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Title: Abuse victim claims Penn State pedophilia predates Sandusky, current scandal by decades
Source: NY Daily News
URL Source: http://articles.nydailynews.com/201 ... ate-professor-abuse-man-claims
Published: Nov 27, 2011
Author: LARRY MCSHANE
Post Date: 2011-11-27 00:19:01 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Pedophelia, Sandusky, Penn State, censored reference to Pe** Sta
Views: 3384
Comments: 66

Abuse victim claims Penn State pedophilia predates  Sandusky, current scandal by decades 

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-11-27   12:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the money aspect of homeschooling is in regards to the fact that most families dont think they could scrape by financially with only 1 parent working. & leaves the prospect of single parent homsechoolers virtually impossible. The bankers win again!

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2011-11-27   12:59:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

men that grew up w/o dads, etc., etc., ... that don't nor ever did molest young boys.

That is not what I meant. I meant that those that grew up being molested are likely to molest others, same as those that had dads abuse the mothers end up being abusive too, etc.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-27   14:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Gerald Lauro, acting as an agent of PA govt, ruled that adults showering with children is acceptable & normal. Are Lauro & his bosses today, in 2011, showering nude with children that PA DCS steals from their parents?" Hows that for an opener? ;-)

Now this story is really starting to smell like a texas feedlot on a hot muggy august day.

Either Lauro is lying, or the accuser is lying. I wonder who is telling the truth here. Cops dont lie, right? Especially when they are trying to cover their ass(es).

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-27   14:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ever read stories of abuse like this that goes on in small towns for example? i have read numerous ones in Texas.

There are plenty of pervs to go around. Sadly that does not surprise me, and the Jehovah's Witlesses are notorious for covering it up within their groups.

What makes this case different is that the lid has been blown off and it was not just one perv sidling up to a child. It was the use of a major local charitable group to create a front for pedophiles - and apparently some powerful and well heeled ones - who have the ability to make DA's "disappear". While I do not condone it in any case this appears to have been an organized operation that extended beyond Sandusky, and it was covered over and buried by adults who were more concerned with their careers, the money, etc., .... It is not just the abuse, as bad as it is, but the actions to try to cover it up and then justify the cover up.

The lack of apparent interest in doing what is right, on the part of the Pedd State fans and alumni, does not reflect well on them and the opprobrium it has brought about appears well earned.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   15:03:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

On a side note, if this was a hot female teacher, we would not be seeing the outrage from men associated with this story.

What is a calorie? Calories are the little bastards that get into your wardrobe at night and sew your clothes tighter... MY CLOSET IS INFESTED WITH THE LITTLE SHITS.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-11-27   15:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't envy anyone raising children today, anywhere in this pig sty of a nation.

We wonder all but daily if the Tyranny/pigs are going to prevent us from finishing home-schooling our kids. There are so many false perceptions out there about home-schooling.

And those false perceptions have been carefully planted and repeated. The establishment/Psych power structure does not like home schooling because it shows up just how bad the publik skools are. That is one of the reasons they keep looking for ways to keep home schooled kids out of such as the National Spelling and Math Bees - because home schoolers are winning them. And given the very small percentage of kids being home schooled that is a powerful indictment of the skool systum.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   15:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

who have the ability to make DA's "disappear".

Who are the "who" you are referring to?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   15:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#34, agree here.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   15:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

On a side note, if this was a hot female teacher, we would not be seeing the outrage from men associated with this story.

Depends on the age of the kid. A teen would be one thing and a ten year old another. However, I'm not aware of any organized pedophile rings of hot female teachers using a charity as a front. Are you? Sandusky seems to have had a taste for young boys. Big difference. While the hot female teacher may well have a loose screw it is hetero not homo. Nevertheless an adult preying on a child is not acceptable. We had a former governor chased out of the state because it came out that he'd been screwing a neighbor's 14 year old daughter. The local establishment, including the Whoregonian Newspaper, remained mute until it was exposed by smaller press operations.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   15:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yes age has a lot to do with it as does orientation though I'm sure if you asked Sandusky he would say he is not homo and actually believe it.

What is a calorie? Calories are the little bastards that get into your wardrobe at night and sew your clothes tighter... MY CLOSET IS INFESTED WITH THE LITTLE SHITS.

farmfriend  posted on  2011-11-27   15:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

who have the ability to make DA's "disappear".

Who are the "who" you are referring to?

If I knew I would say. I am simply making an inference. In the case of the DA it could have been another case, but the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests he was whacked. If, as I suspect and the rumors indicate, that the Second (s)Mile was being used as a feeder for other peds with high level big money connections then that provides a motive for silencing a too inquisitive DA. Like in any kind of detective work you have to start with the best theories that explain the available evidence and then dig for more evidence to either confirm or disprove the theory.

What is so troubling here has been the apparent active disinterest of a lot of people to start turning over rocks to see what scuttles out.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   15:22:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yes age has a lot to do with it as does orientation though I'm sure if you asked Sandusky he would say he is not homo and actually believe it.

It would appear he has a lot of other mistaken apprehensions as well.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   15:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In the case of the DA it could have been another case, but the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests he was whacked.

Consider this, keeping in mind Occam's razor;

1) There was a known family history of suicide. Gricar’s brother, Roy, committed suicide. Roy Gricar suffered from serious depression, which can be genetic. Police and family members noted that the location where Ray’s vehicle was found – adjacent to two bridges over the Susquehanna River – bore some similarities to the location where the vehicle of Roy Gricar, was located before his body was found in the Great Miami River in Ohio in 1996.

2) Ray Gricar had a previous disappearance. While in his capacity as DA, he went AWOL for three? days, surfacing in Cleveland only to say he wanted to see his beloved Indians play baseball.

3) IIRC, at the time it was reported that Gricar’s demeanor in the weeks prior to his disappearance had changed. This came from his co-workers, people who knew him, and a member of the press that talked to him a month before; his girlfriend and housemate noted that he napping more. That could be a symptom of depression.

4) Had/if he was “disappeared” why would a presumably highly skilled team snatch him, but leave behind his laptop and hard drive where they both would eventually discovered? And in a nearby river no less? Surly the abductors would expect the river would be the first place to be searched. My experience leads me to believe it would leave the scene with Gricar.

EDIT:

5) Gricar's new car was titled in his g/f name alone. This could suggest a degree of "estate planning."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   16:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There was a known family history of suicide. Gricar’s brother, Roy, committed suicide. Roy Gricar suffered from serious depression, which can be genetic.

Unsupported assertion. There is not one scrap, iota, smidgin, bit, or crumb of evidence to support that ANY emotional attitude, tone, or behavior is in any way connected to genetics. That is merely an assertion with no supporting evidence.

Ray Gricar had a previous disappearance. While in his capacity as DA, he went AWOL for three? days, surfacing in Cleveland only to say he wanted to see his beloved Indians play baseball.

And that proves what? That he was an Indians fan? Citing it, absent any other evidence to establish any linkage or relationship, is simply a means of trying to confuse and create an impression where evidence is lacking to establish any connection.

IIRC, at the time it was reported that Gricar’s demeanor in the weeks prior to his disappearance had changed. This came from his co-workers, people who knew him, and a member of the press that talked to him a month before; his girlfriend and housemate noted that he napping more. That could be a symptom of depression.

Key words: "Could be". It could also be the behavior of a man who had received a credible death threat.

Had/if he was “disappeared” why would a presumably highly skilled team snatch him, but leave behind his laptop and hard drive where they both would eventually discovered?

When the laptop was recovered TWO MONTHS LATER its hard drive had been removed. Divers thoroughly searched the bridge area nearest where his car was found and were not able to find it. It turned up downstream in a mud bank under a bridge well after the body had been recovered. Gee do you think someone could, just hypothetically mind you, kind of, uhmm, err, ahh, dropped it from the bridge later?

The hard drive was recovered even later and separately i.e., it was NOT in the laptop. It had been wiped completely clean. Anyone who knows computers will tell you that does not happen by accident. When you erase a file, or drive, what the computer does is simply remove the pointers to the data. Then new data is simply written over the top. While there are now tools that will rewrite the disk with all ones and zeros even that is not fool proof as a good forensics man can still recover something, and the drive is not unreadable - it just reads all ones and zeros. While even if it had been in the water a good forensics man should have been able to recover something. Water does not erase magnetic media. Even if the mechanism was irreparably damaged the disk assembly could be cleaned up and placed in another housing and then read. However, there was no data to be recovered. That is an interesting datum. While nothing proves nothing the total absence of anything suggests very strongly that disk had been professionally wiped by someone who knew what they were doing - OR a blank disk assembly was inserted in place of the data bearing one before the hard drive was planted to be found.

It is also interesting what he didn't take with him i.e., his cell phone was discovered in the car. So, he leaves the much smaller cell phone behind and caries away his laptop, removes the drive after having it professionally wiped, and then jumps in the river with it. Yup, that definitely conforms to Occam's Razor. Makes sense to me. People do that every day don't they? That is jump off of bridges after removing the wiped hard drive from their laptop while leaving their cell phone behind?

While I can't rule out suicide neither does the evidence support it. The appearances are more that of a professional hit where the people doing it were well skilled. The hard drive wipe suggests someone was trying to eliminate evidence or knowledge of something. No, the evidence is not conclusive, but other than trying to dredge up his brother there is nothing that clearly suggests suicide.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   17:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Research on the heredity of depression within families shows that some individuals are more likely to develop the illness than others. If you have a parent or sibling that has had major depression, you may be 1.5 to 3 times more likely to develop the condition than those who do not have a close relative with the condition">

Your comment,

When the laptop was recovered TWO MONTHS LATER its hard drive had been removed. Divers thoroughly searched the area where his body was found and were not able to find it. It turned up downstream in a mud bank under a bridge well after the body had been recovered. Gee do you think someone could, just hypothetically mind you, kind of, uhmm, err, ahh, dropped it from the bridge later?

What found body are you talking about?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   17:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Bump to #43

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   17:39:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Bump to #43, second request.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   17:57:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What found body are you talking about?

My bad, no body was found, and I stand corrected. I should have said the bridge nearest where his car was found.

Research on the heredity of depression within families shows that some individuals are more likely to develop the illness than others. If you have a parent or sibling that has had major depression, you may be 1.5 to 3 times more likely to develop the condition than those who do not have a close relative with the condition">

Your comment,

Simply analyzing the logic one can quickly classify that assertion as junk science. Key words, MAY BE. "May be" is not science and it is not proof of a cause it is an assertion of a possible correlation. Co-incidence is not cause. Logically this is known as the fallacy of Division and it's sibling The Fallacy of Composition.

An assertion or assumption is not a fact, and asserting something does not prove a specific cause. As I pointed out to someone else that although characteristics of family members can be similar it does not prove a genetic cause nor does it represent a uniform distribution of behaviors.

Check of Proof:

John is a person
John's father is a drunk
Therefore John is drunk

or put another way

Alcoholism is hereditary
John's father was a drunk
Therefore John is a Drunk

The conclusion is unsupported and is therefore logically false. Where property "P" does not distribute uniformly throughout a population or universe.

Q.E.D.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   18:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My bad, no body was found, and I stand corrected.

Whoa....please don't take this personally, but if you entered this investigation not knowing this most basic fact, anything you say from this point forward regarding this matter, is, well, noise. Other than that you're a nice guy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   18:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, I was well aware of that fact. I slipped up. I have never claimed to be perfect - there are a lot facts and data bouncing around in that sometimes empty sphere.

I however stand corrected on that point but misremembering one fact does not disprove any of the other cited evidence. Neither does it disprove my logic lesson.

I can understand your looking for any chink in my armor of reason but I do try to be intellectually honest. When I slip up I admit it. It is the honorable thing to do.

I am not trying to humble you nor humiliate you, but neither will I compromise my own reality just to be agreeable.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   18:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As a footnote the absence of a body actually supports my contention that it was likely a hit not a suicide as no body has ever been found, and yet both his laptop and the hard drive which had been removed and wiped clean showed up in the river. A dead body, unless weighted down, will eventually bloat up, surface, and likely wash ashore. And there were divers looking for it.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   18:36:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I can understand your looking for any chink in my armor

Chink in your armor?

I'm afraid it's much more than that.

It impeached your entire thesis.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   18:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nice try no cigar.

No, you pointed out a slip in my memory of a fact I was well aware of.

In what way does the presence or absence affect the computer, the hard drive, the fact that it was wiped so clean that there was no recoverable data, that he left no note, no warning, nothing? There is no evidence to suggest suicide. And that he carried away his laptop and removed and wiped the hard drive, but left his cell phone and keys behind in the car?

Try as you might your attempt to assert it was a suicide fails because there is no evidence to suggest it was a suicide other than trying to assert that "his brother committed suicide therefore this was a suicide". That is so weak logically and barren of evidence as to be at best a very tenuous unsupported assertion.

Neither am I maintaining that his death was a hit though I think that most likely. It is merely that the preponderance of evidence suggests, circumstantially, that as the mostly likely explanation.

Why else would someone dispose of the body leaving no trace?

Neither does the evidence prove that it was the Sandusky/Pe** State case that was the reason for the possible hit. However, the suggestion that Sandusky was supplying boys to high level well connected people does suggest a motive, particularly if he was secretly gathering evidence for a larger case, and let Sandusky walk because of that.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   18:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, you pointed out a slip in my memory of a fact I was well aware of.

You stated Gricar was found dead two times.

No sale on the slip my friend....

Now I'll leave you to redevelop another tale of mystery and intrigue, sans fact, of course.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   18:56:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

How would you likely want me to write it?

Shall I avoid mentioning the magical appearance of the laptop sans hard drive two months after his disappearance?

Should I forget that the hard drive showed up later, separately, and was wiped so clean that computer forensics could recover nothing whatsoever from it? That water cannot erase magnetic media?

You stated Gricar was found dead two times.

Semantics. You are trying to conflate one item into a federal case, and all it does is turn around and support my case. Since the body was much larger than a laptop it would also have been much harder to miss.

No, the most probable explanation for the missing body is that it was never in the river. And now so much time has elapsed that it is so badly decomposed that to plant it (as the computer and hard drive likely were), if it is even accessible, would allow a good Forensic Pathologist to learn an awful lot about how Gricar actually died. It is very hard to hide a bullet hole in the head or knife driven into a vital spot, or to confuse the marks left by a garotte.

While the evidence is not definitive it very strongly suggests that he was whacked by person or persons unknown for cause or reason unknown.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   19:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

O_I, I like and respect you. You are an exceptionally bright guy, so obviously I'm not questioning your intellect. I am suggesting that based on both life experience and direct experience when Gricar went missing, when something isn't known, it isn't known. This changes for me *pending* additional facts. Perhaps some will be developed with the spotlight on, but I haven't a clue. For me, to argue hypotheticals and speculation is to place last in the 10 yard Special Olympics dash.

PS: The hot rumor up here w/he went missing - I never suggested suicide - was that he went into the Witness Protection Program. I didn't buy that then, nor now. If a high profile dude like Sammy "The Bull" Gravano told the feds to stuff the WPP, the very nutty, and very anonymous, Mr Gricar was in no need of it either.

All IMVHO.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   19:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-11-27   19:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-11-27   19:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-11-27   19:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

O_I, I like and respect you. You are an exceptionally bright guy, so obviously I'm not questioning your intellect. I am suggesting that based on both life experience and direct experience when Gricar went missing, when something isn't known, it isn't known. This changes for me *pending* additional facts. Perhaps some will be developed with the spotlight on, but I haven't a clue. For me, to argue hypotheticals and speculation is to place last in the 10 yard Special Olympics dash.

Thanks, and neither do I dislike you. I can disagree with someone without allowing that to color my opinion of them.

My sole point is that the circumstantial evidence suggests he was likely done away with, but I am a long way from asserting that as an absolute fact. Sometimes though logical inference is a useful tool and Gricar's disappearance is the kind of puzzle that I like working with. I also spent a lot of time working over the Wheeler murder - with equally ambiguous results - although I am convinced he was whacked by someone within or connected to our government.

The world is sometimes a shadowy and ambiguous place, and evidence which is insufficient to convict in court can nevertheless suggest a most likely scenario. I'm not conducting a prosecution I am just trying to make sense of what pieces of the puzzle we have and fit them together into something that looks like it might be the beginnings of a full picture.

Solving a puzzle does, sometimes, require forming a hypothesis, and I do differentiate between a hypothesis and pure speculation. Here we have just barely enough fact to form what looks like a hypothesis that might fit the facts together into a coherent picture, and that is all I maintain.

What makes it interesting is fitting it into the context of the larger picture containing the allegations that this scandal may reach much higher than Sandusky. However, again there is insufficient evidence to mount a case but there is sufficient to begin forming a hypothesis which makes sense of what we know. However, it is again not proven.

AIMMOLHO ;-)

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   19:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well stated, and carry on sir!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-11-27   20:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you worthy sir. ;-)

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-27   20:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, I have to believe that the real reason why they hate it is because they cannot influence the childrens' morality nearly as much as parents that homeschool are far more likely to be vigilant to monitor their kids' moral influences and stimuli much more than other parents.

I don't disagree. That is one of the points of what is called "Values Clarification" in the Publik Skools. It is to denigrate those values which we have in the past called right and wrong.

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According to authorities like Beverly Eakman, director of the National Education Consortium, and Tom DeWeese of the American Policy Foundation, the underlying concept of “values clarification” is to break down the morals and values children have acquired in the course of growing up, teach them that there is no set “right” and “wrong”, and have them chart their own values based on personal feelings and opinions. The same concepts underlie “outcome-based” or “performance-based” education which stresses psychological objectives such as relationships, self-esteem and refusal skills, instead of academics.

William Kilpatrick, author of Why Johnny Can’t Tell Right from Wrong, states that the psychological-values training emphasizes “feelings, personal growth, and a totally nonjudgmental attitude.” However, “no time is spent providing moral guidance or forming character. The virtues are not explained or discussed, no models of good behavior are provided, no reason is given why a boy or girl should want to be good in the first place.” Kilpatrick states that the kids “come away with the impression that even the most basic values are matters of dispute.”

There's a reason why the Dept. of Edumacation was created, and it had absolutely nothing to do with true education any more than most departments/agencies actually serve their own namesakes either.

It ought be called the Dept. of Psych Warfare against children. Charlotte Iserbyt has written a lot about the realities of it after having worked there. That is why there is so much resistance to doing away with it as it is aimed at control not education.

"This is the idea where we drop subject matter and we drop Carnegie Unites (grading from A-F) and we just let students find their way, keeping them in school until they manifest the politically correct attitudes. You see, one of the effects of self-esteem (Values Clarification) programs is that you are no longer obliged to tell the truth if you don’t feel like it. You don’t have to tell the truth because if the truth you have to tell is about your own failure then your self-esteem will go down and that is unthinkable." Dr. William Coulson, explaining Outcome Based Education (OBE)

"What basic psychological distortion can be found in every civilization of which we know anything? The only psychological force capable of producing these perversions is morality--the concept of right and wrong. The re-interpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong are the belated objectives of nearly all psychotherapy." ~ Dr. G. Brock Chisholm, Psychiatrist, Co-Founder World Federation of Mental Health

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-28   3:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-11-28   7:53:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There's a reason why the Dept. of Edumacation was created, and it had absolutely nothing to do with true education any more than most departments/agencies actually serve their own namesakes either.

It ought be called the Dept. of Psych Warfare against children. Charlotte Iserbyt has written a lot about the realities of it after having worked there. That is why there is so much resistance to doing away with it as it is aimed at control not education. ....

"What basic psychological distortion can be found in every civilization of which we know anything? The only psychological force capable of producing these perversions is morality--the concept of right and wrong. The re-interpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong are the belated objectives of nearly all psychotherapy." ~ Dr. G. Brock Chisholm, Psychiatrist, Co-Founder World Federation of Mental Health

I was reading about him earlier today here:

George Brock Chisholm: SICKO!

Father of public school philosophy hated God, morality, and country...

“To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition, national patriotism, and religious dogmas.” —George Brock Chisholm, in a Speech given at the, Conference on Education, Asilomar, California, September 11, 1954....

Chisholm has been obsessed for years with the idea that instilling concepts of right and wrong, love of country, and morality in children by their parents is the paramount evil. In another speech, he said:

The people who have been taught to believe whatever they were told by their parents or their teachers are the people who are the menace to the world. (Speech, Conference on Education, Asilomar, California, September 11, 1954)

What besides concepts of morality and right and wrong does Dr. Chisholm consider to be a neurosis? He explains it in this speech:

Even self-defense may involve a neurotic reaction when it means defending one's own excessive wealth from others who are in need. (Psychiatry, February, 1946)

Chisholm proposes that psychotherapy be used to eradicate such neuroses as a man wishing to defend his own private property in this way:

There must be an opportunity to live reasonably comfortable for all the people in the world on economic levels which do not vary too widely either geographically or by groups within a population. This is a simple matter of redistribution of material wealth. (Mental Health and World Citizenship, International Congress on Mental Health, London, 1948, p.8)

This is the basic Marxist concept, i.e., that those who have should have it taken away. How different are Chisholm's ideas from those of America's pioneers. Had they decided on some scheme of redistribution of the wealth, all would have stayed poor and hungry, because there was no wealth.

Instead of redistributing what meager wealth was available, they conceived a system of government which safeguarded private property. Initiative was stimulated and people were encouraged to produce, and by producing, to create new wealth for themselves. In the process, all men benefited from more jobs, new products and services. In freedom, men have made more spiritual, moral, intellectual progress, and produced more material wealth for themselves and others than under any other system conceived by man.

Although honored and recognized by many as a great humanitarian, George Brock Chisholm was a wolf in sheep's clothing who despised God, morality, and the Christian family. The public school system today is controlled by evil people who have sold their souls to the Devil. Children who should be learning about their Creator are instead being brainwashed with the unproven and non-scientific THEORIES of godless Evolution. Sicko groups like GLSEN, working in the public school, are trying to turn children into homosexuals.

The Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) EXPOSED [ www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...teaching_kids_gay_sex.htm ]!.

Dr. Chisholm, Margaret Mead (the federation’s second president) and other social scientists from ten countries wrote its founding document, "Mental Health and World Citizenship" (SOURCE: "Origins of the World Federation for Mental Health"). Notice their attitude toward traditional values...

“Studies of human development indicate the modifiability of human behaviour throughout life, especially during infancy, childhood and adolescence.... The social sciences and psychiatry also offer a better understanding of the great obstacles to rapid progress in human affairs....

"Social institutions such as family and school impose their imprint early.... It is the men and women in whom these patterns of attitude and behaviour have been incorporated who present the immediate resistance to social, economic and political changes. Thus, prejudice, hostility or excessive nationalism may become deeply embedded in the developing personality... often at great human cost....

"...change will be strongly resisted unless an attitude of acceptance has first been engendered."

(SOURCE: "Mental Health and World Citizenship," founding document of the World Federation for Mental Health, pages 7 and 8. Distributed by the National Association For Mental Health, Inc., 1790 Broadway, New York 19, N.Y.).

Today, more than half a century later, that "attitude of acceptance" has been built. Nations around the world are fast conforming to the pattern set in the 1940s. The global network of "mental health" partners is working to prevent anything that would hinder "positive" collective thinking in the rising global village. Few notice its tentacles reaching into community health programs and civil society in over 130 nations around the world.

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AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-11-28   11:49:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The starting point, and it is a big read, is Charlotte Iserbyt's "Deliberate Dumbing Down of America". It is a thousand pages packed with source documents which she brought with her from her time working in the Reagan Education Department as a senior exec. Her website also has a lot of information.

The book was originally about 50 bucks but as a public service she now offers it as a free .pdf download.

She is also a conservative devout Christian.

Her website is Deliberate Dumbing Down

Gatto's book is good too but not as exhaustive and they both reach similar answers coming from opposite ends of the political spectrum - Gatto the Liberal and Iserbyt the Conservative.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-28   14:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-11-28   14:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are welcome. I don't know about it being an "easier" read as she spells it out in detail, but it is a very informative must read for anyone wanting to understand just how contrived, and intentionally dumbed down "modern" Publik Skools are.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-28   18:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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