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Title: Illegal immigrants have no right to arms - court
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuter ... have_no_right_to_arms_-_court/
Published: Dec 16, 2011
Author: Terry Baynes
Post Date: 2011-12-19 17:41:01 by X-15
Ping List: *The Border*
Keywords: None
Views: 210
Comments: 5

Illegal immigrants do not have a right to bear arms under the U.S. Constitution, a federal appeals court ruled on Friday.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit, based in Missouri, rejected an appeal brought by Joaquin Bravo Flores, who was charged with possessing a firearm. Agreeing with the 5th Circuit, the court concluded that the protections of the Second Amendment do not extend to undocumented immigrants.

Executing a search warrant in 2010, police uncovered a semi-automatic handgun in Bravo Flores' Minneapolis apartment. A grand jury indicted him for being an alien in possession of a firearm in violation of federal law. He was sentenced to three years in prison.

Bravo Flores tried to dismiss the indictment, arguing that the criminal law barring illegal immigrants from possessing guns is unconstitutional. The U.S. Supreme Court in 2008 recognized an individual right to possess firearms under the Second Amendment. Bravo Flores argued that the Second Amendment's guarantee of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" also applied to him and other illegal immigrants.

His lawyer argued in a court filing that Bravo Flores is a member of "the people," having come to the country as a teenager and now living with his American citizen partner and their two citizen children.

The Supreme Court has previously ruled that undocumented immigrants have constitutional rights in criminal cases, including a Sixth Amendment right to trial and Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.

The 8th Circuit declined to extend the right to bear arms to illegal immigrants. The appeals court has previously upheld other criminal laws that prohibit convicted felons and narcotics addicts from possessing firearms.

Federal defender Andrea George, who represents Bravo Flores, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The U.S. Attorney was not immediately available for comment.

In June, the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit rejected a constitutional challenge brought by a Mexican citizen arrested in Texas for carrying a firearm, which he said he used to kill coyotes. The appeals court quoted language from the Supreme Court's 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller, finding that the phrase "the people" referred to "law-abiding citizens" and "members of the political community."

One judge dissented, finding that the 5th Circuit decision in that case meant that "millions of similarly situated residents of the United States are non-persons who have no rights to be free from unjustified searches of their homes and bodies and other abuses, nor to peaceably assemble or petition the government."

The 8th Circuit case is U.S. v. Joaquin Bravo Flores, No. 11-1550.

For the government: Michael Dees, formerly with the U.S. Attorney's Office.

For Bravo Flores: Andrea George of the Federal Public Defender's Office.


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Get your sorry ass back to mexico and change your turd-world nation from within, Joaquin Bravo Flores.

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#1. To: X-15 (#0) (Edited)

Sigh....where to begin? .....utterly beyond comprehension that any court would deign to hear such a case. Where is the "standing"? Well, there is none...but that didn't seem to matter; what mattered, evidently, was some cruddy lawyer's effort to fatten his wallet, and a cruddy court so deficient in ethics that it had the gall to entertain such a frivolous suit.

"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." Lod

Bub  posted on  2011-12-19   18:10:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: X-15 (#0)

Finally, a circuit court that makes sense of the original intent of the 2nd Amendment. Had this been in the Ninth Circus, I'm willing to bet they would have ruled in favor of this illegal to have a firearm.

purplerose  posted on  2011-12-19   19:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15 (#0)

A grand jury indicted him for being an alien in possession of a firearm in violation of federal law. He was sentenced to three years in prison.

In a logical and just society they would have indicted him for being an alien, and deported him.

It is vital to understand that there is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth. What then is “faith” but an effort to confound truth and wisdom?

angK  posted on  2011-12-19   20:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#0)

Good decision by the 5th Circuit. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-12-21   17:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: angK (#3)

In a logical and just society they would have indicted him for being an alien, and deported him.

Yeah, they are really screwed up.

Back in Chicago, I was in a restaurant and they had Mexican help in the kitchen. Two of them were going into the kitchen and one turned to me and said, pointing to the other, "Hey man, he's a wetback."

So, it sounds good that the federal court has ruled in favor of U.S. citizens rights. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-12-22   15:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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