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Title: For those interested in reincarnation and what happens between lives
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Published: Dec 21, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-12-21 12:19:02 by PSUSA2
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Here are a couple of books written by a regression hypnotist that stumbled onto this topic. It goes well beyond the standard past life regressions.

If you want to know why people are the way they are, and why life is so difficult, and what happens after death, this is a possible answer that goes well beyond the "you must have FAITH, my child!" nonsense.

To me, this has the "ring of truth", based on what I already see and know, but your mileage may vary.


www.filedino.com/gx2izwm2nvp0

This remarkable book uncovers--for the first time--the mystery of life in the spirit world after death on earth. Dr. Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist in private practice, has developed his own hypnosis technique to reach his subjects' hidden memories of the hereafter. The resulting narrative acts as a progressive "travel log" of the accounts of twenty-nine people who were placed in a state of superconsciousness. While in deep hypnosis, these subjects movingly describe what has happened to them between their former reincarnations on earth. They reveal graphic details about how it feels to die, who meets us right after death, what the spirit world is really like, where we go and what we do as souls, and why we choose to come back in certain bodies.

www.megaupload.com/?d=VXXOFIL1

Michael Newton is one of a handful of published researchers who is adding to our knowledge of life between lives through the use of hypnosis. In coming decades, this kind of research should build and expand until we have a detailed understanding of life on the higher dimensions.

In this book he continues his years of investigations, taking us further into an understanding of the soul's journey in and out of incarnation. Some topics covered in this book are (1) The various ways recently deceased souls try to make contact with those left behind, (2) How our spiritual energy is restored after a difficult incarnation or traumatic death, (3) How our between-life vocations can manifest in our earthly careers, (4) More on colors as indications of levels of attainment, (5) Spiritual names, (6) Much more on our soul groups, and how we interact between and during incarnations, (7) The "Council of Elders", a review panel of higher beings who help us gain insight on our lives just after we complete one, and just before we begin a new one, (8)How souls are "born" from higher levels into the level we spend time in between lives, (9) Extensive case studies of the "library" of past lives which souls study in between lifetimes. With Newton's work and those of similar investigators we are finally gaining an understanding of life in higher dimensions based on research and first-hand reports, rather than speculation and belief. Other than Newton's work, two other good books along this line are out of print, but generally not hard to find. One is LIFE BETWEEN LIVES (1986) by Whitton and Fisher. That book also follows the case-study approach. A second book is EXPLORING REINCARNATION (1987) by Hans Tendam. This book is a rigorous summary of the whole subject of past lives, life between lives, and the reliability of hypnosis as a tool of investigation. It's not a light read, but is the most in depth and thorough book on the subject to date, and essential reading for anyone who wishes to become well informed about it.

If you want them, I suggest reading them in order. The 2nd book builds on the first book.

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#58. To: PSUSA2, octavia, Original_Intent, Pinguinite, farmfriend, purplerose, Armadillo, abraxas, FormerLurker, lead.and.lag, 2dollarbill (#0)

"Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I shall return there." (Job 1:21)

I've long thought that the concept of the Resurrection was a re-marketing of the idea of the soul traversing Creation in different forms. The fine line difference between the two ideas sits on taking responsibility for the existence of one's very soul.

In the rebranded version, since Jesus died and rose for us, it's easier to absolve one's self of responsibility for misdeeds and shortcomings. If I take the idea that I'll be back in some form or another as a serious one, it makes me watch my p's and q's a lot more. Even if it's not true, my life and the life of those around me will be better anyway.

Great thread. All this talk of love and mercy is highly inappropriate for Christmas, though. : )

bluegrass  posted on  2011-12-24   13:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: PSUSA2 (#54)

and I have been looking for answers for decades now without ever hearing of this man, I bet there is more out there that I haven't found yet. Why did it take so long? Hell if I know.

You and me both. As for why it took so long, the answer would seemingly be because you weren't supposed to find out any sooner than you did.

Thanks for starting this thread. Finished the first book. A few of the hypnotic interviews are kindof funny, which I never would have expected.

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-12-24   14:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Pinguinite (#59) (Edited)

. As for why it took so long, the answer would seemingly be because you weren't supposed to find out any sooner than you did.

Agreed, but that is sure to make me angry, at first. Then I'll eventually laugh about it, because it fits. Humor helps, even if it's at my expense. And, since I see this as being probably true because it already matches what I see, at least I found out about it. But I have to say "probably true", since I thought that about some other things in the past that I don't see as being true anymore.

I read that book about as quickly as you did. It was hard to put down.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-12-24   14:37:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: PSUSA2 (#60)

Finished the second book just now.

What I really like is just how everything I've ever experienced, witnessed or considered, whereas it previously just created a lot of confusion, now with this information all falls into place and there is now agreement between all. Some things I've privately *thought* must be true but which I could not explain how, are explained well with Newton's information, so that makes me feel real good. Newton also shows me where I was assuming things which, according to his reports, are not so.

Thanks again for posting this thread. Like you, this is something I've been looking for for quite a while.

Cheers...

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-12-30   18:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: PSUSA2 (#0)

Reincarnation? LOLOLOLOL!

Do you have any straws left to pull out of your ass?

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2011-12-30   18:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Pinguinite (#61)

You're welcome. And like you, there were things I thought were true but could not really prove any of it; like choosing to come here, to learn and not be coddled, etc.

The 2nd book had a lot about colors, which I personally found boring, but it also fleshed out the info in the first book too.

So, it looks like I have no real reason to complain about things. It looks like we volunteered for this. That sure does generates some "mixed feelings".

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-12-30   19:00:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Cornhuskerkid (#62) (Edited)

Do you have any straws left to pull out of your ass?

I never heard it phrased that way before. It must be a Jersey... I mean a Nebraska thing.

Boring state, nebraska. The only thing to do is count how many times one crosses the Platte "river".

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-12-30   19:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: PSUSA2 (#63)

The 2nd book had a lot about colors, which I personally found boring, but it also fleshed out the info in the first book too.

There was certainly a lot there and I'd benefit from a second reading of both books sometime, but I'll have to return to more mundane duties for the moment. Yes more details are in book two. He goes into the one issue which is still a perplexing about causality. Our futures seem largely set in advance, and yet our actions obviously impact other players and we still have free will. Those 3 things don't seem to mix too well to me. Newton gives his best answer on that but in the end he's speculating as much as we would be.

So, it looks like I have no real reason to complain about things. It looks like we volunteered for this. That sure does generates some "mixed feelings".

Yes, Newton does paint a picture where no one can ever rightly complain about anything that happens to them. I say he "paints" a picture but of course it's simply based on what his clients tell him. Seriously makes me consider changing careers into hypnotherapy. Not too much unlike computer work. Both analytical problem solving and "programming". Or "deprogramming" in this case.

I dug around a bit more and there is an institute with Newton's name on it with contacts for such trained people in, it seems, most English speaking countries, at least.

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-12-30   19:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Cornhuskerkid (#62)

Reincarnation? LOLOLOLOL!

If you can debunk it, you would have my hearty congrats.

But I don't think you can. You're welcome to try.

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-12-30   20:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Pinguinite (#3)

If this is true, the ramifications are of course absolutely enormous and blow away the relevancy of so very much of what we think is important in the day to day lives we all get caught up in. Are we inherently immortal, or perhaps connected to or a very part of the universe itself, with our fate tied to it? Are souls immortal or is it possible they/we can still be destroyed? If/when the universe burns out 100 billion years from now, do we go with it or are we more than even that? Do we have a power that is associated with our beings which enable us to actually shape what happens to us?

intriguing questions. i find this topic fascinating too. i have no cognizance of past lives, but i have had friends who have and like the child you cited, they had vivid recollections.

christine  posted on  2011-12-30   20:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Pinguinite (#13)

Parents will invent explanations for kids that are too young to understand the complexities of life, and these kids grow up holding these ideas as sound doctrine, and then religion is born.

like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? it has always perplexed me how parents, especially Christian parents tell their children these myths. it's incongruous with truth and having one's word be trustworthy. besides, i never wanted Santa to get credit for the gifts i lovingly chose for my son!

christine  posted on  2011-12-30   21:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: octavia, Original_Intent (#18)

awwwww....i love these stories.

christine  posted on  2011-12-30   21:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Pinguinite (#29)

And then I wonder why the Bible should be accepted as the "Word of God". Some Christians believe the Bible is the "Word of God" because the Bible says it's the "Word of God", but obviously, self-certified authorship isn't valid.

i can so relate to that. who made the decisions on which books were canonized? mortal men, that's who, some of which had political and self-serving motivations.

christine  posted on  2011-12-30   21:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: christine (#68) (Edited)

It's funny you should mention the fables and stories we are told as we grow in this life.

I just had a conversation with a friend about a certain liberal proffesor that I have done work for the last several years. This proffesor (Tom) is very politically active and fancies himself a very aware person. I laugh cause I sum it up this way:

When you are two years old or so, you think that covering your eyes makes it so others can't see you, but you grow out of it....

When you are four you still believe in Santa Claus, but when you get older you grow out of it....

When you are in early teens (and sometimes much older) you think wrestling is real, but most of us grow out of it....

Since you were old enough to watch TV you thought the news was real, but at a certain level of maturity a small minority of us grow out of it....

There are many paradigms that we fall prey to but if we have the "eyes to see" and the desire, we become dis-alusioned, but not poor Tom (the proffesor) he still thinks CNN brings him the truth.

It really is sad how many people still believe in wrestling.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)

intotheabyss  posted on  2011-12-30   21:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: christine (#67)

i have no cognizance of past lives, but i have had friends who have and like the child you cited, they had vivid recollections.

You may wish to read at least the first book PSUSA linked to above. He's got excerpts of his interviews with clients while under hypnosis. And it's like, "what the....??" The second book has more detail and goes into even more areas such as the nature of life creation and life on other planets, but you get diminishing returns of info with it over just the first book.

According to Newton, the amnesia we have in this life is somewhat by design and grows is strength up until about 5 years old, at which point we are totally distracted by this world, usually. Very shortly after death, once in the spirit world, we then remember everything, including past lives and our several soulmates with whom we regularly go though lives.

One of the intriguing things I infer from Newton is that the complexity of our souls is at least on par with the complexity of our physical bodies and brains and probably far, far more so. (That's my inference... Newton never says that explicitly). But souls are not simply a consciousness or perspective, contrary to what I'd always assumed. I never would have dreamed that could be the case, but it's one of the numerous things from his portrayal of the universe that makes my personal giant jigsaw puzzle fit together nicely.

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-12-30   21:48:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Pinguinite (#72)

monroeinstitute.org has been researching and mapping these territories for decades.

robert monroes trilogy, starting with journeys out of the body, and their home courses and courses held at the institute in Va, gateway experience, are all about that.

“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,

gengis gandhi  posted on  2011-12-30   22:22:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Pinguinite (#66)

Have you lost your fucking mind?

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2011-12-30   22:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: All (#74)

Never mind.

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2011-12-30   22:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: PSUSA2 (#64)

Yes, but a 'guy' like 'you' would NEVER run out of new steer to queer, would you?

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2011-12-30   22:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: christine (#68)

like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

Exactly, except that it's stories about why it's not raining this year and there's less food, not a story about how these mysterious toys and eggs got dumped at the house!

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-12-30   22:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: gengis gandhi (#73)

monroeinstitute.org has been researching and mapping these territories for decades.

robert monroes trilogy, starting with journeys out of the body, and their home courses and courses held at the institute in Va, gateway experience, are all about that.

Here's the one associated with Michael Newton: www.newtoninstitute.org/

Pinguinite  posted on  2011-12-30   23:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Pinguinite (#78)

monroe actually has patented sound frequency technology called hemi-sync.

very interesting.

hemi-sync.com

“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,

gengis gandhi  posted on  2011-12-31   0:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Pinguinite, Original_Intent, christine, Jethro tull, James Deffenbach, turdle, farmfriend (#15)

If people have souls that are reincarnated, and evolution is how life changes on earth, then it's very logical to conclude that animals could/should have souls as well. In fact since the difference between animals and lower life forms including plants is rather subjective or abstract, then it could be argued that all life forms could have souls tied to them.

As I said the ramifications are pretty huge. I'm still having chicken for dinner tonight though.

In the film AVATAR the Na'vi had a ritual they performed when they harvested a critter for victuals. The animal's soul went to be with Eywa, the guiding force and deity of Pandora and the Na'vi.

I hope this is true because I'd be heartbroken if I won't ever see my beloved Budgies Wheetie and Marty, or my cat Ootie again.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-12-31   2:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: intotheabyss (#71)

It's funny you should mention the fables and stories we are told as we grow in this life.

I just had a conversation with a friend about a certain liberal proffesor that I have done work for the last several years. This proffesor (Tom) is very politically active and fancies himself a very aware person. I laugh cause I sum it up this way:

When you are two years old or so, you think that covering your eyes makes it so others can't see you, but you grow out of it....

When you are four you still believe in Santa Claus, but when you get older you grow out of it....

When you are in early teens (and sometimes much older) you think wrestling is real, but most of us grow out of it....

Since you were old enough to watch TV you thought the news was real, but at a certain level of maturity a small minority of us grow out of it....

There are many paradigms that we fall prey to but if we have the "eyes to see" and the desire, we become dis-alusioned, but not poor Tom (the proffesor) he still thinks CNN brings him the truth.

HA!

Good post.

And then there are still those who believe the "official 9/11 report," or the "I wuz hacked!" CT.

8^D

Liberator  posted on  2011-12-31   10:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: PSUSA2 (#0) (Edited)

Dr. Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist in private practice, has developed his own hypnosis technique to reach his subjects' hidden memories of the hereafter. The resulting narrative acts as a progressive "travel log" of the accounts of twenty-nine people who were placed in a state of superconsciousness.

"Travel log"? Having met long lost relatives? Even those who could have ONLY remembered intimate details?

Two words:

DEMON POSSESSION. Make that four words: Add INCARNATE SPIRITS.

Dr. Michael Newton is being used. JMHO. Hypnotism is dangerous; Those who allow it voluntarily surrender their spirit's "fire wall", making it susceptible to deceptive, intrusion, manipulation, and possession - temporarily or permanently.

It is the same mental phenomena that allows the psyche to "see" and "meet" ETs, UFOs, or incarnate spirits and ghosts.

Interesting subject.

Liberator  posted on  2011-12-31   10:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: abraxas (#48)

Where is the womb of the soul?

In the twinkle of God's eye.

Liberator  posted on  2011-12-31   10:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Liberator (#82)

If you say it is your opinion that he is being used, that's all well and good.

But when you say "Those who allow it voluntarily surrender their spirit's "fire wall", making it susceptible to deceptive, untrusion (sic), manipulation, and possession - temporarily or permanently. ", then you have some explaining to do.

Prove that there is surrender of ones "fire wall" under hypnosis, and the dire consequences that you list.

And one does not need psychic powerz to see UFOs because they are physical objects. I know that first hand. And ghosts too seem to be physical phenomena that can be picked up via various instruments.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-12-31   10:46:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: purplerose (#50)

A late friend of mine who did scientific developmental research for the U.S. government, found telepathy communication to be of interest and even suggested trying it on me. He said that some things unspoken of, were better yet told by (telepathic) natural communication.

There is such phenomena that truly exists...Research, "Remote Viewing" which has been the subject of both Soviet and American military scientists.

This kind of communication (or telepathy) is used in "divining" water and oil locations around the world - even from thousands of miles away. Or divining the location of "secret" locations of dead bodies....or others that have military applications.

Whose power does it tap? Man's? Or other metaphysical entities? That leaves either God OR Satan (demonic).

Liberator  posted on  2011-12-31   10:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: bluegrass (#58)

Great thread.

agree. i'm finding it intriquing.

christine  posted on  2011-12-31   10:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: PSUSA2 (#84) (Edited)

"Those who allow it voluntarily surrender their spirit's "fire wall", making it susceptible to deceptive, untrusion (sic), manipulation, and possession - temporarily or permanently. ", then you have some explaining to do.

Prove that there is surrender of ones "fire wall" under hypnosis, and the dire consequences that you list.

The human psyche has several layers of a "fire wall."

A simple example of the wall coming down would be upon imbibing alcohol. Deeper intrusion and hijacking is facilitated by hypnosis where manipulation can be insidious as your will is surrendered to whichever force is allowed to fill the void.

Arguably, the victims of this are facilitated by certain drugs, shamans, seers, fortune tellers, occultists, mystics, satanists, and other psychic techniques. Some result in spiritual brainwashing or level of spiritual possession.

Liberator  posted on  2011-12-31   10:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: PSUSA2 (#84) (Edited)

One does not need psychic powerz to see UFOs because they are physical objects. I know that first hand. And ghosts too seem to be physical phenomena that can be picked up via various instruments.

I know people who've sworn they've also "seen" UFOs and "ghosts". I believe them. They've also "seen" Mary; Seen pictures MOVE. Of Mary. (Multiple witnesses in that case.) HEARD Mary speak. I'd been given transcript. NO "Mary" would have uttered the words attributed to her.

So what has been seen and heard? Or manipulated by the spirit world?

Demons work in this world only to deceive man into believing in his own deity or the "lie" of one mortal life as they provide afterlife options to the one and only God and His Law. IMO.

Liberator  posted on  2011-12-31   11:05:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Liberator (#87)

A simple example of the wall coming down would be upon imbibing alcohol.

Apples and oranges. Alcohol and drugs impair brain function.

Ones will is not surrendered in hypnosis. The conscious mind is still active.

Arguably, the victims of this are facilitated by certain drugs, shamans, occultists, mystics, satanists, and other psychic techniques. Some result in spiritual brainwashing.

Spiritual brainwashing? There is no such thing. Brainwashing works with the physical brain, not the spirit. Brainwashing techniques involve sensory / sleep deprivation, yelling and screaming, physical abuse, etc. None of that happens in a hypnosis session.

But I am not an expert on hypnosis so I am not qualified to discuss that too much. I know much more about religion, especially christianity, having swum in that cesspool for 40+ years. Now that is brainwashing, because it fucks with a persons mind, and it's hard to beat permanently.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-12-31   11:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Pinguinite, all (#3)

This subject has intrigued me since reading about that "soul surviver" kid who at some 9 years old allegedly recalls incredible detail of his life until he was shot down and killed during WWII, even remembering faces of shipmates well enough to recognize and name them at navy reunions 60 years after the fact.

These days with the internet it makes it very possible to test the validity of alleged memories.

Funny, but even my own brother claims HE was a WWII vet who died on the beach at Iwo Jima. FWIW, he's not "religious".

If those of us concede that there's a metaphysical world that exists beyond tHIS physical world, why isn't demon possession possible? Why isn't the brain just a tool that's manipulated to accept false memory and mental/physical mirages in the sky (like UFO and Marian apparitions)? Like ghosts of Aunt Martha?

That said, when a demon possesses the "memory" of a subject (such as events, people, places and things), such tests are invalid.

Satan needs to convince man that death is NOT final. Memories of a "past" accomplish that. VIOLA! "Reincarnation" is SOLD.

Liberator  posted on  2011-12-31   11:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: PSUSA2 (#89)

Apples and oranges. Alcohol and drugs impair brain function.

Sure. And so do drugs (i.e., LSD, 'shrooms, and even pot to a degree. "Reality" is altered in all the above cases. We've all heard Flip Wilson's "The devil made me do it!" He's made us do a lotta things while brain-impaired and the door to the spirit is ajar.

Ones will is not surrendered in hypnosis. The conscious mind is still active.

Is that why some subjects bark like dogs and and scratch like chickens in demonstrations?

Will IS surrendered. That is why some people can NOT be hypnotized. Some measure of the will resists certain commands, obviously, but hypnosis is very dangerous because other-worldly entities can enter the subject's psyche during the procedure.

I am not an expert on hypnosis so I am not qualified to discuss that too much. I know much more about religion, especially christianity, having swum in that cesspool for 40+ years. Now that is brainwashing, because it fucks with a persons mind, and it's hard to beat permanently.

I reckon the "mind-f**ker" is in the eye or spirit of the beholder.

All who call themselves "Christians" are obviously NOT. But to broadbrush Christianity as a "cesspool" that "f***s with a person's mind" means you've been deceived by the wrong "Christians," OR you've just totally surrendered your soul in the aftermath. Satan's victory is those who give up on Jesus and his Gospel.

Jesus isn't a "religion."

Spiritual brainwashing? There is no such thing. Brainwashing works with the physical brain, not the spirit.

We see this in politics. We see it in cults. The brain is a processor, and yes, the spirit dwells outside the brain. But the physical may still affect the spirit.

Brainwashing techniques involve sensory / sleep deprivation, yelling and screaming, physical abuse, etc. None of that happens in a hypnosis session.

Now that's "apples and oranges".

Liberator  posted on  2011-12-31   11:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Liberator (#91)

All who call themselves "Christians" are obviously NOT. But to broadbrush Christianity as a "cesspool" that "f***s with a person's mind" means you've been deceived by the wrong "Christians," OR you've just totally surrendered your soul in the aftermath.

Nope. I just read the "good book" for myself. Instead of listening to people say things like "God is love" and "God knows all", etc, I decided to read it for myself. But it didnt sink in immediately because some things remained all too easy to gloss over because it went directly against a lifetime of programming (like the tremendous amount of death and destruction that is everywhere in that "good book"). It took time. Now I know better. Your so-called "true christianity" and the bible are not compatible.

I know why you are doing this. It's because you believe you are doing the right thing. I bet you think that I am leading people straight into the pit of "hell". But even those that claim to believe in this "hell", really don't, because to believe this is to know that there are loved ones that will end up there, and this would literally drive a nice and decent person insane. Plus, I dont have the power to lead anyone anywhere.

If you think reincarnation and hypnosis is BS and "evil", that is your right.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2011-12-31   12:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: christine (#67)

I found this concerning this subject which once again I will put forth, it is a concept almost as old as the written word in human history. It comes from this site here which is an interesting read for anyone interested in the spiritual side of this subject. reluctant-messenger.com/dance-of-shiva.htm

Cosmic Dance of Shiva

God and his creation are One. Yet God hides himself from his creation to give himself the joy of discovering God. God is both Creator and the Created. This is also known as the Wisdom of Balance. The Uncreated God and The Created God are One, yet the creation is attached to the grand illusion of separateness. Whenever God's creation discovers God, God discovers himself all over again. God delights in the dance of hiding and discovering his glory. The Cosmic Dance of Shiva.

Your life is your part in this awesome Cosmic Dance. Your birth begins with your God Consciousness hid from you. If you have not discovered your unlimited potential in this life you will die, and your soul will go to the unseen state awaiting its chance for another birth. This is the gem of knowledge known as Reincarnation.

2dollarbill  posted on  2011-12-31   12:48:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Liberator (#91)

Dr. Newton addresses much of this in the videos posted above. Watch in particular #2. I'd like to hear your impression. I realize though that all is simply a matter of faith and belief.

christine  posted on  2011-12-31   13:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Liberator (#90)

Satan needs to convince man that death is NOT final. Memories of a "past" accomplish that. VIOLA! "Reincarnation" is SOLD.

So you don't believe that there is an afterlife, or that the soul is immortal?

Are you saying that the bible is the word of satan?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-12-31   13:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: christine, Pinguinite (#70)

And then I wonder why the Bible should be accepted as the "Word of God". Some Christians believe the Bible is the "Word of God" because the Bible says it's the "Word of God", but obviously, self-certified authorship isn't valid.

i can so relate to that. who made the decisions on which books were canonized? mortal men, that's who, some of which had political and self-serving motivations.

I came to that realization back in my early teen years. A book is just a book.

God doesn't write books.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-12-31   13:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: PSUSA2 (#92)

Instead of listening to people say things like "God is love" and "God knows all", etc, I decided to read it for myself. But it didnt sink in immediately because some things remained all too easy to gloss over because it went directly against a lifetime of programming (like the tremendous amount of death and destruction that is everywhere in that "good book"). It took time. Now I know better.

You "know better" than whom?? "Dopey Holy Rollers"?? Bible scholars?? Simple people who understand the context of the Bible through both the Old and New Testament?

The Bible is not intended to be read as a novel. If you choose to dwell on context you don't understand or "the tremendous amount of death and destruction" in the Old Testament, then at least find a Pastor who can explain it to you. What have you to lose?

All one needs to to do is dwell upon is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, His promise of Everlasting Life, and His fulfillment of the prophecies. "Religion"? Not so much.

I bet you think that I am leading people straight into the pit of "hell".

Not at all.

I know why you are doing this. It's because you believe you are doing the right thing.

I'm commenting on this subject because I have personal and secondhand experience and knowledge in the subject of the metaphysical, metaphychic phenomena that transcends this physical world.

Hypnosis is real, dangerous, and can invoke contrived regressive "memory" OR hijack/misguide the human conscious and spirit. So can New Age and Eastern mysticism, LSD, Deepak Chopra, Paul Crouch, and Oprah.

But even those that claim to believe in this "hell", really don't, because to believe this is to know that there are loved ones that will end up there, and this would literally drive a nice and decent person insane.

In the end, we are all personally responsible for the destination of our own respective soul. This physical world is a real test and challenge - even for "Believers". In the Kingdom God has promised there will be NO memory of tears, pain, or of "reassigned" loved ones OR hated ones. Our task here is rejecting deception and focusing ourselves and others on The Truth.

If you think reincarnation and hypnosis is BS and "evil", that is your right.

It's not BS; But they aren't benign - and neither is fortune telling or those who claim "Mary" is speaking to her "children" in Medjorgoie. They are ALL spiritual deceptions.

Liberator  posted on  2011-12-31   13:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: christine (#94)

Dr. Newton addresses much of this in the videos posted above. Watch in particular #2. I'd like to hear your impression. I realize though that all is simply a matter of faith and belief.

Thanks. I'll check it out when I can...Gotta go in a few.

Liberator  posted on  2011-12-31   13:20:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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