Playlist on this issue but should include those. Here's the links to them listed on the YouTube page for Part 9: WTC Live Radio Transmission of the Public Safety Heroes Part 10 of 11 WTC Live Radio Transmission of the Public Safety Heroes Part 11 of 11 Final Part Edited to extend next to last sentence. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Typo correction: plain ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Updated. Currently: 38 videos | Play All duration 3:48:13 References on the right Sidebar are an abbreviation of cited info at Post #19 above, due to space limitations for text. Additional info included there: At 21:34-25:27 Kerik, Former NYPD Commissioner: Follow the $ Trail. 11-08-07 indicted on 16 counts; 2010 sentenced to prison. 3-31-11 headline: Bernard Kerik's 4-Year Prison Sentence Upheld Uploaded on Jul 8, 2012 by ProdigalSon888. Video is originally from Activated the links here for that recommended Overview video [currently #25 in the Playlist archive]. Info of interest, imo, from the Description section of the opening video in this thread, 9/11 Vans: 'Splain This! [currently #5 in the Playlist archive]: According to a non-official cover or N.O.C. CIA source who worked closely with Dick, the Israeli (Mossad?) movers moved in explosives when ZIM moved out. With ZIM Israel bailing out just in time, this left one Israeli company, Clearforest, with 19 employees, in the WTC on 9/11. Of the five employees in the building all managed to escape. Dancing Israelis interviewed on a Talk Show in Israel, Nov. 2001 after their detention release and deportation. [Segment currently at #38 in the Playlist archive but is also referenced within other videos there as well]: Our Purpose was to document the "Event" "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." Why that statement does indicate some level of foreknowledge [Ref. note currently at video #27 in Playlist archive]: WTC 1 had not been reported yet as a terror strike when the Israelis moved to document it as so. Until WTC 2 was said to be a terror strike, WTC 1 was being reported as if an accidental explosion or an accidental plane crash might possibly have occurred there; not determined as an attack "event" in-process. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Cross-referencing Post #12 Archive at 4um Title: "Give us twenty years and we'll take over your media and destroy your country"
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#2. To: BTP Holdings, 4 (#1)
#3. To: GreyLmist (#0)
#4. To: noone222 (#3)
I'm embarrassed to admit that this is the 1st I've been aware that the moving van had a mural of 9-11 painted on it !
#5. To: GreyLmist (#0)
Our purpose was to document the event.
#6. To: noone222 (#3)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#7. To: GreyLmist (#0)
(Edited)
#8. To: RickyJ, GreyLmist (#7)
Then again, maybe they realize their control over our media and government is so great that they can publicly do this in plain sight and get away with it.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#9. To: wudidiz, ALL (#8)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#10. To: All, *9-11* (#0)
“There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”
http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/05/03/confirming-the-exploding-mural-van- coverup/
www.viddler.com/ex plore/stenchofzion/videos/27/
#11. To: Lod, noone222, All (#4)
This could have been 'shopped.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#12. To: randge (#5)
Seems we "desert stormed" the wrong stretch of dirt, no??
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#13. To: noone222 (#3)
Thanks - I'm embarrassed to admit that this is the 1st I've been aware that the moving van had a mural of 9-11 painted on it !
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#14. To: tom007 (#13)
Hve no evidence but I think this is BS.
#15. To: FormerLurker (#11)
That truck is probably the one that blew up on King Street, especially since the mural was reported by the officers who witnessed the Israelis getting out of the truck right before it blew up.
#16. To: Lod (#2)
I did a search on supra-gov:
#17. To: All, *9-11* (#0)
Follow the 9/11 Fund money trail. Re: the Israelis' detainment, CNSNews was reporting extensively at the time on the mishandling of those charity funds by the United Way and the Red Cross. An example reported on misuse of the funds (donated for 9/11 victims and their families) had to do with providing for the legal expenses of detained terror suspects.
GreyLmist [Comment at YouTube site last November.] I managed to track down Mr. [Dominic] Suter to the Zoomcopter biz
Suter was reported some years ago as having re-entered America -- through Canada, iirc.
#18. To: GreyLmist (#17)
#19. To: All (#17)
Sept11.book.htm
#20. To: GreyLmist (#19)
#21. To: titorite, *9-11* (#18)
SO... The van exploded.... ???
#22. To: GreyLmist (#21)
(Edited)
#23. To: titorite, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#20)
hmmmm .. And if all this is correct then it would suggest alot more too.
#24. To: titorite (#22)
#25. To: GreyLmist (#24)
#26. To: titorite (#25)
#27. To: noone222 (#15)
That statement and a picture of the van should have instigated some synagogue burn downs !
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#28. To: titorite, GreyLmist, (#22)
Still WTF... two suspects in custody. Their shit blows up while everyone is still on scene. And it is later determined to be innocent?!?! and the suspects? vanish? Surly the police got prints, pics, and everything else before letting them go !!! RIGHT!!!! ???
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#29. To: FormerLurker (#28)
it wasn't the police that let them go, it was the FBI. In fact, GreyLmist made a huge deal because I said it was those in the Justice Department and above who made the decision.
#30. To: titorite (#25)
(Edited)
WEll from the van size we know they had to be smaller that the box removed at the pentagon.
#31. To: noone222 (#15)
#32. To: GreyLmist (#29)
You need to source every one of your quoted claims but won't be able to, I'm sure, because it looks to me like you're just making that stuff up.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#33. To: FormerLurker (#32)
You need to source every one of your quoted claims but won't be able to, I'm sure, because it looks to me like you're just making that stuff up.
#34. To: GreyLmist (#30)
Box of what removed at the Pentagon?
#35. To: titorite (#34)
#36. To: GreyLmist (#35)
I hadn't heard that speculation before. Why do you say that drones aren't remotely controlled planes/aircraft? Do you mean their flights are pre- programmed?
#37. To: titorite (#36)
(Edited)
I'm trying to fathom just how many RC planes did the officer see... a few? Many? just one? ......
#38. To: All (#24)
an ethereal plane
#39. To: All, *9-11* (#17)
Playlist of related videos and info, currently still under construction 9/11 Suspect Vans Info
9/11 Jewish State Foreknowledge & 'The Dancing Israelis' - 32:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdFHNv-XFrc
http://takeourworldback.com/dancingisraelisfbireport.htm- ZIM, an Israeli-owned company, vacated its office (10,000 square feet) in the North WTC tower a week before 9/11, breaking its lease. 49% of this company is owned by the Israeli government. The lease ran till the end of 2001, and the company lost $50,000 by breaking the lease. Later, FBI agent Michael Dick, who was investigating Israeli spying before and after 9/11 and looking into the suspicious move, was removed from his duties by the head of the Justice Department's criminal division, Michael Chertoff.
#40. To: GreyLmist (#39)
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