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Title: For those interested in reincarnation and what happens between lives
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Post Date: 2011-12-21 12:19:02 by PSUSA2
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Here are a couple of books written by a regression hypnotist that stumbled onto this topic. It goes well beyond the standard past life regressions. If you want to know why people are the way they are, and why life is so difficult, and what happens after death, this is a possible answer that goes well beyond the "you must have FAITH, my child!" nonsense. To me, this has the "ring of truth", based on what I already see and know, but your mileage may vary. This remarkable book uncovers--for the first time--the mystery of life in the spirit world after death on earth. Dr. Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist in private practice, has developed his own hypnosis technique to reach his subjects' hidden memories of the hereafter. The resulting narrative acts as a progressive "travel log" of the accounts of twenty-nine people who were placed in a state of superconsciousness. While in deep hypnosis, these subjects movingly describe what has happened to them between their former reincarnations on earth. They reveal graphic details about how it feels to die, who meets us right after death, what the spirit world is really like, where we go and what we do as souls, and why we choose to come back in certain bodies. www.megaupload.com/?d=VXXOFIL1 Michael Newton is one of a handful of published researchers who is adding to our knowledge of life between lives through the use of hypnosis. In coming decades, this kind of research should build and expand until we have a detailed understanding of life on the higher dimensions. In this book he continues his years of investigations, taking us further into an understanding of the soul's journey in and out of incarnation. Some topics covered in this book are (1) The various ways recently deceased souls try to make contact with those left behind, (2) How our spiritual energy is restored after a difficult incarnation or traumatic death, (3) How our between-life vocations can manifest in our earthly careers, (4) More on colors as indications of levels of attainment, (5) Spiritual names, (6) Much more on our soul groups, and how we interact between and during incarnations, (7) The "Council of Elders", a review panel of higher beings who help us gain insight on our lives just after we complete one, and just before we begin a new one, (8)How souls are "born" from higher levels into the level we spend time in between lives, (9) Extensive case studies of the "library" of past lives which souls study in between lifetimes. With Newton's work and those of similar investigators we are finally gaining an understanding of life in higher dimensions based on research and first-hand reports, rather than speculation and belief. Other than Newton's work, two other good books along this line are out of print, but generally not hard to find. One is LIFE BETWEEN LIVES (1986) by Whitton and Fisher. That book also follows the case-study approach. A second book is EXPLORING REINCARNATION (1987) by Hans Tendam. This book is a rigorous summary of the whole subject of past lives, life between lives, and the reliability of hypnosis as a tool of investigation. It's not a light read, but is the most in depth and thorough book on the subject to date, and essential reading for anyone who wishes to become well informed about it. If you want them, I suggest reading them in order. The 2nd book builds on the first book.
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#1. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
Thank you for this posting. I have always lived with the awareness of my last incarnation, where I was born in Scotland and died on a sub during WW2. People always thought I was strange talking about my life as Alan, especially when I was a child and it was very clear to me. The issue is terribly important to me now and I have spent hours trying to ask the universe questions: Where is Neal now? Is his soul safe from evil? Does he remember me or did he forget me when he died, as we tend to forget past lives when born? Will I see him again or is our love gone forever? He has disappeared from my dreams, and I used to dream of him all the time when he was alive. He used to get in big trouble for making me mad in a dream. So yes, thank you, It would be nice to have an idea what happens after death and I could see that that is knowledge we have if we dig deeply enough into our consciousness.
You're welcome Where is Neal now? Is his soul safe from evil? Does he remember me or did he forget me when he died, as we tend to forget past lives when born? Will I see him again or is our love gone forever? He has disappeared from my dreams, and I used to dream of him all the time when he was alive. He used to get in big trouble for making me mad in a dream. These books will answer those questions, even the reasons for the amnesia. I can't guarantee the accuracy, of course, but like I said, to me it has the ring of truth to it. I read the first one and am reading the 2nd one now. I don't have the same level of detail that you have, but I always thought that I was a WW2 fighter pilot, probably in the Pacific, in my most recent past life. Whether I lived or died in the war or after, I don't know. -------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, PS. This subject has intrigued me since reading about that "soul surviver" kid who at some 9 years old allegedly recalls incredible detail of his life until he was shot down and killed during WWII, even remembering faces of shipmates well enough to recognize and name them at navy reunions 60 years after the fact. These days with the internet it makes it very possible to test the validity of alleged memories. If this is true, the ramifications are of course absolutely enormous and blow away the relevancy of so very much of what we think is important in the day to day lives we all get caught up in. Are we inherently immortal, or perhaps connected to or a very part of the universe itself, with our fate tied to it? Are souls immortal or is it possible they/we can still be destroyed? If/when the universe burns out 100 billion years from now, do we go with it or are we more than even that? Do we have a power that is associated with our beings which enable us to actually shape what happens to us? Thanks for the links and info.
when you consider the concept of being made in the image of God, the mind broadens. If we truly made in the image of God, then like God, we would exist outside of space/time, beyond the 10 dimensions of string theory or the 11 dimensions of M theory. Also, if we are made in his image, then all the associated abilities are ours as well. As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
This link is confusing. All the download stuff I click on just downloads RealPlayer. Do you have to pay? What do you do there?
The books case histories says we are immortal, and being destroyed is never an option, but some are reworked if they are too damaged. Love and mercy are not just concepts that have been totally trashed by religions to the point that they are meaningless. I normally don't post links to books like this, but for some reason I decided to do that. Or, maybe it was decided for me. lol -------------------------------------------------------- That's odd. Let me check it out. I'll upload it myself if I have to.
-------------------------------------------------------- depositfiles.com/files/52xh6cs21 Sorry about that. There were 2 links and I picked the wrong one. -------------------------------------------------------- I just took off and watched a 5 part series on Youtube by Dr. Newton. I found him sincere and believable, especially as he came to his calling reluctantly. I am helped by my awareness of previous lives, but these questions do profoundly affect you after the loss of a spouse/soulmate. I have also read some of the same info at other sources I have searched out recently. All in all, quite comforting.
I would use the word "potentials" instead of "abilities". Not to be nitpicky though ;) I may be a Satanist, but I never said there was no God. It's just not the jew tribal psycho 'god'. -------------------------------------------------------- The God is the same but the worship may be faulty. As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
Exactly. I have used variations on that same argument much to the consternation of some very narrow minded people - mainly so-called Christians. Philosophically you can find many of same PHILOSOPHIC premises in all major religions. That man is not an animal but IS a spiritual being independent of the body inhabited for one lifetime. That concept scares the PTB on several levels People who are aware that the death of their body is not a personal death are not as easy to control. People who cease to have a pathological fear of death as a personal and permanent demise have a greater willingness to expend that body for that most ephemeral and yet most valuable of all goods - freedom. Religious leaders fear it because they place themselves in the position of controlling individual spiritual existence and use it as a means of control i.e., "If you don't do what I say God won't love you anymore and then you'll die forever." The following simple syllogism will drive most materialistic Western Christians to a near rage as it conflicts deeply with their attitudes and forces them to think and examine those beliefs: God created man in his own image. Well, if our souls do detach and reattach to bodies over time, how does Christianity -- and for that matter all other religions, major and minor -- fit into the big picture? All versions of Christianity reject the idea of reincarnation, and in fact it pretty much completely turns it on its head. I mean, it just doesn't work any more, does it? Just as legends and myths are usually based on factual instances of history, perhaps Christianity, along with other religions have a lot of truth to them, such as the "made in the image of God" idea, and having faith to see you through hard times, and for miraculous healing, and loving your neighbor as yourself, forgiving your enemies, all of which may well have very real spiritual benefits at the soul level. And yet much of the padded doctrine that's layered on top of it may only be a fabrication to satisfy the minds that ask questions and demand answers in spite of having a vacuum of information. Parents will invent explanations for kids that are too young to understand the complexities of life, and these kids grow up holding these ideas as sound doctrine, and then religion is born. Maybe?
I believe animals have souls too. I have some cats and dogs on the other side I really want to see again. Besides, the cat grabbing me right now and making me kiss her has a very great soul on board.
If people have souls that are reincarnated, and evolution is how life changes on earth, then it's very logical to conclude that animals could/should have souls as well. In fact since the difference between animals and lower life forms including plants is rather subjective or abstract, then it could be argued that all life forms could have souls tied to them. As I said the ramifications are pretty huge. I'm still having chicken for dinner tonight though.
This one worked. Thanks.
I have had pets that passed on come back and visit. I don't really see them but I am enough of a sensitive to be aware of their presence. Like my sister's cat Dusty who had a favorite spot under the tree in the backyard. After his poor body gave out he hung out for a while just sitting in his old spot. As well my old friends Thomas Felinus, Tom, still comes back to visit every now and then as well as my lovely little Tiadorable. I am never alone and they are still my friends. Tia has moved on but I think Tom is still hanging out. I used to feel a ghost cat walk across me at night from time to time when I first moved here, not one of mine, but have not noticed it in a while. The golden tabby center of my heart, Frodo the Magnificat, passed on March 20, 2007 and I still feel him. I believe he was a tiger in a previous incarnation, as his soul was great too.
Our furry friends never leave our heart. Each and every one is special in their own way. Tom was a Lion - and even walked down the street like one. He wasn't the biggest Tom in the neighborhood, but he was the toughest. He was also the most loving cat I have ever had. I just wish he hadn't lead with his face. Those doggone vet bills got expensive patching him up. Even though I learned how to do a lot of it myself I did not have anesthetics and that always bothered me when I was treating some of those nasty infections.
I find this to be somewhat interesting. I do believe in a Heaven and a Hell. But sometimes when I look at a painting, I sense I have been there before. For example, when I look at a certain Thomas Kincade painting, I really feel I have been there. I once watched a tv movie, "Audry Rose", and to this day, I wonder about these things myself. Some call these kinds of similar life paths and events "synchronicity". Just out of the blue, one time I was suddenly thinking of my ceiling about to collapse. Wouldn't you know it that same night I tuned on the news and hear of somebody's apartment ceiling suddenly collapsing right on top of them. Then, one time, I was sitting in class, in '95, History class, and somebody had passed over our door a sign that read "He's Acquited" referring to O.J. Simpson's murder case. As soon as I saw this sign, I quietly remember saying, "What we need is another earthquake". Two minutes later, we had an earthquake! The person sitting behind me said, "Please don't say it again".
An eternal living spirit does not necessarily mean returning to earth in multiple bodies. I am hard core Christian who believes in the Bible as truth. However I also believe in science and a broad spectrum of ideas. I do not see them as counter to the Bible as many do. My belief in God is a very personal thing, one which I am mostly reluctant to talk about. Mainly because my love of science puts my religious beliefs outside the box. Edit: I don't believe in reincarnation but I don't discount the possibility. I too have "past life" memories. As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
Very interesting. I will have to read more about those. Reincarnation raises some difficult questions. I definitely believe in the soul. I would say I am conscious of my soul and there is a rider-and-horse relationship to the body. When I look in the mirror I have always felt that the "me" I see isnt the real "me". I'm inside that meat somewhere. My body is just the "horse", I am the "rider". Or maybe I'm just nuts. So if reincarnation is real why did I come back as this? I dont buy that. If reincarnation were real it would have to be involuntary.
#2. To: octavia (#1)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#3. To: octavia, PSUSA2 (#1)
#4. To: Pinguinite, octavia, PSUSA2, Original_Intent, abraxas (#3)
Are souls immortal or is it possible they/we can still be destroyed? If/when the universe burns out 100 billion years from now, do we go with it or are we more than even that? Do we have a power that is associated with our beings which enable us to actually shape what happens to us?
#5. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
#6. To: Pinguinite (#3)
Are souls immortal or is it possible they/we can still be destroyed?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#7. To: Pinguinite (#5)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#8. To: Pinguinite, octavia (#5)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#9. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
#10. To: farmfriend (#4)
lso, if we are made in his image, then all the associated abilities are ours as well.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#11. To: PSUSA2 (#10)
I may be a Satanist, but I never said there was no God. It's just not the jew tribal psycho 'god'.
#12. To: farmfriend (#4)
when you consider the concept of being made in the image of God, the mind broadens. If we truly made in the image of God, then like God, we would exist outside of space/time, beyond the 10 dimensions of string theory or the 11 dimensions of M theory. Also, if we are made in his image, then all the associated abilities are ours as well.
God is a spirit not a body and exists independent of the flesh.
Therefore man is a spiritual being that exists independent of the flesh.
#13. To: farmfriend (#4)
when you consider the concept of being made in the image of God, the mind broadens. If we truly made in the image of God, then like God, we would exist outside of space/time, beyond the 10 dimensions of string theory or the 11 dimensions of M theory. Also, if we are made in his image, then all the associated abilities are ours as well.
#14. To: Original_Intent (#12)
#15. To: octavia (#14)
I believe animals have souls too.
#16. To: PSUSA2 (#8)
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#17. To: octavia (#14)
I believe animals have souls too. I have some cats and dogs on the other side I really want to see again. Besides, the cat grabbing me right now and making me kiss her has a very great soul on board.
#18. To: Original_Intent (#17)
#19. To: octavia (#18)
#20. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
#21. To: Pinguinite (#13)
(Edited)
Well, if our souls do detach and reattach to bodies over time, how does Christianity -- and for that matter all other religions, major and minor -- fit into the big picture? All versions of Christianity reject the idea of reincarnation, and in fact it pretty much completely turns it on its head. I mean, it just doesn't work any more, does it?
#22. To: PSUSA2, farmfriend (#0)
If you want to know why people are the way they are, and why life is so difficult, and what happens after death, this is a possible answer that goes well beyond the "you must have FAITH, my child!" nonsense.
If our souls choose who we come back as, why would any choose to come back as a 14-year-olds baby drowned in a toilet at birth? Or anyone with a sad life?
Why didnt I choose to come back as a rich playboy who has an easy life, gets laid every day, lives to be 100 (with great health), and is adored by millions?
I choose this instead?
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#23. To: Armadillo (#22)
Here's my personal take on this one. We are spirits living in this material world in a material body. Our bodies are prisons of our souls. It is only when we are asleep that our souls are free. When I sleep, I roam all over the world and oftentimes fly in the universe. (No, I'm not smoking Mr. Greenthumb either.) ...When I look in the mirror I have always felt that the "me" I see isnt the real "me". I'm inside that meat somewhere. My body is just the "horse", I am the "rider". Or maybe I'm just nuts."
#24. To: Armadillo (#22)
So if reincarnation is real why did I come back as this? Because the energetic body (soul) is sparked into the body that fits its perfect elemental necessity. The attraction is too strong to resist. If the life is sad or results in death (as all do and is a rebirth to another state) then this is not of harsh consequence for the time on this earth will serve the greater energetic needs of the soul and enhance the soul experience. "This" that you came back to is perfect, but you do not see it as such. If you came into this life rich and with all the material aspects you desire, how much would you limit your potential for growth? our souls choose who we come back as, why would any choose to come back as a 14-year-olds baby drowned in a toilet at birth? Or anyone with a sad life?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#25. To: PSUSA2 (#6)
For further reference on the in between states, I recommend the Tibetan Book of the Dead or its sister The Egyptian book of the dead.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#26. To: abraxas (#24)
Still dont buy it. If reincarnation were real, it might be more like karma. A good person gets a good next life as a reward. An evil person gets a hard life.If you came into this life rich and with all the material aspects you desire, how much would you limit your potential for growth?
Going back to the baby born into a toilet and drowned. How much spritual growth did that soul get? None.
But I dont buy that either.
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#27. To: Armadillo (#26) (Edited)
That's not for you or I to judge Dillo....but on the other side death isn't looked upon as bad. Each energetic body has its own needs to fill.....you or I or any other person on this planet. We have an opportunity to grow while in the elemental body and this is the GREAT gift of life, all life including the little babies who do not live very long. Consider the growth the life offers to others in your analysis as well as the growth that one soul gains. Consider that people continue to reincarnate until they achieve a level of BEING that merits getting off the wheel of life. Not all continue to reincarnate as there is a goal to achieve. We have choices in life and these choices determine the level of our BEING......so, in the end, a soul may actually digress for the (evil) choices made or they may enhance their sense of BEING. If you consider good and evil as choice beyond the state of judgment you foster a great compassion for those who opt for the latter, for what a price to pay for a soul to digress. Going back to the baby born into a toilet and drowned. How much spritual growth did that soul get?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#28. To: Armadillo (#26)
That's alright because I'm not attempting to sell it, just offering some food for thought on the topic. Still dont buy it.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#29. To: farmfriend (#21)
Agreed. The Christian idea is that it's one life on earth, and then eternity either with God in heaven or alone in fiery torment, but either way, eternal existence. As a bit of a scientist at heart, I have struggled to find compatibility between the Bible & Christianity vs science and logic. There are things that are hard to settle. One item pertinent to the subject on this thread is what happens to babies that die. They've had no chance to hear the gospel and make a choice for God, nor have they had any chance to actually commit sin. So where do they go? The litmus test decision of heaven or hell seems inappropriate to apply to those who die at various ages and with various degrees of mental lucidness. This type thing makes it seem like the standard Christian model is a bit invented. And then I wonder why the Bible should be accepted as the "Word of God". Some Christians believe the Bible is the "Word of God" because the Bible says it's the "Word of God", but obviously, self-certified authorship isn't valid. So what's the real, valid reason to believe the Bible? An eternal living spirit does not necessarily mean returning to earth in multiple bodies.
I am hard core Christian who believes in the Bible as truth. However I also believe in science and a broad spectrum of ideas. I do not see them as counter to the Bible as many do.
#30. To: Armadillo (#22)
This assumes that souls would know in advance the outcome of a given chosen life, which there is no reason to believe is the case. I know what you're saying and for me it's the old "I think, therefore I am" thing. *I* see through my eyes but not anyone else's. If all I am is flesh and blood, then I really shouldn't have a concept of *me*. But I do, so what the heck is going on here? Have you seen the flick called "The Secret?" Check it out if you haven't. It advocates a philosophy called the "Law of Attraction" where you attract things into your life according to what you are and believe at your deepest level. And for the vast majority of people, what's believed at that level is a mix of good and bad. Some people cannot conceive of living a healthy life and so are plagued with constant illness. Others cannot believe they deserve to be wealthy and so they live modestly. Not because they consciously want these things but because they don't believe that living better is a possibility. It explains the placebo effect in medicine about perfectly. That flick says nothing about reincarnation, but would mesh with it to answer your question perfectly. Maybe it is involuntary. Imagine a new, empty body that eventually sucks up a soul from the eatherworld like a vacuum cleaner. If your happy soul happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.... bummer! If our souls choose who we come back as, why would any choose to come back as a 14-year-olds baby drowned in a toilet at birth? Or anyone with a sad life?
I definitely believe in the soul. I would say I am conscious of my soul and there is a rider-and-horse relationship to the body. When I look in the mirror I have always felt that the "me" I see isnt the real "me". I'm inside that meat somewhere. My body is just the "horse", I am the "rider". Or maybe I'm just nuts.
So if reincarnation is real why did I come back as this? Why didnt I choose to come back as a rich playboy who has an easy life, gets laid every day, lives to be 100 (with great health), and is adored by millions? I choose this instead?
I dont buy that. If reincarnation were real it would have to be involuntary.
#31. To: purplerose (#23)
I've heard of people claiming to have this "astral projection" ability. Have you ever testing this by having your spouse put a message inside a closed box, taped shut, and then entering the box during your travels to read what it says? If you could do that, it would blow some people away. When I sleep, I roam all over the world and oftentimes fly in the universe. (No, I'm not smoking Mr. Greenthumb either.)
#32. To: Original_Intent (#12)
The original Hebrew is more like, "God created Man in Their own Likeness". Where that knowledge came from is unknown, but there is more than likely a huge amount of truth there... God created man in his own image.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#33. To: Armadillo (#26)
But I dont buy that either. And why not? Do you "buy" the idea of heaven and/or hell? If reincarnation were real, it might be more like karma. A good person gets a good next life as a reward. An evil person gets a hard life.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
Thanks for the info, will most certainly check it out.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#35. To: Armadillo (#26)
Download the first book PSUSA put on the thread (link in the article is wrong... corrected around post 7 or so). I'm on about page 80 and it's an interesting take.... assuming it's for real, and it seems candid enough, for what that's worth. The story I'm getting is that each new life is intended for continued spiritual growth, though some people can carry forward ills and elements from one life to another. Things like chronic physical pains in the body of this life being traced to the method of death in the previous life. If reincarnation were real, it might be more like karma. A good person gets a good next life as a reward. An evil person gets a hard life. But I dont buy that either.
#36. To: Pinguinite (#29)
probably the hardest question to answer and the answer may only be answered within your own faith. There is no valid reason to believe any holy book. Personally I believe the Bible is the word of God but I also understand it was written and edited by men. One must also look at dispensation or the time frame it was written in. So what's the real, valid reason to believe the Bible?
As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
#37. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#27)
I do agree with that, and have said before that from Gods perspective death may be the birth of a soul. If we carry that analogy forward, babies dont return to the womb ever. Why would a soul return to a body?but on the other side death isn't looked upon as bad.
Birth is not fun for a baby, probably terrifying, but we celebrate it.
Might death be seen the same way by God?
Once born into Gods presence, nothing more is needed.
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#38. To: Armadillo (#22)
Well, I am certainly not an expert on this. I'm stumbling thru life like everyone else. All I can do is give some of the info that the books give, and these are all taken from the authors case histories, and to me they do make sense. What they say, and I already agreed with even before reading these books, is that we learn more, we advance more, thru trials. Going thru these trials, that I then learned that we choose for ourselves before incarnating, make us stronger. I know, going thru this is not easy. Some have it worse than others, but knowing that does not make the situation any easier while WE are fumbling our way thru our own shitstorms. I dont buy that. If reincarnation were real it would have to be involuntary. If you don't but that, that's fine. But, it is all voluntary, from what I read, and to me what I read does make sense. Earth is known as a hardship post, for which we volunteer. And I too have thought many times, because reincarnation is not a new idea to me, is "WTF did I get myself into! What was I thinking when I decided to come here?!!?" Reincarnation raises some difficult questions. If our souls choose who we come back as, why would any choose to come back as a 14-year-olds baby drowned in a toilet at birth? Or anyone with a sad life?
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#39. To: PSUSA2 (#38)
you know what? it's the starlings and blackbirds, again... i'd rather watch them and marvel, rather than explain them. I'm stumbling thru life
#40. To: lead.and.lag (#39)
Yeah, balance is not easy to maintain. I seem to appreciate explanations more than just marveling.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#41. To: PSUSA2 (#40)
well, you cant know everything. can you? I seem to appreciate explanations more
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