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Title: If Libby's Indicted, Cheney Will Feel the Heat - Once Scooter sings, it's a whole new Plame Affair
Source: The Village Voice
URL Source: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0544,mondocheney,69507,2.html
Published: Oct 29, 2005
Author: James Ridgeway
Post Date: 2005-10-29 00:28:30 by robin
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Keywords: Indicted,, Libbys, Scooter
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WASHINGTON, D.C. If, as the New York Times reports, Dick Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis Libby is to be indicted today in the Plame Affair, then the person in the Bush administration most on the hot seat is actually Vice President Dick Cheney.

The Times today says that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald may press charges that Scooter Libby lied to the grand jury investigating the leaking of the name of Valerie Plame, a CIA agent whose husband, Joe Wilson, was a vocal critic of the White House's rationale for the war in Iraq. The paper says Fitzgerald will likely ask to have the grand jury's term extended:

Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, is expected to be indicted today for making false statements to the grand jury in the C.I.A. leak case, lawyers in the case said Thursday.
Karl Rove, President Bush's senior adviser and deputy chief of staff, will not be charged today, but will remain under investigation, people briefed officially about the case said.33;

It remains unclear what role, if any, Cheney played in revealing Plame's identity to reporters. But having his chief of staff under indictment would deal a serious blow to his office. Among other risks is that Fitzgerald could get Libby to start providing a fuller picture of what happened, which might not be in Cheney's best interests.

Thursday in the National Journal, Murray Waas gave a rundown of the kind of thing Cheney could well prefer to hide:

"Vice President Cheney and his chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, overruling advice from some White House political staffers and lawyers, decided to withhold crucial documents from the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2004 when the panel was investigating the use of pre-war intelligence that erroneously concluded Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, according to Bush administration and congressional sources."

If Cheney were forced to resign, speculation has been that Bush might name Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to the job. Other names flying around include that of Rudy Giuliani.

The last time a vice president had to be replaced was during Watergate, in 1973, when Richard Nixon's vice president, Spiro Agnew, had to go. At the time, Agnew was trying to get around a grand jury inquiry into kick-backs, bribery, and tax evasion by insisting only the Congress could remove him.

Agnew ultimately resigned as part of a plea bargain. Gerald Ford was named to replace him, and after Nixon resigned, Ford became president and picked Nelson Rockefeller as his second. This was the first use of the 25th Amendment. Subscribe to *Plamegate*

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#1. To: robin (#0)

Published: Oct 29, 2005

WASHINGTON, D.C. If, as the New York Times reports, Dick Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis Libby is to be indicted today in the Plame Affair

Didn't this already happen?

Where are you getting your 'news' anyway?

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   0:32:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: _Jim (#1)

If Libby's Indicted, Cheney Will Feel the Heat
Once Scooter sings, it's a whole new Plame Affair
by James Ridgeway
October 28th, 2005 10:09 AM

It is from this morning (I'm on the West Coast so it is still the 28th), although the date is not all that important, it is the substance of the article that is important. Of interest in this article is the idea that Scooter may "sing" and force Cheney to resign.

This is information that has not been publicized near enough yet:

Thursday in the National Journal, Murray Waas gave a rundown of the kind of thing Cheney could well prefer to hide:

"Vice President Cheney and his chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, overruling advice from some White House political staffers and lawyers, decided to withhold crucial documents from the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2004 when the panel was investigating the use of pre-war intelligence that erroneously concluded Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, according to Bush administration and congressional sources."

robin  posted on  2005-10-29   0:37:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#2)

Once Scooter sings

Not going to happen.

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   1:27:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: _Jim (#3)

Not going to happen.

Horse s**t. Any grown man who allows himself to be called scooter, is quite capabe of spilling the beans. Is this guy a fag?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-10-29   1:38:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

Not going to happen; you guys don't even read your own press.

The Bush 'Crime family syndicate' will make sure he doesn't sing.

Halliburtan et al cannot afford to lose Bushco to impeachment (kicked off by ousting Rover first), therefore, Bushco will be propped up by those 'powers' that underly Halliburtan et al.

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   1:47:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: _Jim (#7)

you guys don't even read your own press.

Who are "we" guys?

I'm not an R, nor a D. Both parties suck.

But I do agree with you in a way....nothing will happen. Anyone waiting for a downfall from this latter day House of Usher is quilty of wishful thinking.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-10-29   1:53:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Who are "we" guys?

We guys are commies.

Jizzbreath defines a communist as being a person who wouldn't enjoy fluffing Bush in the shower.

avian virus  posted on  2005-10-29   9:16:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: avian virus (#22)

Is traffic generally this light in the mornings?

Or are all your compadres too scared to come out and try and make intelligent arguments in rebuttle to my posts this morning?

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   9:21:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: _Jim (#23)

Or are all your compadres too scared to come out and try and make intelligent arguments in rebuttle to my posts this morning?

We tried to be an adult with you last night and all you did was spin and tap dance.

You made as ass out of yourself and we lost all respect for you.

Now we are just trashing you for fun.

avian virus  posted on  2005-10-29   9:30:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: avian virus (#28)

When Libby sings 222 indictments will come down. Bush and Cheney will be frog marched out of the White House. Everyone except the butlers will be in jail. All of them will be raped. In the new administration Raimondo will be press secretary. Wayne Madsen will be Secretary of State. Tom Flocco will be Vice President. President will be . . . Michael Moore. I can't wait.

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   19:22:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: bondhue (#39)

When Libby sings 222 indictments will come down. Bush and Cheney will be frog marched out of the White House. Everyone except the butlers will be in jail. All of them will be raped. In the new administration Raimondo will be press secretary. Wayne Madsen will be Secretary of State. Tom Flocco will be Vice President. President will be . . . Michael Moore. I can't wait.

I never said anything of the sort.

And you know that.

If you want to prove me wrong, post a link. But do us all a favor and don't start spinning and jumping the subject like a nine year old kid this evening.

The adults are talking here. Come back when you grow up.

avian virus  posted on  2005-10-29   19:29:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: avian virus (#40)

Sorry, just trying to get into the flow of things here. I originally came to read the market posts, but I had to wade through a dozen articles by Madsen, Flocco, Raimondo, and several other well-connected, sober folks. I trying to reeducate myself. Me and John Candy.

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   19:43:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: bondhue (#43)

Sorry, just trying to get into the flow of things here. I originally came to read the market posts, but I had to wade through a dozen articles by Madsen, Flocco, Raimondo, and several other well-connected, sober folks. I trying to reeducate myself.

You still haven't substantiated your pet theory that France was behind the Niger uranium forgeries. Maybe you should save yourself a lot of grief and stick to FreeRepublic and FoxNews.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-29   20:47:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Dakmar (#50)

I gave that up for the latest from Madsen, Flocco, Raimondo. I have been reeducated, comrade. Shall I give you a Marxist/Leninist interpretation of breathing?

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   21:42:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: bondhue (#52)

Shall I give you a Marxist/Leninist interpretation of breathing?

Please do, bondhue, sounds like a good takeoff point. Waiting...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-29   21:45:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Dakmar (#53)

Here's the link for you.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml? xml=/news/2004/09/19/wniger19.xml

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   21:57:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: bondhue (#54)

Martino? That's a WOP name, what are you, on dope?

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-29   22:07:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Dakmar (#55)

Here's another link for you, comrade, as if we could stand to read another piece of anti-revolutionary, reactionary drivel.

http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php? comments_id=3479

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   22:15:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: bondhue (#56)

There is no limit to the topics appearing on The American Thinker. National security in all its dimensions, strategic, economic, diplomatic, and military is emphasized. The right to exist, and the survival of the State of Israel are of great importance to us. Business, science, technology, medicine, management, and economics in their practical and ethical dimensions are also emphasized, as is the state of American culture.

The American Thinker? Now there's a real un-biased source, LOL.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-29   22:18:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Dakmar (#57)

Yes, and the London Telegraph, which broke the story and is the first link I supplied, is a fascist run paper with that awful Ambrose-Evans Pritchard on its dole. /irony

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   22:30:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: bondhue (#58)

I don't live in your Ivory Tower world, so you'll surely excuse me if I tell you to go fuck yourself...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-29   22:32:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Dakmar (#59)

I have been excusing you all along.

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   22:48:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: bondhue (#61)

I have been excusing you all along.

Neat, send me a check for $2000, bitch!

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-29   22:49:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Dakmar (#63)

That $2000 went for a debit card given to a person who was never employed and is likely never to be employed. Get it from him.

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   22:59:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: bondhue (#64)

Republicans are in charge, $2000 credit card was their idea. Put your money where your mouth is, creep.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-29   23:01:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Dakmar (#65)

What made you think I like the Republicans, or their socialist policies?

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   23:05:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: bondhue (#66)

What made you think I like the Republicans, or their socialist policies?

Everything you've ever posted to me. Look it up, it's all in the database.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-29   23:10:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Dakmar (#67)

Well, I suppose I have posted that making outrageous claims of wrongdoing by people is wrong. I don't care if it's Bush or Gore, Dean or Barbour. Sitting around gleefully waiting for people to be indicted, without a shred of proof of their guilt, is wrong. I think that principle applies for anyone, even Republicans who fund bridges to nowhere.

FWIW I hope George Ryan gets what is legally coming to him, as does Abramoff and his gang.

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   23:22:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#69. To: bondhue (#68)

Sitting around gleefully waiting for people to be indicted, without a shred of proof of their guilt, is wrong. I think that principle applies for anyone, even Republicans who fund bridges to nowhere.

You are insane if you believe your own horse-shit lies about no difference between socialist liberal left wing whatevers and traditional liberals, aka paloecons, libertarians and assorted kooks. :)

pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-29 23:32:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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