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Title: Upon further review Joe Paterno rose to the occasion while everyone else sunk.
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Published: Nov 29, 2011
Author: Marc Rubin
Post Date: 2011-11-29 15:14:37 by christine
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Two major events have occurred since the firing of Joe Paterno which prove that the news media are not only incompetent and dishonest but hypocritical beyond anything anyone would have thought possible. And both revelations are about as damning as could be imagined both against ESPN, whose commentators condemnation of Paterno and demands for his firing were some of the loudest, and the school officials at Central Mountain high school, where Sandusky's Victim One went to school. The first revelation concerns the molestation charges against Syracuse assistant coach Bernie Fine.One of Fine's accusers secretly tape recorded a phone conversation he had with Fine's wife in 2002 in which the sexual contact with Fine was discussed and where Fine's wife admitted she knew everything her husband had been doing. Fine's accuser says he took the tape to the Syracuse Post Standard in 2002 along with his allegations against Fine and played the audio tape for them. The newspaper declined to report the allegations saying that, even with the tape they wanted more corroborating evidence before they would report it. In other words the Syracuse Post Standard gave more of the benefit of the doubt to an accused child molester than the news media in general gave to Joe Paterno, a man with a polished solid gold reputation for 60 years. And there has been no outcry by any of the sanctimonious self-serving members of the media who railed against Joe Paterno focused on the Post Standard for "having knowledge of" sexual abuse and not reporting it. It gets a lot worse. It has also been revealed that the victim took the same audio tape to ESPN more than ten years ago with his allegations against Fine and played the tape for them, No one at ESPN did a thing. any child protective agency. They did nothing. For ten years. This is the same ESPN whose commentators called for Joe Paterno's firing immediately for, in their factually challenged hypocritical world, "not going to the authorities". The same ESPN whose commentators said Joe Paterno going to the administrative head of campus police the next day with McQueary's non-specific report wasn't enough. The same ESPN who accused Joe Paterno without a shred of proof, of being aware of child sexual abuse and "not doing enough". The same ESPN that had an audio tape confirming from the mouth of the abuser's own wife, the sexual abuse of a ball boy at Syracuse university. And did nothing. And are the same sanctimonious self-righteous group of journalists insisting that anyone at ESPN who had been aware of those tapes for the last ten years and who is still with ESPN be fired? No. Of course not. We now know that the same media types both on television and in print who smeared Joe Paterno on their front pages with the word "Shame", without a shred of proof, did absolutely nothing when put in Paterno's shoes. Unfortunately the second set of revelations makes it even worse for the media New revelations were made by the mother of Sandsusky's Victim One that will forever shame even further everyone in the news media who attacked Paterno as well as the trustees of Penn State who buckled under the pressure exerted by the media mob and threw Paterno over the side to quiet them down. Keep in mind that the fictional narrative by the press in their attack on Paterno, their reason for demanding he be fired was that he had knowledge of sexual abuse and didn't do enough when it came to reporting it, ( something that has already been proved to be a factual lie). According to the mother, in a piece that can be read here, the principal of the high school her son attended, Karen Probst, was present in 2002 when her son openly accused Sandusky of molesting him and not only did the the school principle do nothing, according to the mother the principle actually tried to talk her and her son out of reporting it. Additionally, according to the mother, Steve Turchetta, the boy's high school coach in 2002, repeatedly allowed Sandusky to come to the school and take the boy out of school not only without parental consent but without even any parental notification. And Turchetta continued to allow Sandusky to take the boy out of school even after the mother found out and protested. The mother states that eventually there was a meeting at the school after the boy had told all to a school counselor and had gotten so emotional they finally believed him. At that meeting the mother states that when she insisted they go to the police, the school officials tried to talk her out of it. They told her to think about it and think about what the accusations could do to her family. All of this information was available at any time any real journalist wanted to take the time to actually investigate and learn the facts. But all of them, like Sean Gregory at Time Magazine, Andy Staples at Sports Illustrated and just about everyone at ESPN except Lou Holtz, were too busy smearing Paterno to bother. It was Paterno they went after. Because it was Joe Paterno's picture that sold newspapers and got web hits, not Karen Probst's.It was going after Paterno that made the very small and sanctimonious feel very big. The irony is, that in the end, Joe Paterno did more and with less knowledge, and did it faster than anyone connected to either the Sandusky allegations or the Bernie Fine allegations, all of whom had more knowledge that he did. And isn't it ironic ( or perhaps par for the course) that ESPN, whose commentators like Jay Bailes and others were some of the most vocal for saying Paterno didn't do enough, had an audio tape that contained an admission of the sexual abuse of a Syracuse ball boy for ten years and did nothing. So what will ESPN do now? Will they accuse themselves of "not doing enough"? Will they accuse themselves of allowing a sexual predator to remain free? Will there be any media condemnation by others of ESPN?Anyone hear any media condemnation? Anyone demanding people at ESPN be fired? Or will they all hide under their sheets? So now class lets review the facts: Joe Paterno the day after getting a non-specific non detailed sanitized version of events from McQueary went to the administrative head of the Penn State campus police with Mc Queary's allegations against a man he knew and worked with closely for 26 years, without hesitating or calling Sandusky to get his side of the story. Karen Probst, Victim One's high school principle, Steve Turchetta his high school coach, the school's assistant principle, the school guidance counselor, Ray Gricar, the DA at the time who declined to prosecute, the Syracuse Post-Standard, and ESPN all had specific allegations and in the case of the Fine, a tape recorded admission of child sexual abuse and did absolutely nothing for years. These are some of the people who yelled the loudest about Joe Paterno and moral responsibility. These are some of the people who demanded Joe Paterno be fired for not doing more. People are angry about what happened to Paterno. They should be angrier now and should demand not only the restoration of Paterno's reputation, they should demand retributions. Journalists to be fired. Journalists who accused Paterno without any proof. And anyone who had knowledge of the events involving Sandusky and Fine. And that includes journalists. There should be demands that Sean Gregory at Time Magazine who wrote that Joe Paterno "knew a ten year old boy was being raped in a shower and didn't report it to authorities" with no evidence to substantiate it be fired. So should his editor for allowing Gregory's dishonest report to be printed. So should an ESPN columnist named Jemele Hill who wrote his own dishonest column about Paterno. Anyone at ESPN with knowledge of the Bernie Fine tape should be suspended or fired. The two senators in Pennsylvania, Democrat Bob Casey and Republican Pat Toomey should be eviscerated, their offices deluged with phone calls for withdrawing their sponsorship of Paterno for the Medal of Freedom without any facts, just acting like spineless politicians reacting to the mob . And last but not least every trustee at Penn State who voted to fire Joe Paterno, which is all of them, should resign. They are the people who disgraced Penn State, not Joe Paterno. The Penn State trustees made a mockery of every value that a university tries to instill in its students and proved, ironically that the trustees can't be trusted. They should all in good conscience, resign. If not their resignations should be demanded since it was they, not Joe Paterno who betrayed the values of Penn State,denying Paterno any form of due process and capitulating to a dishonest incompetent mob of journalists. The day after Paterno was fired, students at Penn State demonstrated and demonstrated angrily. They knew, as college students tend to know, that a gross injustice had been done to Joe Paterno and they were motivated by something that the Penn State trustees and those in the news media either lost a long time ago or never had in the first place -- ideals. The students at Penn State saw that the ideals preached at Penn State were trampled on by a mob of out of control self-serving journalists and a spineless collection of trustees. And they were justifiably angry. They knew a gross injustice had been done. The factually challenged Stuart Scott, reporting on the demonstrations for ESPN said of the demonstrators, "Don't they get it"? Here is a flash to Stuart Scott and the rest of the news media. They got it. You didn't. When Paterno was given the sanitized version of the event in the shower by McQueary he went straight to the administrative head of campus police, the police agency that had the jurisdiction over any crime committed on the campus of Penn State. Joe Paterno went to the proper authority, he went immediately and he went as high as he could go. The news media, the Penn State trustees, the politicians, ESPN and everyone else who attacked Joe Paterno, given the opportunity, went as low as they could go. They will be remembered for it. And they should all lose their jobs. But before they go, they owe Joe Paterno one big apology.
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#70. To: ambi (#63)
Yeah, so what if he get's his ass sued to hell for "slander and libel" over something someone told him years after the fact, something he had no idea of whether it was true or not. Perhaps this whole "report" was given him for the sole purpose of implicating him and forcing him to step down, as has happened since the prime focus of the media has been Paterno and his "failure to report", which is a huge lie since he DID report it. christine made a post that he was Jewish, but I do not know the source for that. Can you provide a link to that information, since I don't recall ever reading that Joe Paterno was aware of child rape occuring at the school prior to his being told about it by McQueary. As I mentioned earlier I believe Paterno, whatever his debatable failings, has been made a focus to divert attention from the other likely Peds being serviced through the Ped Sandusky. Perhaps it has something to do with their religious practice involving circumcision, using a mohel to suck the penis of the baby boy during the procedure... Can you provide a link to that information, since I don't recall ever reading that Joe Paterno was aware of child rape occuring at the school prior to his being told about it by McQueary. There was an investigation by the DA in 1998, and Sandusky "retired" at age 55 in 1999 despite being the heir apparent to the Head Coach position. Despite his reputation as a coach no other school would touch him. No, you can quibble all you wish but it is clear from circumstance that there is no way he could not have known. Sort of how Monica Lewinsky was made the focus of the Clinton Impeachment, while ignoring the treason behind Chinese campaign money in exchange for top secret US technology, as well as the murder of Vince Foster and the false flag at OKC. No! What you are contending is not supported by the facts. There haven't been any facts brought out yet; only innuendos. The only facts brought out have been that a DA disappeared, the former PA attorney general and now PA governor did nothing when he first learned of the molestations and the PA state police only had one investigator working on this for over 3 years. Did any of them other than the disappeared DA get thrown under the bus. No! Only Paterno. I can understand many of you getting a woodie going after a good looking lady, but getting a woodie and keeping it for 82 year old Joe Paterno makes me wonder about you.
He may have been kept out of the loop, for reasons such as making him a scapegoat later on. There is no need for ad hominem attacks. The facts are clear and how you choose to judge them, or avoid them, is your business. Have I at any time personally attacked you in this thread? When you have to resort to personal attacks then you are admitting that you have NO FACTS which support your position. So, be it. You condemn yourself and discredit your arguments by your own words. He's a jew hiding in a church. The internet is being scrubbed and the new meme is "Although his name sounds Jewish, He Ain't One Of Us!". My recent bookmark on an older story that details his true heritage is 404'd as of today. Bernie Fine/Syracuse coach and Graham Spanier/Penn State Pres. are still Jewish until the internet is scrubbed clean of that evidence. A major college football coach has plenty of time to go running off to the media and police with 3/4/5 year old info like what McQueary told him.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: Rotara, christine (#68)
question: did sandusky convert to methodism from the talmud because i can't tell. i have him down as methodist. fwiw
#72. To: Original_Intent (#69)
It is clearly in evidence that he "did" know.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: FormerLurker, ambi, Rotara (#70)
Perhaps this whole "report" was given him for the sole purpose of implicating him and forcing him to step down, as has happened since the prime focus of the media has been Paterno and his "failure to report", which is a huge lie since he DID report it.
#74. To: X-15 (#57)
NEW YORK (JTA) – The Brooklyn District Attorney's Office says it has charged 89 men in the borough's haredi Orthodox communities with child sex abuse -- a threefold increase over a two-year span.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: FormerLurker (#72)
It is clearly in evidence that he "did" know.
#76. To: Original_Intent (#73)
I believe Paterno, whatever his debatable failings, has been made a focus to divert attention from the other likely Peds being serviced through the Ped Sandusky
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: Original_Intent (#59)
What I am contending, which is supported by the facts, is that he participated, at least passively, in the cover up.
#78. To: Original_Intent (#75)
No, you can quibble all you wish but it is clear from circumstance that there is no way he could not have known.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#79. To: ambi (#77)
I can understand many of you getting a woodie going after a good looking lady, but getting a woodie and keeping it for 82 year old Joe Paterno makes me wonder about you.
#80. To: Rotara (#68)
(Edited)
-Alex Kurtagic
#81. To: Original_Intent (#69)
Ok Perry show us the evidence, not heresay or speculation. And what is the source? Did Joe Paterno confess? Was there a trial? On a scale of 1 to 10, I have you at minus6 and droping fast. The only thing my husband says is lower is whale sh*t. It is clearly in evidence that he "did" know.
#82. To: FormerLurker (#78)
As you wish. We appear to be at loggerheads on this point and since we have both made our case I think I'll bow out.
#83. To: ambi (#81)
#84. To: X-15 (#80)
wow. alright then. i think we can well most of us see where this is going. what a mess not so happy valley is in. and spanier was chanc. at Nebraska on the heels of Franklin. i want to figger out who knew what and when.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#85. To: Rotara (#31)
Now that's spot on ! (And, about time too !) fuck you ya dumb bitch.
"Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."
#86. To: Original_Intent (#79) (Edited)
The I keep asking you for the facts and apparently they are only in your minds eye. Has there been a trial. ans. NO! Did someone confess? ans. NO! When you keep stating the facts say Paterno is guilty and you won't post them proves you are living a lie. Facts Please!!! The facts are clear and how you choose to judge them, or avoid them, is your business.
facts,innuendos.are clear and how you choose to judge them, or avoid them, is your business.
#87. To: ambi (#81)
ambi, please read post #1 up at the top for my thoughts on Joe Paterno. He can't dodge this one, Sandusky was still creeping around the campus and all the coaching staff knew what was going on all these years, don't think that tongues don't wag on a college campus.
-Alex Kurtagic
#88. To: X-15 (#87)
I already did and that is only your opinion. Nothing has transpired to make your innuendo a "true" fact. Any armchair quarterbacking is usually after the game is played. This game isn't finished yet! Sometimes speculators come up short. ambi, please read post #1
#89. To: Original_Intent (#69)
hear no speak no see no people. the worst kind imo.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#90. To: Original_Intent (#69)
as a former coach, player, scout and consultant i can tell you that my colleagues and i to a man / woman agree it's a significant certainty that almost if not every single coach on staff there knew what 2nd mile jerry was all about. but it goes WAY off campus and the scope goes maybe to the top of some power structures.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#91. To: noone222 (#85)
Thanks Doug. Now that's spot on ! (And, about time too !)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#92. To: FormerLurker, ambi, Original_Intent (#72)
Victim 4 remembers Sandusky being emotionally upset after a meeting with Joe Paterno in which Paterno told Sandusky that he would not be the next head coach at Penn State and which preceded Sandusky's retirement. Sandusky told victim 4 not to tell anyone about the meeting. That meeting occurred in May 1999. from Grand Jury Presentment under victim 4
#93. To: strepsiptera (#92)
what's ~12 or 13 years amongst 'friends', eh ? i bet 12 or 13 is the tip of the iceberg. just a hunch.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#94. To: strepsiptera (#92)
May '99. ok.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#95. To: Rotara, 4 (#55)
Sandusky last coached in '99, and he might have thought of himself as the head coach heir apparent, but that wasn’t what others thought. His skill at fielding top rated defenses had begun to fade in ‘95. Out of his five defensive teams ('95- '99), only one was rated as high as #14th best in the nation. This period of time coincides with PSUs entry into the B-10, and clearly he was meeting higher caliber teams, week in and week out, and not matching up well. Regarding his post '98 relationship w/Paterno, it's my best guess that when Gricar didn't indict him, Paterno bagged him. That was no retirement. Conspicuously missing at his retirement party was Paterno himself. The '98 assault, and failed indictment, didn't prevent President Spanier from giving him a retirement package, consisting of, among other things, the title of professor emeritus, which allowed him a campus office, phone, and complete freedom to any campus facility 24x7. Sandusky's Second Mile was by then well established and again, IMO, Spanier used him and it as a money pipeline to fund his many campus projects. If nothing else is gotten from this thread, it needs to be established that the president of PSU gave Sandusky carte blanche when it came to where he could go, and who he could associate with. Paterno had no authority to ban him from any part of the campus, and as far as I know, neither man spoke to each other after the firing. it ended abruptly and without real explanation. strange is being kind.
#96. To: Original_Intent, All (#37)
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#97. To: ambi (#29)
Unbelievable. Where do I even start with this. I'll just say: sandusky is not "free". He is out on bail, or is it bond. I get them mixed up. I have been handcuffed twice but never arrested so I dont know much about it. That is not freedom. He faces many serious charges. And he probably wont be the only one. I bet you were one of those who went around screaming the towelheads did it. I guess you believe the governments take on 9-11. Just remember, first comes damage control, then the phony coverup, then the finger pointing, and then somebody gets thrown under the bus. They by-passed the other things and just threw Paterno under the bus. Sandusky is still free!
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#98. To: X-15 (#80)
has to be a coincidence. if you believe in them. My recent bookmark on an older story that details his true heritage is 404'd as of today.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#99. To: Rotara (#23)
I admire loyalty, but not unconditional loyalty. It's a good thing that I was not put in charge. I'd make Dean Wormer (Animal House) look like an anarchist hippy. It amazes me that some people think that Paterno did the right thing. You can tell by that that they have no concept of leadership and what it entails. Once he (supposedly) told the campus rent-a-cops, and they did nothing, then to save his own ass he was not about to push it any further that that. Call the real LEOs? HA fucking HA! A nuke was dropped in his lap and he was happy to just bury it. It blew up in his face anyway and now he has to pay the price. PE## STATE wanted to literally march the game ball to joePed's house had they beat us. WIN FOR JOE ! yikes
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#100. To: Jethro Tull (#95)
focusing right now just on joe; what's your take today ? Regarding his post '98 relationship w/Paterno, it's my best guess that when Gricar didn't indict him, Paterno bagged him. That was no retirement. Conspicuously missing at his retirement party was Paterno himself.f
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#101. To: PSUSA2 (#99)
cognitive dissonance ?? i forget. It amazes me that some people think that Paterno did the right thing.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#102. To: Rotara (#100)
A flawed man, who by his own admission, wishes he did more. focusing right now just on joe; what's your take today ?
#103. To: Jethro Tull (#102)
yeah.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#104. To: Original_Intent (#71)
i found one source that claimed he was a jew, then another negating it, so who knows?
#105. To: ambi (#86)
#106. To: christine (#104)
With his last name he may be of Jewish ancestry but not a practicing Jew. I was able to find a reference to a famous Polish Jewish Midwife named Hannah Sandusky. So, that leaves the question open as there are Jewish people with that last name. How long ago he or his family converted is unknown without further research. i found one source that claimed he was a jew, then another negating it, so who knows?
#107. To: PSUSA2 (#97)
You get bail when you post bond. He is out on bail, or is it bond.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#108. To: Rotara (#90)
People think the speed of light is fast. Well, there is nothing faster than the speed with which a scandal or juicy tid bit circulates around a locker room. When my father died everyone in the locker room knew before I returned. One guy who I was on the outs with, and we had actually come to blows, earned my eternal thanks when another guy announced his intention to make a nasty comment about my father's death - he told him that "if you say that I'LL kick your ass" and he meant it. That circulated the locker room at greater than light speed as well. as a former coach, player, scout and consultant i can tell you that my colleagues and i to a man / woman agree it's a significant certainty that almost if not every single coach on staff there knew what 2nd mile jerry was all about. but it goes WAY off campus and the scope goes maybe to the top of some power structures.
#109. To: Rotara (#91)
A well deserved applause ! And, you're most welcome. Thanks Doug.
"Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."
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