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Title: S.1867: The hunting of America expands
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URL Source: http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/s-1867-hunting-americans/
Published: Nov 29, 2011
Author: Marti Oakley
Post Date: 2011-11-29 09:54:35 by Ada
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Comments: 14


Many of us have wondered if directed to; would our own military turn on us? It appears that this is the plan and has been all along, yet the question remains……would they actually do it if ordered to?

S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill. Senators Carl Levin (D) MI and John McCain (R) AZ, are bringing this bill to the Senate floor on

S.1867 The end of Liberty

Monday after having held secret committee meetings while never holding even one hearing on this bill which authorizes military action against US citizens, right here in the United States.

While the bill appears on the surface to be about authorizing defense funding for the illegal wars, the ongoing unwarranted surveillance of the US population and the continuing violations of the 4th Amendment as applied to US citizens, many of the provisions of the bill do not pertain to unidentifiable terrorists or any other villain carefully crafted to terrorize the country. The fact is, as a result of the false flag attacks on 9/11, we have massive numbers of police state “laws” on the books which created “terrorists” or redefined “terrorist activity” to include everything from political dissent and free speech, even including targeting of US citizens for mentioning or referencing the Constitution or supporting third party, non-approved candidates for public office.

When this bill passes with these police state provisions included (I believe it will) you can expect your senator who voted “yes” on the bill to maintain that they only did so because otherwise the funding for the wars would have ceased (we could only hope) and they have to continue to fight the terrorists, terrorism, or what ever lame excuse pops into their heads to explain why they voted to pass what is clearly a police state bill.

The bill itself was drafted in secret and I believe it would be to our benefit to know who actually drafted that bill.

Who were the “stakeholders” who actually wrote the bill introduced by these two traitorous senators. We know they didn’t write it, they never do. All bills are written by stakeholders who blow through the doors of congress carry bags of cash to buy the support of politicians who make their living selling off our rights along with anything else that isn’t nailed down.

S.1867 includes these provisions highlighted by the ACLU:

If enacted, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA would:

1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside theUnited States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.

The Washington Post of course did its part to make sure it appeared this bill was about “terrorists”, who could be held indefinitely, who could be subject to extraordinary rendition (transferred to countries like Egypt for extensive torture) and glossed over or totally avoided mentioning the fact that the provisions of this bill could be applied, and are actually intended to be applied to US citizens on US soil.

The language of the bill is intentionally very broadly written to allow later interpretations that will be used to redefine yet again, our rights, our protections, striking each one down under the false flag use of “the war of terror”.

In the last several years we have seen the militarization of our local law enforcement under the direction of Homeland Security. We now have major US cities armed with military tanks, drones, and outfitted like star wars storm troopers; all for use against US citizens in their own communities. Local law enforcement has been remade into extended military units to enable them to become a working military unit in tandem with military control. These law enforcement units have ceased operating as “protect and serve” civil service operations and instead have become direct threats to the communities which are forced to endure them. The escalating violence against the citizens, the abrogation of rights, the violation of standing laws and the protection provided to these units by the courts should have us all demanding an end to Homeland Security interference in local law enforcement activities and reverting law enforcement back to one of community protection and service.

We have seen the creation of the White House Rural Council along with other newly created agencies that all include the military as part of their structure. This is no accident. There is no plausible reason the military would be included in any Council making preparations to unlawfully enter into the states, unless military action against the citizenry was anticipated.

S.1867 is a catch all bill. Its intention is to make legal (not lawful) the crime of unlawful detention without due process. By extension, the bill would condone the practice of extraordinary rendition for the purpose of torture of US citizens who could be kidnapped from our streets without being charged with a crime, having access to the courts for redress (the bill condones the military holding tribunals outside of the US court system at its discretion) and holding US citizens indefinitely without charging them with any crime.

This bill is one of the final steps necessary in striking down any remaining Constitutional protections or rights, all under the phony war of terror being perpetrated by our own government against its own citizens. This is not a right or left, Democrat or Republican plan……they are all in it together. They will all vote for it together knowing full well that it is an assault on the people of the US.

In my opinion, it is an open declaration of war against the people by our own government.

This brings us back to the initial question:

If ordered to do so, would our own military turn on us?

It appears they would.


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:s.1867:

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being/

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on November 29, 2011 at 10:51 Amous P. hardy

I have read all of the comments with great interest, and the concensus seems to be that we (most) will be possible DIPS (Die In Place Shooting) I am a Vietnam Vet and though I am 63 years old, I remember my training, and tactics. I am armed, have food and water stored, and a plan. I may not be healthy, but my trigger finger is just fine. I cannot afford a computer and borrow my buds sometime so prob won’t see replies, but maybe he will let me know. I can say that my family, friends, and neighbors ALL are prepared just in case the SHTF. One item we all have is a copy of the BIBLE, and I must mention a pocket sized copy of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Two of my friends are cops, and they say if it comes down to it, they will simply NOT report to work. They will NOT shoot their neighbors and friends, or any US Citizen. These guys are Oath Keepers and that group of men/woman number in the millions, declared or not. Will our military and police actually harm us? History says YES. Just remember the Civil War when brother fought brother, son vs dad, etc. So yes, it could happen. It would be better to be prepared and nothing happen, than NOT be prepared and the SHTF. I am sad, and yes, afraid, because I saw war, I saw young men die horrible deaths, so pray every night at bedtime and ask God to please prevent it. Those of you who have never witnessed war may think it will be fun, or exicting, but take it from me my friend/s. “war really is hell” and we must find a way to prevent it. Maybe the next election cycle will save us? Who knows? Finally I say this with conviction “do not come onto my property uninvited, you may never leave”.

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#1. To: Ada, 4um (#0) (Edited)

If enacted, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA would:

1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside theUnited States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.

I could not even find a sec 1031

Charge #1,2,and 3 are lies. Proof below.

Here is sec 1032, which "for some odd reason" was not included in the article. Hmmm, I wonder why that is. For "some odd reason", they will tell you what the bill says, but for "some odd reason" they never include the text of the bill. It's quite mysterious why they do that. You'd almost think that they were trying to hide something.

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/qu...temp/~c112rcLbTq:e464889:

SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-

(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.

(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--

(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and

(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.

(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States. (c) Implementation Procedures-

(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.

(2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:

(A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.

(B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.

(C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.

(D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.

(E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.

(d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.

Does anyone ever bother to read these things for themselves?

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-29   11:06:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

OK Sec 1031 is under "Subtitle D--Detainee Matters" page thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/qu.../temp/~c112rcLbTq:e462417

(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks. [Except for the kikes -PSUSA]

(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

How does this apply to ordinary citizens? If you are not a (1) or a (2), how does it affect you?

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-29   11:20:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA2 (#2)

the politicians on the left & right already say that supporting or disseminating 'anti american conspiracy theories' supports alqaeda & aides 'the enemy', so its not a leap to suggest that anti corruption people are deemed terrorists.

Artisan  posted on  2011-11-29   11:33:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Artisan, PSUSA2 (#4)

Those who "question the validity of the national debt"/FEDERAL RESERVE / IRS are terrorists:

"...Don't forget, the 14th amendment said, "It's illegal to challenge the national debt!"

TOM VALENTINE: Is that right!? The 14th amendment actually makes that statement? I gotta read that again.

EUSTACE MULLINS: Oh yes. It says that it's a violation to question the validity of the national debt! In other words, you say, Tom Valentine says, "Well, they create this money out of nothing!" Well you've just committed a violation of the 14th amendment by saying that!

VALENTINE: By the way, they had a meeting of law enforcement police chiefs and so on down in "Albasqueeky", New Mexico here, a few months ago. And I've just recently heard about it. And they've listed the "terrorists". And people who oppose the federal reserve, and people who oppose the income tax, and people who oppose NAFTA, are now on the list of terrorists in this country.

MULLINS: Yeah, they call it "Constitutional terrorists". ...."

Interview with Eustace Mullins www.whale.to/b/mullins3.html

the ADL of the B'nai B'rith :

Tax Protest Movement -- Extremism in America

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/TPM.asp?xpicked=4&item=21

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-11-29   12:03:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#5)

"...Don't forget, the 14th amendment said, "It's illegal to challenge the national debt!"

TOM VALENTINE: Is that right!? The 14th amendment actually makes that statement? I gotta read that again.

EUSTACE MULLINS: Oh yes. It says that it's a violation to question the validity of the national debt! In other words, you say, Tom Valentine says, "Well, they create this money out of nothing!" Well you've just committed a violation of the 14th amendment by saying that!

Nonsense.

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-29   12:58:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: PSUSA2 (#8)

what's nonsense...that's what the amendment says.

You're either with them, or you're with the terrorists....isn't that what that satanist GWBush said?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-11-29   13:14:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)

.isn't that what that satanist GWBush said?

No, that is what the christian gwbush said.

My point, that the writer is a liar, stands. He lied, and he knows he lied because what he did was intentional, and I took the minimal amount of time to prove him a liar. It wasn't hard to do. I'm used to doing that with crap written on infowars. I've had practice.

Now you say that he was telling the truth somehow? Links to ATS and 'christian' websites are not going to prove that case.

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-29   13:50:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA2 (#11)

isn't that what that satanist GWBush said?

No, that is what the christian gwbush said.

GWBush is no Christian....he has all the markings of a satanist.

My point, that the writer is a liar, stands. He lied, and he knows he lied because what he did was intentional, and I took the minimal amount of time to prove him a liar.

Not to me, you didn't.

I just tried to find the bill online....lots of stuff on google about this...I have fifty windows and am afraid to crash, but my curiousity got the better of me and I pulled up this:

S. 1867 - LIVE Now on C-SPAN2

www.dailypaul.com/189568/s-1867-live-now-on-c-span2

here is one comment:

"Youtube Video?
Submitted by Escobar76 on Tue, 11/29/2011 - 14:39.

Here is the link to Rand Paul debating McCain:
www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SenateSessionPart157

It starts at 44:39 and ends about 1:02:00. It's be great if someone who knows how to make this into a youtube video would do so. Rand Paul gets McCain to admit that citizens would indeed be held indefinitly without due process."

more at the site.

www.dailypaul.com/189568/s-1867-live-now-on-c-span2

I haven't watched the video yet.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-11-29   15:07:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#12)

I just tried to find the bill online

The link has been posted already on this thread.

Here is the link to Rand Paul debating McCain: www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SenateSessionPart157

It starts at 44:39 and ends about 1:02:00.

I stopped at 53:00.

I couldn't stand listening to that lying sack of fermented shit one second longer.

Listen to him talk about 1) 9/11 and how it happened and 2) His complete ignoring Sec 1032 4b 1&2 and his use of the word "citizens".

Here it is again:

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-29 15:31:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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