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Title: Drone crash in Iran has US worried over spy secrets
Source: [NZ Herald]
URL Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new ... e.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10771425
Published: Dec 6, 2011
Author: Lolita C. Baldor
Post Date: 2011-12-06 21:44:04 by angK
Keywords: None
Views: 454
Comments: 28

United States military officials are concerned that Tehran may have an opportunity to acquire information about the classified surveillance drone programme after one of the stealthy aircraft crashed in Iran.

A senior US official yesterday said the drone was on a mission for the CIA but that it was unclear whether the drone's mission took it over Iran or whether it strayed there accidentally because of technical malfunctions.

Though the drone flight was a CIA operation, US military personnel were involved in flying the aircraft, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy involved.

On Monday, Iran's armed forces said they had brought down RQ-170 - known as the Sentinel - that violated the country's airspace along the eastern border. Nato's US-led force in neighbouring Afghanistan said Iranian authorities might have been referring to an unarmed US reconnaissance plane that went missing during a mission in western Afghanistan late last week.

Ever since it was developed at Lockheed Martin Corp's famed Skunk Works facility in Palmdale, California, the Sentinel drone has been cloaked in tight secrecy by the US Government.

But now the drone that the Iranian military claims to have brought down for invading its airspace might be made far more public than the Pentagon or Lockheed ever intended.

Another US official with access to intelligence said that losing the Sentinel was a major security breach. The official, who was not authorised to publicly speak about the information, wouldn't say how the drone fell into Iranian hands, but confirmed that the downed drone was largely intact.

"It's bad - they'll have everything" in terms of the secret technology in the aircraft, the official said. "And the Chinese or the Russians will have it too."

Peter Singer, author of Wired for War, a book about robotic warfare, said it was not new to have drones downed in enemy territory, but that the RQ-170 represents the next generation of drone aircraft.

"It carries a variety of systems that wouldn't be much of a benefit to Iran, but to its allies such as China and Russia, it's a potential gold mine," Singer said.

Defence analyst Loren Thompson of the Virginia-based Lexington Institute doubted Iran shot down the drone or that there would be much left of it to sell.

"They were designed to be silver bullets that could go places that other manned or unmanned aircraft would not be able to go," she said.

"This is a high-flying unmanned aircraft that malfunctioned and then fell to earth.

"It's likely to be broken up into hundreds of pieces."

- AP


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Why are they so worried if the drone is likely to be broken up into hundreds of pieces? Wishful thinking?

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#3. To: angK (#0)

If it landed nearly intact, perhaps "somebody" managed to hack into its controls and bring it down safely.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2011-12-06   22:01:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Obnoxicated (#3)

If it landed nearly intact, perhaps "somebody" managed to hack into its controls and bring it down safely.

Now that makes sense. I wonder if Lockheed Martin has been using Chinese components to save money?

angK  posted on  2011-12-06   22:13:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: angK (#5)

I don't think the chinese are that advanced yet. Maybe a collaboration between them and the russians, perhaps? Can you imagine the panic in the control room if that's what happened? Them boys were probably shitting bricks.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2011-12-06   22:20:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Obnoxicated (#6)

I don't think the chinese are that advanced yet.

I seem to remember something about that. I'll Google it:

Earlier this year, Boeing and the Navy found that the ice detection system on a brand new P-8 Poseidon was defective. The ice detection system is a critical piece of hardware designed to prevent tragedies by alerting pilots to the presence of ice on an aircraft’s control surfaces. Where did this defective part come from? China. A whole batch of a key piece of the ice detection hardware that was sent to the P-8 production line turned out to be used and worn out parts that were badly refurbished and sold to P-8 subcontractor BAE Systems as a new part, according to Levin. Boeing and BAE first became aware of the problem in 2009, he added.

The fake P-8 parts are just one of many examples of how counterfeit parts — often made from 1980s and 1990s-vintage junk computer parts that are sanded down and remarked in China and then sold back to the U.S. as brand new computer chips for advanced weapons systems. One witness at the hearing just described growing counterfiet semiconductors seeping into critical weapons systems as “ticking time bombs.”

Levin also noted that China feels no need to cooperate in his investigation into the problem, saying that the Chinese ambassador to Washington declined to send a representative to the hearing, despite the fact that there’s plenty of evidence that the vast majority of counterfeit weapons parts are coming from China.

This is just the tip of the iceberg of a huge problem that I wrote extensively about at Inside the Air Force in early 2008. Oh, and while the Pentagon and defense industry is working on detecting counterfeit parts, the counterfitters are becoming ever more adept at hiding the fact that their parts are fake.

Read more: http://defensetech.org/2011/11/08/counterfeit-parts-found-on-new-p-8-posiedons/#ixzz1foq8z4Ei Defense.org

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