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Title: Prosecution Explains Jury Tampering Charge
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NYT Metro
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Published: Dec 1, 2011
Author: BENJAMIN WEISER
Post Date: 2011-12-01 13:57:44 by ghostdogtxn
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#1. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
I read about cases of travesty of justice concerning prosecutors tampering with the jury. What bothers me is why there is nobody to police the prosecution team. Isn't the Grand Jury supposed to handle things like this?
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡ "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson
Well then the only alternative is to sue the prosecutors in their individual capacities! Find out where they live and serve them up the lawsuit. They hate this shit. They think they are totally immune from being prosecuted. They are not immune anymore than judges are not immune. Judges can go to jail and so can prosecutors. www.jail4judges.org/
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. thanks for posting this! Heicklen has done a lot of good work & .the states anger shows he is effective. A year ago, another liberty activist was arrested for filming Heicklen's arrest. The videographer, a ron paul supporter, then sued DHS & won.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
The government loons claim, "Not only can you not hand out JURY NULLIFICATION material, but if you do, we will arrest you. and we will arrest anyone documenting your arrest too." Lol! This proves that they are really afraid of this info getting out there.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Seriously, this story needs a better headline to go viral on the internet. How about "GOVERNMENT ARRESTS 79-YEAR-OLD MAN FOR HANDING OUT LEAFLETS". 79 years old! What absolute trash our government is. devils straight from the depths of hell.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I used to hand out jury nullification info in San Diego 20 years ago - they threatened to arrest us and ultimately they did. Those are private courts on private property. The Constitution has no bearing on commercial courts. "Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."
"...It may not be amiss, here, Gentlemen, to remind you of the good old rule, that on questions of fact, it is the province of the jury, on questions of law, it is the province of the court to decide. But it must be observed that by the same law, which recognizes this reasonable distribution of jurisdiction, you have nevertheless a right to take upon yourselves to judge of both, and to determine the law as well as the fact in controversy. On this, and on every other occasion, however, we have no doubt, you will pay that respect, which is due to the opinion of the court: For, as on the one hand, it is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the other hand, presumbable, that the court are the best judges of the law. But still both objects are lawfully, within your power of decision..." State of Georgia v. Brailsford, 1794 I have often wondered why it is presumed that everyone knows the law and therefore ignorance of the law(s) is no excuse for breaking it/them, but at the same time, if you are ever chosen for jury duty you suddenly become an imbecile who needs some lawyer in the cult of the black robe to explain the law to you. Strange that. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein "...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
The proper statement is: Ignorance of the law is no excuse upon proper notice. In Lambert v. California the Supreme Court of California declared unconstitutional a Los Angeles statute that required all convicted felons to register with the police department within five days of arrival in the city. The Supreme Court held that the lack of either notice or a showing of probability of knowledge of the statute violated due process. "Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."
If the defendant gets a jury trial, isn't the prosecution obligated to put a warm body on the witness stand and proclaim that they're a sitting member of a jury who was illegally influenced in order to fulfill the charge of 'jury tampering'??
#2. To: purplerose (#1)
#3. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)
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#4. To: ghostdogtxn, *libertarians*, *Jack-Booted Thugs*, *Humor-Weird News* (#0)
#5. To: ghostdogtxn, All (#0)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
#6. To: ghostdogtxn, original_intent, lod, christine, jethro tull, eric stratton, twentytwelve, wudidiz, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#0)
#7. To: All, noone222, itistoolate, freepatriot32 (#6)
#8. To: All (#7)
#9. To: Artisan (#7)
#10. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
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“No legal system could long survive,” they added, “if it gave every individual the option of disregarding with impunity any law which by his personal standard was judged morally untenable.”
#11. To: James Deffenbach (#10)
I have often wondered why it is presumed that everyone knows the law and therefore ignorance of the law(s) is no excuse for breaking it/them
#12. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
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Then, last year, federal prosecutors had Mr. Heicklen indicted, charging that his activity violated the law against jury tampering.
-Alex Kurtagic
#13. To: noone222 (#9)
did they proceed with charges, & how did it turn out?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#14. To: noone222, james deffenbach (#11)
wow, I find it very intersting that those last 3 word "upon proper notice" are never known when this phrase is mentioned in the public lexicon. Thanks for the info!
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#15. To: Artisan (#13)
Yes. They charged some with trespassing after threatening jury tampering ... and those charged paid minor fines. (I wasn't one that was arrested.)
"Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."
#16. To: noone222, x-15, eric stratton, james deffenbach, purplerose, ghostdogtxn (#15)
ha ha ha. Look at what I just found about this guy, from an earlier article about his indictment in february: http://www.nytimes .com/2011/02/26/nyregion/26jury.html and this is from 1999: http://www.personal.psu.edu/ jph13/wmart.html COURT DISMISSES CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST HEICKLEN Julian Heicklen, a Libertarian Party candidate for County Commissioner, was arrested on March 12, 1999, for distributing campaign literature in front of the Wal-Mart on the Benner Pike in Centre County, PA. He was carried away in handcuffs for arraignment, where he was charged with criminal trespass and released on his own recognizance. The following day, Heicklen returned to the front of the Wal-Mart store and again distributed campaign literature. He was arrested and charged with criminal trespass and disorderly conduct. He was incarcerated in Centre County prison in lieu of $75,000 straight bail. At his preliminary hearing on March 17, 1999, he was bound over for trial and released on $20,000 straight bail. Heicklen's attorney, Joseph Devecka, filed a writ of Habeas Corpus to dismiss the charges. On June 15, 1999, Judge Thomas King Kistler of the Centre County Court of Common Pleas granted the writ of Habeas Corpus and dismissed the criminal trespass charges. In his Opinion, Judge Kistler stated that: "Wal- Mart has not uniformly and generally prevented the area in front of the store from becoming a public forum." In court on Friday, Judge Wood cited a written request by Mr. Heicklen that Muslims be “excluded from the jury” because he was Jewish and “Islam preaches death to Jews.” Because he was charged with a misdemeanor, she said, he was not entitled to a jury trial; and in any case, she said, jurors may not be excluded because of religion. Mr. Heicklen has extended his protest to suing the government and various hospitals to which he was taken after being issued citations and falling to the ground. “Plaintiff Heicklen,” he said in one suit, “has become an angry man.”
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#17. To: noone222 (#11)
I've never heard it stated that way. The only way I have ever heard it was that "ignorance of the law is no excuse." The proper statement is: Ignorance of the law is no excuse upon proper notice.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein
"...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#18. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
Well, now you have heard it ! I've never heard it stated that way. The only way I have ever heard it was that "ignorance of the law is no excuse."
"Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."
#19. To: noone222 (#18)
Yeah, that does make some sense. Because no one, not even the smartest judge in the country, could even know what all the "zillions" of "laws" are, much less how to avoid breaking several of them every time you venture more than ten feet outside your own property.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein
"...if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#20. To: Artisan (#6)
I hope they (DHS) got their just desserts. ;) The videographer, a ron paul supporter, then sued DHS & won.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#21. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
You have to watch your step all the time. Personally, I don't care about them one bit. ;) much less how to avoid breaking several of them every time you venture more than ten feet outside your own property.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#22. To: Artisan (#7)
Anyone who does not know about jury nullification should investigate for themselves. It is a citizen's right to know of these things, and the final check against gooberment tyranny. The government loons claim, "Not only can you not hand out JURY NULLIFICATION material, but if you do, we will arrest you. and we will arrest anyone documenting your arrest too." Lol! This proves that they are really afraid of this info getting out there.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
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