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Title: Drone crash in Iran has US worried over spy secrets
Source: [NZ Herald]
URL Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new ... e.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10771425
Published: Dec 6, 2011
Author: Lolita C. Baldor
Post Date: 2011-12-06 21:44:04 by angK
Keywords: None
Views: 445
Comments: 28

United States military officials are concerned that Tehran may have an opportunity to acquire information about the classified surveillance drone programme after one of the stealthy aircraft crashed in Iran.

A senior US official yesterday said the drone was on a mission for the CIA but that it was unclear whether the drone's mission took it over Iran or whether it strayed there accidentally because of technical malfunctions.

Though the drone flight was a CIA operation, US military personnel were involved in flying the aircraft, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy involved.

On Monday, Iran's armed forces said they had brought down RQ-170 - known as the Sentinel - that violated the country's airspace along the eastern border. Nato's US-led force in neighbouring Afghanistan said Iranian authorities might have been referring to an unarmed US reconnaissance plane that went missing during a mission in western Afghanistan late last week.

Ever since it was developed at Lockheed Martin Corp's famed Skunk Works facility in Palmdale, California, the Sentinel drone has been cloaked in tight secrecy by the US Government.

But now the drone that the Iranian military claims to have brought down for invading its airspace might be made far more public than the Pentagon or Lockheed ever intended.

Another US official with access to intelligence said that losing the Sentinel was a major security breach. The official, who was not authorised to publicly speak about the information, wouldn't say how the drone fell into Iranian hands, but confirmed that the downed drone was largely intact.

"It's bad - they'll have everything" in terms of the secret technology in the aircraft, the official said. "And the Chinese or the Russians will have it too."

Peter Singer, author of Wired for War, a book about robotic warfare, said it was not new to have drones downed in enemy territory, but that the RQ-170 represents the next generation of drone aircraft.

"It carries a variety of systems that wouldn't be much of a benefit to Iran, but to its allies such as China and Russia, it's a potential gold mine," Singer said.

Defence analyst Loren Thompson of the Virginia-based Lexington Institute doubted Iran shot down the drone or that there would be much left of it to sell.

"They were designed to be silver bullets that could go places that other manned or unmanned aircraft would not be able to go," she said.

"This is a high-flying unmanned aircraft that malfunctioned and then fell to earth.

"It's likely to be broken up into hundreds of pieces."

- AP


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Why are they so worried if the drone is likely to be broken up into hundreds of pieces? Wishful thinking?

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#3. To: angK (#0)

If it landed nearly intact, perhaps "somebody" managed to hack into its controls and bring it down safely.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2011-12-06   22:01:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Obnoxicated (#3)

If it landed nearly intact, perhaps "somebody" managed to hack into its controls and bring it down safely.

I think that's doubtful. Or at least, I don't think there's much to suggest that had to happen.

These drones are relatively small and light, compared to manned aircraft, so an impact on the ground would be a magnitude or 3 less catastrophic. Granted even then, a split S nose dive would smash even a small RC airplane (speaking from experience... ahem...). But if it simply glided, which it's no doubt programmed to do by default in the event of loss of contact with controllers, until it hit the ground, then it may well be in reasonably good condition.

If nothing else, Iran has something they could trade to Russia for some high end anti-ship or anti-sub missiles. Or maybe just a nuke bomb just to put an end to the speculation that they might build one, which might be a good way to just shut down this whole issue about them building nukes. And then everyone would leave them alone.

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-12-06   23:32:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#10)

Granted even then, a split S nose dive would smash even a small RC airplane (speaking from experience... ahem...).

You too, huh?

They are fun to fly, but the crashes hurt.

But wouldn't it make more sense to self-destruct instead of glide if control is lost?

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-12-07   7:47:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#14. To: PSUSA2 (#13) (Edited)

you'd have to know the frequency of the control receivers on the drone.

you'd have to know the software well enough to tune the receivers to your frequency... which would eliminate "self destruct" commands coming in on the original frequency.

you'd have to know the software well enough to disable "self destruct" programs that would destroy the drone if it went off course... but maybe that's not a feature, or maybe the drone would assume your new course was the right course.

you'd have to know the software well enough to squirt in the GPS coordinates of where you wanted the plane to land, and the GPS approach data.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-12-07 08:23:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: PSUSA2 (#13)

But wouldn't it make more sense to self-destruct instead of glide if control is lost?

Only if they put a bomb on board the plane in advance. I'd think patriotic American contract engineers would be too proud to suggest it would be needed.

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-12-07 12:25:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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