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Title: Military Shares Public's Declining Support For Bush, War
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Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/nc ... s/story/2826967p-9276680c.html
Published: Oct 29, 2005
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2005-10-29 19:57:40 by Brian S
Keywords: Declining, Military, Publics
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Comments: 73
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- More than half of North Carolina military members surveyed in the latest Elon University poll disapprove of President Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and his overall job performance. Nearly 53 percent of military members said they strongly disapproved or disapproved of Bush's handling of his job. And just more than 56 percent of that same group strongly disapproved or disapproved of how he has dealt with the Iraq war. Overall, 53 percent of those surveyed for the poll released Friday did not approve of Bush's job performance, while 57 percent did not approve of his handling of the Iraq war. "We see that those most involved in the Iraq situation, the military, are not so different from the general public after all and share the same concerns about Iraq," said Hunter Bacot, the poll's director. "Conventional wisdom might suggest that the military would be more supportive of Bush in Iraq, but that simply isn't the case if you look at the numbers." North Carolina has one of the nation's largest military presences, with major Army, Marine and Air Force installations based in eastern North Carolina. North Carolina-based active-duty and reserve units have seen extensive action since the United States attacked Afghanistan following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Of the 539 adults surveyed for the Elon poll, 80 - or 14.8 percent of the sample - were active-duty, reserve, retired or veteran members of the military. The telephone poll was conducted between Monday and Thursday and has a margin of error for the entire sample of plus or minus 4.3 percentage points. The margin of error, which reflects the confidence that the results speak for an entire group, is higher for smaller groups, such as the 80 military members. Just over half of those people surveyed said the United States should no longer be in Iraq, while nearly 43 percent agreed that the country should remain there. The rest said they did not know or refused to answer. Roughly half of those polled - 52 percent - said they do not know if the war in Iraq was worth fighting. The poll showed about 15 percent believe the war was worthwhile and 29.1 percent do not think so. Military members were somewhat more supportive of the United States' presence in Iraq than the general population, with exactly half saying the nation should be there and 41.3 percent saying it should not. More than half of military members - 51 percent - said they did not know if the war was worth fighting, while 19 percent said the war was worth it and 29 percent said it was not The low approval numbers for Bush seen in the poll continue a pattern of declining support for the second-term president seen in previous Elon polls and nationally. The percentage of those surveyed who say they strongly approve or approve of Bush's job performance was down to 41 percent in the current poll from a recent peak of 55 percent in February 2004. Approval of Bush's handling of the Iraq war has dropped from 52 percent in September 2003 to nearly 39 percent now. Approval of the president's handling of the economy ticked up slightly in the current poll, to 37 percent, from the 36 percent approval registered in April. The peak was 42 percent in September 2004. Elon's Institute for Politics and Public Affairs has been conducting its poll since 2000.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
Maybe they'll like Syria better.
Whotf would want a smirking chimp to lead them into battle?
I saw this over on another site. I find it amazing. It's like the Iraqi poll where 64% of them wanted the US out immediately. Is there any relevant group within the US where more than 50% of the people support the war? Maybe rapture monkeys, but I seriously can't think of any other group. Can anyone else?
Overall, 53 percent of those surveyed for the poll released Friday did not approve of Bush's job performance, while 57 percent did not approve of his handling of the Iraq war. Interesting stats. With Iran and Syria being talked about as future 'theaters of operation', I'm curious to see from where and whom they recruit.
The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.
I thought that it was 94/% that wanted our asses gone.
I'll look for the poll. I think I have it on my hard drive. It was about a year and a half ago. I recall that a little over 60% of the Iraqis wanted us out immediately and something like 90% wanted us out within a year. Bush quit taking polls over there after that. I'll have to double check the exact figures.
I can't. Isn't it curious then that not only is there no exit plan for Iraq, but that it's also onward to Iran and Syria! Where are they going to get the "dumb, stupid animals" for it?
The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.
Can't find the article on the last poll of the Iraqi people. Must be at work. In this case I'm not really sure of any of the figures.
Isn't it curious then that not only is there no exit plan for Iraq ... Like the one we had for Germany and other European countries after WWII? Okay ...
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- More than half of North Carolina military members surveyed in the latest Elon University poll disapprove of President Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and his ... WHEN the press does such a bangup job on reporting the 'trvth', yet manages, somehow, without fail, without skipping a beat, to capture each and every flaw, flub, mispoken word of the commander in chief - - one wonders what those stats would be if the press were honest in their treatment of all subjects they cover ...
I think it's really hard to get out of Iraq without having the whole thing blow up in Bush's face. He seems to be trying to keep things in a holding patter so that he can dump the mess on the next administration. But I think the public might not stand for this for another three years. The only other alternative may be to attack someone new and hope the American people will rally again. I don't think they would, but that's just my gut reaction.
So is that what it is tonight, a vast, dark and powerful conspiracy by the lib'brul media? Are you saying the press should not have reported this surprising fact?
Three more serfs just lost their lives honoring the previous 2012 who died for the neocons. Three U.S. soldiers killed in attacks Richard W.
Good evening Gracy. It doesn't look like you've quite got a grasp of the subject matter at hand, so we can't legally, lawfully debate. There is also something about 'debating a minor' and 'abusing those incapable of defending themselves' restricts my ops order here too, in effect setting my 'rules of engagement' to those more capable of argument if you will ...
Did you ever read the Pentagon Papers or a synopsis of them? The gist of it was that the the US pressed on with the war long after they knew the situation was lost. They hoped to save face by pushing to responsibility for the failure onto future administrations. This is why Nixon went berserk and did the break in.
It doesn't look like you've quite got a grasp of the subject matter at hand, so we can't legally, lawfully debate. So you're down to childish mud slinging already. Grow up. The adults are talking here.
Jim, do you need attention?
Dear. I had not heard this. RIP, guys. (As long as we are there, this will continue to happen.)
What I need is, is an idler arm replaced; the bolts are cracked loose, but now I can't get the stud from the control arm to move down and out of the old idler arm ...
Grow up. The adults are talking here. To quote Al Borland: "I don't think so Tim."
Congress declared war on Germany, the War on
Iraq is intervention at best. This may surprise you, you stupid little
jackboot, but George Washington didn't have an "exit strategy" either. ps:
you are an ignorant, vile asshole, I hope you die of AIDS.
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
Congress declared war on Germany, the War on Iraq is intervention at best. Congress also passed resolution(s) regarding Iraq, and Germany had not directly attacked us either, yet we 'declared war'. I guess I'm going to put you on Bozo for awhile too, kind of a 'time out', FRiend.
To quote Al Borland: "I don't think so Tim." You're a terrible advocate, did you know that? When people start threads to laugh at you you've lost your audience. Are you here to hurt Bush's poll numbers? That's what you're doing.
Germany was allied with Japan, who most certainly had attaked the US, pigfucker.
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
This is a deliberate bald faced lie that you're telling to mislead the people here. Germany was openly allied with Japan when we declared war - but you knew this. Are we to assume that since Bush's local advocate is a slimey liar, Bush is too? That's the message you're sending.
Ywah> Well then you must restrict you debating to retarded rocks you stupid prick.
Riiiiiight...The pointy end of the batteries go towards the pointy end of the dildo you want to shove up your ass neofaggot.
Clinton....did...bad! Bush good, see?
"I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S. Burroughs
I rather suspect that the fellas are all gung ho initially because they have the opportunity to use the skills they have honed to a fine degree.......but as time goes on and on, with no winning in sight, or returning home for years, the reality of the lies and lack of planning and mistreatment of the military personnel start to set in. Soon they will realize they were duped and sent off lacking the basics like body armor, armored vehicles, adequate forward planning and exit strategies, and certainly the lack of care for families and injured soldiers on returning home. Once reality sets in, they aren't so gung ho. Getting killed or maimed, physically or mentally, for life isn't worth the oil or georgie's obsession with his daddy allegedly being targeted to die.
There ya go again, quoting that stalwart merikan, good ol henry k!! *PUKE*
Jeeze, Dak ol' buddy, I guess we're gonna have to start a 'Free Dakmar' fund to get you out of trouble along with Flintlock and rowdee. Can't leave y'all in l'il jimmie's l'il gitmo all weekend. LOL!
I'm sure a well educated person, such as your self, knows that it was Germany that declared war on the US. Right? I'm also sure you can point out the formal Iraqi decleration of War on the US. No rush.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
it was Germany that declared war on the US. Right? And Iraq had never ceased hostilities with us ... Remember tbe no-fly zone we had to enforce, with force? The repeated firing of rockets at our jets (of course, the HARM missiles would take out the RADAR sites when that happened)?
...with the rockets we sold him. Not to meantion the self propelled Artillary and millions in loans we gave him. And Iraq had never ceased hostilities with us ... After we attacked Iraq first in defense of a hardline Islamic nation that never liked us in the first place.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
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.with the rockets we sold him. I think the bulk of that 'crap' was Soviet era/Russion crap the former Soviet block countries sold hom.
Your fibbing to us again. Why don't you provide us with a link to support your silly claim.
hahahahahahahaha!
The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.
After we attacked Iraq first in defense of a hardline Islamic nation that I'm on the verge of loosing phase-lock on this one; the continued hostilities resulted from action he took in rolling into Kuwait and we then pushed him back. Or so I thought it went down that way ... So, what treaties did we have in effect with Kuwait in the late 80's early 90's?
After State told him we didn't care much about their regional conflict. We duped him into invading as a pretext to go in and hammer him.
BUSH: The man is practicing fuzzy math again. There's differences. Under Vice President Gore's plan, he is going to grow the federal government in the largest increase since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965.
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#2. To: Brian S (#0)
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
#4. To: Brian S (#0)
Nearly 53 percent of military members said they strongly disapproved or disapproved of Bush's handling of his job. And just more than 56 percent of that same group strongly disapproved or disapproved of how he has dealt with the Iraq war.
#5. To: avian virus (#3)
It's like the Iraqi poll where 64% of them wanted the US out immediately.
#6. To: lodwick (#5)
I thought that it was 94/% that wanted our asses gone.
#7. To: avian virus (#3)
#8. To: lodwick (#5)
#9. To: christine (#7)
#10. To: Brian S (#0)
#11. To: christine (#7)
Isn't it curious then that not only is there no exit plan for Iraq, but that it's also onward to Iran and Syria!
#12. To: _Jim (#10)
one wonders what those stats would be if the press were honest in their treatment of all subjects they cover ...
#13. To: lodwick (#2)
Whotf would want a smirking chimp to lead them into battle?
#14. To: avian virus (#12)
#15. To: Arete (#13)
Three more serfs just lost their lives honoring the previous 2012 who died for the neocons.
#16. To: _Jim (#14)
Good evening Gracy.
#17. To: _Jim (#14)
#18. To: Arete (#13)
Three more serfs just lost their lives honoring the previous 2012 who died for the neocons.
#19. To: avian virus (#17)
#20. To: avian virus (#16)
#21. To: _Jim (#9)
Like the one we had for Germany and other European countries
after WWII?
#22. To: Dakmar (#21)
#23. To: _Jim (#20)
Grow up. The adults are talking here.
#24. To: _Jim (#22)
#25. To: _Jim (#22)
Germany had not directly attacked us either, yet we 'declared war'
#26. To: _Jim (#14)
There is also something about 'debating a minor' and 'abusing those incapable of defending themselves' restricts my ops order here too, in effect setting my 'rules of engagement' to those more capable of argument if you will ...
#27. To: _Jim (#19)
What I need is, is an idler arm replaced; the bolts are cracked loose, but now I can't get the stud from the control arm to move down and out of the old idler arm ...
#28. To: avian virus (#25)
Are we to assume that since Bush's local advocate is a slimey liar, Bush is too?
#29. To: Brian S (#0)
#30. To: christine (#7)
Where are they going to get the "dumb, stupid animals" for it?
#31. To: Dakmar, Flintlock, rowdee, christine, all (#22)
I guess I'm going to put you on Bozo for awhile too, kind of a 'time out', FRiend.
#32. To: _Jim (#22)
Congress also passed resolution(s) regarding Iraq, and Germany had not directly attacked us either, yet we 'declared war'.
#33. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#32)
#34. To: _Jim (#33)
The repeated firing of rockets at our jets...
#35. To: Esso (#31)
#36. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#34)
#37. To: _Jim (#36)
I think the bulk of that 'crap' was Soviet era/Russion crap the former Soviet block countries sold hom.
#38. To: rowdee (#35)
#39. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#34)
#40. To: _Jim (#39)
I'm on the verge of loosing phase-lock on this one; the continued hostilities resulted from action he took in rolling into Kuwait and we then pushed him back.
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