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Title: Upon further review Joe Paterno rose to the occasion while everyone else sunk.
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URL Source: http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2011 ... eview-joe-paterno-rose-to.html
Published: Nov 29, 2011
Author: Marc Rubin
Post Date: 2011-11-29 15:14:37 by christine
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Views: 1408
Comments: 109

Two major events have occurred since the firing of Joe Paterno which prove that the news media are not only incompetent and dishonest but hypocritical beyond anything anyone would have thought possible.

And both revelations are about as damning as could be imagined both against ESPN, whose commentators condemnation of Paterno and demands for his firing were some of the loudest, and the school officials at Central Mountain high school, where Sandusky's Victim One went to school.

The first revelation concerns the molestation charges against Syracuse assistant coach Bernie Fine.One of Fine's accusers secretly tape recorded a phone conversation he had with Fine's wife in 2002 in which the sexual contact with Fine was discussed and where Fine's wife admitted she knew everything her husband had been doing. Fine's accuser says he took the tape to the Syracuse Post Standard in 2002 along with his allegations against Fine and played the audio tape for them. The newspaper declined to report the allegations saying that, even with the tape they wanted more corroborating evidence before they would report it. In other words the Syracuse Post Standard gave more of the benefit of the doubt to an accused child molester than the news media in general gave to Joe Paterno, a man with a polished solid gold reputation for 60 years. And there has been no outcry by any of the sanctimonious self-serving members of the media who railed against Joe Paterno focused on the Post Standard for "having knowledge of" sexual abuse and not reporting it.

It gets a lot worse. It has also been revealed that the victim took the same audio tape to ESPN more than ten years ago with his allegations against Fine and played the tape for them, No one at ESPN did a thing. any child protective agency. They did nothing. For ten years.

This is the same ESPN whose commentators called for Joe Paterno's firing immediately for, in their factually challenged hypocritical world, "not going to the authorities". The same ESPN whose commentators said Joe Paterno going to the administrative head of campus police the next day with McQueary's non-specific report wasn't enough. The same ESPN who accused Joe Paterno without a shred of proof, of being aware of child sexual abuse and "not doing enough". The same ESPN that had an audio tape confirming from the mouth of the abuser's own wife, the sexual abuse of a ball boy at Syracuse university. And did nothing.

And are the same sanctimonious self-righteous group of journalists insisting that anyone at ESPN who had been aware of those tapes for the last ten years and who is still with ESPN be fired? No. Of course not.

We now know that the same media types both on television and in print who smeared Joe Paterno on their front pages with the word "Shame", without a shred of proof, did absolutely nothing when put in Paterno's shoes.

Unfortunately the second set of revelations makes it even worse for the media

New revelations were made by the mother of Sandsusky's Victim One that will forever shame even further everyone in the news media who attacked Paterno as well as the trustees of Penn State who buckled under the pressure exerted by the media mob and threw Paterno over the side to quiet them down.

Keep in mind that the fictional narrative by the press in their attack on Paterno, their reason for demanding he be fired was that he had knowledge of sexual abuse and didn't do enough when it came to reporting it, ( something that has already been proved to be a factual lie).

According to the mother, in a piece that can be read here, the principal of the high school her son attended, Karen Probst, was present in 2002 when her son openly accused Sandusky of molesting him and not only did the the school principle do nothing, according to the mother the principle actually tried to talk her and her son out of reporting it.

Additionally, according to the mother, Steve Turchetta, the boy's high school coach in 2002, repeatedly allowed Sandusky to come to the school and take the boy out of school not only without parental consent but without even any parental notification. And Turchetta continued to allow Sandusky to take the boy out of school even after the mother found out and protested.

The mother states that eventually there was a meeting at the school after the boy had told all to a school counselor and had gotten so emotional they finally believed him. At that meeting the mother states that when she insisted they go to the police, the school officials tried to talk her out of it. They told her to think about it and think about what the accusations could do to her family.

All of this information was available at any time any real journalist wanted to take the time to actually investigate and learn the facts. But all of them, like Sean Gregory at Time Magazine, Andy Staples at Sports Illustrated and just about everyone at ESPN except Lou Holtz, were too busy smearing Paterno to bother. It was Paterno they went after. Because it was Joe Paterno's picture that sold newspapers and got web hits, not Karen Probst's.It was going after Paterno that made the very small and sanctimonious feel very big.

The irony is, that in the end, Joe Paterno did more and with less knowledge, and did it faster than anyone connected to either the Sandusky allegations or the Bernie Fine allegations, all of whom had more knowledge that he did.

And isn't it ironic ( or perhaps par for the course) that ESPN, whose commentators like Jay Bailes and others were some of the most vocal for saying Paterno didn't do enough, had an audio tape that contained an admission of the sexual abuse of a Syracuse ball boy for ten years and did nothing.

So what will ESPN do now? Will they accuse themselves of "not doing enough"? Will they accuse themselves of allowing a sexual predator to remain free? Will there be any media condemnation by others of ESPN?Anyone hear any media condemnation? Anyone demanding people at ESPN be fired? Or will they all hide under their sheets?

So now class lets review the facts: Joe Paterno the day after getting a non-specific non detailed sanitized version of events from McQueary went to the administrative head of the Penn State campus police with Mc Queary's allegations against a man he knew and worked with closely for 26 years, without hesitating or calling Sandusky to get his side of the story. Karen Probst, Victim One's high school principle, Steve Turchetta his high school coach, the school's assistant principle, the school guidance counselor, Ray Gricar, the DA at the time who declined to prosecute, the Syracuse Post-Standard, and ESPN all had specific allegations and in the case of the Fine, a tape recorded admission of child sexual abuse and did absolutely nothing for years. These are some of the people who yelled the loudest about Joe Paterno and moral responsibility. These are some of the people who demanded Joe Paterno be fired for not doing more.

People are angry about what happened to Paterno. They should be angrier now and should demand not only the restoration of Paterno's reputation, they should demand retributions.

Journalists to be fired. Journalists who accused Paterno without any proof. And anyone who had knowledge of the events involving Sandusky and Fine. And that includes journalists.

There should be demands that Sean Gregory at Time Magazine who wrote that Joe Paterno "knew a ten year old boy was being raped in a shower and didn't report it to authorities" with no evidence to substantiate it be fired. So should his editor for allowing Gregory's dishonest report to be printed. So should an ESPN columnist named Jemele Hill who wrote his own dishonest column about Paterno. Anyone at ESPN with knowledge of the Bernie Fine tape should be suspended or fired. The two senators in Pennsylvania, Democrat Bob Casey and Republican Pat Toomey should be eviscerated, their offices deluged with phone calls for withdrawing their sponsorship of Paterno for the Medal of Freedom without any facts, just acting like spineless politicians reacting to the mob . And last but not least every trustee at Penn State who voted to fire Joe Paterno, which is all of them, should resign. They are the people who disgraced Penn State, not Joe Paterno.

The Penn State trustees made a mockery of every value that a university tries to instill in its students and proved, ironically that the trustees can't be trusted. They should all in good conscience, resign. If not their resignations should be demanded since it was they, not Joe Paterno who betrayed the values of Penn State,denying Paterno any form of due process and capitulating to a dishonest incompetent mob of journalists.

The day after Paterno was fired, students at Penn State demonstrated and demonstrated angrily. They knew, as college students tend to know, that a gross injustice had been done to Joe Paterno and they were motivated by something that the Penn State trustees and those in the news media either lost a long time ago or never had in the first place -- ideals.

The students at Penn State saw that the ideals preached at Penn State were trampled on by a mob of out of control self-serving journalists and a spineless collection of trustees. And they were justifiably angry. They knew a gross injustice had been done. The factually challenged Stuart Scott, reporting on the demonstrations for ESPN said of the demonstrators, "Don't they get it"? Here is a flash to Stuart Scott and the rest of the news media. They got it. You didn't.

When Paterno was given the sanitized version of the event in the shower by McQueary he went straight to the administrative head of campus police, the police agency that had the jurisdiction over any crime committed on the campus of Penn State. Joe Paterno went to the proper authority, he went immediately and he went as high as he could go. The news media, the Penn State trustees, the politicians, ESPN and everyone else who attacked Joe Paterno, given the opportunity, went as low as they could go. They will be remembered for it. And they should all lose their jobs. But before they go, they owe Joe Paterno one big apology.

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Paterno for pope! We need such a holy righteous man in the vatican! What a wonderful man he is. So wonderful.

He went to the top of the campus police who have jurisdiction over what happens on campus. What more did you expect him to do, and why aren't you as upset over the lack of ANY reporting by the ESPN staff and those at the newspaper who were made aware of abuse, along with the lack of ANY effort by the high school principle who was informed of the rape of one of his students?

I would also have to wonder about why the guy who made the tape, in that HE didn't report the situation straight to the police...

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-11-29   16:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't campus cops have the responsibility/duty to report allegations of felony offenses to either the city cops or the county sheriff, or both?

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-11-29   16:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't campus cops have the responsibility/duty to report allegations of felony offenses to either the city cops or the county sheriff, or both?

They had to have know about it in '98. If the D.A. Gricar knew, then the cops did too.

formerly GJones.

InsideJob  posted on  2011-11-29   16:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It was going after Paterno that made the very small and sanctimonious feel very big.

I see the sanctimonious are still going after Joe Paterno. We see evidence of the news organizations and even law enforcement getting a pass. None of you even mention the shortcomings and refusals to do their job. You are still putting the blame on Paterno. They are the ones who help this predator to continue molesting and harming other young boys.

Apparently many of you still don't get it. Our sons went to Slippery Rock University and the campus police were the law on campus. They carry firearms, handcuffs, tasers, night sticks, and pepper spray. When needed, they call in the boro police and or the Pennsylvania Police to help in any situation that demands it. Paterno did the right thing and as the writer says, he did his job and he did it right away. All the others failed the molested children including the present Governor who had knowledge of the molestations when he was PA attorney general. He was one of the loudest calling for Paterno's hide. I'm sure he did so to deflect any guilt on his part.

If this is investigated properly, there are many who are complicit in these molestations by their failure to act quickly and properly. They made Joe Paterno one of the victims! The writer got it spot on. Too bad you and others can't see it.

ambi  posted on  2011-11-29   16:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He went to the top of the campus police who have jurisdiction over what happens on campus. What more did you expect him to do,

If that is true, then why not call the real police. If local police didn't have jurisdiction, I'm sure that the state police did.

and why aren't you as upset over the lack of ANY reporting by the ESPN staff and those at the newspaper who were made aware of abuse, along with the lack of ANY effort by the high school principle who was informed of the rape of one of his students?

I remember when I was a kid I'd try that excuse on my mom. It didn't work. She'd say "If so and so jumped off a cliff, would you follow?". I'd say "so and so's body would cushion my fall". Then I'd get sent to my room.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-29   16:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

it never fucking ends with Denial State and their precious joe pathetic football program. joe pa knew damn good and well what was going on probably much further back than '98 when he shitcanned jerry's high flying at the time coaching career.

they should flood 'happy' valley and create a tourist attraction. ridiculous.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   16:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

from the coaches to the fans to the admin to the campus cops to the boosters. Pe## State sucks. to the prosecutors to the governor to God knows where else. Pennsylvania sucks.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   16:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We see evidence of the news organizations and even law enforcement getting a pass. None of you even mention the shortcomings and refusals to do their job.

Oh really? Perhaps not on this thread. But not on other threads.

If this is investigated properly, there are many who are complicit in these molestations by their failure to act quickly and properly. They made Joe Paterno one of the victims!

Poor poor joe. Although he knew, and therefore was complicit, it is an illustrious football career, flushed like yesterdays meal down the Toilet of Life. Oh the tragedy! A football legacy destroyed!

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-29   16:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't campus cops have the responsibility/duty to report allegations of felony offenses to either the city cops or the county sheriff, or both?

.yes they do and to the state police and child welfare services. Joe Paterno was the only one who did what he was supposed to do and he did it immediately. It appears the coverup was started even before Paterno knew anything and you can be sure it was the higherups that took a few years to put their plan of damage control in place and make Paterno a victim along with the molested boys.

ambi  posted on  2011-11-29   16:38:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

disgusting

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   16:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If the D.A. Gricar knew, then the cops did too.

Doh.

(Beating my head with hammer.)

Thanks.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-11-29   16:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Poor poor joe. Although he knew, and therefore was complicit, it is an illustrious football career, flushed like yesterdays meal down the Toilet of Life. Oh the tragedy! A football legacy destroyed!

Your attempt at humor should be posted on a thread dealing with humor. But since you aren't that funny, maybe you should just be silent on this issue until it is properly concluded.

Still nothing from you but Paterno bashing. You give all the others a pass. Did Paterno and one of his Nittany Lions reams beat your school in a game; a bowl? That would explain your blind obsession of blaming only Paterno. ...........small minds............

ambi  posted on  2011-11-29   16:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

no more sweeping this under. we're going to press for every single bastard cockroach to be exposed in the light of truth that's on board the PE## STATE train. and hopefully expose more and more pedos/pedo rings. fuck'em to hell.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   16:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

people of right mind can look into this superficially and see what a cluster fuck those defending the indefensible are mired in. i say the deniers might be abuse victims or abusers. more investigation might be necessary.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   16:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

this is ALL just a BIG CONSPIRACY against penn state and joe paterno. /supersarcasm

they should have immediately cancelled their season and fired everyone around.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   16:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your attempt at humor should be posted on a thread dealing with humor. But since you aren't that funny, maybe you should just be silent on this issue until it is properly concluded.

I dont find one single thing to be "funny" about this entire situation. I'm just a sarcastic prick sometimes, or most times.

You give all the others a pass.

No I don't.

Did Paterno and one of his Nittany Lions reams beat your school in a game; a bowl? That would explain your blind obsession of blaming only Paterno. ...........small minds............

Yeah. And you're a Pedd State fan? Alumni? Professor? Football coach? Player?

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-11-29   16:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

let the players transfer out with immediate eligibility.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   16:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

it never fucking ends with Denial State and their precious joe pathetic football program. joe pa knew damn good and well what was going on probably much further back than '98 when he shitcanned jerry's high flying at the time coaching career.

Why did you wait to accuse Paterno now? Just think, you may have save some boys from being molested. This is not a humor thread. They like humor on tos and lp. Here we try and show some intelligence. According to you and some others on here, Joe Paterno is being tried while Sandusky is running loose and possibably still molesting other boys. What a sleuth you are!.

ambi  posted on  2011-11-29   16:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Pennsylvania sucks.

by that logic, so do all 50 states. you know as well as i that child abuse and exploitation is a systemic problem. you better believe that there are plenty of peds shaking in their shoes hoping their victims don't come forth..and i believe Freeh has been hired to protect the biggest perps in this one.

christine  posted on  2011-11-29   16:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

thank God my up and down team, Nebraska, went into this child raping valley and WON right at the height of the bubble bursting. i applaud my guys for going into that SHIT storm and getting a tough tough win. we were 'the team playing at PSU'. ! PE## STATE wanted to literally march the game ball to joePed's house had they beat us. WIN FOR JOE ! yikes

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   17:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

they should have immediately cancelled their season and fired everyone around.

why should the current innocent athletes, students, etc be punished for something they had nothing whatsoever to do with?

christine  posted on  2011-11-29   17:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

they're all pretty bad. right now though pennsylvania's long held lack of concern over pedofilia versus their football god makes them the mark for '11 and '12.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   17:01:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the sins of their community i guess.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   17:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

why should the current innocent athletes, students, etc be punished for something they had nothing whatsoever to do with?

the student athletes should be able to continue on with no other repercussions. just not at the pe## state football temple. the house joe built and destroyed.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   17:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

right now though pennsylvania's long held lack of concern over pedofilia versus their football god makes them the mark for '11 and '12.

pennsylvania law looks like NAMBLA wrote it.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   17:05:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah. And you're a Pedd State fan? Alumni? Professor? Football coach? Player?

I'm just a housewife and could care less about football. I am however, skeptical of the kangaroo court that has been used against Paterno before the criminal Sandusky has not had his day in court and answer to the charges. We see all the time the quick vindictiveness like the 9-11 official coverup that led us into Iraq and an on going 10 year war and Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. I bet you were one of those who went around screaming the towelheads did it. I guess you believe the governments take on 9-11. Just remember, first comes damage control, then the phony coverup, then the finger pointing, and then somebody gets thrown under the bus. They by-passed the other things and just threw Paterno under the bus. Sandusky is still free!

ambi  posted on  2011-11-29   17:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

we were 'the team playing at PSU'.

What's this we? You weren't playing in that game. You were only one of the retards cheering on Nebraska.

ambi  posted on  2011-11-29   17:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

fuck you ya dumb bitch.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   17:15:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

they should have immediately cancelled their season and fired everyone around.

why should the current innocent athletes, students, etc be punished for something they had nothing whatsoever to do with?

christine, your answer is a correct answer. Unfortunately you are replying to a moron who can't understand logic.

ambi  posted on  2011-11-29   17:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you're so fucking stupid or naive i'm finding it hard to believe you access the world wide web without help.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   17:18:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

fuck you ya dumb bitch.

The truth rattled ya huh??????

ambi  posted on  2011-11-29   17:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

truth? truth ? you wouldn't know the truth if it ate you up. you're so pathetic i'm going to filter your shit from my screen.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   17:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

truth? truth ? you wouldn't know the truth if it ate you up. you're so pathetic i'm going to filter your shit from my screen.

Do you mind if I call you Herb Cain? He's having aterrible time denying his affairs. You are having a tough time with the truth!

ambi  posted on  2011-11-29   17:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Once you run this article through the bullshit filter what you wind up with is:

Joe Paterno may have been less guilty than others. NOT Joe Paterno was not guilty.

Big difference that. Kind of on the order of being "a little bit pregnant" or "kinda' dead". It is a matter of degree of guilt not a degree of innocence.

That others knew also does not exculpate him. It means that others are equally, if not more, guilty of moral, if not legal, cowardice.

Methinks the apologists are getting desperate.

And my own speculation on why Paterno was hung out to dry so fast was that it was becoming apparent that there was no way to keep the crime from going public and it was an attempt to DIVERT away from the other guilty parties - particularly wealthy and well connected donors Peds.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-29   17:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

they should have immediately cancelled their season and fired everyone around.

why should the current innocent athletes, students, etc be punished for something they had nothing whatsoever to do with?

While it is unfortunate that the innocent will suffer some pain this was an institutional failure with wide participation in the cover-up at the school. It is fitting that the School, not necessarily the students and athletes, be held to account.

The nature of the crime suggests at least some of the punishment. The cover-up was as much to protect the school and Fu'boll program as it was to protect the filthy stinking degenerate Peds who committed the physical crimes. Not all of the crimes here were physical but also stemmed from moral cowardice and an unwillingness to do what was right.

There are remedies that could be applied for the athletes and students:

1. Allow the athletes to transfer to another school without loss of eligibility and even restoring this year's eligibility.

2. A refund to those students who choose the option of receiving a FULL refund of all tuition and fees.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-29   18:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

that would be fair.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   18:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Joe Paterno may have been less guilty than others. NOT Joe Paterno was not guilty.

Paterno reported the crime as soon as he was made aware of it. What else did you expect him to do?

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-11-29   18:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suspect that if option 2 were offered that Pe** State would suffer a great loss of students, perhaps as much as half the student body among the lower classes of Freshman and Sophomores.

Option 1 is more problematic in that a lot of the Student Semi-Pro Athletes might stay because it would not be worth their while and they would not be guaranteed, in most cases, a scholarship.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-11-29   18:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

and i believe Freeh has been hired to protect the biggest perps in this one.

i definitely agree with that.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-11-29   18:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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