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Title: Upon further review Joe Paterno rose to the occasion while everyone else sunk.
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URL Source: http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2011 ... eview-joe-paterno-rose-to.html
Published: Nov 29, 2011
Author: Marc Rubin
Post Date: 2011-11-29 15:14:37 by christine
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Two major events have occurred since the firing of Joe Paterno which prove that the news media are not only incompetent and dishonest but hypocritical beyond anything anyone would have thought possible. And both revelations are about as damning as could be imagined both against ESPN, whose commentators condemnation of Paterno and demands for his firing were some of the loudest, and the school officials at Central Mountain high school, where Sandusky's Victim One went to school. The first revelation concerns the molestation charges against Syracuse assistant coach Bernie Fine.One of Fine's accusers secretly tape recorded a phone conversation he had with Fine's wife in 2002 in which the sexual contact with Fine was discussed and where Fine's wife admitted she knew everything her husband had been doing. Fine's accuser says he took the tape to the Syracuse Post Standard in 2002 along with his allegations against Fine and played the audio tape for them. The newspaper declined to report the allegations saying that, even with the tape they wanted more corroborating evidence before they would report it. In other words the Syracuse Post Standard gave more of the benefit of the doubt to an accused child molester than the news media in general gave to Joe Paterno, a man with a polished solid gold reputation for 60 years. And there has been no outcry by any of the sanctimonious self-serving members of the media who railed against Joe Paterno focused on the Post Standard for "having knowledge of" sexual abuse and not reporting it. It gets a lot worse. It has also been revealed that the victim took the same audio tape to ESPN more than ten years ago with his allegations against Fine and played the tape for them, No one at ESPN did a thing. any child protective agency. They did nothing. For ten years. This is the same ESPN whose commentators called for Joe Paterno's firing immediately for, in their factually challenged hypocritical world, "not going to the authorities". The same ESPN whose commentators said Joe Paterno going to the administrative head of campus police the next day with McQueary's non-specific report wasn't enough. The same ESPN who accused Joe Paterno without a shred of proof, of being aware of child sexual abuse and "not doing enough". The same ESPN that had an audio tape confirming from the mouth of the abuser's own wife, the sexual abuse of a ball boy at Syracuse university. And did nothing. And are the same sanctimonious self-righteous group of journalists insisting that anyone at ESPN who had been aware of those tapes for the last ten years and who is still with ESPN be fired? No. Of course not. We now know that the same media types both on television and in print who smeared Joe Paterno on their front pages with the word "Shame", without a shred of proof, did absolutely nothing when put in Paterno's shoes. Unfortunately the second set of revelations makes it even worse for the media New revelations were made by the mother of Sandsusky's Victim One that will forever shame even further everyone in the news media who attacked Paterno as well as the trustees of Penn State who buckled under the pressure exerted by the media mob and threw Paterno over the side to quiet them down. Keep in mind that the fictional narrative by the press in their attack on Paterno, their reason for demanding he be fired was that he had knowledge of sexual abuse and didn't do enough when it came to reporting it, ( something that has already been proved to be a factual lie). According to the mother, in a piece that can be read here, the principal of the high school her son attended, Karen Probst, was present in 2002 when her son openly accused Sandusky of molesting him and not only did the the school principle do nothing, according to the mother the principle actually tried to talk her and her son out of reporting it. Additionally, according to the mother, Steve Turchetta, the boy's high school coach in 2002, repeatedly allowed Sandusky to come to the school and take the boy out of school not only without parental consent but without even any parental notification. And Turchetta continued to allow Sandusky to take the boy out of school even after the mother found out and protested. The mother states that eventually there was a meeting at the school after the boy had told all to a school counselor and had gotten so emotional they finally believed him. At that meeting the mother states that when she insisted they go to the police, the school officials tried to talk her out of it. They told her to think about it and think about what the accusations could do to her family. All of this information was available at any time any real journalist wanted to take the time to actually investigate and learn the facts. But all of them, like Sean Gregory at Time Magazine, Andy Staples at Sports Illustrated and just about everyone at ESPN except Lou Holtz, were too busy smearing Paterno to bother. It was Paterno they went after. Because it was Joe Paterno's picture that sold newspapers and got web hits, not Karen Probst's.It was going after Paterno that made the very small and sanctimonious feel very big. The irony is, that in the end, Joe Paterno did more and with less knowledge, and did it faster than anyone connected to either the Sandusky allegations or the Bernie Fine allegations, all of whom had more knowledge that he did. And isn't it ironic ( or perhaps par for the course) that ESPN, whose commentators like Jay Bailes and others were some of the most vocal for saying Paterno didn't do enough, had an audio tape that contained an admission of the sexual abuse of a Syracuse ball boy for ten years and did nothing. So what will ESPN do now? Will they accuse themselves of "not doing enough"? Will they accuse themselves of allowing a sexual predator to remain free? Will there be any media condemnation by others of ESPN?Anyone hear any media condemnation? Anyone demanding people at ESPN be fired? Or will they all hide under their sheets? So now class lets review the facts: Joe Paterno the day after getting a non-specific non detailed sanitized version of events from McQueary went to the administrative head of the Penn State campus police with Mc Queary's allegations against a man he knew and worked with closely for 26 years, without hesitating or calling Sandusky to get his side of the story. Karen Probst, Victim One's high school principle, Steve Turchetta his high school coach, the school's assistant principle, the school guidance counselor, Ray Gricar, the DA at the time who declined to prosecute, the Syracuse Post-Standard, and ESPN all had specific allegations and in the case of the Fine, a tape recorded admission of child sexual abuse and did absolutely nothing for years. These are some of the people who yelled the loudest about Joe Paterno and moral responsibility. These are some of the people who demanded Joe Paterno be fired for not doing more. People are angry about what happened to Paterno. They should be angrier now and should demand not only the restoration of Paterno's reputation, they should demand retributions. Journalists to be fired. Journalists who accused Paterno without any proof. And anyone who had knowledge of the events involving Sandusky and Fine. And that includes journalists. There should be demands that Sean Gregory at Time Magazine who wrote that Joe Paterno "knew a ten year old boy was being raped in a shower and didn't report it to authorities" with no evidence to substantiate it be fired. So should his editor for allowing Gregory's dishonest report to be printed. So should an ESPN columnist named Jemele Hill who wrote his own dishonest column about Paterno. Anyone at ESPN with knowledge of the Bernie Fine tape should be suspended or fired. The two senators in Pennsylvania, Democrat Bob Casey and Republican Pat Toomey should be eviscerated, their offices deluged with phone calls for withdrawing their sponsorship of Paterno for the Medal of Freedom without any facts, just acting like spineless politicians reacting to the mob . And last but not least every trustee at Penn State who voted to fire Joe Paterno, which is all of them, should resign. They are the people who disgraced Penn State, not Joe Paterno. The Penn State trustees made a mockery of every value that a university tries to instill in its students and proved, ironically that the trustees can't be trusted. They should all in good conscience, resign. If not their resignations should be demanded since it was they, not Joe Paterno who betrayed the values of Penn State,denying Paterno any form of due process and capitulating to a dishonest incompetent mob of journalists. The day after Paterno was fired, students at Penn State demonstrated and demonstrated angrily. They knew, as college students tend to know, that a gross injustice had been done to Joe Paterno and they were motivated by something that the Penn State trustees and those in the news media either lost a long time ago or never had in the first place -- ideals. The students at Penn State saw that the ideals preached at Penn State were trampled on by a mob of out of control self-serving journalists and a spineless collection of trustees. And they were justifiably angry. They knew a gross injustice had been done. The factually challenged Stuart Scott, reporting on the demonstrations for ESPN said of the demonstrators, "Don't they get it"? Here is a flash to Stuart Scott and the rest of the news media. They got it. You didn't. When Paterno was given the sanitized version of the event in the shower by McQueary he went straight to the administrative head of campus police, the police agency that had the jurisdiction over any crime committed on the campus of Penn State. Joe Paterno went to the proper authority, he went immediately and he went as high as he could go. The news media, the Penn State trustees, the politicians, ESPN and everyone else who attacked Joe Paterno, given the opportunity, went as low as they could go. They will be remembered for it. And they should all lose their jobs. But before they go, they owe Joe Paterno one big apology.
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#50. To: Original_Intent (#43)
You are making an asssumption that he knew about it well before he reported it. As a coach of college age football players, what makes you so sure he knew about the lurid dealings of those at the school who were busy buggering young adolescent boys? So what about McQueary, how long did HE wait to report it? Oh that's right, he DIDN'T report it, he just mentioned it to Paterno in passing, years after the fact. How was Paterno to know for sure McQueary wasn't just making it up? In my opinion Paterno did the only thing a responsbile person could do, and that is to report it to the police. It wasn't his job to investigate or go to the news media. what happened to sandusky's prospering coaching career in '98; when, as the heir apparent to joe Pe##, it tanked into oblivion ? i believe the truth of this coverup starts in the 70s. this spans 5 decades i'm afraid.
Don't know. Do you? anyone know the dates peculiar to Gricar/non-indictment/disappearance/death and sandusky's sudden retirement in 98-99 to full time boy buggering ?
it ended abruptly and without real explanation. strange is being kind. But it was. It happened under his aegis. Fair or not fair as you see it, but it happened on his watch. When it became apparent that the school would do nothing a morally courageous man would have demanded action. Also, recall that McQueary's report was in 2002 and Sandusky was first investigated in 1998 and (likely forced) retired in '99. And no, with the information currently available to the public one cannot say with certainty that Paterno had any knowledge before '98, but the taint is still there. Whatever the case he is not going to be prosecuted, but will be forever tainted. Remember, the Conference saw fit to remove his name from the Conference Trophy. It is likely we will never know for sure when he first received knowledge of the state of affairs, but I believe history will judge that he did less than he could have to bring this to an end permanently. (edit - this goes on constantly. And people say that Catholic priests are the big pedo's?? The jews are ten times worse!) Brooklyn DA claims record number of child sex-abuse charges vs. haredim November 28, 2011 NEW YORK (JTA) – The Brooklyn District Attorney's Office says it has charged 89 men in the borough's haredi Orthodox communities with child sex abuse -- a threefold increase over a two-year span. However, the Forward reported that Brooklyn DA Charles Hynes declined to provide any details about the cases, making the number of arrests impossible to verify. His spokesman, Jerry Schmetterer, gave the figures to the newspaper in mid-November. The numbers reflect the number of haredi Orthodox men charged with sexual abuse since October 2009. In an e-mail to The Forward in late October, Schmetterer said his office was not prepared to discuss the cases at the time. "Perhaps towards the end of November,” he wrote. In 2009, the Brooklyn District Attorney's Office said it had arrested 26 haredi Orthodox men in the borough for sexual abuse over the previous two years. Hynes had come under fire for allegedly neglecting sexual abuse cases in Brooklyn’s haredi communities. Sexual abuse survivors and their advocates say that Hynes has been lax on the issue because he is afraid of political retaliation from Orthodox voters. Ben Hirsch, president of Survivors for Justice, told The Forward, “We deserve public notice of the arrest and conviction of Orthodox sex offenders, not culturally sensitive policies that keep these cases from the public, thereby placing children in danger.”
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: FormerLurker (#50)
You are making an asssumption that he knew about it well before he reported it. As a coach of college age football players, what makes you so sure he knew about the lurid dealings of those at the school who were busy buggering young adolescent boys?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#52. To: All (#51)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#53. To: Rotara (#51)
what happened to sandusky's prospering coaching career in '98; when, as the heir apparent to joe Pe##, it tanked into oblivion ?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: All (#52)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#55. To: FormerLurker, Jethro Tull (#53)
Don't know. Do you?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#56. To: FormerLurker (#50)
In my opinion Paterno did the only thing a responsbile person could do, and that is to report it to the police. It wasn't his job to investigate or go to the news media.
#57. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull, *The hook-nosed Jew* (#18)
(Edited)
-Alex Kurtagic
#58. To: FormerLurker (#40)
I guess they expected Joe Paterno to grab a shotgun and blast Sandusky. The cops didn't do anything, the PA attorney General didn't do anything for 3 years, and a DA didn't do anything and it cost him his life. Maybe Paterno should have gone on national tv and told the nation about this and repeated what he was told which would have been hearsay. That appears how the LEO's on campus treated it. No wonder people shy away when someone is in distress. Try and help and end up a victim too! Paterno reported the crime as soon as he was made aware of it. What else did you expect him to do?
#59. To: ambi (#47)
I have never claimed that he orchestrated it, and you should know that. What he is guilty of is not ensuring that it ceased in and around the Pe** State Playrooms. As is clear from the undeniable facts he kept his lip zipped, publicly, and did not ensure that the local authorities, or State, were fully informed. What I am contending, which is supported by the facts, is that he participated, at least passively, in the cover up. The football coach orchestrated the coverup and now has paid the price
#60. To: Original_Intent (#59)
what did edmund burke say ? i don't even know if it applies here. probably not.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#61. To: Original_Intent (#56)
There used to be a concept in this much overhyped "Land of the Free", that a person was innocent till proven guilty. No so anymore, especially when involving such riveting issues as boy buggering, which he very well may never have known about nor been involved in. But the real perps walk, and those who DID know early on are given a pass as if it's not THEIR fault, it's the head coaches fault since he "should" have known. And no, with the information currently available to the public one cannot say with certainty that Paterno had any knowledge before '98, but the taint is still there.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: FormerLurker (#61)
what ignorant horseshit.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#63. To: FormerLurker (#50)
What's wrong with you. A major college football coach has plenty of time to go running off to the media and police with 3/4/5 year old info like what McQueary told him. /sarcasm The retards are having fun with this. You are making an asssumption that he knew about it well before he reported it. As a coach of college age football players, what makes you so sure he knew about the lurid dealings of those at the school who were busy buggering young adolescent boys?
#64. To: Rotara (#60)
Oh, I think it most definitely applies. what did edmund burke say ? i don't even know if it applies here. probably not.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." ~ Edmund Burke
#65. To: Original_Intent (#64)
thanks. spot on. however, what kind of men we're dealing with here is yet to be determined imo. Burke was a fine, fine man btw.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#66. To: ambi (#58)
Exactly. New Yorkers seem to have learned that lesson a LONG time ago. No wonder people shy away when someone is in distress. Try and help and end up a victim too!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#67. To: ambi (#58)
I haven't been following this story that closely. Has there been a missing person's investigation of this DA? Why didn't they launch a nationwide search for the guy when he disappeared into thin air? a DA didn't do anything and it cost him his life
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: X-15 (#57)
question: did sandusky convert to methodism from the talmud because i can't tell. i have him down as methodist. fwiw
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#69. To: FormerLurker (#61)
That is a legal fiction presumed in a courtroom in order to provide for a fair trial. No one ever said life is fair, and there is no law requiring it to be. Each individual has for themselves the right, and even obligation, to arrive at their own personal judgment. You are presuming a false premise. It is clearly in evidence that he "did" know. No we cannot say exactly when, but we do know it was at least as early as 1998 and that a predatory pedophile was allowed to roam free and molest boys because people such as Joe Paterno did not have the courage to raise all holy hell. It would seem Pe** State's unofficial motto is: "Don't rock the boat." There used to be a concept in this much overhyped "Land of the Free", that a person was innocent till proven guilty.
But the real perps walk, and those who DID know early on are given a pass as if it's not THEIR fault, it's the head coaches fault since he "should" have known.
#70. To: ambi (#63)
Yeah, so what if he get's his ass sued to hell for "slander and libel" over something someone told him years after the fact, something he had no idea of whether it was true or not. Perhaps this whole "report" was given him for the sole purpose of implicating him and forcing him to step down, as has happened since the prime focus of the media has been Paterno and his "failure to report", which is a huge lie since he DID report it. A major college football coach has plenty of time to go running off to the media and police with 3/4/5 year old info like what McQueary told him.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: Rotara, christine (#68)
christine made a post that he was Jewish, but I do not know the source for that. question: did sandusky convert to methodism from the talmud because i can't tell. i have him down as methodist. fwiw
#72. To: Original_Intent (#69)
Can you provide a link to that information, since I don't recall ever reading that Joe Paterno was aware of child rape occuring at the school prior to his being told about it by McQueary. It is clearly in evidence that he "did" know.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: FormerLurker, ambi, Rotara (#70)
As I mentioned earlier I believe Paterno, whatever his debatable failings, has been made a focus to divert attention from the other likely Peds being serviced through the Ped Sandusky.Perhaps this whole "report" was given him for the sole purpose of implicating him and forcing him to step down, as has happened since the prime focus of the media has been Paterno and his "failure to report", which is a huge lie since he DID report it.
#74. To: X-15 (#57)
Perhaps it has something to do with their religious practice involving circumcision, using a mohel to suck the penis of the baby boy during the procedure... NEW YORK (JTA) – The Brooklyn District Attorney's Office says it has charged 89 men in the borough's haredi Orthodox communities with child sex abuse -- a threefold increase over a two-year span.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: FormerLurker (#72)
Can you provide a link to that information, since I don't recall ever reading that Joe Paterno was aware of child rape occuring at the school prior to his being told about it by McQueary. There was an investigation by the DA in 1998, and Sandusky "retired" at age 55 in 1999 despite being the heir apparent to the Head Coach position. Despite his reputation as a coach no other school would touch him. No, you can quibble all you wish but it is clear from circumstance that there is no way he could not have known. It is clearly in evidence that he "did" know.
#76. To: Original_Intent (#73)
Sort of how Monica Lewinsky was made the focus of the Clinton Impeachment, while ignoring the treason behind Chinese campaign money in exchange for top secret US technology, as well as the murder of Vince Foster and the false flag at OKC. I believe Paterno, whatever his debatable failings, has been made a focus to divert attention from the other likely Peds being serviced through the Ped Sandusky
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: Original_Intent (#59)
No! What you are contending is not supported by the facts. There haven't been any facts brought out yet; only innuendos. The only facts brought out have been that a DA disappeared, the former PA attorney general and now PA governor did nothing when he first learned of the molestations and the PA state police only had one investigator working on this for over 3 years. Did any of them other than the disappeared DA get thrown under the bus. No! Only Paterno. I can understand many of you getting a woodie going after a good looking lady, but getting a woodie and keeping it for 82 year old Joe Paterno makes me wonder about you. What I am contending, which is supported by the facts, is that he participated, at least passively, in the cover up.
#78. To: Original_Intent (#75)
He may have been kept out of the loop, for reasons such as making him a scapegoat later on. No, you can quibble all you wish but it is clear from circumstance that there is no way he could not have known.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#79. To: ambi (#77)
There is no need for ad hominem attacks. The facts are clear and how you choose to judge them, or avoid them, is your business. Have I at any time personally attacked you in this thread? When you have to resort to personal attacks then you are admitting that you have NO FACTS which support your position. So, be it. You condemn yourself and discredit your arguments by your own words. I can understand many of you getting a woodie going after a good looking lady, but getting a woodie and keeping it for 82 year old Joe Paterno makes me wonder about you.
#80. To: Rotara (#68) (Edited)
He's a jew hiding in a church. The internet is being scrubbed and the new meme is "Although his name sounds Jewish, He Ain't One Of Us!". My recent bookmark on an older story that details his true heritage is 404'd as of today. Bernie Fine/Syracuse coach and Graham Spanier/Penn State Pres. are still Jewish until the internet is scrubbed clean of that evidence.
-Alex Kurtagic
#81. To: Original_Intent (#69)
Ok Perry show us the evidence, not heresay or speculation. And what is the source? Did Joe Paterno confess? Was there a trial? On a scale of 1 to 10, I have you at minus6 and droping fast. The only thing my husband says is lower is whale sh*t. It is clearly in evidence that he "did" know.
#82. To: FormerLurker (#78)
As you wish. We appear to be at loggerheads on this point and since we have both made our case I think I'll bow out.
#83. To: ambi (#81)
#84. To: X-15 (#80)
wow. alright then. i think we can well most of us see where this is going. what a mess not so happy valley is in. and spanier was chanc. at Nebraska on the heels of Franklin. i want to figger out who knew what and when.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#85. To: Rotara (#31)
Now that's spot on ! (And, about time too !) fuck you ya dumb bitch.
"Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."
#86. To: Original_Intent (#79) (Edited)
The I keep asking you for the facts and apparently they are only in your minds eye. Has there been a trial. ans. NO! Did someone confess? ans. NO! When you keep stating the facts say Paterno is guilty and you won't post them proves you are living a lie. Facts Please!!! The facts are clear and how you choose to judge them, or avoid them, is your business.
facts,innuendos.are clear and how you choose to judge them, or avoid them, is your business.
#87. To: ambi (#81)
ambi, please read post #1 up at the top for my thoughts on Joe Paterno. He can't dodge this one, Sandusky was still creeping around the campus and all the coaching staff knew what was going on all these years, don't think that tongues don't wag on a college campus.
-Alex Kurtagic
#88. To: X-15 (#87)
I already did and that is only your opinion. Nothing has transpired to make your innuendo a "true" fact. Any armchair quarterbacking is usually after the game is played. This game isn't finished yet! Sometimes speculators come up short. ambi, please read post #1
#89. To: Original_Intent (#69)
hear no speak no see no people. the worst kind imo.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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