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Title: Abuse victim claims Penn State pedophilia predates Sandusky, current scandal by decades
Source: NY Daily News
URL Source: http://articles.nydailynews.com/201 ... ate-professor-abuse-man-claims
Published: Nov 27, 2011
Author: LARRY MCSHANE
Post Date: 2011-11-27 00:19:01 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Pedophelia, Sandusky, Penn State, censored reference to Pe** Sta
Views: 3315
Comments: 66

Abuse victim claims Penn State pedophilia predates  Sandusky, current scandal by decades 

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#1. To: Original_Intent (#0)

In 2006, the professor — without admitting any wrongdoing — reached an out-of-court settlement with McLaughlin in a lawsuit filed by the purported victim.

I guess that is why the tapes weren't released.

But why did he not send this to LEO? Why the university? Not that LEO would have done anything about it, since they let Sandusky rape kids for all these years. But still it is a LE matter.

That doesn't make sense to me. Unless it was because of a statute of limitations.

Looks like the pedos were well entrenched at Pedd St. These professors act like catholic priests.

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-27   6:34:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Also, the question you asked last week stuck with me because I had the same question. Who was the "single officer" who was initially assigned to investigate the pervs & did nothing. What was his name, & where is he now.

Artisan  posted on  2011-11-27   11:03:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Also, the question you asked last week stuck with me because I had the same question. Who was the "single officer" who was initially assigned to investigate the pervs & did nothing. What was his name, & where is he now.

From the NY Times:

the two men identified by prosecutors as the police officers who worked on the case, Schreffler and Ralph Ralston, and the investigator with the state welfare department, Gerald Lauro, who was charged with determining if a child had been harmed.

Schreffler — who appears to have been the lead detective, and who interviewed Sandusky — refused to comment when reached at his home in Bellefonte, Pa. He has retired from the campus police force and works at least part time for a security firm in Baltimore, according to his former wife.

“I’ve got nothing to say,” Schreffler said Tuesday night.

Schreffler’s current wife, Laurel, reached Wednesday, said, “I’m sorry, I’m not allowed to talk.”

In an interview this week, Ralston, who said he worked for the local State College police force, insisted he played only a peripheral role in the investigation. He said his role was merely to make sure that campus police had access to the boy, who Ralston said lived in his jurisdiction.

“I can’t even remember anything about it,” Ralston said.

He said he never followed up with campus police or child welfare authorities to find out the conclusion of their investigations.

“I didn’t think any more of it until I read the report over the weekend,” he said of the attorney general’s charges against Sandusky and other university officials. “There was stuff in there I never heard before.”

Lauro, the investigator for the state welfare department in 1998, said he was aware during the investigation that Sandusky was a prominent local figure, but that it did not affect his work.

“Was he a high-profile person?” Lauro asked. “I’d have to be stupid to tell you no. Everybody knew him.”

At the time of his investigation, Lauro said, all the child said was that Sandusky showered with him, and it made him uncomfortable. Lauro said he didn’t feel that was enough to substantiate a sexual-abuse complaint.

Lauro suggested that the child, now grown, had told the grand jury convened by the attorney general a much more explicit account.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   11:16:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

thanks for the info. Gerald Lauro & PA Child services" seem to have a very peculiar barometer of what inappropriate is. I wonder if today, 2011, PA child serviices still maintains that adults & children showering together is normal? Damn great headline

Artisan  posted on  2011-11-27   11:24:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I feel certain the problems here extend nationwide.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   11:39:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

true, but what I see here is an opportunity for a devastating PR blow to the state, aside from the football hacks. If PA socialists had done their job who knows how many thousands of molestations couldve been prevented. But no, they condoned it.

Artisan  posted on  2011-11-27   12:06:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ever read stories of abuse like this that goes on in small towns for example? i have read numerous ones in Texas.

christine  posted on  2011-11-27   12:16:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ever read stories of abuse like this that goes on in small towns for example? i have read numerous ones in Texas.

There are plenty of pervs to go around. Sadly that does not surprise me, and the Jehovah's Witlesses are notorious for covering it up within their groups.

What makes this case different is that the lid has been blown off and it was not just one perv sidling up to a child. It was the use of a major local charitable group to create a front for pedophiles - and apparently some powerful and well heeled ones - who have the ability to make DA's "disappear". While I do not condone it in any case this appears to have been an organized operation that extended beyond Sandusky, and it was covered over and buried by adults who were more concerned with their careers, the money, etc., .... It is not just the abuse, as bad as it is, but the actions to try to cover it up and then justify the cover up.

The lack of apparent interest in doing what is right, on the part of the Pedd State fans and alumni, does not reflect well on them and the opprobrium it has brought about appears well earned.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   15:03:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

who have the ability to make DA's "disappear".

Who are the "who" you are referring to?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   15:11:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

who have the ability to make DA's "disappear".

Who are the "who" you are referring to?

If I knew I would say. I am simply making an inference. In the case of the DA it could have been another case, but the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests he was whacked. If, as I suspect and the rumors indicate, that the Second (s)Mile was being used as a feeder for other peds with high level big money connections then that provides a motive for silencing a too inquisitive DA. Like in any kind of detective work you have to start with the best theories that explain the available evidence and then dig for more evidence to either confirm or disprove the theory.

What is so troubling here has been the apparent active disinterest of a lot of people to start turning over rocks to see what scuttles out.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   15:22:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

In the case of the DA it could have been another case, but the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests he was whacked.

Consider this, keeping in mind Occam's razor;

1) There was a known family history of suicide. Gricar’s brother, Roy, committed suicide. Roy Gricar suffered from serious depression, which can be genetic. Police and family members noted that the location where Ray’s vehicle was found – adjacent to two bridges over the Susquehanna River – bore some similarities to the location where the vehicle of Roy Gricar, was located before his body was found in the Great Miami River in Ohio in 1996.

2) Ray Gricar had a previous disappearance. While in his capacity as DA, he went AWOL for three? days, surfacing in Cleveland only to say he wanted to see his beloved Indians play baseball.

3) IIRC, at the time it was reported that Gricar’s demeanor in the weeks prior to his disappearance had changed. This came from his co-workers, people who knew him, and a member of the press that talked to him a month before; his girlfriend and housemate noted that he napping more. That could be a symptom of depression.

4) Had/if he was “disappeared” why would a presumably highly skilled team snatch him, but leave behind his laptop and hard drive where they both would eventually discovered? And in a nearby river no less? Surly the abductors would expect the river would be the first place to be searched. My experience leads me to believe it would leave the scene with Gricar.

EDIT:

5) Gricar's new car was titled in his g/f name alone. This could suggest a degree of "estate planning."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   16:21:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There was a known family history of suicide. Gricar’s brother, Roy, committed suicide. Roy Gricar suffered from serious depression, which can be genetic.

Unsupported assertion. There is not one scrap, iota, smidgin, bit, or crumb of evidence to support that ANY emotional attitude, tone, or behavior is in any way connected to genetics. That is merely an assertion with no supporting evidence.

Ray Gricar had a previous disappearance. While in his capacity as DA, he went AWOL for three? days, surfacing in Cleveland only to say he wanted to see his beloved Indians play baseball.

And that proves what? That he was an Indians fan? Citing it, absent any other evidence to establish any linkage or relationship, is simply a means of trying to confuse and create an impression where evidence is lacking to establish any connection.

IIRC, at the time it was reported that Gricar’s demeanor in the weeks prior to his disappearance had changed. This came from his co-workers, people who knew him, and a member of the press that talked to him a month before; his girlfriend and housemate noted that he napping more. That could be a symptom of depression.

Key words: "Could be". It could also be the behavior of a man who had received a credible death threat.

Had/if he was “disappeared” why would a presumably highly skilled team snatch him, but leave behind his laptop and hard drive where they both would eventually discovered?

When the laptop was recovered TWO MONTHS LATER its hard drive had been removed. Divers thoroughly searched the bridge area nearest where his car was found and were not able to find it. It turned up downstream in a mud bank under a bridge well after the body had been recovered. Gee do you think someone could, just hypothetically mind you, kind of, uhmm, err, ahh, dropped it from the bridge later?

The hard drive was recovered even later and separately i.e., it was NOT in the laptop. It had been wiped completely clean. Anyone who knows computers will tell you that does not happen by accident. When you erase a file, or drive, what the computer does is simply remove the pointers to the data. Then new data is simply written over the top. While there are now tools that will rewrite the disk with all ones and zeros even that is not fool proof as a good forensics man can still recover something, and the drive is not unreadable - it just reads all ones and zeros. While even if it had been in the water a good forensics man should have been able to recover something. Water does not erase magnetic media. Even if the mechanism was irreparably damaged the disk assembly could be cleaned up and placed in another housing and then read. However, there was no data to be recovered. That is an interesting datum. While nothing proves nothing the total absence of anything suggests very strongly that disk had been professionally wiped by someone who knew what they were doing - OR a blank disk assembly was inserted in place of the data bearing one before the hard drive was planted to be found.

It is also interesting what he didn't take with him i.e., his cell phone was discovered in the car. So, he leaves the much smaller cell phone behind and caries away his laptop, removes the drive after having it professionally wiped, and then jumps in the river with it. Yup, that definitely conforms to Occam's Razor. Makes sense to me. People do that every day don't they? That is jump off of bridges after removing the wiped hard drive from their laptop while leaving their cell phone behind?

While I can't rule out suicide neither does the evidence support it. The appearances are more that of a professional hit where the people doing it were well skilled. The hard drive wipe suggests someone was trying to eliminate evidence or knowledge of something. No, the evidence is not conclusive, but other than trying to dredge up his brother there is nothing that clearly suggests suicide.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   17:05:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Research on the heredity of depression within families shows that some individuals are more likely to develop the illness than others. If you have a parent or sibling that has had major depression, you may be 1.5 to 3 times more likely to develop the condition than those who do not have a close relative with the condition">

Your comment,

When the laptop was recovered TWO MONTHS LATER its hard drive had been removed. Divers thoroughly searched the area where his body was found and were not able to find it. It turned up downstream in a mud bank under a bridge well after the body had been recovered. Gee do you think someone could, just hypothetically mind you, kind of, uhmm, err, ahh, dropped it from the bridge later?

What found body are you talking about?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   17:15:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What found body are you talking about?

My bad, no body was found, and I stand corrected. I should have said the bridge nearest where his car was found.

Research on the heredity of depression within families shows that some individuals are more likely to develop the illness than others. If you have a parent or sibling that has had major depression, you may be 1.5 to 3 times more likely to develop the condition than those who do not have a close relative with the condition">

Your comment,

Simply analyzing the logic one can quickly classify that assertion as junk science. Key words, MAY BE. "May be" is not science and it is not proof of a cause it is an assertion of a possible correlation. Co-incidence is not cause. Logically this is known as the fallacy of Division and it's sibling The Fallacy of Composition.

An assertion or assumption is not a fact, and asserting something does not prove a specific cause. As I pointed out to someone else that although characteristics of family members can be similar it does not prove a genetic cause nor does it represent a uniform distribution of behaviors.

Check of Proof:

John is a person
John's father is a drunk
Therefore John is drunk

or put another way

Alcoholism is hereditary
John's father was a drunk
Therefore John is a Drunk

The conclusion is unsupported and is therefore logically false. Where property "P" does not distribute uniformly throughout a population or universe.

Q.E.D.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   18:14:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My bad, no body was found, and I stand corrected.

Whoa....please don't take this personally, but if you entered this investigation not knowing this most basic fact, anything you say from this point forward regarding this matter, is, well, noise. Other than that you're a nice guy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   18:18:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

No, I was well aware of that fact. I slipped up. I have never claimed to be perfect - there are a lot facts and data bouncing around in that sometimes empty sphere.

I however stand corrected on that point but misremembering one fact does not disprove any of the other cited evidence. Neither does it disprove my logic lesson.

I can understand your looking for any chink in my armor of reason but I do try to be intellectually honest. When I slip up I admit it. It is the honorable thing to do.

I am not trying to humble you nor humiliate you, but neither will I compromise my own reality just to be agreeable.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   18:32:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I can understand your looking for any chink in my armor

Chink in your armor?

I'm afraid it's much more than that.

It impeached your entire thesis.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   18:40:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Nice try no cigar.

No, you pointed out a slip in my memory of a fact I was well aware of.

In what way does the presence or absence affect the computer, the hard drive, the fact that it was wiped so clean that there was no recoverable data, that he left no note, no warning, nothing? There is no evidence to suggest suicide. And that he carried away his laptop and removed and wiped the hard drive, but left his cell phone and keys behind in the car?

Try as you might your attempt to assert it was a suicide fails because there is no evidence to suggest it was a suicide other than trying to assert that "his brother committed suicide therefore this was a suicide". That is so weak logically and barren of evidence as to be at best a very tenuous unsupported assertion.

Neither am I maintaining that his death was a hit though I think that most likely. It is merely that the preponderance of evidence suggests, circumstantially, that as the mostly likely explanation.

Why else would someone dispose of the body leaving no trace?

Neither does the evidence prove that it was the Sandusky/Pe** State case that was the reason for the possible hit. However, the suggestion that Sandusky was supplying boys to high level well connected people does suggest a motive, particularly if he was secretly gathering evidence for a larger case, and let Sandusky walk because of that.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   18:51:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

No, you pointed out a slip in my memory of a fact I was well aware of.

You stated Gricar was found dead two times.

No sale on the slip my friend....

Now I'll leave you to redevelop another tale of mystery and intrigue, sans fact, of course.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   18:56:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How would you likely want me to write it?

Shall I avoid mentioning the magical appearance of the laptop sans hard drive two months after his disappearance?

Should I forget that the hard drive showed up later, separately, and was wiped so clean that computer forensics could recover nothing whatsoever from it? That water cannot erase magnetic media?

You stated Gricar was found dead two times.

Semantics. You are trying to conflate one item into a federal case, and all it does is turn around and support my case. Since the body was much larger than a laptop it would also have been much harder to miss.

No, the most probable explanation for the missing body is that it was never in the river. And now so much time has elapsed that it is so badly decomposed that to plant it (as the computer and hard drive likely were), if it is even accessible, would allow a good Forensic Pathologist to learn an awful lot about how Gricar actually died. It is very hard to hide a bullet hole in the head or knife driven into a vital spot, or to confuse the marks left by a garotte.

While the evidence is not definitive it very strongly suggests that he was whacked by person or persons unknown for cause or reason unknown.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   19:08:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

O_I, I like and respect you. You are an exceptionally bright guy, so obviously I'm not questioning your intellect. I am suggesting that based on both life experience and direct experience when Gricar went missing, when something isn't known, it isn't known. This changes for me *pending* additional facts. Perhaps some will be developed with the spotlight on, but I haven't a clue. For me, to argue hypotheticals and speculation is to place last in the 10 yard Special Olympics dash.

PS: The hot rumor up here w/he went missing - I never suggested suicide - was that he went into the Witness Protection Program. I didn't buy that then, nor now. If a high profile dude like Sammy "The Bull" Gravano told the feds to stuff the WPP, the very nutty, and very anonymous, Mr Gricar was in no need of it either.

All IMVHO.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   19:29:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

O_I, I like and respect you. You are an exceptionally bright guy, so obviously I'm not questioning your intellect. I am suggesting that based on both life experience and direct experience when Gricar went missing, when something isn't known, it isn't known. This changes for me *pending* additional facts. Perhaps some will be developed with the spotlight on, but I haven't a clue. For me, to argue hypotheticals and speculation is to place last in the 10 yard Special Olympics dash.

Thanks, and neither do I dislike you. I can disagree with someone without allowing that to color my opinion of them.

My sole point is that the circumstantial evidence suggests he was likely done away with, but I am a long way from asserting that as an absolute fact. Sometimes though logical inference is a useful tool and Gricar's disappearance is the kind of puzzle that I like working with. I also spent a lot of time working over the Wheeler murder - with equally ambiguous results - although I am convinced he was whacked by someone within or connected to our government.

The world is sometimes a shadowy and ambiguous place, and evidence which is insufficient to convict in court can nevertheless suggest a most likely scenario. I'm not conducting a prosecution I am just trying to make sense of what pieces of the puzzle we have and fit them together into something that looks like it might be the beginnings of a full picture.

Solving a puzzle does, sometimes, require forming a hypothesis, and I do differentiate between a hypothesis and pure speculation. Here we have just barely enough fact to form what looks like a hypothesis that might fit the facts together into a coherent picture, and that is all I maintain.

What makes it interesting is fitting it into the context of the larger picture containing the allegations that this scandal may reach much higher than Sandusky. However, again there is insufficient evidence to mount a case but there is sufficient to begin forming a hypothesis which makes sense of what we know. However, it is again not proven.

AIMMOLHO ;-)

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   19:55:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#59. To: Original_Intent (#58)

Well stated, and carry on sir!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27 20:00:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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