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Title: Military Shares Public's Declining Support For Bush, War
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/nc ... s/story/2826967p-9276680c.html
Published: Oct 29, 2005
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2005-10-29 19:57:40 by Brian S
Keywords: Declining, Military, Publics
Views: 161
Comments: 73

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- More than half of North Carolina military members surveyed in the latest Elon University poll disapprove of President Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and his overall job performance.

Nearly 53 percent of military members said they strongly disapproved or disapproved of Bush's handling of his job. And just more than 56 percent of that same group strongly disapproved or disapproved of how he has dealt with the Iraq war.

Overall, 53 percent of those surveyed for the poll released Friday did not approve of Bush's job performance, while 57 percent did not approve of his handling of the Iraq war.

"We see that those most involved in the Iraq situation, the military, are not so different from the general public after all and share the same concerns about Iraq," said Hunter Bacot, the poll's director. "Conventional wisdom might suggest that the military would be more supportive of Bush in Iraq, but that simply isn't the case if you look at the numbers."

North Carolina has one of the nation's largest military presences, with major Army, Marine and Air Force installations based in eastern North Carolina. North Carolina-based active-duty and reserve units have seen extensive action since the United States attacked Afghanistan following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Of the 539 adults surveyed for the Elon poll, 80 - or 14.8 percent of the sample - were active-duty, reserve, retired or veteran members of the military. The telephone poll was conducted between Monday and Thursday and has a margin of error for the entire sample of plus or minus 4.3 percentage points.

The margin of error, which reflects the confidence that the results speak for an entire group, is higher for smaller groups, such as the 80 military members.

Just over half of those people surveyed said the United States should no longer be in Iraq, while nearly 43 percent agreed that the country should remain there. The rest said they did not know or refused to answer.

Roughly half of those polled - 52 percent - said they do not know if the war in Iraq was worth fighting. The poll showed about 15 percent believe the war was worthwhile and 29.1 percent do not think so.

Military members were somewhat more supportive of the United States' presence in Iraq than the general population, with exactly half saying the nation should be there and 41.3 percent saying it should not.

More than half of military members - 51 percent - said they did not know if the war was worth fighting, while 19 percent said the war was worth it and 29 percent said it was not

The low approval numbers for Bush seen in the poll continue a pattern of declining support for the second-term president seen in previous Elon polls and nationally.

The percentage of those surveyed who say they strongly approve or approve of Bush's job performance was down to 41 percent in the current poll from a recent peak of 55 percent in February 2004.

Approval of Bush's handling of the Iraq war has dropped from 52 percent in September 2003 to nearly 39 percent now.

Approval of the president's handling of the economy ticked up slightly in the current poll, to 37 percent, from the 36 percent approval registered in April. The peak was 42 percent in September 2004.

Elon's Institute for Politics and Public Affairs has been conducting its poll since 2000.

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#3. To: Brian S (#0)

I saw this over on another site. I find it amazing.

It's like the Iraqi poll where 64% of them wanted the US out immediately.

Is there any relevant group within the US where more than 50% of the people support the war? Maybe rapture monkeys, but I seriously can't think of any other group. Can anyone else?

avian virus  posted on  2005-10-29   20:09:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: avian virus (#3)

I can't. Isn't it curious then that not only is there no exit plan for Iraq, but that it's also onward to Iran and Syria! Where are they going to get the "dumb, stupid animals" for it?

christine  posted on  2005-10-29   20:17:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#7)

Isn't it curious then that not only is there no exit plan for Iraq ...

Like the one we had for Germany and other European countries after WWII?

Okay ...

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   20:23:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: _Jim (#9)

Like the one we had for Germany and other European countries after WWII?

Congress declared war on Germany, the War on Iraq is intervention at best. This may surprise you, you stupid little jackboot, but George Washington didn't have an "exit strategy" either.

ps: you are an ignorant, vile asshole, I hope you die of AIDS.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-10-29   20:53:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Dakmar (#21)

Congress declared war on Germany, the War on Iraq is intervention at best.

Congress also passed resolution(s) regarding Iraq, and Germany had not directly attacked us either, yet we 'declared war'.

I guess I'm going to put you on Bozo for awhile too, kind of a 'time out', FRiend.

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   20:55:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Dakmar, Flintlock, rowdee, christine, all (#22)

I guess I'm going to put you on Bozo for awhile too, kind of a 'time out', FRiend.

Jeeze, Dak ol' buddy, I guess we're gonna have to start a 'Free Dakmar' fund to get you out of trouble along with Flintlock and rowdee.

Can't leave y'all in l'il jimmie's l'il gitmo all weekend. LOL!

Esso  posted on  2005-10-29   21:21:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Esso (#31)

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rowdee  posted on  2005-10-29   21:39:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: rowdee (#35)

hahahahahahahaha!

christine  posted on  2005-10-29   21:44:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: christine (#38)

Here is the opening section of the "Key Findings" executive summary section, and excdefrpoted below are the first two bulleted items:

Key Findings

Saddam Husayn so dominated the Iraqi Regime that its strategic intent was his alone. He wanted to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when sanctions were lifted.

- Saddam totally dominated the Regime's strategic decision making. He initiated most of the strategic thinking upon which decisions were made, whether in matters of war and peace (such as invading Kuwait), maintaining WMD as a national strategic goal, or on how Iraq was to position itself in the international community. Loyal dissent was discouraged and constructive variations to the implementation of his wishes on strategic issues were rare. Saddam was the Regime in a strategic sense and his intent became Iraq's strategic policy.

- Saddam's primary goal from 1991 to 2003 was to have UN sanctions lifted, while maintaining the security of the Regime. He sought to balance the need to cooperate with UN inspections--to gain support for lifting sanctions?with his intention to preserve Iraq's intellectual capital for WMD with a minimum of foreign intrusiveness and loss of face. Indeed, this remained the goal to the end of the Regime, as the starting of any WMD program, conspicuous or otherwise, risked undoing the progress achieved in eroding sanctions and jeopardizing a political end to the embargo and international monitoring.

So, we can take it from that that the threat was indeed a gathering threat, with Saddam just biding his time until sanctions could be lifted and he would be back in business with full-scale WMD programs ...

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   22:00:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: _Jim (#43)

U.S. 'Almost All Wrong' on Weapons Report on Iraq Contradicts Bush Administration Claims

By Dana Priest and Walter Pincus Washington Post Staff Writers Thursday, October 7, 2004; Page A01

The 1991 Persian Gulf War and subsequent U.N. inspections destroyed Iraq's illicit weapons capability and, for the most part, Saddam Hussein did not try to rebuild it, according to an extensive report by the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq that contradicts nearly every prewar assertion made by top administration officials about Iraq.

Charles A. Duelfer, whom the Bush administration chose to complete the U.S. investigation of Iraq's weapons programs, said Hussein's ability to produce nuclear weapons had "progressively decayed" since 1991. Inspectors, he said, found no evidence of "concerted efforts to restart the program."

The findings were similar on biological and chemical weapons. While Hussein had long dreamed of developing an arsenal of biological agents, his stockpiles had been destroyed and research stopped years before the United States led the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Duelfer said Hussein hoped someday to resume a chemical weapons effort after U.N. sanctions ended, but had no stocks and had not researched making the weapons for a dozen years.

Duelfer's report, delivered yesterday to two congressional committees, represents the government's most definitive accounting of Hussein's weapons programs, the assumed strength of which the Bush administration presented as a central reason for the war. While previous reports have drawn similar conclusions, Duelfer's assessment went beyond them in depth, detail and level of certainty.

"We were almost all wrong" on Iraq, Duelfer told a Senate panel yesterday.

President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials asserted before the U.S. invasion that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program, had chemical and biological weapons and maintained links to al Qaeda affiliates to whom it might give such weapons to use against the United States.

But after extensive interviews with Hussein and his key lieutenants, Duelfer concluded that Hussein was not motivated by a desire to strike the United States with banned weapons,but wanted them to enhance his image in the Middle East and to deter Iran, against which Iraq had fought a devastating eight-year war. Hussein believed that "WMD helped save the regime multiple times," the report said.

christine  posted on  2005-10-29   22:09:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: christine (#49)

U.S. 'Almost All Wrong' on Weapons Report on Iraq Contradicts Bush Administration Claims

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Hussein's ability to produce nuclear weapons had "progressively decayed" since 1991. Inspectors, he said, found no evidence of "concerted efforts to restart the program."

AND I just posted material from that particular report that contradicts the evaluation and *careful* excerpting by the reporters who wrote the story that you cited:

Saddam's primary goal from 1991 to 2003 was to have UN sanctions lifted ...

Indeed, this remained the goal to the end of the Regime, as the starting of any WMD program, conspicuous or otherwise, risked undoing the progress achieved in eroding sanctions and jeopardizing a political end to the embargo and international monitoring.

Sure, since 1991 his capability to actually crank out WMD had been trimmed, but, he was maintaing the intellectual wherewithall (the people, scientists, the knowledge) to gear up when the time became right, when sanctions were lifted and inspections stopped. See the excerpt again above for that part.

Here is URL of the Summary (pdf format): http: //www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Comp_Report_Key_Findings.pdf

_Jim  posted on  2005-10-29   22:21:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: _Jim (#59)

AND I just posted material from that particular report that contradicts the evaluation and *careful* excerpting by the reporters who wrote the story that you cited:

No _Jim, read the thread above, you posted a carefully cherry picked portion of the report without an accompanying link.

You then implied that you carefully selected portion proved your point when it did not.

After your ass got whacked really bad, you come back and post a link in an attempt to save face - after everyone has seen the part of the report that makes a liar out of you.

Really, really lame.

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