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Title: THE TORTURE THREAD THAT GOLDI-LOX HAD TO DELETE
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Washington Post
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=47942
Published: Jun 27, 2003
Author: Peter Slevin
Post Date: 2005-10-29 02:05:12 by Uncle Bill
Keywords: GOLDI-LOX, TORTURE, THREAD
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DELETED: Sorry: This Article does not exist! It either does not yet exist, or has been deleted! Born-Again: U.S. PLEDGES TO AVOID TORTURE Title: U.S. PLEDGES TO AVOID TORTURE June 27, 2003 U.S. Pledges to Avoid Torture Pledge on Terror Suspects Comes Amid Probes of Two Deaths The Washington Post The Bush administration pledged yesterday for the first time that the United States will not torture terrorism suspects or treat them cruelly in an attempt to extract information, a move that comes as the deaths of two Afghan prisoners in U.S. custody are being investigated as homicides. "All interrogations, wherever they may occur," must be conducted without the use of cruel and inhuman tactics, the Pentagon's senior lawyer wrote after members of Congress and human rights groups pressed the White House to renounce abusive tactics reported by U.S. government officials. On a day when President Bush asserted that his administration intends to lead by example in a global fight against torture, Defense Department general counsel William J. Haynes II said that anyone found to have broken the law in the Afghanistan deaths will be prosecuted. Human rights organizations welcomed the announcement, which went further than the Bush administration had gone before. An earlier letter from Haynes, for example, had mentioned the prohibition against torture without citing the broader category of mistreatment that is against the law in the United States. While neither Bush nor Haynes cited specific tactics, human rights activists said the administration appeared to bar such techniques as depriving prisoners of sleep, withholding medicine and forcing them to stand at length in painful positions. U.S. authorities have used each technique against captives held abroad in the war on terrorism, according to current and former national security officials interviewed last year by The Washington Post. "The president and Defense Department have today unequivocally rejected the use of any techniques to interrogate suspects that would constitute 'cruel' treatment prohibited by the U.S. Constitution," a group of human rights organizations, including Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Freedom House and the Center of Victims of Torture, said in a joint statement. They called on the administration to allow independent monitors to "assure the world that this pledge is being fully redeemed in practice." U.S. treatment of terror suspects and potential witnesses has been particularly obscure. The Bush administration typically prevents prisoners from contacting attorneys or asserting rights to fair treatment. Indeed, U.S. authorities have refused to identify the large majority of detainees or release any information about them, arguing that such data could help terrorists. In the first 15 months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, nearly 3,000 suspected al Qaeda members and supporters were detained worldwide, according to U.S. officials. National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack said yesterday that prisoners abroad are being treated humanely, but reports have surfaced in the news media about cruel treatment of detainees in American-run detention centers, where the rules of due process are not always applied. In interviews with The Post last year, members of the U.S. government's national security apparatus defended the use of violence as just and necessary. "If you don't violate someone's human rights some of the time, you probably aren't doing your job. I don't think we want to be promoting a view of zero tolerance on this," said an official who supervised the capture of accused terrorists. Officials said painkillers were used selectively to win cooperation of Abu Zubaida, a high-ranking al Qaeda member shot in the groin during his arrest. U.S. officials said they sometimes transfer uncooperative suspects to foreign countries where security services are known for brutality. In some of countries where "extraordinary renditions" take place, security services use mind-altering drugs such as sodium pentathol to get detainees to answer questions relayed by U.S. government personnel. The secret CIA interrogation center at Bagram air base north of Kabul, the Afghan capital, has been the site of mistreatment including "stress and duress" techniques in which prisoners are deprived of sleep or kept in awkward positions until they feel pain, sources told The Post. Two Afghan detainees died in Bagram in December. Military pathologists said one died of a heart attack and the other of a blood clot in the lung, but both showed signs of blunt force trauma. Their deaths were classified as homicides in March. A U.S. Army criminal investigation is underway. The death of an Afghan man in U.S. custody over the weekend is also under investigation, U.S. military officials in Kabul said Monday. The man died Saturday afternoon at a holding facility near Asadabad in the eastern province of Konar. Human rights organizations and members of Congress invoked the global convention on torture to argue that the techniques cited by U.S. officials did not comport with U.S. law or international commitments. In a June 2 letter to national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) raised a number of legal issues about the treatment of detainees arrested during the post-Sept. 11 crackdown on terrorism. Haynes replied in a letter released yesterday that the U.S. promise of good behavior goes beyond a prohibition on torture to encompass "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." Avoiding comment on specific cases and practices as "inappropriate," Haynes said the definition refers to behavior considered unconstitutional in the United States. "It's a very, very welcome statement," Human Rights Watch executive Tom Malinowski said of Haynes's letter. "What that means is that whether you call it 'stress and duress' or 'torture lite,' the administration is saying that it's wrong and prohibited, that the United States isn't doing it and that no one else should do it." Malinowski said officials from some countries whose treatment of prisoners is considered objectionable have countered that the U.S. government itself uses similar techniques. Bush, in honoring U.N. Torture Victims Recognition Day yesterday, said, "The United States is committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture and in undertaking to prevent other cruel and unusual punishment." © 2003 The Washington Post Company
Source: The Washington Post
URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn? pagename=article&contentId=A37460-2003Jun26¬Found=true
Published: Jun 27, 2003
Author: By Peter Slevin
Post Date: 2004-05-02 02:56:07 by Uncle Bill
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"The United States is committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture and in undertaking to prevent other cruel and unusual punishment."
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By Peter Slevin
June 27, 2003
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#42. To: _Jim (#40)
pussy! cocksucker! dalmation diddler!
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
_Jim writes to me quite a bit and I recognize his style - Goodbye Gracey. I know it's him. We were at the Cabin Republican convetion together this year, but he hasn't made time for me since.
dalmation diddler? LOL!
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
I know you're just teasing me you big silly.
Numbnutz rants about conspiracies.......and yet when his beloved gopers rave about the liberals being out to get them, it isn't conspiring. Receiving talking points isn't a conspiracy. Only when 'they' allege something to be a conspiracy is it to be considered as truth. Hillary bitched about the rightwing conspiracy............they bitch about the left, and the middle, and the right all being conspiratorial. Only Ds and Rs are allowed to make these allegations, doncha see....
He prefers Jism_Jim, if you please.
I thought it was pronounced "Jithsm Jithm"
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
Din't you know, _Jim is also the creator of the Rottweiler Reach-Around.
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
You got that right! I forgot we've got to do everything phonetically for him.
lol
The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.
Yeah, yeah.. "Resume entries of the hideously self important and faggy" did a feature on him for that. Way to go _jim, your fat, stupid mother must be proud of your retarded, arrogant, mentally defective ass.
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
Him being, JJ, Not Dak, of course.
Thanks, but I like phoneticks, and them square hamburgers at Wendys.
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
Jimmy, don't look now, but your old lady is at home just praying that a man will come home. You'll show up and disappoint her again. Even you should be able to see that it sucks to be you.
Phonetics, hell.. I just thought it would be polite to let him think everyone speaks with a dick lisp.
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
I like them there triangulated cheese thingies they do at Subway, myself.
_Jim is on my shit list
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
Yeah, but did you get the nice, signed letter by "Our Man Mitch" & Lt. Gov. Becky in your last natural gas bill explaining how sorry they were that we're going to freeze to death this winter? I thought that was really nice of them. They're with the Government & lookin' out for us, don'cha know?
At least we'll freeze to death knowing that somebody out there cares.
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
Bozo SMOZO!!! Ypu should consider yourself lucky you are not BANNED. I certainly know that on YOUR site any of us would be put behind the ZOT and the "viking kitties" in a New York minute if we tried to register a SECOND ACCOUNT to continue posting there.
Okay, Boz, say buh bye! (BTW, if the lot of you put me on Bozo it will make my job that much easier; I will only have to respond to the main posted article and then have my posts read by the lurkers and the general public.)
If you are going to bozo everyone why even post here, you disgusting corpse violator?
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
No, no.. Let him go. I think he Bozoed me too, and that's fine. He's just confirming his place as Frank Burns of the internet. Watch him end up hiding from 98% of the folks here, then making ridiculous claims like: "Well, since no one disagrees with me" LOL!.
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
He'll run back yo MOMA with tales of persecution, we prolly pogromed the stupid fucker in his mind.
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
I guess the slackey-jawed faggot couldn't handle me, I checked in setup, and now have one person bozoing me. It brought a little tear to my eye.
you're in good company, darlin' :P
The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.
A little bitty tear let me down When you said you were leaving to morrow A little bitty tear let me down I said I'd laugh when you left me A little bitty tear let me down Every thing went like I planned it A little bitty tear let me down "I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
Actually maybe he has the solution. Maybe JimRob can BAN HIMSELF here by Bozoing everybody.
I have three active, one banned, and one nuked account at FR. Lots of us are smarter than RimJob.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
He's not Jim Robinson.
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
But, but, but he didn't give me warning, like he did everybody else. I'm feelin' really left out. I'm serious about the tears in my eyes, I'm laughing so hard. I might have to call an ambulance so I can get some oxygen.
Tull is right. Think about it. Anyone who can hoodwink thousands of people into sending in hundreds of thousands of dollars to run a stinking website is smart. Maybe crooked and self serving, but smart. _Jim isn't smart.
you're in good company, darlin' :P It would seem, christine, that some of your posters are unable to post a thought unless it contains an expletive or profanity. In my formative years, my Mom taught me that this was "the sign of a weak mind and a limited vocabulary"; I would tend to agree with her. I think Mom was right.
Personally, I would think that the cheap dishonesty you've shown tonight would be a bigger worry than an occasional cuss word. Let's keep things in perspective. How many times have you been outed as a bald faced liar this evening alone? Tull caught you once big time. I recall catching you as well, although that could have been last night. I lose track of your fibs.
Besides, Jim Robinson can make an arguement. Granted, I don't see eye eye with him on this "R" business, but he can defend it worlds better than our resident attention whore, _Jim _Jim only wishes he was in the same league with Jim Robinson. In fact, I can't think of too many people who couldn't run rings around this guy. Badeye & Trace included.
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
Apparently I'm getting under somebody's skin. Dammit, I wished I'd bought stock in Kleenex. I'm goin' through a bunch tonight.
I have to agree with that one.
I have to drive in rush hour traffic and slowly through school zones; that's torture. I have to have a yearly review, state objectives and meet them; that's torture. I have ti labor over filling out income taxes each Apr 15; that's torture. Is all that being eliminated? No _Jim, it seems all that is NOT being elimminated. You see, you are mistaken. What you have listed is not torture, it is slavery. But, we all sign up for our own little bit of hell on earth. Enjoy it while you can. ;^)
"It is common to assume that human progress affects everyone – that even the dullest man, in these bright days, knows more than any man of, say, the Eighteenth Century, and is far more civilized. This assumption is quite erroneous...The great masses of men, even in this inspired republic, are precisely where the mob was at the dawn of history. They are ignorant, they are dishonest, they are cowardly, they are ignoble. They know little if anything that is worth knowing, and there is not the slightest sign of a natural desire among them to increase their knowledge." H.L. Mencken
You can take your job and shove it. From our homepage: Consistent with these two fundamental unalienable rights, this forum constitutes the private property of its owners and, as such, allows for the exercise of our right to freedom of association and freedom of non-association, based on our preferences. Therefore, regarding banning policies of this forum, as they relate to the protection of private property, the owners reserve the right to suspend or terminate the posting privileges of guests on this forum at our discretion. That said, we will endeavor to use this discretion judiciously while being mindful of not allowing guests to post on this forum who, we believe, are detrimental to the goals and values consistent with that of individual liberty.
The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.
Hey _Jim, a little bird told me that you got banned. I just wanted to take this opportunity to call you an arrogant, self important dumbfuck one more time before you're forgotten entirely. Oh, and I see your mentioned your mother above. Tell her thanks for servicing the dog. He's been stressed.
Shhhh! Be vewy, vewy quiet. _Jim is pumping his "zirks" in the driveway.
#43. To: Dakmar (#41)
#44. To: Dakmar (#42)
#45. To: _Jim (#40)
#46. To: avian virus (#18)
#47. To: Dakmar (#41)
I think _Jim is James Guckert.
#48. To: Esso (#47)
#49. To: Jhoffa_, _Jim (#44)
#50. To: Jhoffa_ (#48)
#51. To: Homophobic Homo from LP (#45)
I know you're just teasing me you big silly.
#52. To: Dakmar (#49)
#53. To: Jhoffa, Dakmar (#50)
I forgot we've got to do everything phonetically for him.
#54. To: Esso (#53)
#55. To: _Jim (#40)
BTW, if the lot of you put me on Bozo it will make my job that much easier; I will only have to respond to the main posted article and then have my posts read by the lurkers and the general public.)
#56. To: Esso (#53)
I forgot we've got to do everything phonetically for him.
#57. To: Dakmar (#54)
#58. To: Jhoffa_, Esso, _Jim (#56)
#59. To: Dakmar (#58)
#60. To: Esso (#59)
#61. To: _Jim (#31)
Elapidae, Micrurus fulvius 
#62. To: Coral Snake (#61)
#63. To: _Jim (#62)
#64. To: Dakmar (#63)
#65. To: Jhoffa_ (#64)
#66. To: Dakmar, christine (#63)
#67. To: Esso (#66)
#68. To: Esso (#66)
It brought a little tear to my eye.
Spoiled my act as a clown
I had it made up not to make a frown
Oh, but a little bitty tear let me down
That today was our last day
I said there'd be no sorrow
That I'd laugh when you walked away
Spoiled my act as a clown
I had it made up not to make a frown
Oh, but a little bitty tear let me down
Pull a funny as you went out he door
That I'd have another one waitin'
To wave goodbye as you go
But
Spoiled my act as a clown
I had it made up not to make a frown
Oh, but a little bitty tear let me down
And I really put on quite a show
In my heart I felt I could stand it
'Til you walked with your grip
Through the door
Spoiled my act as a clown
I had it made up not to make a frown
Oh, but a little bitty tear let me down
A little bitty tear let me down
A little bitty tear let me down
#69. To: Jhoffa_ (#64)
Elapidae, Micrurus fulvius
#70. To: Coral Snake (#61)
I certainly know that on YOUR site any of us would be put behind the ZOT and the "viking kitties" in a New York minute if we tried to register a SECOND ACCOUNT to continue posting there.
#71. To: Coral Snake (#69)
#72. To: christine (#67)
you're in good company, darlin' :P
#73. To: Coral Snake (#69)
Actually maybe he has the solution. Maybe JimRob can BAN HIMSELF here by Bozoing everybody.
#74. To: christine (#67)
#75. To: _Jim (#74)
In my formative years, my Mom taught me that this was "the sign of a weak mind and a limited vocabulary";
#76. To: avian virus, coral Snake (#73)
#77. To: christine (#74)
#78. To: _Jim (#5)
I have to listen to and answer the wife's nagging; THAT is torture.
#79. To: _Jim (#1)
I have to go into work each day; that's torture.
#80. To: _Jim (#62)
(BTW, if the lot of you put me on Bozo it will make my job that much easier; I will only have to respond to the main posted article and then have my posts read by the lurkers and the general public.)
#81. To: _Jim (#74)
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