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Title: For those interested in reincarnation and what happens between lives
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Post Date: 2011-12-21 12:19:02 by PSUSA2
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Here are a couple of books written by a regression hypnotist that stumbled onto this topic. It goes well beyond the standard past life regressions. If you want to know why people are the way they are, and why life is so difficult, and what happens after death, this is a possible answer that goes well beyond the "you must have FAITH, my child!" nonsense. To me, this has the "ring of truth", based on what I already see and know, but your mileage may vary. This remarkable book uncovers--for the first time--the mystery of life in the spirit world after death on earth. Dr. Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist in private practice, has developed his own hypnosis technique to reach his subjects' hidden memories of the hereafter. The resulting narrative acts as a progressive "travel log" of the accounts of twenty-nine people who were placed in a state of superconsciousness. While in deep hypnosis, these subjects movingly describe what has happened to them between their former reincarnations on earth. They reveal graphic details about how it feels to die, who meets us right after death, what the spirit world is really like, where we go and what we do as souls, and why we choose to come back in certain bodies. www.megaupload.com/?d=VXXOFIL1 Michael Newton is one of a handful of published researchers who is adding to our knowledge of life between lives through the use of hypnosis. In coming decades, this kind of research should build and expand until we have a detailed understanding of life on the higher dimensions. In this book he continues his years of investigations, taking us further into an understanding of the soul's journey in and out of incarnation. Some topics covered in this book are (1) The various ways recently deceased souls try to make contact with those left behind, (2) How our spiritual energy is restored after a difficult incarnation or traumatic death, (3) How our between-life vocations can manifest in our earthly careers, (4) More on colors as indications of levels of attainment, (5) Spiritual names, (6) Much more on our soul groups, and how we interact between and during incarnations, (7) The "Council of Elders", a review panel of higher beings who help us gain insight on our lives just after we complete one, and just before we begin a new one, (8)How souls are "born" from higher levels into the level we spend time in between lives, (9) Extensive case studies of the "library" of past lives which souls study in between lifetimes. With Newton's work and those of similar investigators we are finally gaining an understanding of life in higher dimensions based on research and first-hand reports, rather than speculation and belief. Other than Newton's work, two other good books along this line are out of print, but generally not hard to find. One is LIFE BETWEEN LIVES (1986) by Whitton and Fisher. That book also follows the case-study approach. A second book is EXPLORING REINCARNATION (1987) by Hans Tendam. This book is a rigorous summary of the whole subject of past lives, life between lives, and the reliability of hypnosis as a tool of investigation. It's not a light read, but is the most in depth and thorough book on the subject to date, and essential reading for anyone who wishes to become well informed about it. If you want them, I suggest reading them in order. The 2nd book builds on the first book.
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#37. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#27)
I do agree with that, and have said before that from Gods perspective death may be the birth of a soul. If we carry that analogy forward, babies dont return to the womb ever. Why would a soul return to a body?but on the other side death isn't looked upon as bad.
Birth is not fun for a baby, probably terrifying, but we celebrate it.
Might death be seen the same way by God?
Once born into Gods presence, nothing more is needed.
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#38. To: Armadillo (#22)
Well, I am certainly not an expert on this. I'm stumbling thru life like everyone else. All I can do is give some of the info that the books give, and these are all taken from the authors case histories, and to me they do make sense. What they say, and I already agreed with even before reading these books, is that we learn more, we advance more, thru trials. Going thru these trials, that I then learned that we choose for ourselves before incarnating, make us stronger. I know, going thru this is not easy. Some have it worse than others, but knowing that does not make the situation any easier while WE are fumbling our way thru our own shitstorms. I dont buy that. If reincarnation were real it would have to be involuntary. If you don't but that, that's fine. But, it is all voluntary, from what I read, and to me what I read does make sense. Earth is known as a hardship post, for which we volunteer. And I too have thought many times, because reincarnation is not a new idea to me, is "WTF did I get myself into! What was I thinking when I decided to come here?!!?" Reincarnation raises some difficult questions. If our souls choose who we come back as, why would any choose to come back as a 14-year-olds baby drowned in a toilet at birth? Or anyone with a sad life?
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#39. To: PSUSA2 (#38)
you know what? it's the starlings and blackbirds, again... i'd rather watch them and marvel, rather than explain them. I'm stumbling thru life
#40. To: lead.and.lag (#39)
Yeah, balance is not easy to maintain. I seem to appreciate explanations more than just marveling.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#41. To: PSUSA2 (#40)
well, you cant know everything. can you? I seem to appreciate explanations more
#42. To: PSUSA2 (#40)
you got to take a little comfort from humans' limitations, dont you? not only comfort, but (i hate to use this word) joy. what could be more joyful than the starlings?
#43. To: PSUSA2 (#40) (Edited)
my dad and i climbed the hill across the road from the house, we could see most of the valley. my dad was a skeptic of most everything, a destroyer, a hypocrite, but we just stood there, looking at... what made us, i guess. we didnt say anything.
#44. To: lead.and.lag (#41)
can you? Not everything. But I despise those that give BS answers. If I didn't, I wouldn't be so anti-authoritarian and cut myself off from the herd mentality as much as I have. Hell, I'd be a useless republican millionaire chickenhawk that goes to a megachurch. Consider 2 paths; the right hand and left hand paths. The LHP is where satanism gets placed, and the RHP is where things like christianity and wicca get placed. A motto for the LHP is "I want to know". A motto for the RHP is 'I want to be known". The LHP is where it's at. But it is lonely at times. The RHP has it where fellowship is concerned. well, you cant know everything.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#45. To: PSUSA2 (#44)
sometimes you should just relax and enjoy the ride.
#46. To: PSUSA2 (#44)
you seem to be someone who's looking for answers. maybe there arent any.
#47. To: All (#46) (Edited)
if there's ever gonna be an answer, it would be justice. justice doesnt explain the starlings, though.
#48. To: Armadillo (#37)
I do think birth to the elemental body the harder than death to the elemental body. Souls return because they have work to do. Consider that the only change a soul can initiate is in the strand of time and not outside of it for outside all is one. If this is the case, souls would desire to return to the body again and again and again in order to evoke the lessons and level of being necessary to get to the final destination beyond the time stream. Perhaps, we cannot remain in that presence/state if we have not mastered our lessons on this plane. Where is the womb of the soul? Is is the same womb as the elemental body? I don't think so. Perhaps death of the elemental body allows the soul to return to the womb. : ) If we carry that analogy forward, babies dont return to the womb ever. Why would a soul return to a body?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#49. To: Armadillo (#37)
An interesting thought indeed. I guess there's an assumption by some that souls are created through conception and/or birth. If that's the case then I could see incarnation being a one-shot deal (though maybe "incarnation" is the wrong word since that implies a fusing of soul and body instead of the creation of a soul). But if souls exist prior to conception/birth, then incarnation is the right word, and in that case, the reasonable question might be, if it can happen once, why not multiple times? Does something change or break once incarnation happens once? Or maybe a "you can't get there from here" type thing. I guess that would be the christian answer. and have said before that from Gods perspective death may be the birth of a soul. Birth is not fun for a baby, probably terrifying, but we celebrate it. Might death be seen the same way by God?
If we carry that analogy forward, babies dont return to the womb ever. Why would a soul return to a body?
#50. To: Pinguinite (#31)
I'm not married but a late friend of mine who did scientific developmental research for the U.S. government, found telepathy communication to be of interest and even suggested trying it on me. He said that some things unspoken of, were better yet told by (telepathic) natural communication. I do believe in that too. I had told him about my dreams of flying into the universe and seeing the planets. He had also had dreams of flying into the universe and it was what compelled him to study electromagnetivity (theory he researched under Michael Farraday) and an interest in magnetic energy of humans such as spontaneous combustion, telekinetic energy and the theory of law of relativity and universal gravitation (theory by Isacc Newton).
#51. To: PSUSA2, farmfriend, octavia, Original_Intent, purplerose, Armadillo, abraxas, FormerLurker (#0)
Found some youtubes of this guy, the author of the books linked above, Michael Newton. Seems very down to earth, objective and credible, in spite of the subject matter. These interviews seem to be a good summary of the first book, at least. If he's for real then... wow.... It changes *everything*, to put it very mildly. I'd like to get some more verification on who and what this guy is.
#52. To: Pinguinite (#51) (Edited)
Thanks for posting those. I will watch them later. He has been doing this for years, and I had no idea this was happening until recently. I knew of past life regression, but this seems to be something new. I found other books the supposedly teach about the afterlife, but they are all (so far) based on religions, and not science. Totally worthless. I'll take the word of a scientist over a theologian, any day. IMO he is honest. That is because he admits it when he makes errors. How rare is that? He lets his clients tell what they know. And, imo the scientific method is so much better than the religious 'faith' of any religion, and not just christianity. Here is where I originally found them. It's a rather eclectic library. www.spiritualgateway.net/...Spiritual%20Communication
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#53. To: PSUSA2 (#52)
IMO he is honest. That is because he admits it when he makes errors. How rare is that? I've heard of this also but not about regression between lives. This guy documents and analyzes information he gets from his cases which apparently paints a very consistent picture of that part of life. While having people under hypnosis give individual accounts of past lives, I'm guessing most of those cases would be difficult to verify with historic information, and there's always the question of whether a subject is simply recalling facts from past studies to fill in an invented story of a past life, so there's significant room for doubt. Yes, most religions are based on abstract beliefs, and people believe them or not based on how well the presented belief system rhymes with their emotions or past indoctrination. This guy, on the other hand, compares first hand "witness" information from many, many sources and what he concludes, though he seems careful to avoid doing even that, is objectively done based on these first-hand witness accounts. ("First hand" being what separates this from just about all evangelism of every religion under the sun). I'm about 230 pages through the first book you linked to. In both that and these interviews he comes off as very credible and objective, letting the subjects speak for themselves and not trying to make them say things that conform to any preconceived ideas he may have. I like how he responds to questions about the after (between) life, not by saying "yes this is how it is" or "no that's wrong" but instead says things like "I have never had a case tell me that notion is true". The objective part of me wants to poke holes in this guys account. Could he be a fraud? If he is he's a very good one. With the degree of consistency in what he's reporting, there should be other hypnotherapists who should be/are able to independently verify what he's saying. It should not be hard to do at all. If this is for real, it's truly the biggest game changer ever for what life is all about. He has been doing this for years, and I had no idea this was happening until recently. I knew of past life regression, but this seems to be something new. I found other books the supposedly teach about the afterlife, but they are all (so far) based on religions, and not science. Totally worthless. I'll take the word of a scientist over a theologian, any day.
#54. To: Pinguinite (#53) (Edited)
Agreed, and where there are possible inconsistencies that he points out, well, he points them out instead of either not telling us or saying the client is mistaken somehow. I personally expect some inconsistencies, since we all have a different POV, even if we experience the same thing(s). If it took me this long to find this author, and I have been looking for answers for decades now without ever hearing of this man, I bet there is more out there that I haven't found yet. Why did it take so long? Hell if I know. It is interesting how this possibly meshes with my admittedly simplistic understanding of Crowley and the Golden Dawn .org, in that they seek communion with their "holy guardian angel" in order to find their "True Will" in life, with that True Will being what we were sent here to do and learn. his guy documents and analyzes information he gets from his cases which apparently paints a very consistent picture of that part of life.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#55. To: Pinguinite (#53)
I have to agree with your assesment and add that for thousands of years this has been a common belief system with some of the worlds largest populations, India and China. From what I've read, the early christian assemblies were also on board with this in Alexandria circa 50 bc to almost 320 ad. It wasn't untill the Roman Catholic church raised it's heavy hand and squashed this out that the majority of the world held this as the truth. Unfortunately, as with most organized faith systems, dogma manages to push aside the real truths and we are left with childrens stories. If this is for real, it's truly the biggest game changer ever for what life is all about.
#56. To: PSUSA2 (#54)
The Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav is excellent. : ) I bet there is more out there that I haven't found yet.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#57. To: abraxas (#56)
Thanks! I'll see if I can find it.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#58. To: PSUSA2, octavia, Original_Intent, Pinguinite, farmfriend, purplerose, Armadillo, abraxas, FormerLurker, lead.and.lag, 2dollarbill (#0)
"Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I shall return there." (Job 1:21) I've long thought that the concept of the Resurrection was a re-marketing of the idea of the soul traversing Creation in different forms. The fine line difference between the two ideas sits on taking responsibility for the existence of one's very soul. In the rebranded version, since Jesus died and rose for us, it's easier to absolve one's self of responsibility for misdeeds and shortcomings. If I take the idea that I'll be back in some form or another as a serious one, it makes me watch my p's and q's a lot more. Even if it's not true, my life and the life of those around me will be better anyway. Great thread. All this talk of love and mercy is highly inappropriate for Christmas, though. : )
#59. To: PSUSA2 (#54)
You and me both. As for why it took so long, the answer would seemingly be because you weren't supposed to find out any sooner than you did. Thanks for starting this thread. Finished the first book. A few of the hypnotic interviews are kindof funny, which I never would have expected. and I have been looking for answers for decades now without ever hearing of this man, I bet there is more out there that I haven't found yet. Why did it take so long? Hell if I know.
#60. To: Pinguinite (#59) (Edited)
Agreed, but that is sure to make me angry, at first. Then I'll eventually laugh about it, because it fits. Humor helps, even if it's at my expense. And, since I see this as being probably true because it already matches what I see, at least I found out about it. But I have to say "probably true", since I thought that about some other things in the past that I don't see as being true anymore. I read that book about as quickly as you did. It was hard to put down. . As for why it took so long, the answer would seemingly be because you weren't supposed to find out any sooner than you did.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#61. To: PSUSA2 (#60)
Finished the second book just now. What I really like is just how everything I've ever experienced, witnessed or considered, whereas it previously just created a lot of confusion, now with this information all falls into place and there is now agreement between all. Some things I've privately *thought* must be true but which I could not explain how, are explained well with Newton's information, so that makes me feel real good. Newton also shows me where I was assuming things which, according to his reports, are not so. Thanks again for posting this thread. Like you, this is something I've been looking for for quite a while. Cheers...
#62. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
Reincarnation? LOLOLOLOL! Do you have any straws left to pull out of your ass?
#63. To: Pinguinite (#61)
You're welcome. And like you, there were things I thought were true but could not really prove any of it; like choosing to come here, to learn and not be coddled, etc. The 2nd book had a lot about colors, which I personally found boring, but it also fleshed out the info in the first book too. So, it looks like I have no real reason to complain about things. It looks like we volunteered for this. That sure does generates some "mixed feelings".
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#64. To: Cornhuskerkid (#62) (Edited)
I never heard it phrased that way before. It must be a Jersey... I mean a Nebraska thing. Boring state, nebraska. The only thing to do is count how many times one crosses the Platte "river". Do you have any straws left to pull out of your ass?
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#65. To: PSUSA2 (#63)
There was certainly a lot there and I'd benefit from a second reading of both books sometime, but I'll have to return to more mundane duties for the moment. Yes more details are in book two. He goes into the one issue which is still a perplexing about causality. Our futures seem largely set in advance, and yet our actions obviously impact other players and we still have free will. Those 3 things don't seem to mix too well to me. Newton gives his best answer on that but in the end he's speculating as much as we would be. Yes, Newton does paint a picture where no one can ever rightly complain about anything that happens to them. I say he "paints" a picture but of course it's simply based on what his clients tell him. Seriously makes me consider changing careers into hypnotherapy. Not too much unlike computer work. Both analytical problem solving and "programming". Or "deprogramming" in this case. I dug around a bit more and there is an institute with Newton's name on it with contacts for such trained people in, it seems, most English speaking countries, at least. The 2nd book had a lot about colors, which I personally found boring, but it also fleshed out the info in the first book too.
So, it looks like I have no real reason to complain about things. It looks like we volunteered for this. That sure does generates some "mixed feelings".
#66. To: Cornhuskerkid (#62)
If you can debunk it, you would have my hearty congrats. But I don't think you can. You're welcome to try. Reincarnation? LOLOLOLOL!
#67. To: Pinguinite (#3)
intriguing questions. i find this topic fascinating too. i have no cognizance of past lives, but i have had friends who have and like the child you cited, they had vivid recollections. If this is true, the ramifications are of course absolutely enormous and blow away the relevancy of so very much of what we think is important in the day to day lives we all get caught up in. Are we inherently immortal, or perhaps connected to or a very part of the universe itself, with our fate tied to it? Are souls immortal or is it possible they/we can still be destroyed? If/when the universe burns out 100 billion years from now, do we go with it or are we more than even that? Do we have a power that is associated with our beings which enable us to actually shape what happens to us?
#68. To: Pinguinite (#13)
like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? it has always perplexed me how parents, especially Christian parents tell their children these myths. it's incongruous with truth and having one's word be trustworthy. besides, i never wanted Santa to get credit for the gifts i lovingly chose for my son! Parents will invent explanations for kids that are too young to understand the complexities of life, and these kids grow up holding these ideas as sound doctrine, and then religion is born.
#69. To: octavia, Original_Intent (#18)
awwwww....i love these stories.
#70. To: Pinguinite (#29)
i can so relate to that. who made the decisions on which books were canonized? mortal men, that's who, some of which had political and self-serving motivations. And then I wonder why the Bible should be accepted as the "Word of God". Some Christians believe the Bible is the "Word of God" because the Bible says it's the "Word of God", but obviously, self-certified authorship isn't valid.
#71. To: christine (#68) (Edited)
It's funny you should mention the fables and stories we are told as we grow in this life. I just had a conversation with a friend about a certain liberal proffesor that I have done work for the last several years. This proffesor (Tom) is very politically active and fancies himself a very aware person. I laugh cause I sum it up this way: When you are two years old or so, you think that covering your eyes makes it so others can't see you, but you grow out of it.... When you are four you still believe in Santa Claus, but when you get older you grow out of it.... When you are in early teens (and sometimes much older) you think wrestling is real, but most of us grow out of it.... Since you were old enough to watch TV you thought the news was real, but at a certain level of maturity a small minority of us grow out of it.... There are many paradigms that we fall prey to but if we have the "eyes to see" and the desire, we become dis-alusioned, but not poor Tom (the proffesor) he still thinks CNN brings him the truth. It really is sad how many people still believe in wrestling.
It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)
#72. To: christine (#67)
You may wish to read at least the first book PSUSA linked to above. He's got excerpts of his interviews with clients while under hypnosis. And it's like, "what the....??" The second book has more detail and goes into even more areas such as the nature of life creation and life on other planets, but you get diminishing returns of info with it over just the first book. According to Newton, the amnesia we have in this life is somewhat by design and grows is strength up until about 5 years old, at which point we are totally distracted by this world, usually. Very shortly after death, once in the spirit world, we then remember everything, including past lives and our several soulmates with whom we regularly go though lives. One of the intriguing things I infer from Newton is that the complexity of our souls is at least on par with the complexity of our physical bodies and brains and probably far, far more so. (That's my inference... Newton never says that explicitly). But souls are not simply a consciousness or perspective, contrary to what I'd always assumed. I never would have dreamed that could be the case, but it's one of the numerous things from his portrayal of the universe that makes my personal giant jigsaw puzzle fit together nicely. i have no cognizance of past lives, but i have had friends who have and like the child you cited, they had vivid recollections.
#73. To: Pinguinite (#72)
monroeinstitute.org has been researching and mapping these territories for decades. robert monroes trilogy, starting with journeys out of the body, and their home courses and courses held at the institute in Va, gateway experience, are all about that.
“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,
#74. To: Pinguinite (#66)
Have you lost your fucking mind?
#75. To: All (#74)
Never mind.
#76. To: PSUSA2 (#64)
Yes, but a 'guy' like 'you' would NEVER run out of new steer to queer, would you?
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