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Title: 19 true things generals can't say in public about the Afghan war
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URL Source: http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/post ... elpful_primer?wpisrc=obnetwork
Published: Nov 25, 2011
Author: Thomas E. Ricks
Post Date: 2011-11-25 08:02:37 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 203
Comments: 8

As a public service, Best Defense is offering this primer for generals on their way to Afghanistan.

Here is a list of 19 things that many insiders and veterans of Afghanistan agree to be true about the war there, but that generals can't say in public. So, general, read this now and believe it later-but keep your lip zipped. Maybe even keep a printout in your wallet and review before interviews.

My list of things to remember I can't say

Pakistan is now an enemy of the United States.

We don't know why we are here, what we are fighting for, or how to know if we are winning.

The strategy is to fight, talk, and build. But we're withdrawing the fighters, the Taliban won't talk, and the builders are corrupt.

Karzai's family is especially corrupt.

We want President Karzai gone but we don't have a Pushtun successor handy.

But the problem isn't corruption, it is which corrupt people are getting the dollars. We have to help corruption be more fair.

Another thing we'll never stop here is the drug traffic, so the counternarcotics mission is probably a waste of time and resources that just alienates a swath of Afghans.

Making this a NATO mission hurt, not helped. Most NATO countries are just going through the motions in Afghanistan as the price necessary to keep the US in Europe

Yes, the exit deadline is killing us.

Even if you got a deal with the Taliban, it wouldn't end the fighting.

The Taliban may be willing to fight forever. We are not.

Yes, we are funding the Taliban, but hey, there's no way to stop it, because the truck companies bringing goods from Pakistan and up the highway across Afghanistan have to pay off the Taliban. So yeah, your tax dollars are helping Mullah Omar and his buddies. Welcome to the neighborhood.

Even non-Taliban Afghans don't much like us.

Afghans didn't get the memo about all our successes, so they are positioning themselves for the post-American civil war .

And they're not the only ones getting ready. The future of Afghanistan is probably evolving up north now as the Indians, Russians and Pakistanis jockey with old Northern Alliance types. Interestingly, we're paying more and getting less than any other player.

Speaking of positioning for the post-American civil war, why would the Pakistanis sell out their best proxy shock troops now?

The ANA and ANP could break the day after we leave the country.

We are ignoring the advisory effort and fighting the "big war" with American troops, just as we did in Vietnam. And the U.S. military won't act any differently until and work with the Afghan forces seriously until when American politicians significantly draw down U.S. forces in country-when it may be too damn late.

The situation American faces in Afghanistan is similar to the one it faced in Vietnam during the Nixon presidency: A desire a leave and turn over the war to our local allies, combined with the realization that our allies may still lose, and the loss will be viewed as a U.S. defeat anyway.

Thanks to several people who contributed to this, from California to Kunar and back to DC, and whose names must not be mentioned! You know who you are. The rest of you, look at the guy sitting to your right.


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We don't know why we are here, what we are fighting for... Aw come on, as a general you can't be so stupid as not to know Israel regarded the Taliban as an enemy because they were allowing Arab fighters to train there in preparation for liberating Palestine from Israeli terrorist thieves. And that in order for US politicians to get elected they needed the support of the Israeli lobby, campaign support that would be assured if the President and Congress undertook to fight Israel's enemies.

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#3. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Pakistan is now an enemy of the United States.

Actually, Pakistan was an enemy of the US long before this war. As of 8:44 AM, EST, Sept. 11th 2001, the US govt had Pakistan on several blacklists to stop foreign aid and trade because of Pakistan's nuclear saber rattling, its ongoing war with India, its support of terrorism, and some other reasons. Within 48 hours or so, the Bush Administration decided that it absolutely must make nice with Pakistan in order to invade Afghanistan and, suddenly, Pakistan was off all the blacklists and approved to get tons of foreign aid and anything else it wanted.

The effect was that Pakistan was the one country that really benefited from the attack on the WTC. The Pakistan govt also vetoed the participation of either India or Israel in our war against Bin Laden -- both countries had volunteered experienced and highly motivated troops to our cause, but the Pakis forbade their participation. The result was our very heavy dependence on the Pakistani Army, an ally that fought with one hand and kept the other hand in our pockets. It wasn't such a coincidence that Bin Laden was gotten only when we kept the entire operation a secret from the Pakis.

Shoonra  posted on  2011-11-25   14:42:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Shoonra (#3)

It wasn't such a coincidence that Bin Laden was gotten only when we kept the entire operation a secret from the Pakis.

Except that Bin Laden was already dead and had been for years. If they really did get him then why the alleged "burial at sea"? And they tell us, or have, over and over on the hallucination box that it takes days, even weeks, to get DNA analysis done, yet your hero (the Kenyan) informed the gullible and naive that they had proven through DNA analysis (and in just a few hours at that) that they killed Bin Laden. Uh huh.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-11-25   16:02:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

Actually, with the very advanced equipment of the CIA, which is probably considerably flashier than a regular hospital's lab, a DNA match can be done "overnight". The announcement about the DNA match was made more than a day after the raid. The CIA already had the DNA of some Bin Laden relatives, so part of the work was already done.

articles.latimes.com/2011...laden-conspiracy-20110503

Shoonra  posted on  2011-11-25   22:53:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Shoonra (#5) (Edited)

And how many impossible things do you believe before breakfast? Since the man was already dead and had been for close to a decade it really doesn't make much difference what kind of nifty dna tests the CIA has. If it had actually been Bin Laden--and I don't believe it for a minute--then why the "burial at sea"? Pretty convenient for people who want to hide things, don't you think?

Osama Bin Laden Has Been Dead For Years

Chris | InformationLiberation

Now that Osama's dead body is being trotted out to boost Obama's approval ratings, er, because he was just killed in a raid or some nonsense, it's worth taking a look back at the researchers who concluded Osama bin Laden died years ago. David Ray Griffin wrote an entire book about it. Mike Rivero also wrote the article "Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government," where he cited numerous heads of state, CIA agents, intelligence officials, etc. who all concluded Osama has been dead for years.

Here's a run down of some of the evidence detailed in David Ray Griffin's book from an article he wrote in October, 2009.:

Objective Evidence that Bin Laden is Dead

The objective evidence includes the following facts:

First, up until mid-December 13, 2001, the CIA had regularly been intercepting messages between bin Laden and his people. At that time, however, the messages suddenly stopped, and the CIA has never again intercepted a message.

Second, on December 26, 2001, a leading Pakistani newspaper published a story reporting that bin Laden had died in mid-December, adding:

“A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement . . . stated . . . that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial.”

Third, bin Laden had kidney disease. He had been treated for it in the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001, at which time he reportedly ordered two dialysis machines to take home. If you have ever wondered what bin Laden was doing the night before the 9/11 attacks, CBS News reported that he was being given kidney dialysis treatment in a hospital in Pakistan. And in January of 2001, Dr. Sanjay Gupta said – based on a video of bin Laden that had been made in either late November or early December of 2001 – that he appeared to be in the last stages of kidney failure.

Fourth, In July of 2002, CNN reported that bin Laden’s bodyguards had been captured in February of that year, adding: “Sources believe that if the bodyguards were captured away from bin Laden, it is likely the most-wanted man in the world is dead.”

Fifth, the United States has since 2001 offered a $25 million reward for any information leading to the capture or killing of bin Laden. But this reward offer has produced no such information, even though Pakistan has many desperately poor people, only about half of whom have been supportive of bin Laden.

Testimonial Evidence that Bin Laden Is Dead

In addition to this objective evidence, we had considerable testimony in 2002, from people in position to know, that bin Laden was dead, or probably so. These people included:

• President Musharraf of Pakistan;

• Dale Watson, the head of the FBI’s counterterrorism unit;

• Oliver North, who said: “I'm certain that Osama is dead. . . And so are all the other guys I stay in touch with”;

• President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan;

• Sources within Israeli intelligence, who said that any new messages from bin Laden were “probably fabrications”;

• Sources within Pakistani intelligence, who “confirmed the death of . . . Osama Bin Laden” and “attributed the reasons behind Washington's hiding news on the death of Osama Bin Laden to the desire of the hawks of the American administration to use the issue of al-Qaida and international terrorism to invade Iraq.”

For this reason, perhaps, the stories about the demise of bin Laden largely came to an end in the latter part of 2002, when the United States was gearing up for its attack on Iraq. From then until now, there have been few such stories.

Recently, however, two former intelligence officers have spoken out. In October 2008, former CIA case officer Robert Baer suggested in passing during an interview on National Public Radio that bin Laden was no longer among the living. When Baer was asked about this, he said: “Of course he’s dead.”

In March of 2009, former Foreign Service officer Angelo Codevilla published an essay in the American Spectator entitled “Osama bin Elvis.” Explaining his title, Codevilla wrote: “Seven years after Osama bin Laden's last verifiable appearance among the living, there is more evidence for Elvis's presence among us than for his.”

This is an excellent article, with only one serious flaw. In 2007, Benazir Bhutto, being interviewed by David Frost, referred to Omar Sheikh as “the man who murdered Osama bin Laden.” Codevilla cited this statement as further evidence that bin Laden is dead. But Bhutto had simply misspoken: She had meant to say “the man who murdered Daniel Pearl,” which is the standard way of referring to Omar Sheikh. That she misspoke was shown the next day, when she told CNN: “I don’t think General Musharaf personally knows where Osama bin Laden is.” Ten days later, speaking to NPR, she reported having asked a policeman assigned to guard her house: “Shouldn’t you be looking for Osama bin Laden?” This flaw aside, Codevilla’s article provides good support for his claim that the widespread belief in bin Laden’s continued existence is not backed up by evidence.

The evidence Osama has been dead for years is overwhelming, people have been predicting for years his dead body was going to be trotted out as part of some PR stunt. Absent the presentation of some overwhelmingly compelling evidence to the contrary, it looks like that's what we're witnessing right now.

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