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Title: THE TORTURE THREAD THAT GOLDI-LOX HAD TO DELETE
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Washington Post
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=47942
Published: Jun 27, 2003
Author: Peter Slevin
Post Date: 2005-10-29 02:05:12 by Uncle Bill
Keywords: GOLDI-LOX, TORTURE, THREAD
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DELETED: Sorry: This Article does not exist! It either does not yet exist, or has been deleted! Born-Again: U.S. PLEDGES TO AVOID TORTURE Title: U.S. PLEDGES TO AVOID TORTURE June 27, 2003 U.S. Pledges to Avoid Torture Pledge on Terror Suspects Comes Amid Probes of Two Deaths The Washington Post The Bush administration pledged yesterday for the first time that the United States will not torture terrorism suspects or treat them cruelly in an attempt to extract information, a move that comes as the deaths of two Afghan prisoners in U.S. custody are being investigated as homicides. "All interrogations, wherever they may occur," must be conducted without the use of cruel and inhuman tactics, the Pentagon's senior lawyer wrote after members of Congress and human rights groups pressed the White House to renounce abusive tactics reported by U.S. government officials. On a day when President Bush asserted that his administration intends to lead by example in a global fight against torture, Defense Department general counsel William J. Haynes II said that anyone found to have broken the law in the Afghanistan deaths will be prosecuted. Human rights organizations welcomed the announcement, which went further than the Bush administration had gone before. An earlier letter from Haynes, for example, had mentioned the prohibition against torture without citing the broader category of mistreatment that is against the law in the United States. While neither Bush nor Haynes cited specific tactics, human rights activists said the administration appeared to bar such techniques as depriving prisoners of sleep, withholding medicine and forcing them to stand at length in painful positions. U.S. authorities have used each technique against captives held abroad in the war on terrorism, according to current and former national security officials interviewed last year by The Washington Post. "The president and Defense Department have today unequivocally rejected the use of any techniques to interrogate suspects that would constitute 'cruel' treatment prohibited by the U.S. Constitution," a group of human rights organizations, including Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Freedom House and the Center of Victims of Torture, said in a joint statement. They called on the administration to allow independent monitors to "assure the world that this pledge is being fully redeemed in practice." U.S. treatment of terror suspects and potential witnesses has been particularly obscure. The Bush administration typically prevents prisoners from contacting attorneys or asserting rights to fair treatment. Indeed, U.S. authorities have refused to identify the large majority of detainees or release any information about them, arguing that such data could help terrorists. In the first 15 months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, nearly 3,000 suspected al Qaeda members and supporters were detained worldwide, according to U.S. officials. National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack said yesterday that prisoners abroad are being treated humanely, but reports have surfaced in the news media about cruel treatment of detainees in American-run detention centers, where the rules of due process are not always applied. In interviews with The Post last year, members of the U.S. government's national security apparatus defended the use of violence as just and necessary. "If you don't violate someone's human rights some of the time, you probably aren't doing your job. I don't think we want to be promoting a view of zero tolerance on this," said an official who supervised the capture of accused terrorists. Officials said painkillers were used selectively to win cooperation of Abu Zubaida, a high-ranking al Qaeda member shot in the groin during his arrest. U.S. officials said they sometimes transfer uncooperative suspects to foreign countries where security services are known for brutality. In some of countries where "extraordinary renditions" take place, security services use mind-altering drugs such as sodium pentathol to get detainees to answer questions relayed by U.S. government personnel. The secret CIA interrogation center at Bagram air base north of Kabul, the Afghan capital, has been the site of mistreatment including "stress and duress" techniques in which prisoners are deprived of sleep or kept in awkward positions until they feel pain, sources told The Post. Two Afghan detainees died in Bagram in December. Military pathologists said one died of a heart attack and the other of a blood clot in the lung, but both showed signs of blunt force trauma. Their deaths were classified as homicides in March. A U.S. Army criminal investigation is underway. The death of an Afghan man in U.S. custody over the weekend is also under investigation, U.S. military officials in Kabul said Monday. The man died Saturday afternoon at a holding facility near Asadabad in the eastern province of Konar. Human rights organizations and members of Congress invoked the global convention on torture to argue that the techniques cited by U.S. officials did not comport with U.S. law or international commitments. In a June 2 letter to national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) raised a number of legal issues about the treatment of detainees arrested during the post-Sept. 11 crackdown on terrorism. Haynes replied in a letter released yesterday that the U.S. promise of good behavior goes beyond a prohibition on torture to encompass "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." Avoiding comment on specific cases and practices as "inappropriate," Haynes said the definition refers to behavior considered unconstitutional in the United States. "It's a very, very welcome statement," Human Rights Watch executive Tom Malinowski said of Haynes's letter. "What that means is that whether you call it 'stress and duress' or 'torture lite,' the administration is saying that it's wrong and prohibited, that the United States isn't doing it and that no one else should do it." Malinowski said officials from some countries whose treatment of prisoners is considered objectionable have countered that the U.S. government itself uses similar techniques. Bush, in honoring U.N. Torture Victims Recognition Day yesterday, said, "The United States is committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture and in undertaking to prevent other cruel and unusual punishment." © 2003 The Washington Post Company
Source: The Washington Post
URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn? pagename=article&contentId=A37460-2003Jun26¬Found=true
Published: Jun 27, 2003
Author: By Peter Slevin
Post Date: 2004-05-02 02:56:07 by Uncle Bill
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"The United States is committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture and in undertaking to prevent other cruel and unusual punishment."
George W. Bush - Source: Article Below.
By Peter Slevin
June 27, 2003
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#1. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
I have to go into work each day; that's torture. I have to drive in rush hour traffic and slowly through school zones; that's torture. I have to have a yearly review, state objectives and meet them; that's torture. I have ti labor over filling out income taxes each Apr 15; that's torture. Is all that being eliminated?
You are allowed to post here, and for the rest of us that is torture, asshole.
I have to drive in rush hour traffic and slowly through school zones; that's torture. I have to have a yearly review, state objectives and meet them; that's torture. I have ti labor over filling out income taxes each Apr 15; that's torture. That's some tortured logic you're using as well.
And with an attitude like that you are who again? I would have thought with a nom like 'Soda Pop' you would be a bit more 'bubbly', but came across as lead bricks ...
I should have added: I have to get up at 1 AM and 4 AM to feed the baby; THAT is torture. I have to listen to and answer the wife's nagging; THAT is torture. I could go on, but you get the idea and Bushco is giving me NO relief there either.
No you wouldn't have. You obviously never have.
Thanks for bringing this to us, Uncle Bill.... As you are no doubt aware, there will be some assholes, either here, or who reside at tos1 or tos2 that will try to defend the current bunch of liars in the oral office, and the halls of congresscowards, etc. We will learn that torture is something 'dreamed' up in the Pleiades or Orion. Or perhaps, it was initiated by hateful termites who hide everywhere and refuse to give up their evil intents. Or that the liberals started it.....everything by admit to the truth of the matter: that the United States has sunk about as low as it can go thru lies and deceits by the 'right side of the aisle'! Rest assured, there will be every excuse under the sun rather than facing up to the fact, we are no better than the Japs were, nor the Cong, nor the Soviets, nor even those 'barbaric' islamicists who kill the infidels. Making it even worse is we are hypocrits on top of being evil.
Hey, sweetie........whenever those things you consider torture, tear your rectum and bowels apart like having a toilet bowl plunger handle shoved up your rectum, or you die from being asphixated due to them laying on your neck or chest, or they rape your little kiddies or girlfriend/boyfriend (your choice), maybe they will consider eliminating them. But then......if I were you I wouldn't get too hung up waiting for them--even if they promised you they'd take care of it......their track record for honesty and truthfulness sucks. Besides, dearie.......your special Rushie or Seanie would tell ya your bitches are just little college hazing games....no biggies.....remember?
You are hereby awarded the Quote of the Week. :) Congratulations.
do you know why GL deleted the thread over there?
The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.
Can't you close your eyes and give three tries at guessing why? BTW, the first two tries don't count. :)
These detainees have had nothing like Waco imposed on them, as a matter of fact, things have been pretty good for them! The stories fed you by SeeBS could, I guess I could say, could have been instigated by said same network for the purpose having a scandal to beat and demoralize the military with; my experience at this site prompts me to stop and consider if conspiracies exist at all levels of the government and business, why not in the military and the press, with the press 'working' in agit prop and perhaps various soldiers acting as paid spies by the network news. Something to think about while we all consider the damage done to our men and women in the armed forces as we dwell on an isolated incident by a few rotten apples who weren't properly supervised.
'cuse me, but what the hell does Waco (your favorite bbq joint) have to do with the united states torturing and killing people they take into custody, or allowing it to be done by other nations, or having some fucking secret bunch of yahoos on our payroll doing it? Hate to burst your bubble, but I don't pay attention to msm, nor do I learn what is going on by hanging out at the white house website. And who is talking conspiracy? That must be one of your talking points...therefore, I must consider that indeed our military in the field, in conjunction with the bastards at the pentagon, cheney's secret bunch of yahoos, and the moron in the white house are conspiring to do it....and you're trying to spin, according to the talking points.
Something to think about while we all consider the damage done to our men and women in the armed forces as we dwell on an isolated incident by a few rotten apples who weren't properly supervised. You are some braindead asshole.......trying to be disseminator extraordinaire!
I have learned, from the articles appearing on this website, and from the multitude of posters on this website, that a veritable plethora of conspiracies exist in this country at all levels of government and in business. Furthermore, I have learned that these conspiracies exist for the purpose of controlling the bulk of the populace, to keep them in check, and complacent, content to get their meager ration of whatever it is that keeps them happy; beer, cigarettes, and cake, when appropriate. It is a low blow, however, when you begin to implicate the military in widespread abuse, and implicate this country's honest, hard working and fighting men and women, in serious acts of abuse. I will admit that an incident occurred, and has been dealt with. But please don't think for a second that all our men and women treat prisoners as they did at Abu Gghraib.
After that last uncalled for outburst, I guess you get some 'time out' in Bozoland too! Good bye Gracy. (BTW, if the lot of you put me on Bozo it will make my job that much easier; I will only have to respond to the main posted article and then have my posts read by the lurkers and the general public.)
Yeah, the moonbat Lib'brul media conspiracy theory that you launched out with this evening was a doozey. http://www.tos4truth.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=14146&Disp=10#C10
You can't win an argument with anybody can you? Why don't you just bozo the whole board? Then you won't get your ass kicked. LMAO!
Yeah, the moonbat Lib'brul media conspiracy theory that you No no - I read these articles and stories HERE! And then various posters elaborate, educate and inform on top of that! This site has been a GREAT education about a great many conspiracies! Esp, about Bushco, Halliburtan, the neocons, the Illuminati.
That's basically what we do when you bozo us. We follow you around and laugh at you, but you can't see it. The lurkers love seeing the little pompous fool getting hammered.
And then you posted your own unsupported, looney, Moonbat conspiracy theory HERE! I provided a link above if you don't believe me.
You can't win an argument with anybody ... I draw the line as to profanity, desiring a civil exchange involving ideas, theories and thoughts. The use of profanity is generally a last resort from you guys, not me. BTW, you're being put on Bozo for awhile for that last one too. Bye Gracy. (BTW, if the lot of you put me on Bozo it will make my job that much easier; I will only have to respond to the main posted article and then have my posts read by the lurkers and the general public.)
General Karpinski went on to say that the reason talk of banning torture has come to the forefront, even though there should be no need for discussion on the topic is because it IS STILL GOING ON. "There is overwhelming proof that torture is going on, that it has been directed and is likely continuing, even to this day. I don't want to believe it is but the statements from the people just returning from the theater give every indication that in fact it is, they still don't know where to draw the line." The General said. On the topic of why the torture is so extreme and degrading, the General suggested that the interrogators are getting a bizarre pleasure out of it. She gave the example of using naked menstruating women to break Muslim Iraqi men. "Who studied the Arab culture to come up with such a n idea, this is insulting to anybody." She said. "And the fact that they are using female soldiers to conduct this demonstrates what they think the likely;y role of women in the army is." If you wrote a horror movie where the army was doing this it would be too unbelievable, yet this is happening in reality and the media has just accepted it as the norm now. It seems clear and the General agrees that we are seeing the formation of a cold blooded torture core with Iraq as the beta test. Iraq is often referred to as a "laboratory". The test is to see how the prisoners, the soldiers and the public react to this. "They are looking for the kind of people with this mind set, who can live with themselves whilst they are going forth with this global war on terrorism and trying to make a difference."
The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.
Har, har, har, har, har!!! You haven't "exchanged an idea" since you've been here. You've been caught out in several bald faced lies and you've been caught out using cheap debating tactics, e.g., jumping subject, personal attack, etc. Stop sniveling Jizzbreath _Jim. You asked for it and you know it. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Do you have a cite other than at http://infowar. com? I can't treat some of what I find there too terribly seriously.
You'd think blood-lust savages like _Jim would be pissed at BushJr admin for their disdain of military as legitimate defense. What a f***ing screwball, we got a live one here, Lucy.
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
Jim, why don't you just keep me on bozo. I'll just follow you around and dump on you. I can nail you everytime and you won't even know it. The lurkers will love it and you'll look like a blind idiot.
You can't count either asshole.........an is equivalent to one, uno! Take a clue.........there are more confirmed homicides while in our custody than 'an'.
you dumbass, those are the words of General Karpinski from the interview given to Alex Jones last week.
The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.
I can't treat some of what I find there too terribly seriously. What specifically can't you take seriously. Or are you talking out your ass again?
Bozo'd By Gracy. (BTW, if the lot of you put me on Bozo it will make my job that much easier; I will only have to respond to the main posted article and then have my posts read by the lurkers and the general public.)
Needin some attention getting again? LOL........asshole.
I've noticed that. Everything the guy says is spin, and a lot of it is really transparent. But he doesn't seem to care. When you catch him in a misrepresentation, he just tosses out another.
LOL! There he is.. I wondered where ole' _Jim had slunk off too after pumping his "zirks" in the driveway.
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
Bo ... Well, maybe not ...
Do you put you fingers in your ears and shout "lalalalala" while you're scrolling past any Alex Jones content surfacing here?
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
I think I recognize you. Are you the _Jim that took part in big shower party the Log Cabin Republican convention? I'm sure you are. I'm Trace, the guy with the pierced nipples.
In other words, chrissie, fuckface only relies on the wh website for his string of knowledge.
_Jim. You said you wouldn't forget me. Why haven't you called? I'm serious. I know that's you.
Bye Bozo. (BTW, if the lot of you put me on Bozo it will make my job that much easier; I will only have to respond to the main posted article and then have my posts read by the lurkers and the general public.)
I think _Jim is James Guckert.
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
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#2. To: _Jim (#1)
#3. To: _Jim (#1)
I have to go into work each day; that's torture.
#4. To: Soda Pop (#2)
#5. To: duckhunter (#3)
#6. To: _Jim (#4)
I would have thought
#7. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
#8. To: _Jim (#1)
#9. To: Soda Pop (#2)
You are allowed to post here, and for the rest of us that is torture, asshole
#10. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
#11. To: christine (#10)
#12. To: rowdee (#8)
#13. To: _Jim (#12)
#14. To: _Jim (#12)
#15. To: rowdee (#13)
#16. To: rowdee (#14)
#17. To: _Jim (#15)
.... from the multitude of posters on this website, that a veritable plethora of conspiracies exist in this country at all levels of government and in business.
#18. To: _Jim (#16)
After that last uncalled for outburst, I guess you get some 'time out' in Bozoland too!
#19. To: avian virus (#17)
#20. To: _Jim (#16)
(BTW, if the lot of you put me on Bozo it will make my job that much easier; I will only have to respond to the main posted article and then have my posts read by the lurkers and the general public.)
#21. To: _Jim (#19)
I read these articles and stories HERE!
#22. To: avian virus (#18)
#23. To: _Jim (#12)
Something to think about while we all consider the damage done to our men and women in the armed forces as we dwell on an isolated incident by a few rotten apples who weren't properly supervised.
#24. To: _Jim (#22)
I draw the line as to profanity, desiring a civil exchange involving ideas, theories and thoughts.
#25. To: christine (#23)
#26. To: christine (#23)
#27. To: _Jim (#22)
BTW, you're being put on Bozo for awhile for that last one too.
#28. To: _Jim (#15)
#29. To: _Jim (#25)
#30. To: _Jim (#25)
Do you have a cite other than at http://infowar. com?
#31. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#32. To: _Jim (#16)
#33. To: christine (#29)
you dumbass, those are the words of General Karpinski from the interview given to Alex Jones last week.
#34. To: Soda Pop (#2)
You are allowed to post here, and for the rest of us that is torture, asshole.
#35. To: christine (#29)
#36. To: _Jim (#25)
I can't treat some of what I find there too terribly seriously.
#37. To: _Jim (#35)
#38. To: christine (#23)
#39. To: _Jim (#35)
#40. To: Homophobic Homo from LP (#37)
#41. To: Homophobic Homo from LP (#37)
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