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Title: 47 year old television signals bouncing back to Earth
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://www.rimmell.com/bbc/news.htm
Published: Apr 1, 2009
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2011-12-17 00:27:12 by X-15
Keywords: Dr. Who, space
Views: 588
Comments: 40

While searching deep space for extra-terrestrial signals, scientists at the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico have stumbled across signals broadcast from Earth nearly half a century ago.

Radio astronomer Dr. Venn described how he made the historic discovery after analysing a number of signals originating from the same point in space. "I realised the signal was in the VHF Band and slap bang in the middle of 41-68 MHz. It was obviously old terrestrial television broadcasts, but they seemed to be originating from deep space." After boosting and digital enhancement the resulting video signals are remarkably clear.

Responding to questions, Dr Venn was at pains to explain that little green men are not showing repeats of old Earth shows. "They are signals that left the Earth about 50 years ago and have bounced off an object or more likely a field of objects some 25 light years away". Radio signals travel at approximately 300,000 kilometers per second. The distance the vintage signals have traveled in the intervening years is vast and whatever they are bouncing off is too far away to see with even the most advanced optical telescopes. "...we asked NASA if they could point Hubble at the centre of what we've named the 'Bounce Anomaly'. NASA were very keen to help once they had seen our data." However the $3 billion space telescope was unable to produce any clues as to what the signals are bouncing off. One theory is a massive cloud of asteroids is acting like a mirror in space reflecting radio signals from our past, back to us.

A BBC team have been working closely with Dr Venn's team to help recover the signals. BBC Television historian Peter Wells, explained "We now know these are original broadcasts. So far we have recovered about 7 weeks of old television signals from space. Every day in our lab is like traveling back in time. And speaking of which we have just started the digital recovery of signals that contain lost Doctor Who episodes.

The BBC will be archiving all the recordings recovered from space and there are plans to broadcast some of the highlights later in the year.

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#1. To: X-15 (#0)

I find it highly unlikely that an earth generated radio signal would have enough power to bounce off an object, no matter HOW large, 25 light years away.

I'd like to know what the power level was of the received signal. I bet it's higher than one would think.

Now either it's a NWO plot to trick people into thinking their are aliens out there beaming back our old TV shows, or it really IS aliens bouncing our old TV signals back as a way to say "hello world".

I'd side with the latter.

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-12-17   0:36:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: FormerLurker (#1)

I find it highly unlikely that an earth generated radio signal would have enough power to bounce off an object, no matter HOW large, 25 light years away.

Why?

In space radio signals would not lose any power cause it is a virtual vacuum. There may be aliens out there, but I highly doubt they are broadcasting our TV signals back at us.

RickyJ  posted on  2011-12-17   0:47:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: RickyJ (#2)

In space radio signals would not lose any power cause it is a virtual vacuum.

They do lose power since the signal is not focused into a beam. It insteads expands just like normal light, so the signal is 1/4th the strength at twice the distance. Signals 27 lightyears away are about non existent.

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-12-17   1:54:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#11) (Edited)

It insteads expands just like normal light, so the signal is 1/4th the strength at twice the distance.

I don't think you are accounting for the vacuum of space. I know they lose power in our atmosphere, but I doubt they would lose as much power in space.

Edit---

I did some research on this and found out that in a vacuum your formula for loss of signal strength does not apply.

Here is the Free Space Path Loss formula, where Free Space is a vacuum.

FSPL = 32.44 + 20log(d) + 20log(f)

Where FSPL is the Free Space Path Loss (in dB), d is the distance from
transmitter antenna (in km), and f is the frequency of RF signal (in MHz).

Thus the spreading loss is only 6dB every time you double the distance.

RickyJ  posted on  2011-12-17   2:27:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: RickyJ, Original_Intent (#15)

Thus the spreading loss is only 6dB every time you double the distance.

And oh yeah, a 3db loss is a 50% power loss, so 6db is a 75% loss. In other words, for every 6db loss the power is reduced to 1/4 of its prior level.

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-12-19   12:53:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: FormerLurker (#32)

Thanks for the info. Looks like the spread loss makes radio contact over vast distances like light years almost impossible to achieve, that truly sucks.

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#35. To: RickyJ (#34)

You're welcome Ricky. I never say impossible though, as there might be other technologies that might allow such communications, such as quantum events or some other exotic technology or fundamental law yet to be discovered which might allow such communications in the future.

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