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Title: For those interested in reincarnation and what happens between lives
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Post Date: 2011-12-21 12:19:02 by PSUSA2
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Here are a couple of books written by a regression hypnotist that stumbled onto this topic. It goes well beyond the standard past life regressions. If you want to know why people are the way they are, and why life is so difficult, and what happens after death, this is a possible answer that goes well beyond the "you must have FAITH, my child!" nonsense. To me, this has the "ring of truth", based on what I already see and know, but your mileage may vary. This remarkable book uncovers--for the first time--the mystery of life in the spirit world after death on earth. Dr. Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist in private practice, has developed his own hypnosis technique to reach his subjects' hidden memories of the hereafter. The resulting narrative acts as a progressive "travel log" of the accounts of twenty-nine people who were placed in a state of superconsciousness. While in deep hypnosis, these subjects movingly describe what has happened to them between their former reincarnations on earth. They reveal graphic details about how it feels to die, who meets us right after death, what the spirit world is really like, where we go and what we do as souls, and why we choose to come back in certain bodies. www.megaupload.com/?d=VXXOFIL1 Michael Newton is one of a handful of published researchers who is adding to our knowledge of life between lives through the use of hypnosis. In coming decades, this kind of research should build and expand until we have a detailed understanding of life on the higher dimensions. In this book he continues his years of investigations, taking us further into an understanding of the soul's journey in and out of incarnation. Some topics covered in this book are (1) The various ways recently deceased souls try to make contact with those left behind, (2) How our spiritual energy is restored after a difficult incarnation or traumatic death, (3) How our between-life vocations can manifest in our earthly careers, (4) More on colors as indications of levels of attainment, (5) Spiritual names, (6) Much more on our soul groups, and how we interact between and during incarnations, (7) The "Council of Elders", a review panel of higher beings who help us gain insight on our lives just after we complete one, and just before we begin a new one, (8)How souls are "born" from higher levels into the level we spend time in between lives, (9) Extensive case studies of the "library" of past lives which souls study in between lifetimes. With Newton's work and those of similar investigators we are finally gaining an understanding of life in higher dimensions based on research and first-hand reports, rather than speculation and belief. Other than Newton's work, two other good books along this line are out of print, but generally not hard to find. One is LIFE BETWEEN LIVES (1986) by Whitton and Fisher. That book also follows the case-study approach. A second book is EXPLORING REINCARNATION (1987) by Hans Tendam. This book is a rigorous summary of the whole subject of past lives, life between lives, and the reliability of hypnosis as a tool of investigation. It's not a light read, but is the most in depth and thorough book on the subject to date, and essential reading for anyone who wishes to become well informed about it. If you want them, I suggest reading them in order. The 2nd book builds on the first book.
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#1. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
Thank you for this posting. I have always lived with the awareness of my last incarnation, where I was born in Scotland and died on a sub during WW2. People always thought I was strange talking about my life as Alan, especially when I was a child and it was very clear to me. The issue is terribly important to me now and I have spent hours trying to ask the universe questions: Where is Neal now? Is his soul safe from evil? Does he remember me or did he forget me when he died, as we tend to forget past lives when born? Will I see him again or is our love gone forever? He has disappeared from my dreams, and I used to dream of him all the time when he was alive. He used to get in big trouble for making me mad in a dream. So yes, thank you, It would be nice to have an idea what happens after death and I could see that that is knowledge we have if we dig deeply enough into our consciousness.
You're welcome Where is Neal now? Is his soul safe from evil? Does he remember me or did he forget me when he died, as we tend to forget past lives when born? Will I see him again or is our love gone forever? He has disappeared from my dreams, and I used to dream of him all the time when he was alive. He used to get in big trouble for making me mad in a dream. These books will answer those questions, even the reasons for the amnesia. I can't guarantee the accuracy, of course, but like I said, to me it has the ring of truth to it. I read the first one and am reading the 2nd one now. I don't have the same level of detail that you have, but I always thought that I was a WW2 fighter pilot, probably in the Pacific, in my most recent past life. Whether I lived or died in the war or after, I don't know. -------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, PS. This subject has intrigued me since reading about that "soul surviver" kid who at some 9 years old allegedly recalls incredible detail of his life until he was shot down and killed during WWII, even remembering faces of shipmates well enough to recognize and name them at navy reunions 60 years after the fact. These days with the internet it makes it very possible to test the validity of alleged memories. If this is true, the ramifications are of course absolutely enormous and blow away the relevancy of so very much of what we think is important in the day to day lives we all get caught up in. Are we inherently immortal, or perhaps connected to or a very part of the universe itself, with our fate tied to it? Are souls immortal or is it possible they/we can still be destroyed? If/when the universe burns out 100 billion years from now, do we go with it or are we more than even that? Do we have a power that is associated with our beings which enable us to actually shape what happens to us? Thanks for the links and info.
when you consider the concept of being made in the image of God, the mind broadens. If we truly made in the image of God, then like God, we would exist outside of space/time, beyond the 10 dimensions of string theory or the 11 dimensions of M theory. Also, if we are made in his image, then all the associated abilities are ours as well. As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
This link is confusing. All the download stuff I click on just downloads RealPlayer. Do you have to pay? What do you do there?
The books case histories says we are immortal, and being destroyed is never an option, but some are reworked if they are too damaged. Love and mercy are not just concepts that have been totally trashed by religions to the point that they are meaningless. I normally don't post links to books like this, but for some reason I decided to do that. Or, maybe it was decided for me. lol -------------------------------------------------------- That's odd. Let me check it out. I'll upload it myself if I have to.
-------------------------------------------------------- depositfiles.com/files/52xh6cs21 Sorry about that. There were 2 links and I picked the wrong one. -------------------------------------------------------- I just took off and watched a 5 part series on Youtube by Dr. Newton. I found him sincere and believable, especially as he came to his calling reluctantly. I am helped by my awareness of previous lives, but these questions do profoundly affect you after the loss of a spouse/soulmate. I have also read some of the same info at other sources I have searched out recently. All in all, quite comforting.
I would use the word "potentials" instead of "abilities". Not to be nitpicky though ;) I may be a Satanist, but I never said there was no God. It's just not the jew tribal psycho 'god'. -------------------------------------------------------- The God is the same but the worship may be faulty. As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
Exactly. I have used variations on that same argument much to the consternation of some very narrow minded people - mainly so-called Christians. Philosophically you can find many of same PHILOSOPHIC premises in all major religions. That man is not an animal but IS a spiritual being independent of the body inhabited for one lifetime. That concept scares the PTB on several levels People who are aware that the death of their body is not a personal death are not as easy to control. People who cease to have a pathological fear of death as a personal and permanent demise have a greater willingness to expend that body for that most ephemeral and yet most valuable of all goods - freedom. Religious leaders fear it because they place themselves in the position of controlling individual spiritual existence and use it as a means of control i.e., "If you don't do what I say God won't love you anymore and then you'll die forever." The following simple syllogism will drive most materialistic Western Christians to a near rage as it conflicts deeply with their attitudes and forces them to think and examine those beliefs: God created man in his own image. Well, if our souls do detach and reattach to bodies over time, how does Christianity -- and for that matter all other religions, major and minor -- fit into the big picture? All versions of Christianity reject the idea of reincarnation, and in fact it pretty much completely turns it on its head. I mean, it just doesn't work any more, does it? Just as legends and myths are usually based on factual instances of history, perhaps Christianity, along with other religions have a lot of truth to them, such as the "made in the image of God" idea, and having faith to see you through hard times, and for miraculous healing, and loving your neighbor as yourself, forgiving your enemies, all of which may well have very real spiritual benefits at the soul level. And yet much of the padded doctrine that's layered on top of it may only be a fabrication to satisfy the minds that ask questions and demand answers in spite of having a vacuum of information. Parents will invent explanations for kids that are too young to understand the complexities of life, and these kids grow up holding these ideas as sound doctrine, and then religion is born. Maybe?
I believe animals have souls too. I have some cats and dogs on the other side I really want to see again. Besides, the cat grabbing me right now and making me kiss her has a very great soul on board.
If people have souls that are reincarnated, and evolution is how life changes on earth, then it's very logical to conclude that animals could/should have souls as well. In fact since the difference between animals and lower life forms including plants is rather subjective or abstract, then it could be argued that all life forms could have souls tied to them. As I said the ramifications are pretty huge. I'm still having chicken for dinner tonight though.
This one worked. Thanks.
I have had pets that passed on come back and visit. I don't really see them but I am enough of a sensitive to be aware of their presence. Like my sister's cat Dusty who had a favorite spot under the tree in the backyard. After his poor body gave out he hung out for a while just sitting in his old spot. As well my old friends Thomas Felinus, Tom, still comes back to visit every now and then as well as my lovely little Tiadorable. I am never alone and they are still my friends. Tia has moved on but I think Tom is still hanging out. I used to feel a ghost cat walk across me at night from time to time when I first moved here, not one of mine, but have not noticed it in a while. The golden tabby center of my heart, Frodo the Magnificat, passed on March 20, 2007 and I still feel him. I believe he was a tiger in a previous incarnation, as his soul was great too.
Our furry friends never leave our heart. Each and every one is special in their own way. Tom was a Lion - and even walked down the street like one. He wasn't the biggest Tom in the neighborhood, but he was the toughest. He was also the most loving cat I have ever had. I just wish he hadn't lead with his face. Those doggone vet bills got expensive patching him up. Even though I learned how to do a lot of it myself I did not have anesthetics and that always bothered me when I was treating some of those nasty infections.
I find this to be somewhat interesting. I do believe in a Heaven and a Hell. But sometimes when I look at a painting, I sense I have been there before. For example, when I look at a certain Thomas Kincade painting, I really feel I have been there. I once watched a tv movie, "Audry Rose", and to this day, I wonder about these things myself. Some call these kinds of similar life paths and events "synchronicity". Just out of the blue, one time I was suddenly thinking of my ceiling about to collapse. Wouldn't you know it that same night I tuned on the news and hear of somebody's apartment ceiling suddenly collapsing right on top of them. Then, one time, I was sitting in class, in '95, History class, and somebody had passed over our door a sign that read "He's Acquited" referring to O.J. Simpson's murder case. As soon as I saw this sign, I quietly remember saying, "What we need is another earthquake". Two minutes later, we had an earthquake! The person sitting behind me said, "Please don't say it again".
An eternal living spirit does not necessarily mean returning to earth in multiple bodies. I am hard core Christian who believes in the Bible as truth. However I also believe in science and a broad spectrum of ideas. I do not see them as counter to the Bible as many do. My belief in God is a very personal thing, one which I am mostly reluctant to talk about. Mainly because my love of science puts my religious beliefs outside the box. Edit: I don't believe in reincarnation but I don't discount the possibility. I too have "past life" memories. As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
Very interesting. I will have to read more about those. Reincarnation raises some difficult questions. I definitely believe in the soul. I would say I am conscious of my soul and there is a rider-and-horse relationship to the body. When I look in the mirror I have always felt that the "me" I see isnt the real "me". I'm inside that meat somewhere. My body is just the "horse", I am the "rider". Or maybe I'm just nuts. So if reincarnation is real why did I come back as this? I dont buy that. If reincarnation were real it would have to be involuntary.
#2. To: octavia (#1)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#3. To: octavia, PSUSA2 (#1)
#4. To: Pinguinite, octavia, PSUSA2, Original_Intent, abraxas (#3)
Are souls immortal or is it possible they/we can still be destroyed? If/when the universe burns out 100 billion years from now, do we go with it or are we more than even that? Do we have a power that is associated with our beings which enable us to actually shape what happens to us?
#5. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
#6. To: Pinguinite (#3)
Are souls immortal or is it possible they/we can still be destroyed?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#7. To: Pinguinite (#5)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#8. To: Pinguinite, octavia (#5)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#9. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
#10. To: farmfriend (#4)
lso, if we are made in his image, then all the associated abilities are ours as well.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#11. To: PSUSA2 (#10)
I may be a Satanist, but I never said there was no God. It's just not the jew tribal psycho 'god'.
#12. To: farmfriend (#4)
when you consider the concept of being made in the image of God, the mind broadens. If we truly made in the image of God, then like God, we would exist outside of space/time, beyond the 10 dimensions of string theory or the 11 dimensions of M theory. Also, if we are made in his image, then all the associated abilities are ours as well.
God is a spirit not a body and exists independent of the flesh.
Therefore man is a spiritual being that exists independent of the flesh.
#13. To: farmfriend (#4)
when you consider the concept of being made in the image of God, the mind broadens. If we truly made in the image of God, then like God, we would exist outside of space/time, beyond the 10 dimensions of string theory or the 11 dimensions of M theory. Also, if we are made in his image, then all the associated abilities are ours as well.
#14. To: Original_Intent (#12)
#15. To: octavia (#14)
I believe animals have souls too.
#16. To: PSUSA2 (#8)
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#17. To: octavia (#14)
I believe animals have souls too. I have some cats and dogs on the other side I really want to see again. Besides, the cat grabbing me right now and making me kiss her has a very great soul on board.
#18. To: Original_Intent (#17)
#19. To: octavia (#18)
#20. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
#21. To: Pinguinite (#13)
(Edited)
Well, if our souls do detach and reattach to bodies over time, how does Christianity -- and for that matter all other religions, major and minor -- fit into the big picture? All versions of Christianity reject the idea of reincarnation, and in fact it pretty much completely turns it on its head. I mean, it just doesn't work any more, does it?
#22. To: PSUSA2, farmfriend (#0)
If you want to know why people are the way they are, and why life is so difficult, and what happens after death, this is a possible answer that goes well beyond the "you must have FAITH, my child!" nonsense.
If our souls choose who we come back as, why would any choose to come back as a 14-year-olds baby drowned in a toilet at birth? Or anyone with a sad life?
Why didnt I choose to come back as a rich playboy who has an easy life, gets laid every day, lives to be 100 (with great health), and is adored by millions?
I choose this instead?
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#23. To: Armadillo (#22)
Here's my personal take on this one. We are spirits living in this material world in a material body. Our bodies are prisons of our souls. It is only when we are asleep that our souls are free. When I sleep, I roam all over the world and oftentimes fly in the universe. (No, I'm not smoking Mr. Greenthumb either.) ...When I look in the mirror I have always felt that the "me" I see isnt the real "me". I'm inside that meat somewhere. My body is just the "horse", I am the "rider". Or maybe I'm just nuts."
#24. To: Armadillo (#22)
So if reincarnation is real why did I come back as this? Because the energetic body (soul) is sparked into the body that fits its perfect elemental necessity. The attraction is too strong to resist. If the life is sad or results in death (as all do and is a rebirth to another state) then this is not of harsh consequence for the time on this earth will serve the greater energetic needs of the soul and enhance the soul experience. "This" that you came back to is perfect, but you do not see it as such. If you came into this life rich and with all the material aspects you desire, how much would you limit your potential for growth? our souls choose who we come back as, why would any choose to come back as a 14-year-olds baby drowned in a toilet at birth? Or anyone with a sad life?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#25. To: PSUSA2 (#6)
For further reference on the in between states, I recommend the Tibetan Book of the Dead or its sister The Egyptian book of the dead.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#26. To: abraxas (#24)
Still dont buy it. If reincarnation were real, it might be more like karma. A good person gets a good next life as a reward. An evil person gets a hard life.If you came into this life rich and with all the material aspects you desire, how much would you limit your potential for growth?
Going back to the baby born into a toilet and drowned. How much spritual growth did that soul get? None.
But I dont buy that either.
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#27. To: Armadillo (#26) (Edited)
That's not for you or I to judge Dillo....but on the other side death isn't looked upon as bad. Each energetic body has its own needs to fill.....you or I or any other person on this planet. We have an opportunity to grow while in the elemental body and this is the GREAT gift of life, all life including the little babies who do not live very long. Consider the growth the life offers to others in your analysis as well as the growth that one soul gains. Consider that people continue to reincarnate until they achieve a level of BEING that merits getting off the wheel of life. Not all continue to reincarnate as there is a goal to achieve. We have choices in life and these choices determine the level of our BEING......so, in the end, a soul may actually digress for the (evil) choices made or they may enhance their sense of BEING. If you consider good and evil as choice beyond the state of judgment you foster a great compassion for those who opt for the latter, for what a price to pay for a soul to digress. Going back to the baby born into a toilet and drowned. How much spritual growth did that soul get?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#28. To: Armadillo (#26)
That's alright because I'm not attempting to sell it, just offering some food for thought on the topic. Still dont buy it.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#29. To: farmfriend (#21)
Agreed. The Christian idea is that it's one life on earth, and then eternity either with God in heaven or alone in fiery torment, but either way, eternal existence. As a bit of a scientist at heart, I have struggled to find compatibility between the Bible & Christianity vs science and logic. There are things that are hard to settle. One item pertinent to the subject on this thread is what happens to babies that die. They've had no chance to hear the gospel and make a choice for God, nor have they had any chance to actually commit sin. So where do they go? The litmus test decision of heaven or hell seems inappropriate to apply to those who die at various ages and with various degrees of mental lucidness. This type thing makes it seem like the standard Christian model is a bit invented. And then I wonder why the Bible should be accepted as the "Word of God". Some Christians believe the Bible is the "Word of God" because the Bible says it's the "Word of God", but obviously, self-certified authorship isn't valid. So what's the real, valid reason to believe the Bible? An eternal living spirit does not necessarily mean returning to earth in multiple bodies.
I am hard core Christian who believes in the Bible as truth. However I also believe in science and a broad spectrum of ideas. I do not see them as counter to the Bible as many do.
#30. To: Armadillo (#22)
This assumes that souls would know in advance the outcome of a given chosen life, which there is no reason to believe is the case. I know what you're saying and for me it's the old "I think, therefore I am" thing. *I* see through my eyes but not anyone else's. If all I am is flesh and blood, then I really shouldn't have a concept of *me*. But I do, so what the heck is going on here? Have you seen the flick called "The Secret?" Check it out if you haven't. It advocates a philosophy called the "Law of Attraction" where you attract things into your life according to what you are and believe at your deepest level. And for the vast majority of people, what's believed at that level is a mix of good and bad. Some people cannot conceive of living a healthy life and so are plagued with constant illness. Others cannot believe they deserve to be wealthy and so they live modestly. Not because they consciously want these things but because they don't believe that living better is a possibility. It explains the placebo effect in medicine about perfectly. That flick says nothing about reincarnation, but would mesh with it to answer your question perfectly. Maybe it is involuntary. Imagine a new, empty body that eventually sucks up a soul from the eatherworld like a vacuum cleaner. If your happy soul happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.... bummer! If our souls choose who we come back as, why would any choose to come back as a 14-year-olds baby drowned in a toilet at birth? Or anyone with a sad life?
I definitely believe in the soul. I would say I am conscious of my soul and there is a rider-and-horse relationship to the body. When I look in the mirror I have always felt that the "me" I see isnt the real "me". I'm inside that meat somewhere. My body is just the "horse", I am the "rider". Or maybe I'm just nuts.
So if reincarnation is real why did I come back as this? Why didnt I choose to come back as a rich playboy who has an easy life, gets laid every day, lives to be 100 (with great health), and is adored by millions? I choose this instead?
I dont buy that. If reincarnation were real it would have to be involuntary.
#31. To: purplerose (#23)
I've heard of people claiming to have this "astral projection" ability. Have you ever testing this by having your spouse put a message inside a closed box, taped shut, and then entering the box during your travels to read what it says? If you could do that, it would blow some people away. When I sleep, I roam all over the world and oftentimes fly in the universe. (No, I'm not smoking Mr. Greenthumb either.)
#32. To: Original_Intent (#12)
The original Hebrew is more like, "God created Man in Their own Likeness". Where that knowledge came from is unknown, but there is more than likely a huge amount of truth there... God created man in his own image.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#33. To: Armadillo (#26)
But I dont buy that either. And why not? Do you "buy" the idea of heaven and/or hell? If reincarnation were real, it might be more like karma. A good person gets a good next life as a reward. An evil person gets a hard life.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
Thanks for the info, will most certainly check it out.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#35. To: Armadillo (#26)
Download the first book PSUSA put on the thread (link in the article is wrong... corrected around post 7 or so). I'm on about page 80 and it's an interesting take.... assuming it's for real, and it seems candid enough, for what that's worth. The story I'm getting is that each new life is intended for continued spiritual growth, though some people can carry forward ills and elements from one life to another. Things like chronic physical pains in the body of this life being traced to the method of death in the previous life. If reincarnation were real, it might be more like karma. A good person gets a good next life as a reward. An evil person gets a hard life. But I dont buy that either.
#36. To: Pinguinite (#29)
probably the hardest question to answer and the answer may only be answered within your own faith. There is no valid reason to believe any holy book. Personally I believe the Bible is the word of God but I also understand it was written and edited by men. One must also look at dispensation or the time frame it was written in. So what's the real, valid reason to believe the Bible?
As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
#37. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#27)
I do agree with that, and have said before that from Gods perspective death may be the birth of a soul. If we carry that analogy forward, babies dont return to the womb ever. Why would a soul return to a body?but on the other side death isn't looked upon as bad.
Birth is not fun for a baby, probably terrifying, but we celebrate it.
Might death be seen the same way by God?
Once born into Gods presence, nothing more is needed.
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#38. To: Armadillo (#22)
Well, I am certainly not an expert on this. I'm stumbling thru life like everyone else. All I can do is give some of the info that the books give, and these are all taken from the authors case histories, and to me they do make sense. What they say, and I already agreed with even before reading these books, is that we learn more, we advance more, thru trials. Going thru these trials, that I then learned that we choose for ourselves before incarnating, make us stronger. I know, going thru this is not easy. Some have it worse than others, but knowing that does not make the situation any easier while WE are fumbling our way thru our own shitstorms. I dont buy that. If reincarnation were real it would have to be involuntary. If you don't but that, that's fine. But, it is all voluntary, from what I read, and to me what I read does make sense. Earth is known as a hardship post, for which we volunteer. And I too have thought many times, because reincarnation is not a new idea to me, is "WTF did I get myself into! What was I thinking when I decided to come here?!!?" Reincarnation raises some difficult questions. If our souls choose who we come back as, why would any choose to come back as a 14-year-olds baby drowned in a toilet at birth? Or anyone with a sad life?
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#39. To: PSUSA2 (#38)
you know what? it's the starlings and blackbirds, again... i'd rather watch them and marvel, rather than explain them. I'm stumbling thru life
#40. To: lead.and.lag (#39)
Yeah, balance is not easy to maintain. I seem to appreciate explanations more than just marveling.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#41. To: PSUSA2 (#40)
well, you cant know everything. can you? I seem to appreciate explanations more
#42. To: PSUSA2 (#40)
you got to take a little comfort from humans' limitations, dont you? not only comfort, but (i hate to use this word) joy. what could be more joyful than the starlings?
#43. To: PSUSA2 (#40) (Edited)
my dad and i climbed the hill across the road from the house, we could see most of the valley. my dad was a skeptic of most everything, a destroyer, a hypocrite, but we just stood there, looking at... what made us, i guess. we didnt say anything.
#44. To: lead.and.lag (#41)
can you? Not everything. But I despise those that give BS answers. If I didn't, I wouldn't be so anti-authoritarian and cut myself off from the herd mentality as much as I have. Hell, I'd be a useless republican millionaire chickenhawk that goes to a megachurch. Consider 2 paths; the right hand and left hand paths. The LHP is where satanism gets placed, and the RHP is where things like christianity and wicca get placed. A motto for the LHP is "I want to know". A motto for the RHP is 'I want to be known". The LHP is where it's at. But it is lonely at times. The RHP has it where fellowship is concerned. well, you cant know everything.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#45. To: PSUSA2 (#44)
sometimes you should just relax and enjoy the ride.
#46. To: PSUSA2 (#44)
you seem to be someone who's looking for answers. maybe there arent any.
#47. To: All (#46) (Edited)
if there's ever gonna be an answer, it would be justice. justice doesnt explain the starlings, though.
#48. To: Armadillo (#37)
I do think birth to the elemental body the harder than death to the elemental body. Souls return because they have work to do. Consider that the only change a soul can initiate is in the strand of time and not outside of it for outside all is one. If this is the case, souls would desire to return to the body again and again and again in order to evoke the lessons and level of being necessary to get to the final destination beyond the time stream. Perhaps, we cannot remain in that presence/state if we have not mastered our lessons on this plane. Where is the womb of the soul? Is is the same womb as the elemental body? I don't think so. Perhaps death of the elemental body allows the soul to return to the womb. : ) If we carry that analogy forward, babies dont return to the womb ever. Why would a soul return to a body?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#49. To: Armadillo (#37)
An interesting thought indeed. I guess there's an assumption by some that souls are created through conception and/or birth. If that's the case then I could see incarnation being a one-shot deal (though maybe "incarnation" is the wrong word since that implies a fusing of soul and body instead of the creation of a soul). But if souls exist prior to conception/birth, then incarnation is the right word, and in that case, the reasonable question might be, if it can happen once, why not multiple times? Does something change or break once incarnation happens once? Or maybe a "you can't get there from here" type thing. I guess that would be the christian answer. and have said before that from Gods perspective death may be the birth of a soul. Birth is not fun for a baby, probably terrifying, but we celebrate it. Might death be seen the same way by God?
If we carry that analogy forward, babies dont return to the womb ever. Why would a soul return to a body?
#50. To: Pinguinite (#31)
I'm not married but a late friend of mine who did scientific developmental research for the U.S. government, found telepathy communication to be of interest and even suggested trying it on me. He said that some things unspoken of, were better yet told by (telepathic) natural communication. I do believe in that too. I had told him about my dreams of flying into the universe and seeing the planets. He had also had dreams of flying into the universe and it was what compelled him to study electromagnetivity (theory he researched under Michael Farraday) and an interest in magnetic energy of humans such as spontaneous combustion, telekinetic energy and the theory of law of relativity and universal gravitation (theory by Isacc Newton).
#51. To: PSUSA2, farmfriend, octavia, Original_Intent, purplerose, Armadillo, abraxas, FormerLurker (#0)
Found some youtubes of this guy, the author of the books linked above, Michael Newton. Seems very down to earth, objective and credible, in spite of the subject matter. These interviews seem to be a good summary of the first book, at least. If he's for real then... wow.... It changes *everything*, to put it very mildly. I'd like to get some more verification on who and what this guy is.
#52. To: Pinguinite (#51) (Edited)
Thanks for posting those. I will watch them later. He has been doing this for years, and I had no idea this was happening until recently. I knew of past life regression, but this seems to be something new. I found other books the supposedly teach about the afterlife, but they are all (so far) based on religions, and not science. Totally worthless. I'll take the word of a scientist over a theologian, any day. IMO he is honest. That is because he admits it when he makes errors. How rare is that? He lets his clients tell what they know. And, imo the scientific method is so much better than the religious 'faith' of any religion, and not just christianity. Here is where I originally found them. It's a rather eclectic library. www.spiritualgateway.net/...Spiritual%20Communication
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#53. To: PSUSA2 (#52)
IMO he is honest. That is because he admits it when he makes errors. How rare is that? I've heard of this also but not about regression between lives. This guy documents and analyzes information he gets from his cases which apparently paints a very consistent picture of that part of life. While having people under hypnosis give individual accounts of past lives, I'm guessing most of those cases would be difficult to verify with historic information, and there's always the question of whether a subject is simply recalling facts from past studies to fill in an invented story of a past life, so there's significant room for doubt. Yes, most religions are based on abstract beliefs, and people believe them or not based on how well the presented belief system rhymes with their emotions or past indoctrination. This guy, on the other hand, compares first hand "witness" information from many, many sources and what he concludes, though he seems careful to avoid doing even that, is objectively done based on these first-hand witness accounts. ("First hand" being what separates this from just about all evangelism of every religion under the sun). I'm about 230 pages through the first book you linked to. In both that and these interviews he comes off as very credible and objective, letting the subjects speak for themselves and not trying to make them say things that conform to any preconceived ideas he may have. I like how he responds to questions about the after (between) life, not by saying "yes this is how it is" or "no that's wrong" but instead says things like "I have never had a case tell me that notion is true". The objective part of me wants to poke holes in this guys account. Could he be a fraud? If he is he's a very good one. With the degree of consistency in what he's reporting, there should be other hypnotherapists who should be/are able to independently verify what he's saying. It should not be hard to do at all. If this is for real, it's truly the biggest game changer ever for what life is all about. He has been doing this for years, and I had no idea this was happening until recently. I knew of past life regression, but this seems to be something new. I found other books the supposedly teach about the afterlife, but they are all (so far) based on religions, and not science. Totally worthless. I'll take the word of a scientist over a theologian, any day.
#54. To: Pinguinite (#53) (Edited)
Agreed, and where there are possible inconsistencies that he points out, well, he points them out instead of either not telling us or saying the client is mistaken somehow. I personally expect some inconsistencies, since we all have a different POV, even if we experience the same thing(s). If it took me this long to find this author, and I have been looking for answers for decades now without ever hearing of this man, I bet there is more out there that I haven't found yet. Why did it take so long? Hell if I know. It is interesting how this possibly meshes with my admittedly simplistic understanding of Crowley and the Golden Dawn .org, in that they seek communion with their "holy guardian angel" in order to find their "True Will" in life, with that True Will being what we were sent here to do and learn. his guy documents and analyzes information he gets from his cases which apparently paints a very consistent picture of that part of life.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#55. To: Pinguinite (#53)
I have to agree with your assesment and add that for thousands of years this has been a common belief system with some of the worlds largest populations, India and China. From what I've read, the early christian assemblies were also on board with this in Alexandria circa 50 bc to almost 320 ad. It wasn't untill the Roman Catholic church raised it's heavy hand and squashed this out that the majority of the world held this as the truth. Unfortunately, as with most organized faith systems, dogma manages to push aside the real truths and we are left with childrens stories. If this is for real, it's truly the biggest game changer ever for what life is all about.
#56. To: PSUSA2 (#54)
The Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav is excellent. : ) I bet there is more out there that I haven't found yet.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#57. To: abraxas (#56)
Thanks! I'll see if I can find it.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#58. To: PSUSA2, octavia, Original_Intent, Pinguinite, farmfriend, purplerose, Armadillo, abraxas, FormerLurker, lead.and.lag, 2dollarbill (#0)
"Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I shall return there." (Job 1:21) I've long thought that the concept of the Resurrection was a re-marketing of the idea of the soul traversing Creation in different forms. The fine line difference between the two ideas sits on taking responsibility for the existence of one's very soul. In the rebranded version, since Jesus died and rose for us, it's easier to absolve one's self of responsibility for misdeeds and shortcomings. If I take the idea that I'll be back in some form or another as a serious one, it makes me watch my p's and q's a lot more. Even if it's not true, my life and the life of those around me will be better anyway. Great thread. All this talk of love and mercy is highly inappropriate for Christmas, though. : )
#59. To: PSUSA2 (#54)
You and me both. As for why it took so long, the answer would seemingly be because you weren't supposed to find out any sooner than you did. Thanks for starting this thread. Finished the first book. A few of the hypnotic interviews are kindof funny, which I never would have expected. and I have been looking for answers for decades now without ever hearing of this man, I bet there is more out there that I haven't found yet. Why did it take so long? Hell if I know.
#60. To: Pinguinite (#59) (Edited)
Agreed, but that is sure to make me angry, at first. Then I'll eventually laugh about it, because it fits. Humor helps, even if it's at my expense. And, since I see this as being probably true because it already matches what I see, at least I found out about it. But I have to say "probably true", since I thought that about some other things in the past that I don't see as being true anymore. I read that book about as quickly as you did. It was hard to put down. . As for why it took so long, the answer would seemingly be because you weren't supposed to find out any sooner than you did.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#61. To: PSUSA2 (#60)
Finished the second book just now. What I really like is just how everything I've ever experienced, witnessed or considered, whereas it previously just created a lot of confusion, now with this information all falls into place and there is now agreement between all. Some things I've privately *thought* must be true but which I could not explain how, are explained well with Newton's information, so that makes me feel real good. Newton also shows me where I was assuming things which, according to his reports, are not so. Thanks again for posting this thread. Like you, this is something I've been looking for for quite a while. Cheers...
#62. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
Reincarnation? LOLOLOLOL! Do you have any straws left to pull out of your ass?
#63. To: Pinguinite (#61)
You're welcome. And like you, there were things I thought were true but could not really prove any of it; like choosing to come here, to learn and not be coddled, etc. The 2nd book had a lot about colors, which I personally found boring, but it also fleshed out the info in the first book too. So, it looks like I have no real reason to complain about things. It looks like we volunteered for this. That sure does generates some "mixed feelings".
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#64. To: Cornhuskerkid (#62) (Edited)
I never heard it phrased that way before. It must be a Jersey... I mean a Nebraska thing. Boring state, nebraska. The only thing to do is count how many times one crosses the Platte "river". Do you have any straws left to pull out of your ass?
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#65. To: PSUSA2 (#63)
There was certainly a lot there and I'd benefit from a second reading of both books sometime, but I'll have to return to more mundane duties for the moment. Yes more details are in book two. He goes into the one issue which is still a perplexing about causality. Our futures seem largely set in advance, and yet our actions obviously impact other players and we still have free will. Those 3 things don't seem to mix too well to me. Newton gives his best answer on that but in the end he's speculating as much as we would be. Yes, Newton does paint a picture where no one can ever rightly complain about anything that happens to them. I say he "paints" a picture but of course it's simply based on what his clients tell him. Seriously makes me consider changing careers into hypnotherapy. Not too much unlike computer work. Both analytical problem solving and "programming". Or "deprogramming" in this case. I dug around a bit more and there is an institute with Newton's name on it with contacts for such trained people in, it seems, most English speaking countries, at least. The 2nd book had a lot about colors, which I personally found boring, but it also fleshed out the info in the first book too.
So, it looks like I have no real reason to complain about things. It looks like we volunteered for this. That sure does generates some "mixed feelings".
#66. To: Cornhuskerkid (#62)
If you can debunk it, you would have my hearty congrats. But I don't think you can. You're welcome to try. Reincarnation? LOLOLOLOL!
#67. To: Pinguinite (#3)
intriguing questions. i find this topic fascinating too. i have no cognizance of past lives, but i have had friends who have and like the child you cited, they had vivid recollections. If this is true, the ramifications are of course absolutely enormous and blow away the relevancy of so very much of what we think is important in the day to day lives we all get caught up in. Are we inherently immortal, or perhaps connected to or a very part of the universe itself, with our fate tied to it? Are souls immortal or is it possible they/we can still be destroyed? If/when the universe burns out 100 billion years from now, do we go with it or are we more than even that? Do we have a power that is associated with our beings which enable us to actually shape what happens to us?
#68. To: Pinguinite (#13)
like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? it has always perplexed me how parents, especially Christian parents tell their children these myths. it's incongruous with truth and having one's word be trustworthy. besides, i never wanted Santa to get credit for the gifts i lovingly chose for my son! Parents will invent explanations for kids that are too young to understand the complexities of life, and these kids grow up holding these ideas as sound doctrine, and then religion is born.
#69. To: octavia, Original_Intent (#18)
awwwww....i love these stories.
#70. To: Pinguinite (#29)
i can so relate to that. who made the decisions on which books were canonized? mortal men, that's who, some of which had political and self-serving motivations. And then I wonder why the Bible should be accepted as the "Word of God". Some Christians believe the Bible is the "Word of God" because the Bible says it's the "Word of God", but obviously, self-certified authorship isn't valid.
#71. To: christine (#68) (Edited)
It's funny you should mention the fables and stories we are told as we grow in this life. I just had a conversation with a friend about a certain liberal proffesor that I have done work for the last several years. This proffesor (Tom) is very politically active and fancies himself a very aware person. I laugh cause I sum it up this way: When you are two years old or so, you think that covering your eyes makes it so others can't see you, but you grow out of it.... When you are four you still believe in Santa Claus, but when you get older you grow out of it.... When you are in early teens (and sometimes much older) you think wrestling is real, but most of us grow out of it.... Since you were old enough to watch TV you thought the news was real, but at a certain level of maturity a small minority of us grow out of it.... There are many paradigms that we fall prey to but if we have the "eyes to see" and the desire, we become dis-alusioned, but not poor Tom (the proffesor) he still thinks CNN brings him the truth. It really is sad how many people still believe in wrestling.
It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)
#72. To: christine (#67)
You may wish to read at least the first book PSUSA linked to above. He's got excerpts of his interviews with clients while under hypnosis. And it's like, "what the....??" The second book has more detail and goes into even more areas such as the nature of life creation and life on other planets, but you get diminishing returns of info with it over just the first book. According to Newton, the amnesia we have in this life is somewhat by design and grows is strength up until about 5 years old, at which point we are totally distracted by this world, usually. Very shortly after death, once in the spirit world, we then remember everything, including past lives and our several soulmates with whom we regularly go though lives. One of the intriguing things I infer from Newton is that the complexity of our souls is at least on par with the complexity of our physical bodies and brains and probably far, far more so. (That's my inference... Newton never says that explicitly). But souls are not simply a consciousness or perspective, contrary to what I'd always assumed. I never would have dreamed that could be the case, but it's one of the numerous things from his portrayal of the universe that makes my personal giant jigsaw puzzle fit together nicely. i have no cognizance of past lives, but i have had friends who have and like the child you cited, they had vivid recollections.
#73. To: Pinguinite (#72)
monroeinstitute.org has been researching and mapping these territories for decades. robert monroes trilogy, starting with journeys out of the body, and their home courses and courses held at the institute in Va, gateway experience, are all about that.
“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,
#74. To: Pinguinite (#66)
Have you lost your fucking mind?
#75. To: All (#74)
Never mind.
#76. To: PSUSA2 (#64)
Yes, but a 'guy' like 'you' would NEVER run out of new steer to queer, would you?
#77. To: christine (#68)
Exactly, except that it's stories about why it's not raining this year and there's less food, not a story about how these mysterious toys and eggs got dumped at the house! like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?
#78. To: gengis gandhi (#73)
robert monroes trilogy, starting with journeys out of the body, and their home courses and courses held at the institute in Va, gateway experience, are all about that. Here's the one associated with Michael Newton: www.newtoninstitute.org/monroeinstitute.org has been researching and mapping these territories for decades.
#79. To: Pinguinite (#78)
monroe actually has patented sound frequency technology called hemi-sync. very interesting. hemi-sync.com
“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,
#80. To: Pinguinite, Original_Intent, christine, Jethro tull, James Deffenbach, turdle, farmfriend (#15)
As I said the ramifications are pretty huge. I'm still having chicken for dinner tonight though. In the film AVATAR the Na'vi had a ritual they performed when they harvested a critter for victuals. The animal's soul went to be with Eywa, the guiding force and deity of Pandora and the Na'vi. I hope this is true because I'd be heartbroken if I won't ever see my beloved Budgies Wheetie and Marty, or my cat Ootie again. If people have souls that are reincarnated, and evolution is how life changes on earth, then it's very logical to conclude that animals could/should have souls as well. In fact since the difference between animals and lower life forms including plants is rather subjective or abstract, then it could be argued that all life forms could have souls tied to them.
#81. To: intotheabyss (#71)
I just had a conversation with a friend about a certain liberal proffesor that I have done work for the last several years. This proffesor (Tom) is very politically active and fancies himself a very aware person. I laugh cause I sum it up this way: When you are two years old or so, you think that covering your eyes makes it so others can't see you, but you grow out of it.... When you are four you still believe in Santa Claus, but when you get older you grow out of it.... When you are in early teens (and sometimes much older) you think wrestling is real, but most of us grow out of it.... Since you were old enough to watch TV you thought the news was real, but at a certain level of maturity a small minority of us grow out of it.... There are many paradigms that we fall prey to but if we have the "eyes to see" and the desire, we become dis-alusioned, but not poor Tom (the proffesor) he still thinks CNN brings him the truth. HA! Good post. And then there are still those who believe the "official 9/11 report," or the "I wuz hacked!" CT. 8^D It's funny you should mention the fables and stories we are told as we grow in this life.
#82. To: PSUSA2 (#0) (Edited)
"Travel log"? Having met long lost relatives? Even those who could have ONLY remembered intimate details? Two words: DEMON POSSESSION. Make that four words: Add INCARNATE SPIRITS. Dr. Michael Newton is being used. JMHO. Hypnotism is dangerous; Those who allow it voluntarily surrender their spirit's "fire wall", making it susceptible to deceptive, intrusion, manipulation, and possession - temporarily or permanently. It is the same mental phenomena that allows the psyche to "see" and "meet" ETs, UFOs, or incarnate spirits and ghosts. Interesting subject. Dr. Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist in private practice, has developed his own hypnosis technique to reach his subjects' hidden memories of the hereafter. The resulting narrative acts as a progressive "travel log" of the accounts of twenty-nine people who were placed in a state of superconsciousness.
#83. To: abraxas (#48)
In the twinkle of God's eye. Where is the womb of the soul?
#84. To: Liberator (#82)
If you say it is your opinion that he is being used, that's all well and good. But when you say "Those who allow it voluntarily surrender their spirit's "fire wall", making it susceptible to deceptive, untrusion (sic), manipulation, and possession - temporarily or permanently. ", then you have some explaining to do. Prove that there is surrender of ones "fire wall" under hypnosis, and the dire consequences that you list. And one does not need psychic powerz to see UFOs because they are physical objects. I know that first hand. And ghosts too seem to be physical phenomena that can be picked up via various instruments.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#85. To: purplerose (#50)
There is such phenomena that truly exists...Research, "Remote Viewing" which has been the subject of both Soviet and American military scientists. This kind of communication (or telepathy) is used in "divining" water and oil locations around the world - even from thousands of miles away. Or divining the location of "secret" locations of dead bodies....or others that have military applications. Whose power does it tap? Man's? Or other metaphysical entities? That leaves either God OR Satan (demonic). A late friend of mine who did scientific developmental research for the U.S. government, found telepathy communication to be of interest and even suggested trying it on me. He said that some things unspoken of, were better yet told by (telepathic) natural communication.
#86. To: bluegrass (#58)
agree. i'm finding it intriquing. Great thread.
#87. To: PSUSA2 (#84) (Edited)
Prove that there is surrender of ones "fire wall" under hypnosis, and the dire consequences that you list. The human psyche has several layers of a "fire wall." A simple example of the wall coming down would be upon imbibing alcohol. Deeper intrusion and hijacking is facilitated by hypnosis where manipulation can be insidious as your will is surrendered to whichever force is allowed to fill the void. Arguably, the victims of this are facilitated by certain drugs, shamans, seers, fortune tellers, occultists, mystics, satanists, and other psychic techniques. Some result in spiritual brainwashing or level of spiritual possession. "Those who allow it voluntarily surrender their spirit's "fire wall", making it susceptible to deceptive, untrusion (sic), manipulation, and possession - temporarily or permanently. ", then you have some explaining to do.
#88. To: PSUSA2 (#84) (Edited)
I know people who've sworn they've also "seen" UFOs and "ghosts". I believe them. They've also "seen" Mary; Seen pictures MOVE. Of Mary. (Multiple witnesses in that case.) HEARD Mary speak. I'd been given transcript. NO "Mary" would have uttered the words attributed to her. So what has been seen and heard? Or manipulated by the spirit world? Demons work in this world only to deceive man into believing in his own deity or the "lie" of one mortal life as they provide afterlife options to the one and only God and His Law. IMO. One does not need psychic powerz to see UFOs because they are physical objects. I know that first hand. And ghosts too seem to be physical phenomena that can be picked up via various instruments.
#89. To: Liberator (#87)
Apples and oranges. Alcohol and drugs impair brain function. Ones will is not surrendered in hypnosis. The conscious mind is still active. Arguably, the victims of this are facilitated by certain drugs, shamans, occultists, mystics, satanists, and other psychic techniques. Some result in spiritual brainwashing. Spiritual brainwashing? There is no such thing. Brainwashing works with the physical brain, not the spirit. Brainwashing techniques involve sensory / sleep deprivation, yelling and screaming, physical abuse, etc. None of that happens in a hypnosis session. But I am not an expert on hypnosis so I am not qualified to discuss that too much. I know much more about religion, especially christianity, having swum in that cesspool for 40+ years. Now that is brainwashing, because it fucks with a persons mind, and it's hard to beat permanently. A simple example of the wall coming down would be upon imbibing alcohol.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#90. To: Pinguinite, all (#3)
These days with the internet it makes it very possible to test the validity of alleged memories. Funny, but even my own brother claims HE was a WWII vet who died on the beach at Iwo Jima. FWIW, he's not "religious". If those of us concede that there's a metaphysical world that exists beyond tHIS physical world, why isn't demon possession possible? Why isn't the brain just a tool that's manipulated to accept false memory and mental/physical mirages in the sky (like UFO and Marian apparitions)? Like ghosts of Aunt Martha? That said, when a demon possesses the "memory" of a subject (such as events, people, places and things), such tests are invalid. Satan needs to convince man that death is NOT final. Memories of a "past" accomplish that. VIOLA! "Reincarnation" is SOLD. This subject has intrigued me since reading about that "soul surviver" kid who at some 9 years old allegedly recalls incredible detail of his life until he was shot down and killed during WWII, even remembering faces of shipmates well enough to recognize and name them at navy reunions 60 years after the fact.
#91. To: PSUSA2 (#89)
Sure. And so do drugs (i.e., LSD, 'shrooms, and even pot to a degree. "Reality" is altered in all the above cases. We've all heard Flip Wilson's "The devil made me do it!" He's made us do a lotta things while brain-impaired and the door to the spirit is ajar. Ones will is not surrendered in hypnosis. The conscious mind is still active. Is that why some subjects bark like dogs and and scratch like chickens in demonstrations? Will IS surrendered. That is why some people can NOT be hypnotized. Some measure of the will resists certain commands, obviously, but hypnosis is very dangerous because other-worldly entities can enter the subject's psyche during the procedure. I am not an expert on hypnosis so I am not qualified to discuss that too much. I know much more about religion, especially christianity, having swum in that cesspool for 40+ years. Now that is brainwashing, because it fucks with a persons mind, and it's hard to beat permanently. I reckon the "mind-f**ker" is in the eye or spirit of the beholder. All who call themselves "Christians" are obviously NOT. But to broadbrush Christianity as a "cesspool" that "f***s with a person's mind" means you've been deceived by the wrong "Christians," OR you've just totally surrendered your soul in the aftermath. Satan's victory is those who give up on Jesus and his Gospel. Jesus isn't a "religion." Spiritual brainwashing? There is no such thing. Brainwashing works with the physical brain, not the spirit. We see this in politics. We see it in cults. The brain is a processor, and yes, the spirit dwells outside the brain. But the physical may still affect the spirit. Brainwashing techniques involve sensory / sleep deprivation, yelling and screaming, physical abuse, etc. None of that happens in a hypnosis session. Now that's "apples and oranges". Apples and oranges. Alcohol and drugs impair brain function.
#92. To: Liberator (#91)
Nope. I just read the "good book" for myself. Instead of listening to people say things like "God is love" and "God knows all", etc, I decided to read it for myself. But it didnt sink in immediately because some things remained all too easy to gloss over because it went directly against a lifetime of programming (like the tremendous amount of death and destruction that is everywhere in that "good book"). It took time. Now I know better. Your so-called "true christianity" and the bible are not compatible. I know why you are doing this. It's because you believe you are doing the right thing. I bet you think that I am leading people straight into the pit of "hell". But even those that claim to believe in this "hell", really don't, because to believe this is to know that there are loved ones that will end up there, and this would literally drive a nice and decent person insane. Plus, I dont have the power to lead anyone anywhere. If you think reincarnation and hypnosis is BS and "evil", that is your right. All who call themselves "Christians" are obviously NOT. But to broadbrush Christianity as a "cesspool" that "f***s with a person's mind" means you've been deceived by the wrong "Christians," OR you've just totally surrendered your soul in the aftermath.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#93. To: christine (#67)
I found this concerning this subject which once again I will put forth, it is a concept almost as old as the written word in human history. It comes from this site here which is an interesting read for anyone interested in the spiritual side of this subject. reluctant-messenger.com/dance-of-shiva.htm Cosmic Dance of Shiva God and his creation are One. Yet God hides himself from his creation to give himself the joy of discovering God. God is both Creator and the Created. This is also known as the Wisdom of Balance. The Uncreated God and The Created God are One, yet the creation is attached to the grand illusion of separateness. Whenever God's creation discovers God, God discovers himself all over again. God delights in the dance of hiding and discovering his glory. The Cosmic Dance of Shiva. Your life is your part in this awesome Cosmic Dance. Your birth begins with your God Consciousness hid from you. If you have not discovered your unlimited potential in this life you will die, and your soul will go to the unseen state awaiting its chance for another birth. This is the gem of knowledge known as Reincarnation.
#94. To: Liberator (#91)
Dr. Newton addresses much of this in the videos posted above. Watch in particular #2. I'd like to hear your impression. I realize though that all is simply a matter of faith and belief.
#95. To: Liberator (#90)
So you don't believe that there is an afterlife, or that the soul is immortal? Are you saying that the bible is the word of satan? Satan needs to convince man that death is NOT final. Memories of a "past" accomplish that. VIOLA! "Reincarnation" is SOLD.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: christine, Pinguinite (#70)
i can so relate to that. who made the decisions on which books were canonized? mortal men, that's who, some of which had political and self-serving motivations. I came to that realization back in my early teen years. A book is just a book. God doesn't write books. And then I wonder why the Bible should be accepted as the "Word of God". Some Christians believe the Bible is the "Word of God" because the Bible says it's the "Word of God", but obviously, self-certified authorship isn't valid.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#97. To: PSUSA2 (#92)
You "know better" than whom?? "Dopey Holy Rollers"?? Bible scholars?? Simple people who understand the context of the Bible through both the Old and New Testament? The Bible is not intended to be read as a novel. If you choose to dwell on context you don't understand or "the tremendous amount of death and destruction" in the Old Testament, then at least find a Pastor who can explain it to you. What have you to lose? All one needs to to do is dwell upon is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, His promise of Everlasting Life, and His fulfillment of the prophecies. "Religion"? Not so much. I bet you think that I am leading people straight into the pit of "hell". Not at all. I know why you are doing this. It's because you believe you are doing the right thing. I'm commenting on this subject because I have personal and secondhand experience and knowledge in the subject of the metaphysical, metaphychic phenomena that transcends this physical world. Hypnosis is real, dangerous, and can invoke contrived regressive "memory" OR hijack/misguide the human conscious and spirit. So can New Age and Eastern mysticism, LSD, Deepak Chopra, Paul Crouch, and Oprah. But even those that claim to believe in this "hell", really don't, because to believe this is to know that there are loved ones that will end up there, and this would literally drive a nice and decent person insane. In the end, we are all personally responsible for the destination of our own respective soul. This physical world is a real test and challenge - even for "Believers". In the Kingdom God has promised there will be NO memory of tears, pain, or of "reassigned" loved ones OR hated ones. Our task here is rejecting deception and focusing ourselves and others on The Truth. If you think reincarnation and hypnosis is BS and "evil", that is your right. It's not BS; But they aren't benign - and neither is fortune telling or those who claim "Mary" is speaking to her "children" in Medjorgoie. They are ALL spiritual deceptions. Instead of listening to people say things like "God is love" and "God knows all", etc, I decided to read it for myself. But it didnt sink in immediately because some things remained all too easy to gloss over because it went directly against a lifetime of programming (like the tremendous amount of death and destruction that is everywhere in that "good book"). It took time. Now I know better.
#98. To: christine (#94)
Thanks. I'll check it out when I can...Gotta go in a few. Dr. Newton addresses much of this in the videos posted above. Watch in particular #2. I'd like to hear your impression. I realize though that all is simply a matter of faith and belief.
#99. To: FormerLurker (#95)
I do. , or that the soul is immortal? It can be. Are you saying that the bible is the word of satan? Let me know when you're serious. So you don't believe that there is an afterlife...
#100. To: Liberator (#99)
Well perhaps I didn't quite understand what you were saying. Your words were, "Satan needs to convince man that death is NOT final." Yet you now claim to believe the opposite. So which is it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#101. To: Christine, All (#98)
Those souls who have been associated with evil are taken to special centers which some clients call "intensive care units." Here, I am told, their energy is remodeled to make it whole again. Gawd, Christine - you mean stuff like THIS?? "Told" by *whom*?? "There is no hell for souls, except perhaps on Earth." I need not read further. This guy is a Deceiver, promoting the Great Lie. I guess the gist of all this is, is that Jesus Christ and His Salvation is the Lie, and Satan's so-called karmic "justice" rules the day. Special karmic issues are also reviewed, although they will be discussed later in minute detail within our soul cluster group...
#102. To: FormerLurker (#100)
Satan needs to convince man that he returns to earth in the form of ghosts or reincarnation, or as snails. This belief makes the Gospel of Jesus Christ a lie, as well as His Final Judgment. There is no Second Chance on earth as a mortal being, nor second chance as one pays penance in some ethereal waiting room like Purgatory or amongst a Council of Angels.
#103. To: Liberator (#101) (Edited)
How do YOU know what Jesus Christ, if he actually existed, said 2000 years ago? Do you really think those with the power to decide what was going to be included in the New Testament would allow things contrary to THEIR desires to be called "the word of God"? If you research the actual facts concerning the life of Jesus, you'll find he most likely was an Essene. Essenes were a highly spiritual Jewish sect, who believed in REINCARNATION. Roman Catholic Christianity is the work of Paul, not of the true disciples. All modern day versions of Christianity derive from the Roman Catholic Church. Here's some info if you're interested.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#104. To: FormerLurker (#103)
Ok, it's ALL been a giant hoax and CT. Happy now? Here's some info if you're interested. I'm NOT. Maybe we can find common ground in politics. But even there I doubt it. How do YOU know what Jesus Christ, if he actually existed, said 2000 years ago?
#105. To: Liberator (#102)
Satan needs to convince man that he returns to earth in the form of ghosts or reincarnation, or as snails. This belief makes the Gospel of Jesus Christ a lie, as well as His Final Judgment. That is an irrational belief. You believe what your pastor says as if he's God Himself. That, and you think men who wrote about God ordering them to kill men, women, and children (including babies) are actually speaking for God. 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. - 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version There is no Second Chance on earth as a mortal being, nor second chance as one pays penance in some ethereal waiting room like Purgatory or amongst a Council of Angels. Excuse me, but that is very close to what Christianity teaches in terms of Purgatory. As far as what a loving God of the Universe would do, do you really think He (or She) would torture souls forever if they made some mistakes in their incarnate lives? That idea derives from the evil bastards who wrote the verses you so revere. Back then, torturing people to death in various horrific and gruesome ways was accepted practice. The authors projected their own twisted dreams into the "scriptures", in order to control the "flock" and keep them in line. Since the seat of world government WAS the church for millenia, their plans worked quite well. It STILL works for those who wish to exert control over the world population, quite obviously.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#106. To: Liberator (#104) (Edited)
Every religion is a "guess" by those doing the writing as to why we are here. So I suppose you could say EVERY religion is a "hoax". In reality, God never wrote a word, yet people CLAIM to be able to write for Him and speak for Him. You choose to believe those people, good for you. But don't be stomping your feet if sane people don't wish to nuke Iran just because your insane masters tell you it "must be done" in order to protect Israel, or to bring about the 2nd Coming. Ok, it's ALL been a giant hoax and CT. Happy now?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#107. To: Liberator (#97) (Edited)
And how do you know that the "Dopey Holy Rollers" aren't the true christians? Every christian believes they are True Christians. Others that believe differently are either simply mistaken, ignorant, heretics, or are on their way to hell. If you choose to dwell on context you don't understand or "the tremendous amount of death and destruction" in the Old Testament, then at least find a Pastor who can explain it to you. What have you to lose? I laughed out loud when I read that. They'll say that it is "perfect justice", that god demands repentance etc. Sorry, but to use one example, murdering >50,000 people because someone looked into a box is not my idea of perfect justice. THrowing people into "eternal hell" because they don't love me or obey me is not anyones idea of perfect justice. I, a Satanist, am more merciful than "god". Ironic, huh? In the end, we are all personally responsible for the destination of our own respective soul. This physical world is a real test and challenge - even for "Believers". In the Kingdom God has promised there will be NO memory of tears, pain, or of "reassigned" loved ones OR hated ones. Our task here is rejecting deception and focusing ourselves and others on The Truth. How nice. You'll forget all about those people burning in hell, because god is a real sweetheart. Believe what you want. Look at post #1, and the title of the thread. NOwhere did I say "This is true". I did say however that IMO it has the ring of truth to it. You can believe that everyone is deceived but yourself, if you want to. But don't be surprised that you get resistance when you try and tell others what's what. You're not telling me anything I didn't already hear, and tell other people. Where you are now, I was already there. You "know better" than whom?? "Dopey Holy Rollers"?? Bible scholars?? Simple people who understand the context of the Bible through both the Old and New Testament?
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#108. To: Liberator (#87) (Edited)
A simple example of the wall coming down would be upon imbibing alcohol. Deeper intrusion and hijacking is facilitated by hypnosis where manipulation can be insidious as your will is surrendered to whichever force is allowed to fill the void. Arguably, the victims of this are facilitated by certain drugs, shamans, seers, fortune tellers, occultists, mystics, satanists, and other psychic techniques. Some result in spiritual brainwashing or level of spiritual possession. I would agree that our level of alertness certainly varies. We are sometimes fully awake and alert regarding our surroundings, and sometimes not when our conscienceness is subdued, such as when we are sick, sleepy, drunk, drugged or at church on Sunday morning :^) For what it's worth, as far as hypnosis goes, Newton claims that it cannot be used to program people to do things immediately contrary to their own interests, such as flinging themselves off a cliff. He says that even in a hypnotic state, we will only go along with things that we want to do, and turning people into zombies is the stuff of Hollywood only. That's what he says, for what it's worth. I don't know. The human psyche has several layers of a "fire wall."
#109. To: Liberator (#81)
It is mind boggling isn't it. I guess humanity has always had it's share of morons. I really don't mean that as a slight, it's just the accurate term for those of slow wit that has been bastardized and used as a slang insult in more recent history. And then there are still those who believe the "official 9/11 report
It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)
#110. To: Pinguinite (#108)
lol. sunday sermons and tv evangelists use so much nlp and covert hypnosis its hilarious. show me someone who thinks they're in control and aren't likely to be hypnotized, and i'll entrance them and have them handing me their wallet while they thank me.
“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,
#111. To: Liberator (#88)
Well here's where things get interesting. You say, in your opinion, demons are around. But why do you believe this? If we are debating beliefs back and forth, then nothing will be accomplished. What makes Newton's perception so unusual is that they are proported to be based on what subjects under hypnosis tell him, and not based on revelations spoken to him in his own dreams and meditations, which is pretty much the basis of how just about every founder of religion claims to know the truth. When Newton says that all of his clients whom he questioned on the matter say demons do not exist, and he's got recordings and transcripts to back it up, what do you do with that? You either have to accept it or come up with an explanation as to how they all say such a thing when it's not true, and even beyond that, how so many people could say the same thing, even given diverse backgrounds and religious beliefs. Either Newton is a fraud or his clients are all being manipulated by some spiritual force to say things that are not true. If you'd want to take either position I'll respect that, but some explanation is needed to explain Newton's portrayal of the universe. Demons work in this world only to deceive man into believing in his own deity or the "lie" of one mortal life as they provide afterlife options to the one and only God and His Law. IMO.
#112. To: PSUSA2 (#107)
jehovah, alien babylonian demi urge 'diety': racist (chosen people), bloodthirsty (requires killing of living creatures), jealous (says not to worship other gods, not that they're ARENT any, but none before 'him', hate filled (kills and burns with anger those who don't agree), is ritualistic (complex and idiotic codex of behavior that one must follow), is draconian (permanent punishment for temporal violations of a code impossible to follow). the gnostics knew that was no Supreme Being; it was an evil, spiteful entity they termed the 'demi urge'. scooby doo bullshit based on fear, guilt, revenge (eye for eye) and damnation.....vs. new testament, based on love, forgiveness and grace. not to tough to figure out the darkside spawn ginned up this fear shit that, gee whiz, coicidentally just happens to make them the chosen ones, so dingbat fundie pinheads will toe the line and give em everything they want, while never bothering to read the talmud that gives the more accurate picture of the contempt they're held in by these 'chosen types'...who regard them as cattle. duh...the demiurge regards this as a human farm, with a group designated as overseers to manage the herd. (gasp...no! not that. Whats that in Isiah about coming to set the captives free? hmmm....lets watch Hagee and he'll tell us) not really that tough to figure out.
“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,
#113. To: gengis gandhi (#110)
I remember reading a report that addresses this. I have no link handy though so take it for what you think it's worth. THey hooked up a TV that would automatically turn off based on brain waves. When they entered altered states, off goes the boob tube. No one could keep it on for more than 30 seconds.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#114. To: gengis gandhi (#112) (Edited)
It shouldn't be, but it is hard to figure out, especially when people are raised with it. Most people will never leave it. Which is OK, so long as they don't try and recruit others into their misery. So much for the 'great commission', huh? lol If they want to believe that they are born as unworthy pieces of shit, who am I to stop them? The only ones that benefit from that are the kikes that started it, and their henchmen parasites that benefit from it. I can't do anything to stop this. not really that tough to figure out.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#115. To: Liberator (#90)
According to Newton "demons" in the religious sense do not exist. Having said that, possession of a body/mind is something that all souls do, so in that sense, we could say that the souls of you and I are demons because we each possess our respective bodies. Our bodies *are* possessed -- by our souls. I'm sure a christian would then suggest that demons could/would intrude upon the body and share it somehow, that that is the meaning of demon possession. Newton reports that the word he gets is that one soul cannot take over a body that his held by another soul, so presumably "demons" would be similarly restricted. Having said *that*, Newton does not claim to have all the answers of what goes on in the spirit world, so I'd say there is room in his portrayal of things for strange entities to exist. Even so, having read 2 of his books, I'd guess his sentiment is that demons run contrary to everything he's ever heard depicted about earth and the spirit world. Okay, maybe. But if deception is possible, then how do you know you were not deceived about the existence of Satan? Why do you accept the perception of the world as depicted by one source but not another contrary source? If those of us concede that there's a metaphysical world that exists beyond tHIS physical world, why isn't demon possession possible?
Satan needs to convince man that death is NOT final. Memories of a "past" accomplish that. VIOLA! "Reincarnation" is SOLD.
#116. To: HOUNDDAWG (#80)
I hope this is true because I'd be heartbroken if I won't ever see my beloved Budgies Wheetie and Marty, or my cat Ootie again. While I don't believe in reincarnation I have always hoped that God made provisions for the animals too. I have had some pets who were very dear to me and it makes me hope that the story about the Rainbow Bridge is true. In the film AVATAR the Na'vi had a ritual they performed when they harvested a critter for victuals. The animal's soul went to be with Eywa, the guiding force and deity of Pandora and the Na'vi.
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Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#117. To: Pinguinite (#111)
I say POSSESSION. DECEPTION. When Newton says that all of his clients whom he questioned on the matter say demons do not exist, and he's got recordings and transcripts to back it up, what do you do with that? Simple. LIES facilitated by DEMONS who by definition are LIARS and DECEIVERS. What's credible about a conscious that's been hijacked by metaphysical beings? ...based on revelations spoken to him in his own dreams and meditations, which is pretty much the basis of how just about every founder of religion claims to know the truth. No other "Founder of Religion" matters except the Bible, whose centuries-old prophesies CAN be backed up, along with it's Redeemer and his Gospel. NOTHING compares to the Christian tenets and documentation, Christ's miracles, His character witnesses, His Sermon in the Mount, his End Game in MORE detail than the Plan of the God of Abraham and the Redeemer of sin, and the His Kingdom Don't believe it, fine. Faith, an open mind, spiritual manna, and final destination of your soul is your responsibility - no one elses. When Newton says that all of his clients whom he questioned on the matter say demons do not exist, and he's got recordings and transcripts to back it up, what do you do with that? You either have to accept it or come up with an explanation as to how they all say such a thing when it's not true, and even beyond that, how so many people could say the same thing, even given diverse backgrounds and religious beliefs. So your claiming science and the testimony manipulating a bunch of spiritual guinea pigs exposing their respective conscious to hypnotic trances and demon manipulation means THE SECRET IS EXPOSED!! NO DEATH! NO HELL! KARMA! NO HEAVEN! Hey, if you believe all that "proof" of the ultimate alternative death mulligan, then go ahead. I'll just say the realm of the metaphysical is teeming with unseen power. STRONG power. I have witnessed personally forces and assaults. Conversely, the Armor of God is real in this realm as well. Some of us find ourselves tuned to a certain frequency that transcends the physical on BOTH sides. What makes Newton's perception so unusual is that they are proported to be based on what subjects under hypnosis tell him, and not based on revelations spoken to him in his own dreams and meditations, which is pretty much the basis of how just about every founder of religion claims to know the truth.
#118. To: Liberator (#101)
Told by people who are under hypnosis. That is one thing about Newton that should be respected (assuming he's not fraudulent, of course). The spirit world he portrays is based on what his clients tell him while they are under hypnosis, so he's just the messenger. That is your choice. I choose to be openminded. If not a fraud, then a mere messenger. Perhaps a messenger of lies, but if so, still just a messenger. Not necessarily. Newton admits to not having the full picture. It's possible that the life of Jesus was real and his original message and mission was true. It may yet fit into the picture by Newton. I do, however, agree that the Bible is not completely compatible with the model of the world portrayed by Newton, and therefore the idea of the Bible today is the "infallible Word of God" does not work with Newton. The Bible would need to be downgraded to the status of a collection of historic and virtuous writings that contain a lot of historic truth and good moral character. Those souls who have been associated with evil are taken to special centers which some clients call "intensive care units." Here, I am told, their energy is remodeled to make it whole again.
"Told" by *whom*??
"There is no hell for souls, except perhaps on Earth."
I need not read further.
This guy is a Deceiver, promoting the Great Lie.
I guess the gist of all this is, is that Jesus Christ and His Salvation is the Lie,
#119. To: James Deffenbach (#116)
I never heard about the Rainbow Bridge until I got involved in Pug Rescue and had to send a sick one over myself. the story about the Rainbow Bridge is true.
"There are only 800,000 state, local, and federal law enforcement officers in the entire country." - Vox Day
#120. To: Liberator (#117)
Yet you claim ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that doesn't fit into your narrow understanding MUST be satanic or demonic. You deny hard evidence of actual physical objects, ignore historical facts, and believe a set of writings of dubious origin for no good reason other than that's what you've had drilled into you since you were an infant. Yeah, you have the "truth" all wrapped up, and KNOW that anything other than what you've been led to believe MUST be a lie. Now can you see why this world has always had misery, strife, and war? All that needs to be done is to say the "enemy" is "godless" or that they are "heretics". Or, just say God Himself ordered you to kill his enemies, since apparently he didn't feel like doing it himself. I'll just say the realm of the metaphysical is teeming with unseen power. STRONG power. I have witnessed personally forces and assaults. Conversely, the Armor of God is real in this realm as well. Some of us find ourselves tuned to a certain frequency that transcends the physical on BOTH sides.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#121. To: Pinguinite (#115)
Why would the metaphysical have any restrictions or "laws"?? You either have to accept it or come up with an explanation as to how they all say such a thing when it's not true, and even beyond that, how so many people could say the same thing, even given diverse backgrounds and religious beliefs. To presume that Satan or his agents, demons are somehow limited in exercising massive mind-control is naive; History has proven over several centuries are the masses are controlled enmasse, like zombies. Evil and epidemic mind-sets of hundreds, thousands, millions have been rife. The power satan wields on the earth is mind-bioboggling. This fact hardly needed convincing or controlled laboratory subjects. When Newton says that all of his clients whom he questioned on the matter say demons do not exist, and he's got recordings and transcripts to back it up, what do you do with that? You either have to accept it or come up with an explanation as to how they all say such a thing when it's not true, and even beyond that, how so many people could say the same thing, even given diverse backgrounds and religious beliefs.
#122. To: Liberator (#121)
Let me ask you this. Do you think those who ordered or performed the horrific medieval torture on men, women, and children were working for the devil, or for God? They ALL claimed to be doing the "work of God", but have you ever read the phrase, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. "? If you use that as a guide as to who is more "holy" or spiritual, and who is under the influence of evil, your eyes may open up. To presume that Satan or his agents, demons are somehow limited in exercising massive mind-control is naive; History has proven over several centuries are the masses are controlled enmasse, like zombies. Evil and epidemic mind-sets of hundreds, thousands, millions have been rife.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#123. To: FormerLurker (#120)
Your neutron bomb of splattered incoherent points address NOTHING in particular. You deny hard evidence of actual physical objects, ignore historical facts, and believe a set of writings of dubious origin for no good reason other than that's what you've had drilled into you since you were an infant. And the "hard evidence of actual physical objects" is WHAT again? "Historical facts" you allude to is WHAT again?? The "belief in a set of writings of dubious origin for no good reason other than that's what you've had drilled into you since you were an infant" I assume is the Bible. YOU say it's "dubious". YOUR "credentials" please? YOUR Bible scholarship" please? The empirical proof and witnessing of the accounts of Jesus Christ FOUR Apostles and countless other historical witnesses is discredited by WHOM?? The Prophecies are discredited by WHOM?? YOUR case is supported in quick sand and deception by a metaphysical world of demons you believe is populated by benevolent karmic being whose deceptive encouragement is: BELIEVE OUR WITNESSES WHO SAY THERE IS NO GOD, NO REDEMPTION, NO SIN. NO HEAVEN. JUST rest assured that the reports from Dr. Newton and his lab-rat Zombies that Spiritual Egalitarianism in the Social Services Office run by a blue ribbon panel including Captain Kirk, Spock, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, is alive and well. So relax - no need to pay attention to this Christian "God". Everything is His fault anyway.
#124. To: Turtle (#119)
I never heard about the Rainbow Bridge until I got involved in Pug Rescue and had to send a sick one over myself. I don't KNOW that it's true--I said that I HOPE it is true. the story about the Rainbow Bridge is true.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken
"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#125. To: Liberator (#102)
This idea is not intuitive to me. As babies grow into children their lucidity grows slowly. So when a child who has heard about God and Jesus on some semi-awareness level dies, does that child go to heaven or hell? Where do you draw the line between innocence and sinful guilt when there is no similar line of comprehension of the truth? Do you have a reasonable and spiritually just answer for this? And the word "chance" jumps out at me in your statement. Is life only about "chances" and opportunity? Does that sound like what God would offer people... "chances"? The world portrayed by Newton is one where all souls have a built in desire to excel to perfection. Free will is king. You do what you want, become what you want, as fast or as slowly as you want. You choose the lives you want, if any at all, and you choose how many you want. The common thread of all souls is the desire to become greater than they are, and disappointment when we fail to do so. No, that's not proof of anything but to me is much more in line with how an awesome God would be. To me the idea of us being given "one chance" seems a very crude thing for an Almighty God to do. There is no Second Chance on earth as a mortal being, nor second chance as one pays penance in some ethereal waiting room like Purgatory or amongst a Council of Angels.
#126. To: FormerLurker (#122)
You have many questions, but provide few answers: THIS is a fallen world. We have free choice. Man's evil deeds and sin are inspired by and facilitated by Satan of course. They ALL claimed to be doing the "work of God", but have you ever read the phrase, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. "? I can claim I'm James T. Kirk. Or Batman. What of Lies? They are their father's fruit, are they not? If you use that as a guide as to who is more "holy" or spiritual, and who is under the influence of evil, your eyes may open up. You are the one whose eyes are blinded and heart hardened and wisdom buried. Do you think those who ordered or performed the horrific medieval torture on men, women, and children were working for the devil, or for God?
#127. To: Liberator (#126) (Edited)
I see the deeds of those who claim to be religious, and of those who claim to be spiritual rather than religious. Look at the history of Europe and the Middle East for examples of pure evil, there is an abundance of it throughout time perpetrated by those who handed down your "scriptures". Then look at the history of places like Tibet where Buddhism is prevalent. I don't recall reading about very many wars led by Buddhist monks or followers of that belief system. Your very own religion had its true origins in Essene teachings, which were erased from the "accepted" teachings shortly after the death of Jesus. The Essenes were hunted down and persecuted by the Romans who later gave you your very own "faith" in the blood cult of modern day Chistianity, which has little if anything to do with what the actual teachings of Jesus most likely were. The Essenes did not eat animal flesh, did not sacrifice animals to God, and did not engage in war. By their fruits ye shall know them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#128. To: James Deffenbach (#116)
That's very nice, thank you. The aforementioned cat that I called "Ootie" (her Christian name given by my then 8 yr old daughter was "Tigger") was a wild kitten with her ribs showing when I snatched her up in a wildlife area and brought her home to my daughter. The cat was starving because she was only big enough to eat grasshoppers (yuk) and my daughter wanted a cat so, I figured we needed each other. She tried to run but the tall grass slowed her down and when I closed my hand around her the kitten sunk her needle sharp fangs to the bone of my finger! But years later that cat would roll in the marsh mud on my chest waders after a morning duck hunt, probably to remind her of the first few weeks of her misspent youth. And she loved to sleep in the bed with me. (After a bath of course) It surprised me that I would love a temperamental half wild cat that was prone to wildings, lightning fast claw and fang attacks if she didn't get her space and respect. (It was ill advised to ever rub her fur the wrong way for instance) And, when the day came to put her to sleep I could not be consoled. I wept so much that I didn't pee for two days. And when I see her picture now I'm overcome with a great sadness. Many people posted sweet comments to me including the story of The Rainbow Bridge. So, I appreciate it from you more than you know my friend. While I don't believe in reincarnation I have always hoped that God made provisions for the animals too. I have had some pets who were very dear to me and it makes me hope that the story about the Rainbow Bridge is true.
#129. To: Pinguinite (#125)
Good questions. The Lord know our hearts; Most children know right and wrong instinctively. They will be judged as only God can. And even if they don't "know" God," He will make allowance. How? Who knows. But we know children have a special place in God's heart. Free will is king. You do what you want, become what you want, as fast or as slowly as you want. You choose the lives you want, if any at all, and you choose how many you want. The common thread of all souls is the desire to become greater than they are, and disappointment when we fail to do so. No, that's not proof of anything but to me is much more in line with how an awesome God would be. To me the idea of us being given "one chance" seems a very crude thing for an Almighty God to do. Again, you pose excellent questions. I supposed God will take into account every heart, every will, and every circumstance and situation on an individual basis. He created ALL of us for a reason. Whereever we are, whatever we do. Some of us are far more fortunate then others. Above all things, He is most merciful. We have all "failed" at being "good" - still He welcomes us to Him after everything is said and done. Sure we can dwell on the pain of and in this world. The injustice. The inequity. Father and Son promise it WILL be worth enduring the pain, the spiritual and emotional battles. And triumphant over the deceptions and lies. Rejecting the illicit pleasures of the flesh. Illicit Riches. Illicit Power. "...And lead us not into temptation, but delivery us from evil...for thine is the Kingdom, Power, and Glory Forever." I'm taking THAT to the bank - NOT the hearsay lab rat demon-possessed shills who say THEIR Karmic story beyond the grave is the real deal. So when a child who has heard about God and Jesus on some semi-awareness level dies, does that child go to heaven or hell? Where do you draw the line between innocence and sinful guilt when there is no similar line of comprehension of the truth? Do you have a reasonable and spiritually just answer for this?
#130. To: Liberator (#123)
Do you know WHO wrote the varous books of the Old Testament? What authority did THEY have to speak for God Himself? If you have done ANY actual research into the New Testament, you'd know that the names of the gospels were pennames, that the actual apostles did NOT write them. If you delve into the history of the NT, you'll see that there have been entire sections added, edited in content, and deleted over time. The ONLY epistle that MIGHT be somewhat authentic in content is Matthew, the rest are medieval forgeries spun out of thin air by those who were busy creating the "legend" of a man god who would and should be worshipped by the multitudes, upon penalty of death if one did not go along with what they were forced to accept. Start by reading the link I provided earlier for some insight if you wish. The "belief in a set of writings of dubious origin for no good reason other than that's what you've had drilled into you since you were an infant" I assume is the Bible. YOU say it's "dubious". YOUR "credentials" please? YOUR Bible scholarship" please?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#131. To: Liberator (#123)
Countless photos, videos, radar tracks, and witness testimony as to the existance of intelligently controlled flying craft that perform beyond anything possible with human technology. These objects AND beings have been seen since man has been on this planet. Look up ancient Sumerian writings, they speak of "gods" from the stars who gave them knowledge of science, mathmatics, and agriculture. There is abundance of cave drawings with images of such "gods", who are shown flying machines similar to what is seen in the skies today. Even the bible speaks of the Nephilim. You should know about it if you're the bible expert you portray yourself as. With the virtually infinite number of stars in this universe that have planets revolving around them, it is extremely closed minded and irrational to think THIS planet is the only planet that has intelligent life. To think otherwise is just plain denial of an extremely probable truth. And the "hard evidence of actual physical objects" is WHAT again?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#132. To: Pinguinite (#125) (Edited)
We are given one life to chose whom we will follow: God or Satan; life or death. John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth as witness this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live. Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
#133. To: Liberator (#123)
You obviously have NO idea of what I believe or what I think. I believe that the TRUE God is more than anything you or any other human being could imagine, and lives in EVERY living thing which exists throughout this Universe and beyond, in the present, past, AND future. Take the origins of this Universe for instance. That which existed prior to the Big Bang is unknowable, beyond comprehension. And that is the realm of God. As far as human souls, we are said to be made in the image of God, not in terms of physical likeness (except for the fact we are either male or female, and there is certainly a duality of nature in any living thing), but in terms of SPIRITUALITY, where our souls are a microcosm of the soul of God. Those souls never die, and may in fact come back in various incarnations in the physical realm in order to experience various events in order to acquire a higher understanding of life. As far as Karma, it could well be true that a person experiences a life of misfortune if they were callous and committed evil deeds in a past life, or if they just didn't learn everything they needed to the first time, they might have an average or successful life, depending on their past nature. Reincarnation is an accepted belief in many religions, including the Essene philosophy most likely taught by the ACTUAL Jesus himself. YOUR case is supported in quick sand and deception by a metaphysical world of demons you believe is populated by benevolent karmic being whose deceptive encouragement is: BELIEVE OUR WITNESSES WHO SAY THERE IS NO GOD, NO REDEMPTION, NO SIN. NO HEAVEN.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#134. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
questions... is everybody reincarnated, does everyone have previous lives? does everybody have multiple previous lives? given the population of the earth now, are there enough souls to go around? ...if seven billion people existing today are multiple reincarnates, that must mean some people are duplicates of each other. in the process of duplication, are duplicates the same strength as the originals, or is a soul's potency diluted as it's duplicated?
#135. To: lead.and.lag (#134)
How infinite is time, what existed before this Universe, how vast IS this Universe? Life is teaming throughout time and space. And that is where souls come from, there is an infinite supply.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#136. To: FormerLurker (#135) (Edited)
that's a relief ...although it seems you have to question whether earth's previous human population is infinite, dont you? if you've lived previous lives, and the soul supply is infinite, that implies that an infinite number of souls were incarnated and lived previously, doesnt it? there is an infinite supply.
#137. To: HOUNDDAWG (#128)
You're most welcome. That was a nice story about your cat and I sympathize with your loss. People who have never deeply loved a pet like a member of their own family don't understand those of us who feel like our heart has been ripped out when something happens to one of them. I don't know how many people I have heard say, well, it was just a (insert dog, cat, bird or whatever pet it was here). There is no such thing as "just a dog, just a cat, or just a bird" to someone who loves their pets. That's very nice, thank you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken
"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#138. To: lead.and.lag, FormerLurker (#136)
Are you familiar with the mathematical concept of a "Bounded Infinity"? I suspect not from your comment. Simply put a bounded infinity is something which extends infinitely from a point of origin - an end point. For example: So, the "|" is the end point and from that end point the line stretches on without bounds - but only in one direction thus it is a bounded infinity. Thus if you take the time of creation of awareness and extend it out it increases along a line of infinite expansion but began at zero. |----------------------------> and on infinitely
#139. To: lead.and.lag (#134)
All I can tell you is what the books say that the clients told him. Read the books and watch the vids, and you will know just as much as I do about this subject. Your questions are answered, though. It's best that the author answer them, and not me.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#140. To: Liberator (#97)
would it be too personal to ask you to elaborate? would you describe this experience as going beyond simple faith? i have difficulty accepting blindly that the Bible is God's word. i am not rejecting it out of hand either. i simply don't know except to say that much of what i have read in the OT strikes me as absurd; and, honestly, i have difficulty with those like King James, for example, who made the decisions on what letters and books should be included/canonized. then, of course, you have to consider the endless translations open to equally endless interpretations. I'm commenting on this subject because I have personal and secondhand experience and knowledge in the subject of the metaphysical, metaphychic phenomena that transcends this physical world.
#141. To: PSUSA2 (#139)
how bout a hint? Your questions are answered, though. It's best that the author answer them, and not me.
#142. To: gengis gandhi (#110)
show me someone who thinks they're in control and aren't likely to be hypnotized, and i'll entrance them and have them handing me their wallet while they thank me. sooooo true...and i find that an immense turn off. lol. sunday sermons and tv evangelists use so much nlp and covert hypnosis its hilarious.
#143. To: lead.and.lag (#136)
if you've lived previous lives, and the soul supply is infinite, that implies that an infinite number of souls were incarnated and lived previously, doesnt it? There is most certainly life beyond this planet, and that includes planets other than our own. In fact, there is more than likely other UNIVERSES beyond ours. That is beyond what we can fathom, but there certainly exists a strong possibiity that is indeed true. Time is infinite, as such, souls exists in infinite time frames, past, present, or future. .although it seems you have to question whether earth's previous human population is infinite, dont you?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#144. To: lead.and.lag (#141) (Edited)
questions... is everybody reincarnated, does everyone have previous lives? There are new and old souls. does everybody have multiple previous lives? No, because some have yet to incarnate. given the population of the earth now, are there enough souls to go around? ...if seven billion people existing today are multiple reincarnates, that must mean some people are duplicates of each other. You forget about life on other planets. It's a big universe. He goes into that. in the process of duplication, are duplicates the same strength as the originals, or is a soul's potency diluted as it's duplicated? Some energy is left behind. Souls can split. Those are his answers, not mine, and if you really are interested in the subject beyond mere curiosity then read the books, especially the first one, and watch the vids, because my answers lack detail. how bout a hint?
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#145. To: FormerLurker (#143) (Edited)
there is more than likely other UNIVERSES beyond ours so what? it could be that it's all true... but there's no evidence, so we have to take all this stuff with a grain of salt, dont we? meanwhile, it makes no difference unless you can catch a wormhole to another universe when you get fed up with this one. also meanwhile, unless some of these people are reporting their lives on different planets, we have to assume an infinite number of them lived on earth. seems unlikely. There is most certainly life beyond this planet
#146. To: lead.and.lag (#145)
We all get to find out how things work when we die. Nobody that I've heard of remembers it though.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#147. To: PSUSA2 (#144)
i'm not really that interested, because i dont know what difference it makes. not to mention the fact that i'm running out of time, this time around. maybe next time, huh? you really are interested in the subject beyond mere curiosity then read the books, especially the first one, and watch the vids
#148. To: lead.and.lag (#147) (Edited)
It might not make a real difference, other than the fact that none of this is based on fear, and control of other people, unlike other religions. It's based on love and self-control, or rather learning about these things and putting them into practice. It makes a difference for me, because I want to know. I don't know that it's true, but imo it fits. To know it to be true, I'd need to be regressed like his other clients. i'm not really that interested, because i dont know what difference it makes.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#149. To: PSUSA2 (#148)
Something an insane bigot like you knows nothing about. "It's based on love and self-control..."
#150. To: All (#147)
two of us had lamas on a frost control contract in fresno, sat in a holiday inn for six weeks or so, didnt turn a blade. i didnt see the other guy much even though he was in the next room... he said, "yeah, i been watching those tv reachers, but i had to turn them off when they started making sense."
#151. To: Liberator (#117)
Okay, but that would imply that all of Newton's clients are basically possessed by these demons. Seems just about everybody then must be possessed or only those who are possessed would become a client of Newton's. And all the hypnotherapists he's trained, by the way. Not likely by my thinking. Most faiths have documentation, tenants, witnesses and moral teachings. Miracles on earth are not only possible but happen according to Newton. I'm not being confrontational. I *WANT* to know the truth about these things. That's been my favorite prayer in recent years, just to understand what the truth is, no matter what it is, however good or bad. And if I see the intellectual merits of what Newton says, am I damned forever simply for doing so? Is it preferable for me to turn away from what I believe must be true and instead embrace a less harmoneous theology that I think *might* be true out of fear of eternal damnation? Would God be more pleased with me for not following my true conscience that way? That in itself is contrary to the Christianity I know. I thought we were supposed to be honest. If only one person under hypnosis was giving this whole story, I'd take it with a grain of salt. However, when hundreds and thousands of people of all pursuasions all say the same thing while under, *then* yes, I do think it's something to pay attention to and find an explanation for. A rational one, of course. Would you care to share these things with us? I say POSSESSION. DECEPTION.
NOTHING compares to the Christian tenets and documentation, Christ's miracles, His character witnesses, His Sermon in the Mount, his End Game in MORE detail than the Plan of the God of Abraham and the Redeemer of sin, and the His Kingdom
Don't believe it, fine. Faith, an open mind, spiritual manna, and final destination of your soul is your responsibility - no one elses.
So your claiming science and the testimony manipulating a bunch of spiritual guinea pigs exposing their respective conscious to hypnotic trances and demon manipulation means THE SECRET IS EXPOSED!! NO DEATH! NO HELL! KARMA! NO HEAVEN!
I have witnessed personally forces and assaults.
#152. To: Liberator (#129)
Well, that's not really an answer. I know that's the Christian answer but to just basically say that "God is wise and he'll figure it out" is pretty much the same answer one could give for any challenge to Christianity where things get a bit muddled, and that's precisely my point. Because the information that Newton provides does, in fact, give a very clean answer to questions like what happens children when they die and why it isn't the least bit unfair (spiritually) for them to do so. Ditto for people who are born crippled for life, blind or any other sickness you can come up with. I supposed God will take into account every heart, every will, and every circumstance and situation on an individual basis. He created ALL of us for a reason. Whereever we are, whatever we do. Some of us are far more fortunate then others. Above all things, He is most merciful. We have all "failed" at being "good" - still He welcomes us to Him after everything is said and done.
#153. To: FormerLurker (#131)
Newton reports that there is not only life but intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. With the virtually infinite number of stars in this universe that have planets revolving around them, it is extremely closed minded and irrational to think THIS planet is the only planet that has intelligent life.
#154. To: Brian D (#132)
Those are the verses. But how do we know they are divine truth? Maybe the Bible is only a collection of really good writings? Accepting the Bible as the Word of God is something done on faith alone. The disciple Thomas didn't believe Jesus rose again until he could put his fingers through the holes in his hands and feet. Was that true or was story that story added to the gospel to get people to believe without actually seeing? Why do you believe the Bible is unerring? On what basis do you do so?
#155. To: lead.and.lag (#134)
As per Newton's take... no. Our souls do have a birth. Souls are born on a continuing basis, so there is a first incarnation of life for souls. As per above, no. Everyone has a first life, so this life for you could be your first. No. As per above souls are being born continuously though there's no indication at what rate that's happening. Souls eventually stop incarnating and move forward / upward, closer to "the Source". To what end, Newton says he does not know, but he speculates that it may be for eventual merging back with the "Source", which is not unlike the final destiny as per Christianity. is everybody reincarnated, does everyone have previous lives?
does everybody have multiple previous lives?
given the population of the earth now, are there enough souls to go around? ...if seven billion people existing today are multiple reincarnates, that must mean some people are duplicates of each other.
#156. To: PSUSA2, lead.and.lag (#139)
Read the books and watch the vids, and you will know just as much as I do about this subject. Your questions are answered, though. It's best that the author answer them, and not me. I guess I felt differently! But if you are interested in the subject get the books and read them. I'll definitely second that. At least the first book. Your questions are answered better than you'd expect. And yes, this info is only what Newton says his clients told him. Treat it as you will. All I can tell you is what the books say that the clients told him.
#157. To: Pinguinite (#155) (Edited)
okay, that's good... not everybody is a reincarnation, so that explains the mathematics. are reincarnated souls superior to souls that are not reicarnations? and why are you inclined to believe hypnotists who have no more evidence than, say, christians, muslims, or jews do? and what's the difference, anyhow, seeing as how the hindus in india, who believe in reincarnation, seem to be in as bad a mess as the rest of us? Souls are born on a continuing basis
#158. To: lead.and.lag (#157)
In terms of development, almost always the answer is no, as it is largely the experience of incarnations that advances soul development. Because in the case of Newton, he bases his information on the collective "testimony" if you will, of his clients. His information not first hand but second hand from many people who all give matching accounts. Major religions, on the other hand, don't have info anywhere close to second hand. Instead the info has been passed down through countless generations which opens the door to mutation and manipulated theology. The quality of life has no relation to correct theology. According to Newton, we chose the lives we are living now. Our life assignments are not in the least random. Souls will volunteer for hard lives in order to grow themselves spiritually, perhaps to address some shortcoming they have. For example a soul that has a problem with vanity and may well choose a life destined to be a beggar to learn a bit of humility. Another soul that is under confident may choose a life that puts him/her in a position of authority. It matters little what theology that life embraces, whether it's Christan, Muslim, Hindu, Athiest or whatever. What's important is how that soul works the life in question in terms of being a positive force in the lives of him/herself, and others. are unreincarnated souls superior to souls that are not reicarnations?
and why are you inclined to believe hypnotists who have no more evidence than, say, christians, muslims, or jews do?
and what's the difference, anyhow, seeing as how the hindus in india, who believe in reincarnation, seem to be in as bad a mess as the rest of us?
#159. To: Pinguinite (#158) (Edited)
okay... people who have no memory (under hypnosis) of past lives are inferior... that's nice and straightforward. newton's "collective testimony" cuts about as much ice as testimony from chemtrail fans, or people who've been abducted by aliens, or people who suffer from morgellons disease... there are apparently millions of those kinds of people. we choose our lives? ...if, by the time we've been incarnated, we cant remember making that choice, what's the difference? ...we're stuck, no matter what, arent we? and one more question: will everyone living now return to the soul pool for recycling, or what? because the implications of that are kinda unsettling... for instance, if everybody goes back in the pool, and if we dont discover a replacement for fossil fuels, there's gonna be a a dieoff... billions of lost souls, wandering the cosmos, crying, "where's my body? ...where's my body?"
#160. To: Pinguinite (#158) (Edited)
it just looks like another scheme to control people by appealing to their fear of death. but reincarnation has a kind of interesting wrinkle... you gotta behave yourself or you'll come back as a toilet scrubber at texas stadium, or maybe a ship breaker in india. i gotta say, if karma is any guide, most reincarnated americans will wind up making a living by dumpster diving. . anyhow, it's always the same old thing... if you find a story that appeals to you, go for it, stick with it... somebody, somewhere, might even turn out to be right, which would improve humanity's chances of survival. meahwhile, my personal solution is to believe that there are things we cant know and cant understand, and i seem to be content with that.
#161. To: James Deffenbach (#137)
My animal companions loved me unconditionally once I understood their needs and quirks. My one parakeet Marty was the most stubborn and resistant to finger training, but after about 5 years he surrendered. He'd then help me train the new birds and even peck them if they didn't go along with the program. I made the mistake of allowing Marty out of his cage without clipping his wings and when someone knocked on the door it startled him. He flew into a wall and died from internal injuries. There is no such thing as "just a dog, just a cat, or just a bird" to someone who loves their pets.
#162. To: Pinguinite (#156)
I'm not sure what you meant by that or who you were addressing. But if it was because I didn't want to answer the questions, it's because if one is curious enough to ask the questions then they can go to the source for themselves to get the answers. Spoonfeeding answers is always counterproductive. Why do all that work for someone that will probably do nothing with it? If they can't be bothered to get their own answers, then I see no reason to expend any effort for them. Also my answers might be a little inaccurate which leads to misunderstandings / errors, which always seem to multiply. I guess I felt differently!
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#163. To: lead.and.lag (#159)
But not from various backgrounds who describe very similar things while under hypnosis. Maybe. But so what? Generally yes, but it's not a "pool" per se. As mentioned, some will "graduate" in a sense and no longer incarnate. Others may simply choose not to incarnate for a while. Perhaps never again. Nothing is ever forced. Time works differently there. If earth died tomorrow, Another world would be chosen to replace it and things would go on. newton's "collective testimony" cuts about as much ice as testimony from chemtrail fans, or people who've been abducted by aliens, or people who suffer from morgellons disease... there are apparently millions of those kinds of people.
we choose our lives? ...if, by the time we've been incarnated, we cant remember making that choice, what's the difference? ...we're stuck, no matter what, arent we?
and one more question: will everyone living now return to the soul pool for recycling, or what?
because the implications of that are kinda unsettling... for instance, if everybody goes back in the pool, and if we dont discover a replacement for fossil fuels, there's gonna be a a dieoff... billions of lost souls, wandering the cosmos, crying, "where's my body? ...where's my body?"
#164. To: lead.and.lag (#160)
On the other hand, if it's an accurate picture of reality, then what it looks like is immaterial. It's not meant to look like anything other than what it is. Well, If your goal is to find a model of life that makes everything super easy, you can do so, I'm sure. That won't make it true though. And this is bad because...??? hehe Then good for you. it just looks like another scheme to control people by appealing to their fear of death.
but reincarnation has a kind of interesting wrinkle... you gotta behave yourself or you'll come back as a toilet scrubber at texas stadium, or maybe a ship breaker in india.
i gotta say, if karma is any guide, most reincarnated americans will wind up making a living by dumpster diving.
anyhow, it's always the same old thing... if you find a story that appeals to you, go for it, stick with it... somebody, somewhere, might even turn out to be right, which would improve humanity's chances of survival.
meahwhile, my personal solution is to believe that there are things we cant know and cant understand, and i seem to be content with that.
#165. To: PSUSA2 (#162)
Yes that's what I meant. Valid thinking. But there's no way we'd come close to sharing the whole of both books on the thread. Those who are really curious *will* read the book and/or get more info on their own, and if anyone is curious about the books but is too lazy to do so then it's their own loss and I won't worry about it. Sure, but that's the nature of things anyway. So I'll sign on to that disclaimer as well. But if it was because I didn't want to answer the questions, it's because if one is curious enough to ask the questions then they can go to the source for themselves to get the answers. Spoonfeeding answers is always counterproductive. Why do all that work for someone that will probably do nothing with it? If they can't be bothered to get their own answers, then I see no reason to expend any effort for them.
Also my answers might be a little inaccurate which leads to misunderstandings / errors, which always seem to multiply.
#166. To: HOUNDDAWG (#161)
I am so sorry for the loss of your bird. We had a couple of parakeets one time that were mates. Anyone who tells you that birds don't have feelings is just ignorant. When the little male died the female just about died from grief and she would sit on top of the cage or curtain rod just waiting for someone to open the door so she could fly out. I know she wanted to get out and look for her mate. It was very sad.
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#167. To: Pinguinite (#164) (Edited)
that kinda violates karmic laws, doesnt it? ...and how then would americans be punished for their piggishness if they choose to come back as, say, emperor of china?...assuming for the sake of argument that in an infinite number of universes, worlds and lives to choose from, there'd be an infinite number of openings for emperor of china? IF... are you saying you're convinced? If your goal is to find a model of life that makes everything super easy, you can do so, I'm sure
if it's an accurate picture of reality, then what it looks like is immaterial. It's not meant to look like anything other than what it is.
#168. To: Pinguinite (#164) (Edited)
i hate to keep asking these dumb questions, but maybe it's my crumby karma... so here goes... some things that need clarification... is it safe to assume that people on earth now who are starving to death, or are being bombed with white phosphorous or napalm, or blown to bits by cluster bombs or drones.... all those people must be new souls that havent been reincarnated... ...because nobody in their right mind, in the choosing stage of reincarnation, would choose to starve or die of horrible wounds, would they? and i guess, given the fact that almost all the people starving and being blown to bits are colored, then whatever force is spawning these new souls is putting them into colored bodies. why is that, do you suppose?
#169. To: lead.and.lag, Liberator, PSUSA2 (#167)
My meaning is that you could do it, but that doesn't mean you'd come up with an accurate model. You can also believe the world is flat, and I won't stop you from doing so, but that doesn't mean the world would be flat. Be wrong if that's what you choose to do. It's not about punishment. Never is it about punishment. That's a carryover from typical religious thinking. It's about choosing a life that challenges you in areas where you are weak so you can become a better person. Though some souls, typically younger souls, will just choose easy fun lives as they may have little motivation to grow. They are permitted to "play" for a while just as 2-3 year olds are allowed to, and not put into first grade until age 5 or so. Also some can be tired of a series of hard lives and want a little vacation. Again this is all according to what Newton has had reported from his clients. As for having an infinite choices as per string theory's 10 dimensions of everything, that doesn't seem to be the case when it comes to choices. Newton reports that a few lives, 2 or 3 maybe, are selected as recommended options for a particular soul, which usually is what's chosen. But nothing is ever forced. The selection is in every case made ultimately by the soul in question, including a rejection of all options. That is why life is always fair, in spiritual terms, no matter what hardships a person may face, including a young death, or a life of crippling disease, such as with Steven Hawkings. The spirit world has a definite structure and order to it, Newton says, with places, guides, "elders", and teachers participating in all that goes on. The stereotype of everyone floating around on clouds playing harps is nonsense. The reason I'm able to consider Newton's portrayal of the spirit world is because I have an open mind, and because of that, I am still open to the possibility that Newton is a fraud, or that there is another explanation for his reports. But it's like this.... if you've been struggling to solve a bunch of math problems for 6 months, and then some guy walks in the door and provides solutions to them all in 5 minutes, then you are pretty much inclined to conclude that he really knows math better than you do. I'll echo PSUSA's 2 words on this thread about Newton's portrayal: "It fits". For me, this portrayal of things makes everything else fall into place. Things I've seen and experienced in my life, things I've been puzzled about for a very long time, and things I feel in my heart. Everything. It fits. So while others may not see this as a big deal, I do. Liberator here apparently has alternate experiences that persuade him to believe the Christian model. I respect that and will continue to have an open mind with more information. If your goal is to find a model of life that makes everything super easy, you can do so, I'm sure
that kinda violates karmic laws, doesnt it?
...and how then would americans be punished for their piggishness if they choose to come back as, say, emperor of china?...assuming for the sake of argument that in an infinite number of universes, worlds and lives to choose from, there'd be an infinite number of openings for emperor of china?
IF... are you saying you're convinced?
#170. To: lead.and.lag (#168)
If you are genuinely curious, you really ought to read at least the first book. It's not boring. Wrong. Yes they would. I sense a loaded question. Read the book. i hate to keep asking these dumb questions, but maybe it's my crumby karma... so here goes... some things that need clarification...
is it safe to assume that people on earth now who are starving to death, or are being bombed with white phosphorous or napalm, or blown to bits by cluster bombs or drones.... all those people must be new souls that havent been reincarnated...
...because nobody in their right mind, in the choosing stage of reincarnation, would choose to starve or die of horrible wounds, would they?
and i guess, given the fact that almost all the people starving and being blown to bits are colored, then whatever force is spawning these new souls is putting them into colored bodies.
why is that, do you suppose?
#171. To: Pinguinite (#169) (Edited)
it would fit for me, too, if i was a racial supremacist that figured i could get away with murdering millions or billions of people, and needed some kind of "spiritual" mumbo-jumbo to justify my actions. i got to say that it's hard for me to believe that any same person, dead or alive, would choose to starve to death, or be bombed or napalmed. "It fits". For me, this portrayal of things makes everything else fall into place. Things I've seen and experienced in my life, things I've been puzzled about for a very long time, and things I feel in my heart. Everything. It fits. So while others may not see this as a big deal, I do.
#172. To: lead.and.lag (#171)
I have no idea why you'd think this. it would fit for me, too, if i was a racial supremacist that figured i could get away with murdering millions or billions of people, and needed some kind of "spiritual" mumbo-jumbo to justify my actions.
#173. To: Pinguinite (#172) (Edited)
the logic dictates that the new souls --the ones that have yet to be incarnated- - have no choice... the good choices would be taken up by people who have been carnated, and are in the process of being reincarnated... you say they have a choice. no sane person would choose to starve to death or be bombed to death, so that means that the people who are being starved and bombed had no choice. since it's non-whites, mostly, who are being starved and bombed, then they must be the new souls who had no choice of what kind of life they'd live. I have no idea why you'd think this
#174. To: Pinguinite (#172)
you also say that the new souls --the ones yet to be incarnated-- are inferior to the reincarnated souls, and you also say that they have no choice of lives to be incarnated into. since it's non-whites who are doing the most suffering, we have to assume that they had no choice. or maybe it's simply that they dont have souls... they're just props, cannon fodder, for the reincarnated elite. the whole proposition has some nasty implications.
#175. To: Pinguinite (#172) (Edited)
this scheme seems to be the ultimate "blame the victim" caper. we can kill millions or billions of people, because that's the life and death those people chose. i spose if i strangled my neighbor in his sleep, i'd be innocent, because it was, after all, his fault... he chose to live and die like that. doesnt work... and if you guys are unable to explain this stuff, then that's your fault... you must have chosen that disability when the incarnations were being passed out.
#176. To: Pinguinite (#169)
This is going nowhere, imo. If people would take the same amount of time to actually read the source as they do asking people that only read the source and didn't write it, they might understand things a little better. This is precisely what christians do to their bible. They depend on others to tell them what it says, and means. I can't speak for the author, or the clients. To do so is to write another book. THe same questions people are asking here are answered there. THen, if they don't agree what his clients told him, then obviously they are free to disregard the whole thing. I faced the same thing when I showed the entire concept of "eternal torture in hell" was crap. Those that wanted to argue always, and I mean always, tried to come up with the most extreme cases in order to try and disprove it, like the usual Hitler and Stalin, etc. as if their little version of hell was populated with only the worst of the worst, and not someones grandma or dad. They never would argue scriptures.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#177. To: lead.and.lag (#174)
You used the term "inferior". I did not. And I never said new souls have no choice of life. you also say that the new souls --the ones yet to be incarnated-- are inferior to the reincarnated souls, and you also say that they have no choice of lives to be incarnated into.
#178. To: lead.and.lag (#175)
Read the book. Read the book. i spose if i strangled my neighbor in his sleep, i'd be innocent, because it was, after all, his fault... he chose to live and die like that.
doesnt work... and if you guys are unable to explain this stuff, then that's your fault... you must have chosen that disability when the incarnations were being passed out.
#179. To: PSUSA2 (#176)
I don't mind spreading some info around and answering questions as best I can for those who are genuinely curious, but you're right. If they are genuinely curious, then they'll pursue this on their own. I'm about tapped out on the subject for now as I really have to turn my attention to more mundane subjects, like making a living. I'll give you one final thanks for tipping me off to this. Cheers... This is going nowhere, imo.
#180. To: PSUSA2 (#176) (Edited)
it's going somewhere you dont want it to go, that''s all... this newton guy could be right, but there's no more proof of his rightness than there's proof of any number of other religions. now then, if i wake up dead tomorrow in a furnace, i'll know that the people that believe in hell were right. i i wake up dead, standing in line for a new incarnation, i'll know newton was right. in the meantime, seeing as how this particular philosphy seems to be a copout of the worst "blame the victim" sort, i'm gonna regard it as a potential tool that could be used to justify more atrocities in the name of "spirituality"... and of course we have to consider the possibility that i'm a spritual pygmy. i'm content to leave it at that. This is going nowhere, imo
#181. To: lead.and.lag (#180)
Not hardly. I base nothing on how anyone sees me, agrees or disagrees with me, etc. It means nothing. To do that means that I value their judgment over my own judgment. I have no "agenda" and look for no converts. Anyone that disagrees has that right. But if you have objections, since those that aren't interested wouldn't even bother replying, doesn't it make sense to find out if those objections are valid, since you are probably bothered by this topic enough to argue with, and accuse, people that have no beef with you. What you failed to realize is that the questions you asked that you think are valid and disprove reincarnation are answered rather plainly at the source, the books, and the testimony of his clients. It is his clients that you object to. it's going somewhere you dont want it to go, that''s all...
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#182. To: PSUSA2 (#181) (Edited)
so far as i can tell, i havent disproved anything... and newton, you or Pinguinite havent proved anything, either. so it's the same old mexican standoff that you always wind up with, in these religious arguments... i should know better than to chime in, but boredom got the best of me. i am surprised, though, that two of the supposedly most rational posters fell in love with this newton guy in a matter of hours... ...and by your descriptions of his books, it looks to me that newton's theory would be useful to people who wanted an excuse to kill billions of people... "yeah, we nuked a billion people, but it's their fault cause they chose that life." the questions you asked that you think are valid and disprove reincarnation are answered rather plainly at the source, the books...
#183. To: lead.and.lag (#182) (Edited)
To each, his own, Lag. So because a supposed fact of life could be construed many ways includes some that are bad, the fact itself must be untrue. That's not logic I can subscribe to. so it's the same old mexican standoff that you always wind up with, in these religious arguments... i should know better than to chime in, but boredom got the best of me.
i am surprised, though, that two of the supposedly most rational posters fell in love with this newton guy in a matter of hours...
...and by your descriptions of his books, it looks to me that newton's theory would be useful to people who wanted an excuse to kill billions of people...
#184. To: Pinguinite (#183) (Edited)
i didnt say it was untrue... maybe this guy discoverd a big secret, but he's got to provide more proof than interviews with hypnosis victims... i mean, you gotta be a little loosely wrapped to submit to hypnosis in the first place, dont you? ...and i got to admit that newton's theory is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to excuses to kill billions of people ...all we got to do is scale up the mayhem a little... the same old excuses should work just fine. So because a supposed fact of life could be construed many ways includes some that are bad, the fact itself must be untrue.
#185. To: lead.and.lag (#182)
I don't recall ever claiming that I proved anything. None of this is "proof". You will never get any satisfactory proof, of this or any other concept of life after death. Not in life, anyway. But I'm done with this. It will be the first thread I started that I put on ignore. It ran it's course long ago anyway. so far as i can tell, i havent disproved anything... and newton, you or Pinguinite havent proved anything, either.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#186. To: lead.and.lag (#184)
Newton doesn't have to provide proof of anything. All he's done is report what his clients have told him while under, and he certainly didn't have to do even that. Now you admitted that you inquired of us because you were bored. If you were bored and not curious, then you should have found something more interesting to do, because I'm only interested in talking to people who are curious. i didnt say it was untrue... maybe this guy discoverd a big secret, but he's got to provide more proof than interviews with hypnosis victims...
#187. To: Pinguinite (#186)
my point being, some things have no proof... you guys are looking for answers, and it looks to me like you're grasping at straws in an effort to come up with answers. maybe sometimes there arent any answers... nothing wrong with that. meanwhile, given the evident impotency of reincarnation when it comes to preserving our life support system, and the utter destructiveness of the abrahamic monotheism, it seems like we'd be looking for answers that took care of the earth. the kicker seems to be: once you're in the meat pipeline, you'll be reincarnated whether you believe in reincarnation or not, assuming for the sake of argument that reincarnation is the real deal.
#188. To: lead.and.lag, Pinguinite (#187)
What you actually saying, putting your comment in the context of your argument, is that some things have no physical or material proof. That is an entirely different category. Because something does not have direct proof in the physical universe of matter, energy, space, and time does not disprove its existence. A single thought by an individual has no such proof and yet it is one of the most real factors of existence. Beauty has no objective measure and yet each of us holds a standard of beauty which is not physical in form. The fundamental problem with materialism as a philosophy is that is false and is easily proven so. In fact the simple consideration of it as a concept disproves it. What your argument boils down to, in essence, is, "I have made a volitional choice based upon my personal beliefs to reject this as a possibility". That also has no material existence. The question, as to past lives, really boils down to, "What is this creature we call 'man'?" Is "man" purely a sack of meat controlled by chemical interactions, or is "man" more than that. Was Bergson correct when he postulated the undefined but observable reality that "man" is imbued with life and is sentient. That is that "man" contains within some factor which Bergson dubbed "Le Force Vitale" or "Life Force"? Does "man" have a soul or is "man" a soul that has a body? my point being, some things have no proof...
#189. To: Pinguinite (#66)
Good luck with your theory.
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