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Title: Shutting down Penn State football not the answer
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URL Source: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo ... -state-football-not-the-answer
Published: Nov 17, 2011
Author: David Whitley
Post Date: 2011-11-17 22:58:10 by christine
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Views: 1217
Comments: 66

This might not go over well in Korea or editorial boards around America, but can we lay off Penn State for a minute?

Please folks, take a deep breath before somebody calls for the entire school to be bulldozed. We’re all disgusted by the sexual-abuse scandal, but the torches and pitchforks are getting out of control.

Major newspapers, websites want the season cancelled. Joe Scarborough, normally a voice of reason, called for the football program to be shut down for a year on his MSNBC show.

The Korea Times has even weighed in, saying the NCAA should immediately hit Penn State with the death penalty. It somehow resisted the temptation to call Joe Paterno the Kim Jong-il of college football.

The main thing all that would accomplish is punishing a whole lot of innocent people. Which brings up the obvious qualifier:

The agonies of Jerry Sandusky’s alleged victims far outweigh whatever is inflicted on players, fans and alumni. But that 99 percent has been caught in a hell created by far less than 1 percent of Penn State people.

The school has become an international symbol for shame. A degree is suddenly a ticket for ridicule.

People whose hearts belonged to Penn State two weeks ago are suddenly ashamed to be associated with it. Cheering for their team is now seen as cheering child molestation.

Presidential candidate Rick Santorum is a Penn State graduate. He said fellow alumni and strangershave been engaging in “group therapy” since the scandal broke.

“They just want to talk about it because they are so hurt by it,” he said while campaigning in Iowa. “It is so personal. You feel betrayed that something like this could happen.”

The initial outrage sparked a student riot. Now even the knuckleheads are attending candlelight vigils.

Santorum says the Nittany Lions should bypass a bowl this year. That makes sense considering bowls are supposed to be celebrations, and nobody feels like celebrating. Bypassing next season is another matter.

High-minded folks think it will send the proverbial right message. They see Paterno as a mere fall guy for a corrupt system. They say it’s too early to move on.

They should realize Penn State can’t move on. There are years of criminal and civil trials ahead. Every time Sandusky takes the stand it will remind people from San Jose to Seoul that Linebacker U. was allegedly Pedophile U.

The people who let it become that have already faced justice. Penn State’s Board of Trustees has fired the president and football coach.

The athletic director and overseer of campus police have been arrested. The grad assistant who supposedly walked away from a horrid shower scene is a national pariah. If there are other guilty parties, they will hopefully be held accountable.

Critics think everybody at Penn State is accountable. By supporting the football team they supported the monster that allowed a Sandusky to roam free. There’s no doubt officials wanted to protect the athletic program, but they reacted like most in child-molestation cases. They went into denial and damage control.

We’ve seen it thousands of times in churches and boardrooms. Not that I expect the critics to buy that excuse.

“Clearly the PSU program is totally out of control and has been for well over a decade,” said an editorial on Diverse Issues in Higher Education website.

Actually, Penn State is one of four schools to never have a major NCAA violation. It won’t this time, either. The NCAA manual may be 10,000 pages thick, but nowhere in there is a rule against assistant football coaches showering with 10-year-old boys.

That’s because such things are patently obvious. The Sandusky cover-up didn’t spring from our football culture, it came from our culture.

Slapping Penn Sate with the death penalty is not going to make the next pedophile think twice before taking a boy into the training room. It won’t make colleagues less likely to turn away.

It also won’t make the next Nevin Shapiro any less likely to throw a party for recruits on his yacht.

What is the reformers’ plan to get things under control? Take money out of football? Pay players? Make them all have 1600 SAT scores?

None of that would have controlled a Sandusky.

Then there is the matter of money. Penn State football generated $72.7 million last year, with a $53.2 million profit. In ivory towers, that is proof business had encroached on academic purity.

In the real world, that pays for baseball, track, lacrosse, swimming, gymnastics, hockey, tennis and women’s fencing.

Should all those athletes go down the drain for a couple of years?

We rail at the injustice when the NCAA imposes sanctions on schools like USC. Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll are making NFL millions, while the innocent players left behind are penalized.

In this case, the (alleged) bad guys are not getting away. Yet we still want to hammer the innocent athletes left behind? We’re OK that everything Penn State has been irrevocably tainted?

Once more for emphasis:

Whatever pain players, students and fans endure is nothing compared to what Sandusky allegedly inflicted. But all this righteous outrage is only producing more victims.

There have already been far too many of those at Penn State.


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#27. To: Lod (#23)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-11-18   14:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Lod (#25)

Thanks Jim. We're fine here in town, and in time the whores in the MSM will move on to their next pool of blood. I can see from the tone of yesterdays and today's articles, their claws are already retracting. I don't wish what happened here on anyone. My youngest daughter is in Princeton, NJ, and has PSU alum licence plates on her car. It's become a target for mindless oafs who are guided by the MSM and their own personal biases. She isn't alone. I fully expect some of these young men and women to become victims of violence, or to deal some out if attacked. I know I certainly will should anyone say something to my face, or in any way denigrate members of my family. To indict a 125 y/o University for the actions of what seems to be a handful of the most elite, speaks more to the character of the finger pointers, than 99.9% of the kids here. In short order their Universities could very well become a target, and I for one will be the very last to throw a rock, even in jest.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-18   14:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull, Lod, christine, Eric Stratton, all (#24)

Regardless as to whether the NCAA imposes some sort of sanction or not is actually almost irrelevant.

The school is likely to be hit with millions to hundreds of millions in civil suit penalties (last I read the body count was up to around 40 counts involving 8 boys, and that is only what has been made public - this Ped was left to rampage for over a decade) and the recruiting for future players is toast. The football program is essentially dead for the next decade if not longer. Once the current crop of top level players "graduates" there will be none to replace them. Oh, I'm sure that the scholarships will attract some, but those with serious talent and aspirations will go elsewhere. The now disgraced Joe Paterno was one of the big draws for recruiting and the odor about this affair will drive potential recruits, at least the top ones, to other schools. Parents will slam the door in the face of Penn State recruiters.

Actually my biggest concern is that the deep cover for wealthy contributors/donors/souless perverts in high places is going to be put into place and they will be shielded from exposure/prosecution. While in my milder moments I would like to see Sandusky drawn, flayed alive, and then quartered the reality is that if the rumors are true he was not the only perv feeding on these boys. The level of outrage is something for which words fail me.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-18   14:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Eric Stratton (#26)

And it pisses me off. How fucking lame is it to literally blame everyone else but the perpetrators? Blame the culture. It was the culture that made these fucks unable to do what any normal person would do without a second thought. Shit.

Everyone seems to want to reframe this issue into "won't someone please think of the children!!!" Well, no one ever thought of the children, they thought of their football season(s) and all that lovely money. Why should they start giving a tinkers damn about the children now? I bet that they wish those kids were dead.

When those other spoiled brat "children" rioted because that old fuck (who happens to have a catholic/jesuit upbringing) lost his job, those children lost all credibility. AFAIK there have been no consequences for that. It is a total breakdown of authority.

And that is just PSU. The politicians that aided and abetted this are another matter.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-18   14:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull, Lod, christine, Eric Stratton, all (#29)

Just an afterthought. The civil judgments are going to be much more extreme than any potential liability had the school administration and coaching staff not tried covering this up. I can't really speculate as to how much they are going to be stuck for, but a lot.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-18   15:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Eric Stratton (#18)

Or better yet, let's just have skools open black market underground child sex trafficking houses in order to raise funds for their programs. In fact, let 'em do it overseas so that the U.S. and its moral skool system isn't "tainted" at all, eh.

We already have that going on here in the United States. It's called NAFTA-GATT. You can thank George Bush Sr., Big Dick Cheney and Ronnie Reagan for that one!

purplerose  posted on  2011-11-18   15:56:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

To indict a 125 y/o University for the actions of what seems to be a handful of the most elite, speaks more to the character of the finger pointers, than 99.9% of the kids here. In short order their Universities could very well become a target, and I for one will be the very last to throw a rock, even in jest.

You do realize that this is not just a local matter in your area? This is national. Those lawyers are not finished just yet. You can bet that members of the Board of Trustees and those in the higher ups were well aware of this despicable dirty laundry going on. A pimp can also be a member of the school administration regardless of their position. And believe me, just when you think that grand jury report was a shock to read, watch and see what happens when those victims start testifying and dropping names under oath. People are going to scramble like cockroaches.

purplerose  posted on  2011-11-18   16:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Eric Stratton, christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, all (#16) (Edited)

You know what? One of the things that bothers me is that the debate on the Pedd State affair is coalescing into two camps:

1. Those whose outrage and primary concern is directed in favor of the kids who were abused by this sexual predator and any others to whom he was supplying nubile young boys.

2. Those whose primary concern is protecting the Pedd State Football Program.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-18   16:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

My youngest daughter is in Princeton, NJ, and has PSU alum licence plates on her car. It's become a target for mindless oafs who are guided by the MSM and their own personal biases.

This is exactly the reason our rides sport zero signage of any sort.

Too many twerps walk, and drive, among us.

And exactly what did the AG hope to accomplish by making public the Grand Jury's findings?

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-11-18   17:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#35)

And exactly what did the AG hope to accomplish by making public the Grand Jury's findings?

My guess, made earlier on another thread, is that it was to force it out into the open so that there would not be as much political pressure to keep it hushed and buried. I suspect that is likely because of the rumored links back to some wealthy and influential pedos. I think it was her insurance that it could not be completely covered up and possibly a life insurance policy given the murder of the D.A. who had previously investigated the case.

There is some very dark stuff here. Anyone who can whack a D.A. with impunity has some real ju-ju. As well is the curious fact that his hard drive on his laptop was completely wiped clean. That requires some real computer expertise.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-18   17:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#36)

There is some very dark stuff here. Anyone who can whack a D.A. with impunity has some real ju-ju. As well is the curious fact that his hard drive on his laptop was completely wiped clean. That requires some real computer expertise.

You're right - thanks.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-11-18   17:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: purplerose, Jethro Tull, christine, Eric Stratton, Lod, all (#33)

To indict a 125 y/o University for the actions of what seems to be a handful of the most elite, speaks more to the character of the finger pointers, than 99.9% of the kids here. In short order their Universities could very well become a target, and I for one will be the very last to throw a rock, even in jest.

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You do realize that this is not just a local matter in your area? This is national. Those lawyers are not finished just yet. You can bet that members of the Board of Trustees and those in the higher ups were well aware of this despicable dirty laundry going on. A pimp can also be a member of the school administration regardless of their position. And believe me, just when you think that grand jury report was a shock to read, watch and see what happens when those victims start testifying and dropping names under oath. People are going to scramble like cockroaches.

Recalling again that this went on for over ten years that none of the "trustees" was aware of this evokes gales of cynical laughter.

Of course they knew.

Given the previous charges in 1998/'99 and the disappearance of the D.A. combined with the wiping of his hard drive that the Board of Trustees was not aware is so sickly laughable as to be beyond ludicrous.

As well this was known at the state level by the sitting governor who was, at the time the Attorney General.

This fiendishly criminal activity was well known, of that I have no doubt, among many of the political elite of the state. Who knows? Maybe some of them have other knowledge to hide? Other experiences? Hmmmmmmmmm?

While I admire loyalty in people, and loyalty to a school or team is not a discreditable thing, there is a line beyond loyalty that enters into blind loyalty and an unwillingness to examine and confront the realities.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-18   17:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Lod (#37)

Thanks, and you are welcome. I find the whole thing sad and sick at the same time. It is like watching a slow motion train wreck of a NAZI camp train. I have no sympathy for the guards but do feel for the passengers.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-18   17:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#39)

As I mentioned earlier, I don't see any winners in this fiasco.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-11-18   18:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Lod, Jethro Tull, all (#40)

As I mentioned earlier, I don't see any winners in this fiasco.

But there are - the boys who will not be molested and raped because this was exposed.

Also, from the right perspective, the university wins too as the festering rot that was growing out of sight can now be expunged. It will be uncomfortable but the school will be the better for it.

As with any major surgery there will be pain and time to heal, but the important thing now is to get ALL of the rot. Half measures will not do.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-18   18:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Original_Intent (#41)

As with any major surgery there will be pain and time to heal, but the important thing now is to get ALL of the rot. Half measures will not do.

Correct.

If they remove all the rot, there will be future winners there.

This NAMBLA thing is so pernicious and pervasive that I don't believe that it will ever be completely stopped.

Some people are just wired the wrong way.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-11-18   18:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: purplerose (#33)

The current BoT needs to be voted out come Spring (I believe that's when the alum vote). Anybody connected to the current administration - including the two d'bags BoTs, who just appointed themselves President and AD - need to be sent packing. Their lack of leadership would put the odds of this happening at near 100%.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-18   18:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Lod (#42)

This NAMBLA thing is so pernicious and pervasive

Yes, it is.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-18   18:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

Interesting that the alums get to elect your BoT.

Down here, pointy-boots appoints them all.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-11-18   18:56:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: christine, Eric Stratton (#6)

but first, let's have a complete investigation and trial.

Yeah, I'm for that.

First we try 'em, then we hang 'em.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-11-18   19:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Original_Intent, Jethro Tull, Lod, christine, Eric Stratton (#31)

Just an afterthought. The civil judgments are going to be much more extreme than any potential liability had the school administration and coaching staff not tried covering this up. I can't really speculate as to how much they are going to be stuck for, but a lot.

Which will raise the price of the university's insurance and ultimately raise the cost of....wanna guess?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-11-18   19:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Lod (#45)

Interesting that the alums get to elect your BoT.

Down here, pointy-boots appoints them all.

I presume you're referring to western boots like those worn by the pickup driving George Straight Invitational Rodeo and C&W music fans?

"Yeah, I voted for Haystack Smith for the board 'cause he's such a darn good wrassler! He beat Stone Cold Steve Austin before Steve suddenly got all pumped up that year, supposedly from eating peanut butter sammiches at bedtime!" ;)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-11-18   19:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Eric Stratton, christine (#12)

complete investigation and trial

the problem with something like this is that the AG, judges, etc will not conduct a valid investigation since they are probably customers of the perv ring. What should happen is parents of the victims need to take care of business.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-11-18   19:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jethro Tull (#45)

hola my esteemed and WELL LOVED HERE, BROTHER...trapped in what we both know is / must feel-like hell. i love you Man. this hurts me a LOT, but it has to be excruciating to you. I pray you guys press for total resolution. please do not take anything i say (too) personally. i respect you and look forward to slamming fish...and beers...with you in Panama...soon. i had, as you know, a ton of respect for joe and psu. i was excited about Dr. Tom and joe uniting in the B1G. things change quick these days it seems. i thank God it wasn't my turf that whiffed so devastatingly.

i'm going to start to address the joePed State, pimpsylvania scandal, here.

sports = politics. that's the sad truth.

so...as an avid hobbyist / enthusiast / lover of both the Cornhuskers, CFB, sports in general, all decent people...and fAmerica...that had to LIVE through and play before THIS SHIT LAST WEEK...and thankGodfully we triumphed @ 'haphaphappilyhappyvalley/pedd state'...i say salt that whole fucking athl. dept. after bulldozing it. for starters.

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2011-11-18   20:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent, all (#34)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-11-18   22:01:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: HOUNDDAWG (#48)

pointy-boots = rick perry

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-11-18   22:27:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: HOUNDDAWG (#47)

Just an afterthought. The civil judgments are going to be much more extreme than any potential liability had the school administration and coaching staff not tried covering this up. I can't really speculate as to how much they are going to be stuck for, but a lot.

Which will raise the price of the university's insurance and ultimately raise the cost of....wanna guess?

I see what you mean. However, I have no say so in the matter and am simply making an extrapolation of what I see the likely consequences.

Of course the individuals involved will be sued individually as well, and most personal liability insurance does not insure against criminal acts on the part of the policy holder.

So, minimally Sandusky is likely to be made a pauper AND hopefully get serious jail time to boot. As for the others they are subject to judgments as well. We'll just have to see how it plays out.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-18   22:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Original_Intent (#39)

I have no sympathy for the guards but do feel for the passengers.

that's a good way to put it and there are countless passengers on this train.

christine  posted on  2011-11-18   23:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

"...Anybody connected to the current administration - including the two d'bags BoTs, who just appointed themselves President and AD - need to be sent packing..."

I would politely dissent on this one. Those who have appointed themselves as interim vice president, and president, etc. etc., and all those involved in this scandal need to be served subpoenas and deposed under oath! Every damn one of them before they leave town. It's called abandoned ship before it sinks and loose lips sink ships and nobody wants to talk at this time. Isn't that interesting? And as for your police force, nobody is gonna talk until they have been served subpoenas.

purplerose  posted on  2011-11-19   16:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: purplerose (#55)

I would politely dissent on this one. Those who have appointed themselves as interim vice president, and president, etc. etc., and all those involved in this scandal need to be served subpoenas and deposed under oath! Every damn one of them before they leave town. It's called abandoned ship before it sinks and loose lips sink ships and nobody wants to talk at this time. Isn't that interesting? And as for your police force, nobody is gonna talk until they have been served subpoenas.

You'd be asking that our Governor's appointed AG, the same Governor/AG that allowed Sandusky to roam free from 2009-2011, to issue the appropriate subpoenas. Knowing what you have learned so far regarding this matter, what odds would you put on this happening?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-19   17:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Jethro Tull, purplerose (#56)

You'd be asking that our Governor's appointed AG, the same Governor/AG that allowed Sandusky to roam free from 2009-2011, to issue the appropriate subpoenas. Knowing what you have learned so far regarding this matter, what odds would you put on this happening?

About the same as the glaciation of Hell.

There has got to be a way though to pry open the Clam Shell.

It may be time to resurrect the real "Midnight Riders".

Let there be rope!

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-19   17:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Jethro Tull (#56)

I believe that I just heard PSU prevailed this afternoon.

Good on them.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-11-19   18:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Lod (#58) (Edited)

Thanks Lod.

Beating tOSU at their place is always a challenge.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-19   20:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#56) (Edited)

You'd be asking that our Governor's appointed AG, the same Governor/AG that allowed Sandusky to roam free from 2009-2011, to issue the appropriate subpoenas. Knowing what you have learned so far regarding this matter, what odds would you put on this happening?

Well, this sounds like something the FBI will have to delve into because if the AG is involved in this coverup, then that means he will also have to be served a subpoena. For the AG to be involved in this coverup and also involved in serving subpoenas is a major conflict of interest. He will have to recuse himself from serving the subpoenas and someone else who have jurisdictional power to oversee this handle the subpoenas. Just because someone serves as AG, does not mean they have absolute immunity. He can be served a subpoena provided that he is served in his INDIVIDUAL capacity...not official capacity. We are talking color of state and federal law.

purplerose  posted on  2011-11-20   19:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jethro Tull (#56)

Exposure is what these scumbags do not want.

Here's an example of why. The Franklin case of 1988 is what woke up America to horrendous child abuse and child sex trafficking leading all the way the White House which had Bush Sr and Ronnie Reagan all involved. www.wanttoknow.info/890629washingtontimesfranklin

And a documentary of the story was supposed to air six years later but was pulled from the airwaves. You have probably heard of this one.

Conspiracy of Silence

personalgrowthcourses.net/video/conspiracy_of_silence

purplerose  posted on  2011-11-20   22:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: purplerose (#61)

What is NOT needed is any .gov investigation.

We need a Grand Jury of independent citizens to look into these matters.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-11-20   22:56:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: purplerose (#61)

Exposure is what these scumbags do not want.

Agree, and until today, as I saw the whore media train it's spotlight on to Tom Corbett's head, I wasn't sure we'd get there. Should the SOB get some heat, national exposure will be unavoidable.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-20   23:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: purplerose (#61)

horrendous child abuse and child sex trafficking leading all the way the White House which had Bush Sr and Ronnie Reagan all involved.

RR? i wasn't aware of that.

christine  posted on  2011-11-20   23:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: christine (#64)

Oh Yes. You also need to read where RR was involved in same child trafficking on another case where a MK survivor mentions him as one of her handlers in her book "Trans:Formation of America" by Cathy O'Brien. She has sworn testimony dating back to August of 1977 where she testified before U.S. Congress, on this entirety.

This is why sunlight is the best infectant. Witnesses may risk be charged with "perjury" for trying to tell their story on this case which is why a national demand to repeal The National Security Act of 1947 needs to be put on the desk for members of Congress to review. Stories of child trafficking of this kind are still ongoing! And the johns unnamed in these cases are very high profile people from the White House to the Princes of Saudi Arabia.

purplerose  posted on  2011-11-20   23:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Lod (#62)

We need a Grand Jury of independent citizens to look into these matters.

I agree. After watching the video I posted, I noticed when the case was filed in court, and testimony began, the transcripts did not match the taped recording of the proceedings. Pertinent information was omitted on the transcript. In other words, the courtreporter or whomever was in charge of maintaining the court records, tampered with the transcript before it could reach the Grand Jury.

purplerose  posted on  2011-11-20   23:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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