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Title: If Libby's Indicted, Cheney Will Feel the Heat - Once Scooter sings, it's a whole new Plame Affair
Source: The Village Voice
URL Source: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0544,mondocheney,69507,2.html
Published: Oct 29, 2005
Author: James Ridgeway
Post Date: 2005-10-29 00:28:30 by robin
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Keywords: Indicted,, Libbys, Scooter
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Comments: 71

WASHINGTON, D.C. If, as the New York Times reports, Dick Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis Libby is to be indicted today in the Plame Affair, then the person in the Bush administration most on the hot seat is actually Vice President Dick Cheney.

The Times today says that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald may press charges that Scooter Libby lied to the grand jury investigating the leaking of the name of Valerie Plame, a CIA agent whose husband, Joe Wilson, was a vocal critic of the White House's rationale for the war in Iraq. The paper says Fitzgerald will likely ask to have the grand jury's term extended:

Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, is expected to be indicted today for making false statements to the grand jury in the C.I.A. leak case, lawyers in the case said Thursday.
Karl Rove, President Bush's senior adviser and deputy chief of staff, will not be charged today, but will remain under investigation, people briefed officially about the case said.33;

It remains unclear what role, if any, Cheney played in revealing Plame's identity to reporters. But having his chief of staff under indictment would deal a serious blow to his office. Among other risks is that Fitzgerald could get Libby to start providing a fuller picture of what happened, which might not be in Cheney's best interests.

Thursday in the National Journal, Murray Waas gave a rundown of the kind of thing Cheney could well prefer to hide:

"Vice President Cheney and his chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, overruling advice from some White House political staffers and lawyers, decided to withhold crucial documents from the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2004 when the panel was investigating the use of pre-war intelligence that erroneously concluded Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, according to Bush administration and congressional sources."

If Cheney were forced to resign, speculation has been that Bush might name Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to the job. Other names flying around include that of Rudy Giuliani.

The last time a vice president had to be replaced was during Watergate, in 1973, when Richard Nixon's vice president, Spiro Agnew, had to go. At the time, Agnew was trying to get around a grand jury inquiry into kick-backs, bribery, and tax evasion by insisting only the Congress could remove him.

Agnew ultimately resigned as part of a plea bargain. Gerald Ford was named to replace him, and after Nixon resigned, Ford became president and picked Nelson Rockefeller as his second. This was the first use of the 25th Amendment. Subscribe to *Plamegate*

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#1. To: robin (#0)

Published: Oct 29, 2005

WASHINGTON, D.C. If, as the New York Times reports, Dick Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis Libby is to be indicted today in the Plame Affair

Didn't this already happen?

Where are you getting your 'news' anyway?

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   0:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: _Jim (#1)

If Libby's Indicted, Cheney Will Feel the Heat
Once Scooter sings, it's a whole new Plame Affair
by James Ridgeway
October 28th, 2005 10:09 AM

It is from this morning (I'm on the West Coast so it is still the 28th), although the date is not all that important, it is the substance of the article that is important. Of interest in this article is the idea that Scooter may "sing" and force Cheney to resign.

This is information that has not been publicized near enough yet:

Thursday in the National Journal, Murray Waas gave a rundown of the kind of thing Cheney could well prefer to hide:

"Vice President Cheney and his chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, overruling advice from some White House political staffers and lawyers, decided to withhold crucial documents from the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2004 when the panel was investigating the use of pre-war intelligence that erroneously concluded Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, according to Bush administration and congressional sources."

Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld

robin  posted on  2005-10-29   0:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#2)

Once Scooter sings

Not going to happen.

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   1:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#0)

This all a ploy, don't you know, to get Condoleeza into the VP slot, ahead of the 2006 Pres elections.

Kinda makes sense, don't ya think?

Crafty of Rove to have set up Libby (and Cheney!) that way!

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   1:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: _Jim (#3)

Not going to happen.

Horse s**t. Any grown man who allows himself to be called scooter, is quite capabe of spilling the beans. Is this guy a fag?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-10-29   1:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: _Jim (#3)

Not going to happen.

30 years is long time to be holding hands with Bubba.

FormerLurker  posted on  2005-10-29   1:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

Not going to happen; you guys don't even read your own press.

The Bush 'Crime family syndicate' will make sure he doesn't sing.

Halliburtan et al cannot afford to lose Bushco to impeachment (kicked off by ousting Rover first), therefore, Bushco will be propped up by those 'powers' that underly Halliburtan et al.

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   1:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: _Jim (#7)

you guys don't even read your own press.

Who are "we" guys?

I'm not an R, nor a D. Both parties suck.

But I do agree with you in a way....nothing will happen. Anyone waiting for a downfall from this latter day House of Usher is quilty of wishful thinking.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-10-29   1:53:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: _Jim (#7)

The Bush 'Crime family syndicate' will make sure he doesn't sing.

Halliburtan et al cannot afford to lose Bushco to impeachment (kicked off by ousting Rover first), therefore, Bushco will be propped up by those 'powers' that underly Halliburtan et al.

Er, _Jim. Have you perchance taken the Red Pill, instead of the Blue one this evening?

FormerLurker  posted on  2005-10-29   3:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#9)

Er, _Jim. Have you perchance taken the Red Pill, instead of the Blue one this evening?

_Jim doesn't take pills. He uses suppositories. He just loves the feeling of cramming something in his anal cavity.

Soda Pop  posted on  2005-10-29   5:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker (#9)

Behold the power of the Illuminati; behold the power of the Bilderbergers; behold the power of the CFR; behold the power of the Trilaterists; behold the power of the Fifth Column; behold the power of the red pill ...

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   8:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: _Jim (#11)

behold the power of the Fifth Column;

You would know, you're part of it, you scumbag.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-10-29   8:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Flintlock (#12)

Goodby Gracy.

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   8:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: _Jim (#13)

Goodby

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out dickweed.

Soda Pop  posted on  2005-10-29   8:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

you guys don't even read your own press.

I guess I would say your own 'press' is what I read here on this site, the news, the self-authiored material, the analysis; often that is referred to as one's own 'press' or more literally 'press release', published press reports etc.

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   8:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Flintlock (#13)

FLint, you're on Bozo filter 'til you can be come civil.

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   8:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: _Jim (#16)

FLint, you're on Bozo filter 'til you can be come civil

You can put me on there too.

Soda Pop  posted on  2005-10-29   9:00:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Flintlock (#12)

Awwwwww, gee whiz, Flint. Now you've done it. You went and upset Jizzbreath_Jim. Hahahahaha!

There's kind of a freedom in being completly screwed.

Esso  posted on  2005-10-29   9:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Esso (#18)

Call it 'discpline', like with a dog and a new carpet; he's going to have to learn and eventually be 'housebroken'.

Civility is not something one is born with, it's a learned trait. It appears that Flint may not have gotten training in those early years, or, has simply devolved here in the later years ... If he actualy wants to converse or correspond, he's going to have to come 'down to earth' and meet some minimum standards, namely, be civil.

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   9:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Esso, Jizzbreath_Jim (#18)

Jizzbreath_Jim

ROTFLMAO

That's a keeper.

I'm sure it's also an accurate description.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-10-29   9:12:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Esso (#18)

Jizzbreath_Jim

LMAO!

avian virus  posted on  2005-10-29   9:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Who are "we" guys?

We guys are commies.

Jizzbreath defines a communist as being a person who wouldn't enjoy fluffing Bush in the shower.

avian virus  posted on  2005-10-29   9:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: avian virus (#22)

Is traffic generally this light in the mornings?

Or are all your compadres too scared to come out and try and make intelligent arguments in rebuttle to my posts this morning?

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   9:21:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: _Jim (#19)

and eventually be 'housebroken'

You aren't. You seem to enjoy coming in here and crapping the place up.

Soda Pop  posted on  2005-10-29   9:22:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: avian virus (#22)

Okay - okay - I'll give you that 'they' may be busy doing yardwork and 'garage saling' this morning; I've got to make a pot of coffee and get busy myself.

Good bye for now, Gracy.

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   9:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Flintlock (#25)

Flint, PM me when you're civil again and I'll take you off Bozo ...

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   9:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: _Jim (#15)

Your #15 doesn't address my #8. Adult ADD?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-10-29   9:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: _Jim (#23)

Or are all your compadres too scared to come out and try and make intelligent arguments in rebuttle to my posts this morning?

We tried to be an adult with you last night and all you did was spin and tap dance.

You made as ass out of yourself and we lost all respect for you.

Now we are just trashing you for fun.

avian virus  posted on  2005-10-29   9:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: _Jim (#26)

Flint, PM me when you're civil again and I'll take you off Bozo ...

I think he likes being on your bozo filter.

avian virus  posted on  2005-10-29   9:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: avian virus, Jizzbreath_Jim (#22)

Jizzbreath defines a communist as being a person who wouldn't enjoy fluffing Bush in the shower.

Jizzbreath_Jim would blow a goat, beg for more and show the photos to this mother, if his handlers told him to.

Let's look at some of his past works:

Jizzbreath_Jim defended the ATF's murderous actions at Waco while Clinton was president.

Jizzbreath_Jim defended the governments version of events at OK city

Jizzbreath_Jim, now defends the governments version of 9/11 and promotes our invasion and illegal war in Iraq.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-10-29   9:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Flintlock (#30)

Yeah, but what I'm wondering is, how are you going to make it through the weekend knowing that you're on his bozo list?

Oh, the humanity! We might have to start a 'Free Flintlock' fund.

There's kind of a freedom in being completly screwed.

Esso  posted on  2005-10-29   9:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Esso, _Jim stole Trace s gerbils (#31)

how are you going to make it through the weekend knowing that you're on his bozo list?

As usual, Jizzbreath_Jim is full of it.

I'm not on his bozo I can see all his posts (if you can call them posts)


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-10-29   9:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: _Jim (#11)

...behold an assclown pussy which can't spell English words and clings to the sinking ship that is the Bush mal-Administration.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-10-29   12:47:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Flintlock, all (#30)

#30. To: avian virus, Jizzbreath_Jim (#22)

Jizzbreath defines a communist as being a person who wouldn't enjoy fluffing Bush in the shower.

Jizzbreath_Jim would blow a goat, beg for more and show the photos to this mother, if his handlers told him to.

Let's look at some of his past works:

Jizzbreath_Jim defended the ATF's murderous actions at Waco while Clinton was president.

Jizzbreath_Jim defended the governments version of events at OK city

Jizzbreath_Jim, now defends the governments version of 9/11 and promotes our invasion and illegal war in Iraq.

How about this: While you're on his bozo filter we all quote you in full in our replies so he has to read them anyways?

PnbC  posted on  2005-10-29   13:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: robin (#0)

Nahh, Trial drags on, lowlevel background, Bush pardons Libby and if need be, Cheney.

Of course, Dickie's the one who instigated this; the war has made him gazillions.

The Haliban don't let their profits slip by easily.

"I want the American people to know that our dreams are gone, our work was in vain. There will be no future for our children and our grandchildren in the new Iraq. The future is for the clerics. This is not the democracy we dreamed of. "--Dr. Raja Kuzai

swarthyguy  posted on  2005-10-29   15:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: robin (#2)

You deserve a nice, big ATTA GIRL!!!

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-29   18:59:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FormerLurker (#6)

30 years is long time to be holding hands with Bubba.

ROTF........nah! I won't say a word....... :) Scooter and Bubba!

ROTF! Bitch and Bitchor.

rowdee  posted on  2005-10-29   19:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Flintlock, _Jim (#30)

_Jim, now defends the governments version of 9/11 and promotes our invasion and illegal war in Iraq.

Gee, I hope Jim is posting from Iraq then..

Lady X  posted on  2005-10-29   19:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: avian virus (#28)

When Libby sings 222 indictments will come down. Bush and Cheney will be frog marched out of the White House. Everyone except the butlers will be in jail. All of them will be raped. In the new administration Raimondo will be press secretary. Wayne Madsen will be Secretary of State. Tom Flocco will be Vice President. President will be . . . Michael Moore. I can't wait.

bondhue  posted on  2005-10-29   19:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: bondhue (#39)

When Libby sings 222 indictments will come down. Bush and Cheney will be frog marched out of the White House. Everyone except the butlers will be in jail. All of them will be raped. In the new administration Raimondo will be press secretary. Wayne Madsen will be Secretary of State. Tom Flocco will be Vice President. President will be . . . Michael Moore. I can't wait.

I never said anything of the sort.

And you know that.

If you want to prove me wrong, post a link. But do us all a favor and don't start spinning and jumping the subject like a nine year old kid this evening.

The adults are talking here. Come back when you grow up.

avian virus  posted on  2005-10-29   19:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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