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Title: For those interested in reincarnation and what happens between lives
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Post Date: 2011-12-21 12:19:02 by PSUSA2
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Here are a couple of books written by a regression hypnotist that stumbled onto this topic. It goes well beyond the standard past life regressions. If you want to know why people are the way they are, and why life is so difficult, and what happens after death, this is a possible answer that goes well beyond the "you must have FAITH, my child!" nonsense. To me, this has the "ring of truth", based on what I already see and know, but your mileage may vary. This remarkable book uncovers--for the first time--the mystery of life in the spirit world after death on earth. Dr. Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist in private practice, has developed his own hypnosis technique to reach his subjects' hidden memories of the hereafter. The resulting narrative acts as a progressive "travel log" of the accounts of twenty-nine people who were placed in a state of superconsciousness. While in deep hypnosis, these subjects movingly describe what has happened to them between their former reincarnations on earth. They reveal graphic details about how it feels to die, who meets us right after death, what the spirit world is really like, where we go and what we do as souls, and why we choose to come back in certain bodies. www.megaupload.com/?d=VXXOFIL1 Michael Newton is one of a handful of published researchers who is adding to our knowledge of life between lives through the use of hypnosis. In coming decades, this kind of research should build and expand until we have a detailed understanding of life on the higher dimensions. In this book he continues his years of investigations, taking us further into an understanding of the soul's journey in and out of incarnation. Some topics covered in this book are (1) The various ways recently deceased souls try to make contact with those left behind, (2) How our spiritual energy is restored after a difficult incarnation or traumatic death, (3) How our between-life vocations can manifest in our earthly careers, (4) More on colors as indications of levels of attainment, (5) Spiritual names, (6) Much more on our soul groups, and how we interact between and during incarnations, (7) The "Council of Elders", a review panel of higher beings who help us gain insight on our lives just after we complete one, and just before we begin a new one, (8)How souls are "born" from higher levels into the level we spend time in between lives, (9) Extensive case studies of the "library" of past lives which souls study in between lifetimes. With Newton's work and those of similar investigators we are finally gaining an understanding of life in higher dimensions based on research and first-hand reports, rather than speculation and belief. Other than Newton's work, two other good books along this line are out of print, but generally not hard to find. One is LIFE BETWEEN LIVES (1986) by Whitton and Fisher. That book also follows the case-study approach. A second book is EXPLORING REINCARNATION (1987) by Hans Tendam. This book is a rigorous summary of the whole subject of past lives, life between lives, and the reliability of hypnosis as a tool of investigation. It's not a light read, but is the most in depth and thorough book on the subject to date, and essential reading for anyone who wishes to become well informed about it. If you want them, I suggest reading them in order. The 2nd book builds on the first book.
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#149. To: PSUSA2 (#148)
Something an insane bigot like you knows nothing about. two of us had lamas on a frost control contract in fresno, sat in a holiday inn for six weeks or so, didnt turn a blade. i didnt see the other guy much even though he was in the next room... he said, "yeah, i been watching those tv reachers, but i had to turn them off when they started making sense."
Okay, but that would imply that all of Newton's clients are basically possessed by these demons. Seems just about everybody then must be possessed or only those who are possessed would become a client of Newton's. And all the hypnotherapists he's trained, by the way. Not likely by my thinking. Most faiths have documentation, tenants, witnesses and moral teachings. Miracles on earth are not only possible but happen according to Newton. I'm not being confrontational. I *WANT* to know the truth about these things. That's been my favorite prayer in recent years, just to understand what the truth is, no matter what it is, however good or bad. And if I see the intellectual merits of what Newton says, am I damned forever simply for doing so? Is it preferable for me to turn away from what I believe must be true and instead embrace a less harmoneous theology that I think *might* be true out of fear of eternal damnation? Would God be more pleased with me for not following my true conscience that way? That in itself is contrary to the Christianity I know. I thought we were supposed to be honest. If only one person under hypnosis was giving this whole story, I'd take it with a grain of salt. However, when hundreds and thousands of people of all pursuasions all say the same thing while under, *then* yes, I do think it's something to pay attention to and find an explanation for. A rational one, of course. Would you care to share these things with us?
Well, that's not really an answer. I know that's the Christian answer but to just basically say that "God is wise and he'll figure it out" is pretty much the same answer one could give for any challenge to Christianity where things get a bit muddled, and that's precisely my point. Because the information that Newton provides does, in fact, give a very clean answer to questions like what happens children when they die and why it isn't the least bit unfair (spiritually) for them to do so. Ditto for people who are born crippled for life, blind or any other sickness you can come up with.
Newton reports that there is not only life but intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.
Those are the verses. But how do we know they are divine truth? Maybe the Bible is only a collection of really good writings? Accepting the Bible as the Word of God is something done on faith alone. The disciple Thomas didn't believe Jesus rose again until he could put his fingers through the holes in his hands and feet. Was that true or was story that story added to the gospel to get people to believe without actually seeing? Why do you believe the Bible is unerring? On what basis do you do so?
As per Newton's take... no. Our souls do have a birth. Souls are born on a continuing basis, so there is a first incarnation of life for souls. As per above, no. Everyone has a first life, so this life for you could be your first. No. As per above souls are being born continuously though there's no indication at what rate that's happening. Souls eventually stop incarnating and move forward / upward, closer to "the Source". To what end, Newton says he does not know, but he speculates that it may be for eventual merging back with the "Source", which is not unlike the final destiny as per Christianity.
Read the books and watch the vids, and you will know just as much as I do about this subject. Your questions are answered, though. It's best that the author answer them, and not me. I guess I felt differently! But if you are interested in the subject get the books and read them. I'll definitely second that. At least the first book. Your questions are answered better than you'd expect. And yes, this info is only what Newton says his clients told him. Treat it as you will.
okay, that's good... not everybody is a reincarnation, so that explains the mathematics. are reincarnated souls superior to souls that are not reicarnations? and why are you inclined to believe hypnotists who have no more evidence than, say, christians, muslims, or jews do? and what's the difference, anyhow, seeing as how the hindus in india, who believe in reincarnation, seem to be in as bad a mess as the rest of us?
In terms of development, almost always the answer is no, as it is largely the experience of incarnations that advances soul development. Because in the case of Newton, he bases his information on the collective "testimony" if you will, of his clients. His information not first hand but second hand from many people who all give matching accounts. Major religions, on the other hand, don't have info anywhere close to second hand. Instead the info has been passed down through countless generations which opens the door to mutation and manipulated theology. The quality of life has no relation to correct theology. According to Newton, we chose the lives we are living now. Our life assignments are not in the least random. Souls will volunteer for hard lives in order to grow themselves spiritually, perhaps to address some shortcoming they have. For example a soul that has a problem with vanity and may well choose a life destined to be a beggar to learn a bit of humility. Another soul that is under confident may choose a life that puts him/her in a position of authority. It matters little what theology that life embraces, whether it's Christan, Muslim, Hindu, Athiest or whatever. What's important is how that soul works the life in question in terms of being a positive force in the lives of him/herself, and others.
okay... people who have no memory (under hypnosis) of past lives are inferior... that's nice and straightforward. newton's "collective testimony" cuts about as much ice as testimony from chemtrail fans, or people who've been abducted by aliens, or people who suffer from morgellons disease... there are apparently millions of those kinds of people. we choose our lives? ...if, by the time we've been incarnated, we cant remember making that choice, what's the difference? ...we're stuck, no matter what, arent we? and one more question: will everyone living now return to the soul pool for recycling, or what? because the implications of that are kinda unsettling... for instance, if everybody goes back in the pool, and if we dont discover a replacement for fossil fuels, there's gonna be a a dieoff... billions of lost souls, wandering the cosmos, crying, "where's my body? ...where's my body?"
it just looks like another scheme to control people by appealing to their fear of death. but reincarnation has a kind of interesting wrinkle... you gotta behave yourself or you'll come back as a toilet scrubber at texas stadium, or maybe a ship breaker in india. i gotta say, if karma is any guide, most reincarnated americans will wind up making a living by dumpster diving. . anyhow, it's always the same old thing... if you find a story that appeals to you, go for it, stick with it... somebody, somewhere, might even turn out to be right, which would improve humanity's chances of survival. meahwhile, my personal solution is to believe that there are things we cant know and cant understand, and i seem to be content with that.
My animal companions loved me unconditionally once I understood their needs and quirks. My one parakeet Marty was the most stubborn and resistant to finger training, but after about 5 years he surrendered. He'd then help me train the new birds and even peck them if they didn't go along with the program. I made the mistake of allowing Marty out of his cage without clipping his wings and when someone knocked on the door it startled him. He flew into a wall and died from internal injuries.
I'm not sure what you meant by that or who you were addressing. But if it was because I didn't want to answer the questions, it's because if one is curious enough to ask the questions then they can go to the source for themselves to get the answers. Spoonfeeding answers is always counterproductive. Why do all that work for someone that will probably do nothing with it? If they can't be bothered to get their own answers, then I see no reason to expend any effort for them. Also my answers might be a little inaccurate which leads to misunderstandings / errors, which always seem to multiply. -------------------------------------------------------- But not from various backgrounds who describe very similar things while under hypnosis. Maybe. But so what? Generally yes, but it's not a "pool" per se. As mentioned, some will "graduate" in a sense and no longer incarnate. Others may simply choose not to incarnate for a while. Perhaps never again. Nothing is ever forced. Time works differently there. If earth died tomorrow, Another world would be chosen to replace it and things would go on.
On the other hand, if it's an accurate picture of reality, then what it looks like is immaterial. It's not meant to look like anything other than what it is. Well, If your goal is to find a model of life that makes everything super easy, you can do so, I'm sure. That won't make it true though. And this is bad because...??? hehe Then good for you.
Yes that's what I meant. Valid thinking. But there's no way we'd come close to sharing the whole of both books on the thread. Those who are really curious *will* read the book and/or get more info on their own, and if anyone is curious about the books but is too lazy to do so then it's their own loss and I won't worry about it. Sure, but that's the nature of things anyway. So I'll sign on to that disclaimer as well.
I am so sorry for the loss of your bird. We had a couple of parakeets one time that were mates. Anyone who tells you that birds don't have feelings is just ignorant. When the little male died the female just about died from grief and she would sit on top of the cage or curtain rod just waiting for someone to open the door so she could fly out. I know she wanted to get out and look for her mate. It was very sad.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
that kinda violates karmic laws, doesnt it? ...and how then would americans be punished for their piggishness if they choose to come back as, say, emperor of china?...assuming for the sake of argument that in an infinite number of universes, worlds and lives to choose from, there'd be an infinite number of openings for emperor of china? IF... are you saying you're convinced?
i hate to keep asking these dumb questions, but maybe it's my crumby karma... so here goes... some things that need clarification... is it safe to assume that people on earth now who are starving to death, or are being bombed with white phosphorous or napalm, or blown to bits by cluster bombs or drones.... all those people must be new souls that havent been reincarnated... ...because nobody in their right mind, in the choosing stage of reincarnation, would choose to starve or die of horrible wounds, would they? and i guess, given the fact that almost all the people starving and being blown to bits are colored, then whatever force is spawning these new souls is putting them into colored bodies. why is that, do you suppose?
My meaning is that you could do it, but that doesn't mean you'd come up with an accurate model. You can also believe the world is flat, and I won't stop you from doing so, but that doesn't mean the world would be flat. Be wrong if that's what you choose to do. It's not about punishment. Never is it about punishment. That's a carryover from typical religious thinking. It's about choosing a life that challenges you in areas where you are weak so you can become a better person. Though some souls, typically younger souls, will just choose easy fun lives as they may have little motivation to grow. They are permitted to "play" for a while just as 2-3 year olds are allowed to, and not put into first grade until age 5 or so. Also some can be tired of a series of hard lives and want a little vacation. Again this is all according to what Newton has had reported from his clients. As for having an infinite choices as per string theory's 10 dimensions of everything, that doesn't seem to be the case when it comes to choices. Newton reports that a few lives, 2 or 3 maybe, are selected as recommended options for a particular soul, which usually is what's chosen. But nothing is ever forced. The selection is in every case made ultimately by the soul in question, including a rejection of all options. That is why life is always fair, in spiritual terms, no matter what hardships a person may face, including a young death, or a life of crippling disease, such as with Steven Hawkings. The spirit world has a definite structure and order to it, Newton says, with places, guides, "elders", and teachers participating in all that goes on. The stereotype of everyone floating around on clouds playing harps is nonsense. The reason I'm able to consider Newton's portrayal of the spirit world is because I have an open mind, and because of that, I am still open to the possibility that Newton is a fraud, or that there is another explanation for his reports. But it's like this.... if you've been struggling to solve a bunch of math problems for 6 months, and then some guy walks in the door and provides solutions to them all in 5 minutes, then you are pretty much inclined to conclude that he really knows math better than you do. I'll echo PSUSA's 2 words on this thread about Newton's portrayal: "It fits". For me, this portrayal of things makes everything else fall into place. Things I've seen and experienced in my life, things I've been puzzled about for a very long time, and things I feel in my heart. Everything. It fits. So while others may not see this as a big deal, I do. Liberator here apparently has alternate experiences that persuade him to believe the Christian model. I respect that and will continue to have an open mind with more information.
If you are genuinely curious, you really ought to read at least the first book. It's not boring. Wrong. Yes they would. I sense a loaded question. Read the book.
it would fit for me, too, if i was a racial supremacist that figured i could get away with murdering millions or billions of people, and needed some kind of "spiritual" mumbo-jumbo to justify my actions. i got to say that it's hard for me to believe that any same person, dead or alive, would choose to starve to death, or be bombed or napalmed.
I have no idea why you'd think this.
the logic dictates that the new souls --the ones that have yet to be incarnated- - have no choice... the good choices would be taken up by people who have been carnated, and are in the process of being reincarnated... you say they have a choice. no sane person would choose to starve to death or be bombed to death, so that means that the people who are being starved and bombed had no choice. since it's non-whites, mostly, who are being starved and bombed, then they must be the new souls who had no choice of what kind of life they'd live.
you also say that the new souls --the ones yet to be incarnated-- are inferior to the reincarnated souls, and you also say that they have no choice of lives to be incarnated into. since it's non-whites who are doing the most suffering, we have to assume that they had no choice. or maybe it's simply that they dont have souls... they're just props, cannon fodder, for the reincarnated elite. the whole proposition has some nasty implications.
this scheme seems to be the ultimate "blame the victim" caper. we can kill millions or billions of people, because that's the life and death those people chose. i spose if i strangled my neighbor in his sleep, i'd be innocent, because it was, after all, his fault... he chose to live and die like that. doesnt work... and if you guys are unable to explain this stuff, then that's your fault... you must have chosen that disability when the incarnations were being passed out.
This is going nowhere, imo. If people would take the same amount of time to actually read the source as they do asking people that only read the source and didn't write it, they might understand things a little better. This is precisely what christians do to their bible. They depend on others to tell them what it says, and means. I can't speak for the author, or the clients. To do so is to write another book. THe same questions people are asking here are answered there. THen, if they don't agree what his clients told him, then obviously they are free to disregard the whole thing. I faced the same thing when I showed the entire concept of "eternal torture in hell" was crap. Those that wanted to argue always, and I mean always, tried to come up with the most extreme cases in order to try and disprove it, like the usual Hitler and Stalin, etc. as if their little version of hell was populated with only the worst of the worst, and not someones grandma or dad. They never would argue scriptures. -------------------------------------------------------- You used the term "inferior". I did not. And I never said new souls have no choice of life.
Read the book. Read the book.
I don't mind spreading some info around and answering questions as best I can for those who are genuinely curious, but you're right. If they are genuinely curious, then they'll pursue this on their own. I'm about tapped out on the subject for now as I really have to turn my attention to more mundane subjects, like making a living. I'll give you one final thanks for tipping me off to this. Cheers...
it's going somewhere you dont want it to go, that''s all... this newton guy could be right, but there's no more proof of his rightness than there's proof of any number of other religions. now then, if i wake up dead tomorrow in a furnace, i'll know that the people that believe in hell were right. i i wake up dead, standing in line for a new incarnation, i'll know newton was right. in the meantime, seeing as how this particular philosphy seems to be a copout of the worst "blame the victim" sort, i'm gonna regard it as a potential tool that could be used to justify more atrocities in the name of "spirituality"... and of course we have to consider the possibility that i'm a spritual pygmy. i'm content to leave it at that.
Not hardly. I base nothing on how anyone sees me, agrees or disagrees with me, etc. It means nothing. To do that means that I value their judgment over my own judgment. I have no "agenda" and look for no converts. Anyone that disagrees has that right. But if you have objections, since those that aren't interested wouldn't even bother replying, doesn't it make sense to find out if those objections are valid, since you are probably bothered by this topic enough to argue with, and accuse, people that have no beef with you. What you failed to realize is that the questions you asked that you think are valid and disprove reincarnation are answered rather plainly at the source, the books, and the testimony of his clients. It is his clients that you object to. -------------------------------------------------------- so far as i can tell, i havent disproved anything... and newton, you or Pinguinite havent proved anything, either. so it's the same old mexican standoff that you always wind up with, in these religious arguments... i should know better than to chime in, but boredom got the best of me. i am surprised, though, that two of the supposedly most rational posters fell in love with this newton guy in a matter of hours... ...and by your descriptions of his books, it looks to me that newton's theory would be useful to people who wanted an excuse to kill billions of people... "yeah, we nuked a billion people, but it's their fault cause they chose that life."
To each, his own, Lag. So because a supposed fact of life could be construed many ways includes some that are bad, the fact itself must be untrue. That's not logic I can subscribe to.
i didnt say it was untrue... maybe this guy discoverd a big secret, but he's got to provide more proof than interviews with hypnosis victims... i mean, you gotta be a little loosely wrapped to submit to hypnosis in the first place, dont you? ...and i got to admit that newton's theory is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to excuses to kill billions of people ...all we got to do is scale up the mayhem a little... the same old excuses should work just fine.
I don't recall ever claiming that I proved anything. None of this is "proof". You will never get any satisfactory proof, of this or any other concept of life after death. Not in life, anyway. But I'm done with this. It will be the first thread I started that I put on ignore. It ran it's course long ago anyway. -------------------------------------------------------- Newton doesn't have to provide proof of anything. All he's done is report what his clients have told him while under, and he certainly didn't have to do even that. Now you admitted that you inquired of us because you were bored. If you were bored and not curious, then you should have found something more interesting to do, because I'm only interested in talking to people who are curious.
my point being, some things have no proof... you guys are looking for answers, and it looks to me like you're grasping at straws in an effort to come up with answers. maybe sometimes there arent any answers... nothing wrong with that. meanwhile, given the evident impotency of reincarnation when it comes to preserving our life support system, and the utter destructiveness of the abrahamic monotheism, it seems like we'd be looking for answers that took care of the earth. the kicker seems to be: once you're in the meat pipeline, you'll be reincarnated whether you believe in reincarnation or not, assuming for the sake of argument that reincarnation is the real deal.
What you actually saying, putting your comment in the context of your argument, is that some things have no physical or material proof. That is an entirely different category. Because something does not have direct proof in the physical universe of matter, energy, space, and time does not disprove its existence. A single thought by an individual has no such proof and yet it is one of the most real factors of existence. Beauty has no objective measure and yet each of us holds a standard of beauty which is not physical in form. The fundamental problem with materialism as a philosophy is that is false and is easily proven so. In fact the simple consideration of it as a concept disproves it. What your argument boils down to, in essence, is, "I have made a volitional choice based upon my personal beliefs to reject this as a possibility". That also has no material existence. The question, as to past lives, really boils down to, "What is this creature we call 'man'?" Is "man" purely a sack of meat controlled by chemical interactions, or is "man" more than that. Was Bergson correct when he postulated the undefined but observable reality that "man" is imbued with life and is sentient. That is that "man" contains within some factor which Bergson dubbed "Le Force Vitale" or "Life Force"? Does "man" have a soul or is "man" a soul that has a body? Good luck with your theory.
"It's based on love and self-control..."
#150. To: All (#147)
#151. To: Liberator (#117)
I say POSSESSION. DECEPTION.
NOTHING compares to the Christian tenets and documentation, Christ's miracles, His character witnesses, His Sermon in the Mount, his End Game in MORE detail than the Plan of the God of Abraham and the Redeemer of sin, and the His Kingdom
Don't believe it, fine. Faith, an open mind, spiritual manna, and final destination of your soul is your responsibility - no one elses.
So your claiming science and the testimony manipulating a bunch of spiritual guinea pigs exposing their respective conscious to hypnotic trances and demon manipulation means THE SECRET IS EXPOSED!! NO DEATH! NO HELL! KARMA! NO HEAVEN!
I have witnessed personally forces and assaults.
#152. To: Liberator (#129)
I supposed God will take into account every heart, every will, and every circumstance and situation on an individual basis. He created ALL of us for a reason. Whereever we are, whatever we do. Some of us are far more fortunate then others. Above all things, He is most merciful. We have all "failed" at being "good" - still He welcomes us to Him after everything is said and done.
#153. To: FormerLurker (#131)
With the virtually infinite number of stars in this universe that have planets revolving around them, it is extremely closed minded and irrational to think THIS planet is the only planet that has intelligent life.
#154. To: Brian D (#132)
#155. To: lead.and.lag (#134)
is everybody reincarnated, does everyone have previous lives?
does everybody have multiple previous lives?
given the population of the earth now, are there enough souls to go around? ...if seven billion people existing today are multiple reincarnates, that must mean some people are duplicates of each other.
#156. To: PSUSA2, lead.and.lag (#139)
All I can tell you is what the books say that the clients told him.
#157. To: Pinguinite (#155)
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Souls are born on a continuing basis
#158. To: lead.and.lag (#157)
are unreincarnated souls superior to souls that are not reicarnations?
and why are you inclined to believe hypnotists who have no more evidence than, say, christians, muslims, or jews do?
and what's the difference, anyhow, seeing as how the hindus in india, who believe in reincarnation, seem to be in as bad a mess as the rest of us?
#159. To: Pinguinite (#158)
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#160. To: Pinguinite (#158)
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#161. To: James Deffenbach (#137)
There is no such thing as "just a dog, just a cat, or just a bird" to someone who loves their pets.
#162. To: Pinguinite (#156)
I guess I felt differently!
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#163. To: lead.and.lag (#159)
newton's "collective testimony" cuts about as much ice as testimony from chemtrail fans, or people who've been abducted by aliens, or people who suffer from morgellons disease... there are apparently millions of those kinds of people.
we choose our lives? ...if, by the time we've been incarnated, we cant remember making that choice, what's the difference? ...we're stuck, no matter what, arent we?
and one more question: will everyone living now return to the soul pool for recycling, or what?
because the implications of that are kinda unsettling... for instance, if everybody goes back in the pool, and if we dont discover a replacement for fossil fuels, there's gonna be a a dieoff... billions of lost souls, wandering the cosmos, crying, "where's my body? ...where's my body?"
#164. To: lead.and.lag (#160)
it just looks like another scheme to control people by appealing to their fear of death.
but reincarnation has a kind of interesting wrinkle... you gotta behave yourself or you'll come back as a toilet scrubber at texas stadium, or maybe a ship breaker in india.
i gotta say, if karma is any guide, most reincarnated americans will wind up making a living by dumpster diving.
anyhow, it's always the same old thing... if you find a story that appeals to you, go for it, stick with it... somebody, somewhere, might even turn out to be right, which would improve humanity's chances of survival.
meahwhile, my personal solution is to believe that there are things we cant know and cant understand, and i seem to be content with that.
#165. To: PSUSA2 (#162)
But if it was because I didn't want to answer the questions, it's because if one is curious enough to ask the questions then they can go to the source for themselves to get the answers. Spoonfeeding answers is always counterproductive. Why do all that work for someone that will probably do nothing with it? If they can't be bothered to get their own answers, then I see no reason to expend any effort for them.
Also my answers might be a little inaccurate which leads to misunderstandings / errors, which always seem to multiply.
#166. To: HOUNDDAWG (#161)
#167. To: Pinguinite (#164)
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If your goal is to find a model of life that makes everything super easy, you can do so, I'm sure
if it's an accurate picture of reality, then what it looks like is immaterial. It's not meant to look like anything other than what it is.
#168. To: Pinguinite (#164)
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#169. To: lead.and.lag, Liberator, PSUSA2 (#167)
If your goal is to find a model of life that makes everything super easy, you can do so, I'm sure
that kinda violates karmic laws, doesnt it?
...and how then would americans be punished for their piggishness if they choose to come back as, say, emperor of china?...assuming for the sake of argument that in an infinite number of universes, worlds and lives to choose from, there'd be an infinite number of openings for emperor of china?
IF... are you saying you're convinced?
#170. To: lead.and.lag (#168)
i hate to keep asking these dumb questions, but maybe it's my crumby karma... so here goes... some things that need clarification...
is it safe to assume that people on earth now who are starving to death, or are being bombed with white phosphorous or napalm, or blown to bits by cluster bombs or drones.... all those people must be new souls that havent been reincarnated...
...because nobody in their right mind, in the choosing stage of reincarnation, would choose to starve or die of horrible wounds, would they?
and i guess, given the fact that almost all the people starving and being blown to bits are colored, then whatever force is spawning these new souls is putting them into colored bodies.
why is that, do you suppose?
#171. To: Pinguinite (#169)
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"It fits". For me, this portrayal of things makes everything else fall into place. Things I've seen and experienced in my life, things I've been puzzled about for a very long time, and things I feel in my heart. Everything. It fits. So while others may not see this as a big deal, I do.
#172. To: lead.and.lag (#171)
it would fit for me, too, if i was a racial supremacist that figured i could get away with murdering millions or billions of people, and needed some kind of "spiritual" mumbo-jumbo to justify my actions.
#173. To: Pinguinite (#172)
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I have no idea why you'd think this
#174. To: Pinguinite (#172)
#175. To: Pinguinite (#172)
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#176. To: Pinguinite (#169)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#177. To: lead.and.lag (#174)
you also say that the new souls --the ones yet to be incarnated-- are inferior to the reincarnated souls, and you also say that they have no choice of lives to be incarnated into.
#178. To: lead.and.lag (#175)
i spose if i strangled my neighbor in his sleep, i'd be innocent, because it was, after all, his fault... he chose to live and die like that.
doesnt work... and if you guys are unable to explain this stuff, then that's your fault... you must have chosen that disability when the incarnations were being passed out.
#179. To: PSUSA2 (#176)
This is going nowhere, imo.
#180. To: PSUSA2 (#176)
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This is going nowhere, imo
#181. To: lead.and.lag (#180)
it's going somewhere you dont want it to go, that''s all...
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#182. To: PSUSA2 (#181)
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the questions you asked that you think are valid and disprove reincarnation are answered rather plainly at the source, the books...
#183. To: lead.and.lag (#182)
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so it's the same old mexican standoff that you always wind up with, in these religious arguments... i should know better than to chime in, but boredom got the best of me.
i am surprised, though, that two of the supposedly most rational posters fell in love with this newton guy in a matter of hours...
...and by your descriptions of his books, it looks to me that newton's theory would be useful to people who wanted an excuse to kill billions of people...
#184. To: Pinguinite (#183)
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So because a supposed fact of life could be construed many ways includes some that are bad, the fact itself must be untrue.
#185. To: lead.and.lag (#182)
so far as i can tell, i havent disproved anything... and newton, you or Pinguinite havent proved anything, either.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#186. To: lead.and.lag (#184)
i didnt say it was untrue... maybe this guy discoverd a big secret, but he's got to provide more proof than interviews with hypnosis victims...
#187. To: Pinguinite (#186)
#188. To: lead.and.lag, Pinguinite (#187)
my point being, some things have no proof...
#189. To: Pinguinite (#66)
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