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Title: Ron Paul’s Ascent Won’t Last, or Help His Cause: Ramesh Ponnuru <----Tool
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Published: Dec 21, 2011
Author: Ramesh (POS Tool) Ponnuru
Post Date: 2011-12-21 22:22:05 by christine
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Views: 220
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Representative Ron Paul, a Texas Republican and a candidate for the presidential nomination, doesn’t mind long odds, and doesn’t mind standing alone.

In 2004, the House voted 414-1 for a resolution celebrating the 40th anniversary of the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Paul not only voted no but gave a speech arguing that the act should never have been enacted. Employers who wish to discriminate against blacks, in his view, should be free to do so. A federal government that claims the power to override their decisions, he said, could also impose racial quotas. “Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.”

Most of Paul’s fellow libertarians are excited that he is doing well in the polls in Iowa, and hope that more Americans will be exposed to their political philosophy. But as Paul’s record on civil rights suggests, more familiarity with his brand of libertarianism won’t necessarily lead to much more support -- for him or for his cause.

Libertarianism is a political philosophy based on the minimization of coercion, with government limited fairly strictly to the prevention of force and fraud. Both prostitution and insider trading would be legal in a libertarian society. But libertarians sometimes have fierce internal splits, and not all of them support Paul. Defying Orthodoxy

Most libertarians, for example, were in favor of the recent free-trade pacts approved by Congress. Paul voted against them, as he usually votes against such deals, because he believes that the government should abolish all tariffs unilaterally rather than reduce some of them in deals negotiated with other governments. Similarly, he voted against the House Republican budget earlier this year -- the one that Democrats denounced for “ending Medicare as we know it” -- because it didn’t shrink the federal government enough.

Paul is also more culturally conservative than other libertarians. He opposes abortion, which he considers an infringement of the individual’s right to be free from violence. He has supported the Defense of Marriage Act, and wants to limit the jurisdiction of federal courts so that they can never force state governments to recognize same-sex marriage. On issues such as these, Paul differs with his fellow libertarian Republican Gary Johnson, the former New Mexico governor -- which was one reason socially liberal libertarians were glad Johnson joined the presidential race, to present another side of their philosophy.

Many of them were also dismayed by bigoted newsletters sent out under Paul’s name during the 1990s -- newsletters that Paul has disavowed, claiming that he didn’t review the offensive passages before their release and doesn’t know who wrote them.

Paul’s top issues in this campaign are foreign policy -- he opposes all U.S. military action except in response to attacks - - and monetary policy.

His foreign-policy stance has led him to sympathize with the regimes the U.S. government is most concerned about: In last week’s debate he tried hard to explain what the world looked like from the perspective of Iranian policymakers, and dismissed concerns that they are close to acquiring nuclear capability as “war propaganda.” It has also led him to hostility to Israel. It has led him to oppose, in retrospect, the Civil War, which even his fans worry might not be “a winning position.”

And it has led him, all too often, to conspiracy theory. “The CIA runs everything,” he said in a 2010 speech. “We need to take out the CIA.” He repeated the sentiment on the radio show of the 9/11 “truther,” and all-around conspiracy theorist, Alex Jones. Paul isn’t too fastidious about the company he keeps; he has said that he has “a lot of friends in the John Birch Society.” Nor is he above sending a discreet signal to such theorists that he shares their suspicions, as in his recent comment about the “glee” that the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks caused in the Bush administration. Apocalyptic Views

Paul’s views on money tend toward the apocalyptic. He has an idiosyncratic definition of inflation: Any expansion of the money supply qualifies, even if prices don’t rise as a result. But he has also regularly predicted that rising prices are just around the corner. He warned of “the very real possibility of hyperinflation in the near future” back in 1981, at the start of a three-decade-long trend of falling inflation that shows no sign of stopping.

It is possible that Paul will come in first in a fractured field in the Iowa caucuses: Those caucuses reward intensity of support, which he certainly has. The notion that he will be the Republican nominee is too absurd to spend a moment contemplating.

Somewhat more likely is that he will mount a third-party run in November 2012. But getting on the ballot will be difficult, especially in states that discourage primary-campaign losers from running in general elections. If he were to help the reelection of President Barack Obama by splitting the Republican vote, the party would probably hold it against his son and ally, Rand Paul, who is in his first year as a Republican senator from Kentucky and is widely considered more politically talented than his father. Does the elder Paul want to take that risk?

So over the next few weeks Paul’s ideas will probably get more attention than they have ever received before, or will ever receive again. Most people who examine them will reject them, for good reasons, while giving him credit for sincerity.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

Ron Paul’s Ascent Won’t Last, or Help His Cause

WTF? Is Sam's Club running a special on case-lots of delusions & lies, or what?

Both prostitution and insider trading would be legal in a libertarian society.

Yes, thankfully, the eleventy gazillion laws on the books have eradicated those problems from the world.

Anyhoo... That's about as far into the drivel as my delicate sensibilities would allow me to wade.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)

Esso  posted on  2011-12-21   22:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine, All (#0)

Ron Paul’s Ascent Won’t Last, or Help His Cause: Ramesh Ponnuru <----Tool

When we let this foreign vermin into the country this is the kind of tripe they spew. When they speak it sounds like they have a mouth full of horse dung and when they write it makes only nonsense. This puke ought to keep his mouth shut and get back to work at the massage parlor. He failed at telemarketing!

ambi  posted on  2011-12-21   22:46:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

Please.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-12-21   22:58:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Esso (#1)

WTF? Is Sam's Club running a special on case-lots of delusions & lies, or what?

Nah, the author of this tripe eats three big bowls of Stupid-O's every day and heaping helpings of macamoroni.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2011-12-21   23:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Lod (#3)

The New Republican Primary Rules Make It Possible For The Republican Establishment To Steal The Nomination From A Candidate They Don’t Like

Golly, whod'a thunk it????

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)

Esso  posted on  2011-12-21   23:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#0)

Well, I'll be damned ... an Indian neocon.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-12-21   23:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ambi (#2)

When we let this foreign vermin into the country

While he is definitely a chickenhearted neocon POS (as is everyone at the National Review), he was born and raised in Prairie Village, Kansas and is as American as you are. My guess is that his parents owned some run down, fifth rate fleabag motel.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2011-12-21   23:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Phant2000 (#6)

Well, I'll be damned ... an Indian neocon.

And a Roman Catholic at that, which is unusual. Usually Christian neocons are Talibornagain evangelical fundinuts.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2011-12-21   23:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#8)

Usually Christian neocons are Talibornagain evangelical fundinuts.

Or joos hiding behind the names of evangelical fundinuts.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-12-21   23:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine (#0)

Amid all the hostility about any discouraging word regarding Ron Paul's chances, the simple historical fact is this: Previous Presidential campaigns have always displayed unpredicted results in primaries, and candidates who had been thought to be strong were sometimes whipped at the polls by other candidates who seemed to come out of nowhere. Often a strong starter was out of the race before the end of April.

Instead of getting all upset about up or down predictions and prophecies, wait for the actual primary results.

Shoonra  posted on  2011-12-22   1:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Esso (#5)

The New Republican Primary Rules Make It Possible For The Republican Establishment To Steal The Nomination From A Candidate They Don’t Like

Golly, whod'a thunk it????

Memo to Ron Paul supporters: Request paper ballots. If possible, take cellphone pics of your ballots as evidence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-12-22   2:48:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All (#11)

Pinging memo at #11 to all Ron Paul supporters.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2011-12-22   2:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#0)

The latest development is that Ron Paul's old newsletters are being dredged up for inflammatory and non-pc comments (of which there were many). This may not make much of a difference in Iowa, but it could be significant in other states.

Shoonra  posted on  2011-12-22   13:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Shoonra, christine (#13)

Yes, since he is as honest as the day is long the Establishcrons are frantic to find anything they can to sabotage his campaign and blacken his name. Rats don't like Cats, and criminals do not like honest men. I may not agree with Ron Paul on every hair splitting point but compared to the moral midgets against whom he is competing the decision as to who to support is not ambiguous in the least.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-22   13:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#0)

It is possible that Paul will come in first in a fractured field in the Iowa caucuses: Those caucuses reward intensity of support, which he certainly has. The notion that he will be the Republican nominee is too absurd to spend a moment contemplating.

Translation: "Our world domination objectives are too important to be left to passionate American voters."_signed, An Unidentified Middle Eastern Country

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-12-22   15:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Shoonra (#13)

The latest development is that Ron Paul's old newsletters are being dredged up for inflammatory and non-pc comments (of which there were many). This may not make much of a difference in Iowa, but it could be significant in other states.

You make a good point. Dr. Paul stormed off the set of CNN in anger yesterday when the bubble-headed bleach blond pushed this issue. He is going to have to come up with a better way of dealing with it or else he is going to be marginalized the same way that the media marginalized Pat Buchanan with the anti-Semite BS.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2011-12-22   15:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Shoonra, christine (#13)

The latest development is that Ron Paul's old newsletters are being dredged up for inflammatory and non-pc comments (of which there were many). This may not make much of a difference in Iowa, but it could be significant in other states.

4um: CNN Poll: Ron Paul Most Popular Republican Amongst Non-Whites

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2011-12-22   15:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Shoonra, Original_Intent, James_Deffenbach (#13)

The latest development is that Ron Paul's old newsletters are being dredged up for inflammatory and non-pc comments (of which there were many). This may not make much of a difference in Iowa, but it could be significant in other states.

There is no swing vote any more than there was for George Wallace.

Those who support Paul will vote for him and the rest will vote for the politicians who promise to keep the checks coming. I'd like to believe that Americans will miraculously vote to save our nation, but I've heard too many say, "I don't care what happens after I'm gone, I just want mah check!"

But, Paul's candidacy will be more than a footnote in history. It may in fact be recorded as the catalyst that brought the wormy Zionist world banking system down. Of course the name RON PAUL may have to be recorded on stone tablets by the light of tallow candles along with the name Gavrilo Princip, the 19 yr old Bosnian Serb who literally triggered World War One.

I pity the fool who has to chisel all of that for posterity.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-12-22   15:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#16)

You make a good point. Dr. Paul stormed off the set of CNN in anger yesterday when the bubble-headed bleach blond pushed this issue. He is going to have to come up with a better way of dealing with it or else he is going to be marginalized the same way that the media marginalized Pat Buchanan with the anti-Semite BS.

Paul's advance patrols will now secure agreements that interviewers stick to the issues or no interview.

Paul's stock will not depreciate because of CNN. Everyone knows that it's a network with an agenda and not an unbiased corporate observer with a mission to "report the news without passion or prejudice."

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2011-12-22   15:48:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)

Paul's stock will not depreciate because of CNN. Everyone knows that it's a network with an agenda and not an unbiased corporate observer with a mission to "report the news without passion or prejudice."

We'll see. Hopefully you are right. Still, Dr. Paul and his advisers need to be thinking of a way to deal with the issue in case the two party fraud is able to make the issue go viral.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2011-12-22   16:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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